YTSEJAM Digest 4383 Today's Topics: 1) Kamelot by Chris Livingstone 2) Re: Promos? by "TheCowGod" 3) oial ramblings by BILL HUSTON 4) JLMB Solo and Promos by Dave Ware 5) Re: Ytsejam banner!!! by "TheCowGod" 6) State of DT's music address by Andreas Schaefer 7) Why none of your questions got through, you punk. by Joshua Rasiel 8) Where the hell is the Platypus(a OiaLT question) by email_address_removed 9) Ytsejam Stickers 2.0 by email_address_removed 10) OIAL Promo CD's by "Bush, Andrew" 11) 2 Bootlegs and 1997 DTIFC CD's for Sale by "Kevin Rackley" 12) Re: Myung/Sherinian on OiaL (was Thoughts on OiaL) by Jon Parmet 13) Dream Theater International Fan Club by email_address_removed (Daniel C Russell) 14) Top 20 - Time's running out! by ytse jam 15) Contest's Winners? by "Juan Fco. Quintero" 16) Re: JLMB Solo by "Vincent G. LuPone" 17) Re: OiaL in the UK by "Simon Christie" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:36:23 +0000 From: Chris Livingstone To: Ytsejam Subject: Kamelot Message-ID: <3639C0D7.ED91A7FD@wolfson.co.uk> >>Is Ray Khan from Conception on the newest Kamalot-Siege Perilous? You can hear 3 tracks from this album in real audio format from the noise records webpage, www.noiserecords.com. Khan is in excellent form as ever, and all three tracks are awesome. Chris, -- ---------------------------------------------- _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ Email : chrislivingstone@cableinet.co.uk http://wkweb5.cableinet.co.uk/chrislivingstone ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:45:53 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" To: Subject: Re: Promos? Message-ID: <003401be0413$ffa44d00$message_id_removed> I would guess that it's not really a promo, that maybe they accidentally printed that on all of the CDs, or maybe elektra had leftover promos and shipped em as regular CDs, as in, selling em. The reason i say this is that i have both a promo version and an officialy bought version (advance ordered from cdnow), and the promo version has not only the writing around the Cd, but a big stamp in gold letters on the front cover that says the same thing, "For promotional use only. Sale or other transfer is prohibited. Must be returned on demand of recording company." (BTW promos don't have the hole in the UPC code or the side drilled, just the gold stamp). So if your CD doesn't have the big gold stamp, then i'd guess that normal CDs accidentally got printed with the promo message. Moo. *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:55:03 -0700 From: BILL HUSTON To: email_address_removed Subject: oial ramblings Message-ID: Yup, Got mine from CDNOW as well and it too has promo only on it. Didn't notice this at first. So... where is the rest of the concert? Is Mike planning on another little `surprise'? I'm thinkin' Christmas CD and I'd better send $20 across the pond to get it. Not that I'd ever join a fan club, just want the CD. This thing sounds too perfect to be a live concert. I usually hate live CD's because the sound is too thin, or they don't play it right but this is more than I expected. Until now, I've never REALLY heard TTT. Wow! The video kicks as well. Love the unplugged part-could've done without the chopped up MTV videos. Don't get me wrong-I just hate chopped radio edits of any kind. They wrote the song long for a reason. Not sure what to think of the promo versions CDNOW is palming off. Could it be possible that the band still gets money from this due to a special deal? Mike? Beuhler? Anyone...? Wilmo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:57:28 -0600 From: Dave Ware To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: JLMB Solo and Promos Message-ID: Hey, Stodgers did speak :- >And finally, though I like the idea of "drummer's perspective" mixing, >why did they abandon this for solos? For instance, the JLMB solo isn't >really traded off left to right as it should be. Its almost all on the >center channel. Okay, I'll stop nitpicking and go back to listening... Watching the video it looks as though JP and DS both play the entire "Trade Off" JLMB solo together, I could be wrong and I'm sure I'll be corrected if that's the case. Ok, a question for those of us who appear to have got Promo copies of OIAL, hands up all those that will be sending you promo back to CDNOW with a stiff letter.....thought so - I won't be either. Quick thoughts on 5YIAL, the unplugged stuff is awsome - STM and LSOAD are completely breath taking - I love this stuff so much! And the best quote... "Making history...and you?" Cracks me up, Later, Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:02:19 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" To: Subject: Re: Ytsejam banner!!! Message-ID: <009d01be0416$4b28a8a0$message_id_removed> >exposed on UACM with posibility to vote for 1! :) And the winner will be >used