YTSEJAM Digest 4381 Today's Topics: 1) Defending G3 by CyberDuke 2) Sonicnet chat reminder/request by Mark Bredius 3) Ytsejam banner!!! by CyberDuke 4) OIAL - Promo Release... by Dave Ware 5) RtK by "D. Frantz" 6) Re: Take Away My Ytse-Pimp Sax Player by Damon Fibraio 7) New Jon Finn CD !! by "Metzger, Mark" 8) sucking the megaphone... by Manuel 9) T-Ride by email_address_removed 10) OIALT Promo by Jason Barden 11) Re: OiaL from CDnow... by "Tobias Bonang" 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4380 by email_address_removed 13) One More Review of OiaL by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" 14) Kansas Jam Meeting by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" 15) Is CDNow ripping off DT? by Jim Beavens 16) Please order the video by "Jan-Michael" 17) Re: Is CDNow ripping off DT? by Edward Polzin 18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4380 by email_address_removed 19) Re: Is CDNow ripping off DT? by Rick Audet 20) DT stickers on webpage.. hello eriC by "Alex O'Connell" 21) Thoughts on OiaL by "Thomas Forcier" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:58:53 +0100 From: CyberDuke To: email_address_removed Subject: Defending G3 Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 05:52:25 -0700 > From: "O" > > G3 - Satch, Vai, Eric Johnson > To all guitar freaks: That album is a MUST HAVE! Even if Satch > seems a bit uninspired, and Eric Johnson makes no show - Vai does! Get outta here! :) Joe does amazing job on Cool #9. As someone said on the guitarists thread, this man can really get a sound out of his instrument. He might not be technical monster as Vai but boy he play that guitar! And Eric Johnson - I LOVE his G3 stuff! I never heard of him before and I liked him very much when I heard him on G3. His music is very cool, kinda jazzy, and he has very interesting playing tecnique! The man is a genius. I read Vai comment on him while rehearsing for the G3 tour - he said that Eric is really a master! Anyone knew that "Going down" is old song? I heard it on Jeff Beck Group album, but I', not sure if this is Beck's song! Anyone can enlighten us? And I LOVE Zappa's "My guitar wants to kill your mama"!!!!! Great cover! And great tribute to Zappa! Hey, does anyone knows if bigger selection from G3 is available somewhere? I always thought they selected TOO LITTLE songs. First, the album could've been longer, and second, what the heck, it could be double CD!!! 3 differenmt musicians, bonus all together jam = worth double album! And I doubt it wouldn't sell! :) C'mon, just 3 songs from each? :( Too little as far I'm concerned. One friend's idea: Maybe on Vai's upcoming boxset there will be some more G3 songs. It DOES sound logical! Anyone knows somehting about it, and which EXACTLY unreleased stuff will be on the boxset! I have a HUGE personal wish: Tracks from the "Crossroads"!!!! Please someone post this if he knows. I would LOVE to hear the "Head Cuttin' Duel"!! :))))) Wooohoooo! > Great to hear that OIAL also... er... er... "kicks ass". :-) > Shame that it doesn't seem to show up in my country. > Neither will "Platypus". I hate this country. No, I HATE MINE! :) Seems like I'll lay my hands on OIAL in 2,3 months! Until then, drop dead while collecting jammers' jaws from the floor when they describe OIAL! :((( -- Later, CyberDuke Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail email_address_removed.mk ICQ# 17392722 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:04:28 +0100 From: Mark Bredius To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: Sonicnet chat reminder/request Message-ID: I was wondering if someone could help me get a transcript of the Sonicnet chat (which will be in exactly three hours from now, if you're in bounce mode)... I would be there myself if it wasn't at 3 am my time, and if I didn't have to get up at 6:45 am... Thanks :) Mark Bredius _______________________________________________________ Under A Cyber Moon - The Official Dream Theater Website http://www.dreamtheater.net/ E-mail: email_address_removed *** Join the FREE weekly Dream Theater newsletter ! *** http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/uc/ Website Tips & Tools ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:03:40 +0100 From: CyberDuke To: DT Mailing List Ytsejam Subject: Ytsejam banner!!! Message-ID: Hey, I got an idea today! As far I know, Ytsejam still doesn't have some special logo, banner or something in that manner! Correct me if I'm wrong but... Let's make a contest! All graphics designers can make something and send it to someone (maybe to Mr. Bredius or I dunno) and then all can be exposed on UACM with posibility to vote for 1! :) And the winner will be used on ALL DT realted sites as link for Ytsejam or other Ytsejam related links! Of course, the site with the choices can bve on ANY jammer site as far as he/she accept to keep the site running! I think it's a good idea! There, than maybe Skadz will relax a little bit since we do something more than thinking of stupid threads! -- Later, CyberDuke Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail email_address_removed.mk ICQ# 17392722 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:16:18 -0600 From: Dave Ware To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: OIAL - Promo Release... Message-ID: Hey, I got OIAL from CDNOW (shipped on the 23rd, arrived on the 26th!) and my CD has "For promotional use only" on it as well (and there isn't a "2CD" sign on the case either), if this is a promo copy that would be pretty cool. Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama) - going for MFP this month...(sorry). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:28:00 -0600 (CST) From: "D. Frantz" To: email_address_removed Subject: RtK Message-ID: It seems as though this tune has disappeared. Hey Mike--will Raise the Knife be on the X-mas cd?!!!! Doesn't seem to be available anywhere like all the other non-released ones are. In my opinion, one of the guys' all-time best efforts. Until DT and Chicago meet again....... -Frantz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:31:02 -0500 From: Damon Fibraio To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Take Away My Ytse-Pimp Sax Player Message-ID: I don't even know if this will get through since I am having troubles sending with Eudora Pro, but what is the fan club info, like where to send money?ave in and send in and probably use the scanner in work to read the print stuff.At 05:56 PM 10/27/98 -0800, you wrote: >One more thing, was the sax in TAMP an overdub or was Jay Beckenstein >really in Paris with DT? Sorry if this has already been covered on No, it was an overdub. Whatever happened to the Jazz teacher from England or whatever who played the sax originally? Did he just absolutely blow ass or something? :) Just curious as to why they'd plop some vintage Jay B. stuff in there. Jay B. rocks. My only complaint is that he cut off every melody just as James started singing again. It would've been nice to have him fade back as James starting singing his verse. The straight cutoff is kind of corny, IMO. It's like musical blueballs to me. >I must have been asleep. I need to renew my subscription...I think. What's >the deal???? We have to send cash to England? Has anyone tried this yet? The New York division is run by a bunch of lazy dickmunches or something, yes, and yes. I haven't heard any complaints yet about sending the $20 across the sea. Which reminds me, I have to do this rather soon! :) I been lazy about getting my membership renewed. heheh. And without further adieu... -- KorgX3 NP: Nothing. -- Damon Fibraio, email email_address_removed Associate for Technical Support, De Witt and Associates "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream theater ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:48:59 -0500 From: "Metzger, Mark" To: "'(ytsejam)'" Cc: "'Jon Finn'" , "'Boston Jammers'" Subject: New Jon Finn CD !! Message-ID: There was another top notch release this week. It's the new CD by the Jon Finn Group called "Wicked". These guys are a local band (Boston being local) that is a bit hard to categorize as they play jazz/fusion/rock/all-mushed-together/etc. This CD is highly recommended for anyone who is not a straight metal-head. The band is a four piece band (guitar/bass/drums with a new keyboardist and no vocals). Jon schreds as few can do. [If I were a musician, I would spell this out in more sophisticated terms than Beavis and Butthead language but I'm not, so I can't.] And, if Jon wasn't enough guitar for you, there is even a guest appearance by JP on one song !! Jon Finn has been referred to as JP's instructor at Berklee and this is incorrect, but I get strong hints that there is a mutual admiration there. The drummer is Dave DiCenso and he is also most amazing as Paahh-met has already pointed out. To me, this CD is streets ahead of their previous CD release "Dont Look So Serious" because it captures more of how they sound live. "Dont Look So Serious" seemed a bit lethargic to me and unrepresentative of how they can play. I have heard them live four times and they are definitely a "performers band". The new CD seems to feel more like their live performances than their first CD and has some longer songs. There is a cover of Jeff Beck's "Definitely Maybe" which is pretty decent. I actually wish that they would throw in a couple of more covers every now and again because they dont take things too seriously (sorry). I dont see the purpose in blood-faithful covers but I think that it is quite interesting to hear creative covers and these guys could do a lot of songs justice. There's some song writing experimentation on Wicked that has not sunk in but it is clear that this is one to get. And if you ever get the chance to see them live do so !! You can purchase this CD directly from the band - actually, it's the only way - at: www.jonfinn.com Tres Buenos !! Mark Metzger