YTSEJAM Digest 4375

Today's Topics:

  1) Trouble playing OiaL Past LtL
 by "Joshua B. Wingell" <email_address_removed>
  2) Re: MP Fessed Up On This One.
 by "TheCowGod" <email_address_removed>
  3) in defense of Kevin Villines
 by Phil Carter <email_address_removed>
  4) Top 20!
 by ytse jam <email_address_removed>
  5) "Tyranny" sounds like <insert band here>, Fear Factory
 by David Dixon <email_address_removed>
  6) Re: Mike Mangini and Spock's Beard..
 by Andrew James Embler <email_address_removed>
  7) Re: in defense of Kevin Villines
 by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <email_address_removed>
  8) Mike Mangini, EVENT news
 by email_address_removed
  9) Re: in defense of Kevin Villines
 by Lisa Marie <email_address_removed>
 10) OiaL
 by email_address_removed
 11) DTIFC?!?!?
 by email_address_removed
 12) Take Away My Ytse-Pimp Sax Player
 by "KorgX3" <email_address_removed>
 13) OiaL (again I'm sure)
 by Alex Smith <email_address_removed>
 14) OIAL Question (Minor Spoilers).... Kudos to MP!
 by email_address_removed
 15) Portnoy and 12th notes.
 by "Vincent G. LuPone" <email_address_removed>
 16) DMB and the Stick
 by "Thomas Forcier" <email_address_removed>
 17) What a day!
 by "Christopher Files" <email_address_removed>
 18) RE: the video
 by "Christopher Files" <email_address_removed>
 19) UACM stats
 by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
 20) OiaL
 by NuGgeTMaN <email_address_removed>

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 98 16:30:28 EST
From: "Joshua B. Wingell" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Trouble playing OiaL Past LtL
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I have jsut finnished listening to OiaL...PREMATURELY!

It seems the CD player on my workstation at work will not play
the second OiaL CD past 3/4 of the way through Learning to Live! :-(

It just stops!

I guess that is the danger of squeezing 80 minutes of music onto
a CD.  Hopefully my other CD players will not have any trouble
with the long play.

I found "5 Years In a Livetime" at Newbury Comics!  I guess I know
what I am doing tonight! :-)  Incidentally, Newbury Comics also had
OiaL for $18!  Not bad at all.

Derek really shines on these CDs!  Actually, the entire band was in
excellent form for this concert!  The Petrucci solo just blew me 
away!

One more thing, was the sax in TAMP an overdub or was Jay Beckenstein
really in Paris with DT?  Sorry if this has already been covered on
the Jam :-)

Josh

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:35:44 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: MP Fessed Up On This One.
Message-ID: <001201be01f1$c215b060$message_id_removed>


> To Mike Portnoy: if you want to have some authentication of your
>posts to the 'jam (or any person, for that matter), you should probably
>use a thing called cryptography, or one of it's variations (digital
>signatures). There are many programs out there whose purpose is to provide
>authentication of messages.

does that work with the jam tho? we might get a bunch of garbage posts worse
than html, cuz at least with mime/html you can find the text if you want to.
moo.


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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:44:47 -0500
From: Phil Carter <email_address_removed>
To: The Divine Wings of Ytse <email_address_removed>
Subject: in defense of Kevin Villines
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Greetings ye 'jamanoids....

Kevin V. posted the following discs for sale:
>> Angra-Angels Cry $13
>> Angra-Holy Live $10
>> Angra-Holy Land (2 cd set w/ Bonus track on Holy Land (Queen of the
>> Night) and 2nd disc with Live Acoustic At FNAC with the following Tracks
>> (1)Angels Cry (2)Chega de Saudade (3)Never Understand) (I believe this
>> 2cd set is no longer in print, someone let me know if I'm wrong) $27

and then Jeremy Hallum responded:
>	Wow, not only a price inflated sale, but an HTML encoded price 
>inflated sale! ooo!
>Lets see what the new prices of these CD's are!  
>	(from www.empireent.com:)
>	Angra-Angel's Cry (Ital Import) $13.98
>	Angra-Holy Live (Ital Import) w/ slip case and sticker. $10.98.
>	Angra-Freedom Call (Ital) 6 track EP w/three acoustic tracks $10.98

Three points: 

1) I have dealt with Kevin on at least ten separate occasions. In every
case the CDs I received on my end were essentially brand-new: the only
thing that showed they were used CDs was the fact that they had no shrink
wrap. No scratches on the CD or case, no fingerprints on the jewel cases,
no hints that the discs had even been listened to. 