on ALL DT realted sites as link for Ytsejam or other Ytsejam >related links! how are you gonna force everyone to use that image? :) *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:21:22 +0100 From: Andreas Schaefer To: email_address_removed Subject: State of DT's music address Message-ID: Fellow ytsejammers and 'jammerets now that I've got your attention... blablabla... Seriously, there seems to be a strange vibration about this DT band recently. German Rockmagazines are permanently mentioning the probability of Dream Theater breaking up. Especially in every article about one of the projects (LTE/Platypus/Explorer's Club...). Mike "animal" Portnoy: got any comments? On OiaL: Although it's a great live recording, with a very clear yet heavy production, i have one problem with this album: the lack of spontaneity. Sure the soloes are outstanding, but... Maybe I'm a little sensitive about this since I was listening for 2 straight weeks to my old Frank Zappa albums. As you might know, most of his stuff consists of live-recordings and these recordings really deserve the description "live" although sometimes heavy overdubbed. This is no contradiction, since I'm referring to the feelings that are caught within the musical content. Imho the question still is "Does humor belong in music", and I still think the answer is YES => I'd really like to see OFB do more improv. jams. BTW, no sign of the 5yiaL video in Germany yet. Phish's Story of the ghost isn't available over her either.. guess I have to order it from CDnow. Recent purchases: Queens of the Stoneage - QotS: cool stoner rock, could be heavier sometimes.. 7/10 Eldritch - El Nino: great heavy/prog album 9/10 Weissglut - Etwas kommt in deine Welt: album of the week!!! Really heavy sound and great german lyrics. 10/10 (Neil: hope I didn't shock you with my latest buying-list e-mail, you caught me in a mellow mood.) I finally manged to update my homepage - if you want to take a look: http://www.muc.de/~jerry/ thanks for listening - jerry :--) NP: Weissglut - ekidw -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Schaefer jerry@muc.de ...bei 200 Grad 15 Minuten backen, und keine Eier! - Tool --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:33:12 -0500 From: Joshua Rasiel To: email_address_removed Subject: Why none of your questions got through, you punk. Message-ID: Last night's yahoo/sonicchat was cool, but slightly dissappointing. I would have hoped for a more informal gathering, but it seemed instead sort of like a PR conference. But Mike, thanks for doing it and it was definitley a killer event. And now, the rest of this post is dedicated to jose, the peurto-rrrrrican(suave) jammer. Jose, you punk: You clearly have no understanding of netiquette, and you were probably one of the people last night that kept asking, OVER and OVER, "Is mike here?" "Is this the chat?" "Hey, where's mike?" "Hey, how do you ask a question?" "Hey, where's Mike?" "this sucks!" I asked three or four questions and one of them got through. Each time I used a different question. You probably used the same question, over and over again, and do you think that might piss off the moderator? Yes! And did you bother to learn what the caps-lock key means before you asked your questions over and over? I bet, No! BTW, Puerto Rico looks damn nice in the commercials. Quite a place, I hear. but you're still a punk. >I JUST SPENT AN HOUR TRYING TO GET A QUESTION TO MIKE >PORTNOY ON YAHOO CHAT, >AND COULDN'T GET THROUGH!!! THIS SUCKS. I HAVE BEEN WATING >FOR THIS NIGHT FOR >A WEEK TO TALK TO HIM. I'M SURE IT WASN'T MIKE'S FAULT, THEY >HAD TO SCREEN THE >QUESTION. IF YOU READ THIS MIKE, I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU WILL >EVER COME TO PUERTO >RICO. THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE THAT REALLY WANT TO SEE DT LIVE. > >ANYWAYS, LATER JAMMERS >JOSE -- Joshua Rasiel email_address_removed www.j51.com/~mrasiel "Shop Smart. Shop...S-Mart!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:44:56 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Where the hell is the Platypus(a OiaLT question) Message-ID: Ok, I listened to the entire album twice now, and let me say that it truly rocks. I do have the clicking sounds as well, but they are brief and I was so into the music that I hardly noticed. Its a live album, what the hell can you do? Anyway, I was able to locate all the inserts except PlatOpus. I have never heard the album, so I wouldn't know what to look for. My only guess was at the beginning of Scarred. Is that where, somebody please let me know. One last comment, Petrucci's solo got me out of my seat, absolutely amazing. Later jammers..... Andrew New York ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:26:38 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Ytsejam Stickers 2.0 Message-ID: I finally