email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:54:24 +0100 From: Manuel To: email_address_removed Subject: sucking the megaphone... Message-ID: hey there jammers < If anyone on this list is a fan of this band, Rob Devereux has expressed a desire to relinquish his T-Ride website. If anyone is interested in taking over such a site, go to http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~rcd/t-ride/ and look around. No they aren't going to re-form. No there will never be an "unreleased, b-sides, live performances" album. But if you like the band, heck, check out the site... BV ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:04:50 -0600 From: Jason Barden To: email_address_removed Subject: OIALT Promo Message-ID: Yeah I got the promo copy also. Let's see the record company try and take it from me. Jason NP-OIALT of course ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:12:27 -0800 From: "Tobias Bonang" To: Subject: Re: OiaL from CDnow... Message-ID: <000e01be03a2$5d677880$message_id_removed> hey, you're right! just checked that out..cdnow also sent me the promotional copy version...hmm..i really want to know what's behind all this.. ---- >I was alarmed to read, "The record company may demand return of >the CD upon request." WTF! I thought. Reading backwards, the magical >words, "For Promotional Use Only" appeared. Did anyone else get one of >these from CDnow? Why would they sell me a promotional copy? It boggles >the mind. Anyway, it's pretty cool, just thought I'd add my 2 cents to >the OiaL lore. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:17:39 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4380 Message-ID: Hi---been away for a while. I need to know-- what do i do about re-subscribing to the dtifc? I've heard stuff about the NY address, and how the money is "sitting there". What do I do? Also, I want to insure my x-mas cd this year, so it's important. If any of you know what to do, or even possibly have Neil Elliot e-mail me, it would greatly be appreciated. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:29:01 -0600 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" To: Subject: One More Review of OiaL Message-ID: <01be03a4$ac8a0980$535299d1@default> OUTSTANDING! This CD set went WAY beyond my expectations. Kudos to Mr. Portnoy on the job he did as well as the F***ing Fantastic drum solo, Mike I've said it before "YOU DA MAN!" The liner jacket was good but I would have liked to seen more pictures. To all 5 band members - 5 stars, 2 thumbs up, this is THE live recording that all others will be judged by. Christmas HAS come early..THANKS DT. Mike email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:32:54 -0600 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" To: Subject: Kansas Jam Meeting Message-ID: <01be03a5$37836e00$535299d1@default> The second meeting of the Kansas Jam will be meeting on Saturday November 7th at 3:00 P.M. Any one in the Kansas City area who would like to join up with us should send me a line for location and directions. The first meeting in August was a success although small, we're looking to grow the size of the meetings. Of course the main topic at this meeting will be OiaL. Mike email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:43:24 -0800 From: Jim Beavens To: email_address_removed Subject: Is CDNow ripping off DT? Message-ID: Does the fact that CDNow is shipping promotional copies of OiaL bother anyone else? If these are really promotional copies, and aren't simply the only thing that CDNow could get from Elektra to send early to people (which may be the case since everyone seems to be getting them), then something seems to be wrong here. If these were really promotional, then CDNow got them for free, which means they're pocketing every dime that we sent them. Now, DT may not get much from each sale, but I at least like to think that $1.10 of my $17 is going towards supporting John P's new kid. Is DT getting ripped off here? My copy was shipped on Monday and should get here today or tomorrow via USPS, and if it's a promotional copy I'm gonna email CDNow and ask what's going on. Jim P.S. This may really be nothing, but I'm curious as hell as to how so many promotional copies were made. That's gotta be some promotion! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:03:36 -0600 From: "Jan-Michael" To: "Ytsejam" Subject: Please order the video Message-ID: <001c01be03a9$81621e00$503588cf@jammer> For folks who can't find the new Dream Theater video tape.... Please just go to www.cdnow.com Do the search for Dream Theater... Click on the new video tape.. Order it.. Fill out the form to have it mailed directly to your door.. Please... it's that easy :) No more talk about "I can't find the video tape"... :) JM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:07:05 -0600 From: Edward Polzin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Is CDNow ripping off DT? Message-ID: Check my copy and it's NOT a promo and i ordered it before it was released. So i guess some jammers got lucky. :) Jim Beavens wrote: > Does the fact that CDNow is shipping promotional copies of OiaL > bother anyone else? If these are really promotional copies, and > aren't simply the only thing that CDNow could get from Elektra to > send early to people (which may be the case since everyone seems > to be getting them), then something seems to be wrong here. If > these were really promotional, then CDNow got them for free, which > means they're pocketing every dime that we sent them. Now, DT > may not get much from each sale, but I at least like to think > that $1.10 of my $17 is going towards supporting John P's new > kid. > > Is DT getting ripped off here? > > My copy was shipped on Monday and should get here today or tomorrow > via USPS, and if it's a promotional copy I'm gonna email CDNow > and ask what's going on. > > Jim > > P.S. This may really be nothing, but I'm curious as hell as to > how so many promotional copies were made. That's gotta be some > promotion! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:13:04 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4380 Message-ID: hey....Mike Portnoy chat in less than an hour!!! SOMEBODY SIGN ME UP FOR YAHOO.COM!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:19:50 -0500 (EST) From: Rick Audet To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Is CDNow ripping off DT? Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Oct 1998, Edward Polzin wrote: > > Check my copy and it's NOT a promo and i ordered it before it was > released. So i guess some jammers got lucky. :) Lucky? What's so cool about having a CD with a stamp on it saying something like "The record company reserves the right to take this back... yadda yadda..." ? Rick Audet San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:18:22 -0500 From: "Alex O'Connell" To: email_address_removed Subject: DT stickers on webpage.. hello eriC Message-ID: >If you're interested in a DT sticker, just email me at
>"email_address_removed" or go to my website: >"http://members.aol.com/MaxArbot/index.html"

>[eriC]

Hey, your website isn't loading.  I went to check out the sticker, and I keep getting a blank page.  Reload and futzing around with the address don't help.  Is it down?  Are you revamping it?  Whazzup?

Alex
------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:47:51 -0500 From: "Thomas Forcier" To: Subject: Thoughts on OiaL Message-ID: Hey, Yeah, so I bought OiaL like the good DT fan I am and am very pleased with it. At $20.99 (from Circuit City, purveyors of the DIVX atrocity), it beats the price on any 2 disc bootleg around. ;) And like the rest of you, I have some thoughts, good and bad, that I'd like to share. I haven't listened to it as an album yet (start to finish in one sitting), but I have heard all the songs, so here goes: a) DO NOT like the new version of the main riff for Peruvian Skies. If you don't know what I mean, than ignore me here. However, I do love the part around 5:20 when everything drops out for a second except the bass and drums. Tres cool. Its right after that part of the main riff that John P changes... b) Where in the world is John Myung? And where have they been hiding that Sherinian guy until now? Derek owns this disc and Silent John is too silent. I can hardly hear the two-handed bass interlude in Metropolis. Oh, and the fans aren't saying "Metro-police", they're just prouncing Metropolis with a French accent... c) Early contender for favorite track: JLMB. A track that I didn't like too much on FiI, but am strangely attracted to here. Least favorite track so far: Lie. It sounds almost passionless. As does PMU. You want passion? Derek's keys opening LitS. This is how ballsy the album version should have sounded. d) I like the John Williams references, a la Star Wars and Close Encounters. Now if John M could have worked in the Jaws theme, this would have been too funny. e) The other "references", i.e. Freebird, Have a Gigar, Moby Dick, etc., don't excite me all that much. After the ACOS covers, this is a tease of sorts. f) Biggest complaint: no non-album tracks (TLF, TWIUTB, StM). Biggest compliment: this is the first live CD by a major band that actually sounds like one of their concerts. I haven't been to a single Rush show that sounds as crystalline as their live discs, and as for that Van Halen album: yeah, right. g) I honestly think that there are no "significant" overdubs here (like Love Lies Bleeding). But I have to agree, those backing vocals are just a bit too "on-key" for me to not be suspicious. h) And finally, though I like the idea of "drummer's perspective" mixing, why did they abandon this for solos? For instance, the JLMB solo isn't really traded off left to right as it should be. Its almost all on the center channel. Okay, I'll stop nitpicking and go back to listening... Stodgers ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4381 **************************