fixed the problem with my web site, so if you're interested in what the stickers look like, go here: http://members.aol.com/MaxArbot/stickers/stickers.html [eriC] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:40:03 -0500 From: "Bush, Andrew" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: OIAL Promo CD's Message-ID: My CD's have the promo warning, too. Only, I didn't buy the album from CD now. Mine came from a local store. And they had quite a few copies. I wonder if they were all promos... Hopefully there's a reasonable explanation for all this promo nonsense (like a printer mistake), because the band deserves every cent that they can get from OIAL. BTW, this is my first post. Later, Andy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:12:58 -0500 From: "Kevin Rackley" To: email_address_removed Subject: 2 Bootlegs and 1997 DTIFC CD's for Sale Message-ID: Hey Jammers, "When Dream and James Unite" - $35 (Listened to once) "Fasten Your Seatbelts" - $15 1997 DTIFC CD - $15 (Listened to once) E-mail me privately if you're interested. First come, first served. Kevin Rackley Official Soul Reason Website http://members.aol.com/rackleyk/ Currently in the car's changer: 1.) Dream Theater - Images and Words 2.) Iron Maiden - Caught Somwhere in Time 3.) Rush - Moving Pictures 4.) Empty Tremor - Apocolokyntosys 5.) Tangerine Dream - Optical Race 6.) KISS - Alive I (disc 2) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:23:07 +0000 From: Jon Parmet To: yts Subject: Re: Myung/Sherinian on OiaL (was Thoughts on OiaL) Message-ID: > From: "Giannotti, Nick" >> From: "Thomas Forcier" >> b) Where in the world is John Myung? And where have they been hiding that >> Sherinian guy until now? Derek owns this disc and [...] [snipage] I happen to like the fact that JM isn't so loud this time around. You can still hear him on the disc. The few times I've seen them live, the bass has been so loud and distorted it's actually annoying. It takes away from being able to hear all of the intricate things that JM is doing and drowns out many other sounds that are going on at the moment. Perhaps the next wave of CD technology will have each instrument's track seperately accessible, so you can re-master the individual tracks and mix 'em anyway you want. "I........am........STUDIO MAN......read 'em weep, Shirley BOYEEEE"! > On the flipside of that coin, Sherinian must have paid said soundman VAST > amounts of money. He sounds friggin' GREAT. :) Maybe a nice blonde swing dancer? :) Or perhaps they just got tired of all the bitching about him on the jam :) Not that I'm trying to start another K v. D debate or anything... MUHAHAHAHAHAHA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Some more impressions: The audience seems to be enjoying themselves somewhat :) I've only heard some songs on it, but no complaints here. In fact, I haven't even listened to an entire song yet, because the kid in me gets too anxious. I look at the liner note thingies and go "OOOO, OOOO, JLMB, no....wait...um....heh heh ...yeah....LITS....yeah that tune kicks ass...no....wait....gotta hear that part again where JP plays faster than the electronics can sample!!!" :) The transition/bridge/whatever_it's_called into PULL ME UNDER is shuhweeet! I really like the acoustic piano shiz in YTSEJAM. Mike is as always: expressive and tight. I'm sorry, but JP is not playing some parts of that solo. He's got a little pedal switch where he can put it on auto-pilot and the super computer takes over. Human bone joints simply can't tolerate that kind of speed. Imagine some kind of Monty Python like skit where JP's gets it up around 300 BPM, his hands come flying off, and the truly sick and twisted (no, not me, fool :)) fans in the audience rabidly fight over the airborne digits, just so they can scan them in for their web page. "I went to a a DT concert, and damnit, all I got was this middle finger!" :) Only one negative: Tower didn't have the video the first night. Guess they ran out of room on the delivery truck, what with the REM/Phish/etc. taking precedence. Dickmunches! disclaimer: I don't necessarily hate REM/Phish/etc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This whole thing with the cover tunes just doesn't seem to affect me the way it does some, I guess. I could be in the minority, but I just don't care whether they play something original or not. There'll be plenty of original tunes coming from DT in the years to come. I know that when they do cover a tune, that it'll be a fresh twist on an old idea, yet still respect it enough to capture the 'flavor' of the original. I've heard some of those tunes so many times, I know all the little subtlties in them, and it's fun to hear what the guys do with the various parts. You can hear the audience identifying with it. Ditto the above when it comes to composing something that some consider more slanted to the 'commercial' side versus 'pure prog' or 'prog metal' side. Someone mentioned variety? Well it comes in all different flavors, not just during a song but the song itself as well. THAT's what keeps me listening to these guys as much as anything else (like prog or metal). You just never know what they're going to surprise you with next. I take a song for what it is, not for what it isn't compared to some other song(s). These guys re-invent themselves over the course of one album, even! Regards, Jon NP: Strip Bingo -- *------------*----------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | email_address_removed | 617-494-2851 | *------------*----------------------------*--------------* ech`echo xiun|tr nu oc|sed 'sx\([sx]\)\([xoi]\)xo un\2\1 is xg'`ol ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:21:43 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Daniel C Russell) To: email_address_removed Subject: Dream Theater International Fan Club Message-ID: Hello, This is a letter open to anyone who knows the answer. Possibly Neil Elliott or Skadz!!! About a month ago I sent my check and resistration form to the DT Fan Club the address I used is as follows. DT International Fan Club PO Box 20206 Greenly Square Station New York, NY and the ZIP I don't know what the story is but is was sent back to me saying that the box is no longer available and that it is closed....could someone please email me back in private and let me know what the correct address is because I wanna make sure I get the Christmas CD and other goodies...thanks Dan Russell "Find All You Need In Your Mind, If You Take The Time" ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: ytse jam To: email_address_removed Subject: Top 20 - Time's running out! Message-ID: Hey Ytsejammers! Time is almost up! One more day left! (Lots of people haven't submitted their lists yet. We need your votes!) Results will be posted next week to the jam and on a web-page. (Just in time for you to add items to your Christmas list!) Please submit your Top 20 all-time favorite albums to:=20 email_address_removed. Example list (artist - title): Alice in Chains - Dirt Angra - Holy Land Conception - Flow Dream Theater - A Change of Seasons Dream Theater - Awake Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity Enchant - A Blueprint of the World Eternity X - The Edge Fates Warning - Awaken the Guardian Lemur Voice - Insights Megadeth - Rust in Peace Metallica - =85And Justice For All Pink Floyd - The Wall Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime Rush - Moving Pictures Savatage - The Wake of Magellan Shadow Gallery - Tyranny Spock's Beard - The Light Stratovarius - Episode Symphony X - The Divine Wings of Tragedy _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:56:59 -0600 From: "Juan Fco. Quintero" To: email_address_removed Subject: Contest's Winners? Message-ID: Hi all! So, who were the winners of the contest in the onceinalivetime web page? One more thing about OiaLT CD, I noticed that they are made in Germany. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:41:43 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: JLMB Solo Message-ID: Dave the UK Jammer now in the south: >Watching the video it looks as though JP and DS both play the entire >"Trade Off" JLMB solo together, I could be wrong and I'm sure I'll be >corrected if that's the case. That's because it's not really a "trade-off" solo, it's a full-on guitar/keyboard duet. In the studio, Kevin Shirley punched in and out on the final mix to get the feel of it being a trade off, even though both musicians were playing the thing all the way through. That's evident on the DT Christmas CD '97. Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | http://members.xoom.com/obscuremetal/ | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:42:35 -0000 From: "Simon Christie" To: Subject: Re: OiaL in the UK Message-ID: <010e01be042f$a3584e40$2ab259c3@simon-s-pc> >So OiaL has a worldwide release date of 27th October except the UK - where >we have to wait till the following monday - 2nd Nov. Even the major chains >(HMV, Virgin) seem to have little knowledge and even some of the largest >Virgin Megastores son't even have plans to stock the disk. I wish I >understood the buying plans of the large stores - its just so fucked up! > >If I have to order a major release like this, then I might as well support >my small-time local record store than spend money with Virgin. > >Charlie Yeah its pissing me off to. I even ordered the Silent Man single from my local Virgin store about 5 months ago and it still hasn't arrived, it's only coming from Germany! Support your small local music shop, thats where I'll be on monday. Viva J.G.Windows. Simon Christie ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4383 **************************