2) Kevin's deals on shipping are better than the ones you'll get from most
CD stores. Try figuring that in and see how much of a "deal" you get buying
the discs new. 

3) Jeremy's choice 2 and 3 don't match Kevin's choice 2 and 3. "Holy Live"
is not the same as "Holy Land", and "Freedom Call" is not the same as "Live
Acoustic at FNAC". Plus, the double-CD version of "Holy Land" has the bonus
track "Queen of the Night" (one of the best on the disc IMHO), which has
not been released on any other CD to the best of my knowledge. 

In sum, buying from Kevin is definitely worth it. 

ta,
Phil

==================================================
Phil Carter   --   Usefulware Tech Support   --   email_address_removed
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
	-- Berthold Auerbach

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:53:02 -0800 (PST)
From: ytse jam <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Top 20!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



What's your favorite Van Halen album?

What's your favorite Yngwie album? Deep Purple? Extreme? Queen?
Journey? Ozzy? Pantera? Peter Gabriel? Spock's Beard? Steve Vai? The
Police? Tool? U2? Whitesnake?

It's time to give your opinion! Time's running out, and we need your
input. (What? No opinions out there?!)

Send a list of your Top 20 all-time favorite albums to:  
email_address_removed

Example list (Artist - Title):

Dream Theater - Images and Words
Led Zeppelin - Presence
Dream Theater - Once in a Livetime
Miles Davis - Sketches of Spain
Steely Dan - Aja
Shadow Gallery - Tyranny
Sade - Best of
AC/DC - Highway to Hell
Queensryche - Rage for Order
Liquid Tension Experiment - LTE
Symphony X - Twilight in Olympus
Ozzy Osbourne - Blizzard of Oz
Motley Crue - Too Fast for Love
Metallica - Ride the Lightning
Chromakey - Dead Air for Radios
Red Hot Chili Peppers - Blood Sugar Sex Magic
Tool - Undertow
Van Halen - Van Halen
U2 - The Joshua Tree
Conception - Flow

Once again, send your Top 20 to:  email_address_removed

Jam on!


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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:05:28 -0700
From: David Dixon <email_address_removed>
To: "'email_address_removed'" <email_address_removed>
Subject: "Tyranny" sounds like <insert band here>, Fear Factory
Message-ID: <3093FD59DB69D11193AA00A0C960564980905E@messaging>


Hey jammers - just my additions to the "SG's 'Tyranny' sounds like
<insert band here>" thread:

Track 3 (Out of Nowhere) - about 00:49: the accompanying vocals are
patented Suicidal Tendencies (breathy, sort of lazy).
Track 5 (Hope for Us?) - the piano intro: same chord progression as
Alanis Morissette's "Uninvited" (City of Angels Soundtrack).
Track 5 (Hope for Us?) - about 3:35: the keyboards sound a lot like GnR
in "November Rain" (not to be blasphemous :)  ).
Track 6 (Victims) - the whole intro: the same chord progression as a
section in DT's "Erotomania" (I think someone mentioned this before).
Track 6 (Victims) - about 4:00: the guitar sounds like Dave Matthews'
vocals at the end of "The Dreaming Tree" ("Oh, if I had the
strength...")

And WTF!!  CDNow hasn't sent me my OiaLT CD (I did get it FedEx'ed!!)
:(

Well anyway, for those of you who enjoy a good concept album (and
judging by the responses to SG's "Tyranny", I'd assume that's most of
you), Fear Factory's "Obsolete" is great!  A little different from
Tyranny, of course, because FF is definitely far more straight-up
whoop-ass metal than SG, (SG's of course way more prog), and the ideas
are different.  The album is based on Orwell's "1984", and deals with a
man being a "virtual slave" to a machine.  Very cool music (especially
if you like double bass - Raymond Herrera is THE DB god!), if you like
the "full-ass metal onslaught" genre, like Pantera, late Slayer, AJFA
Metallica, etc., with the growling vocals like Pantera.  The song
"Resurrection" is definitely worth a listen, even if you don't like Fear
Factory.  Also, "Timelessness" is just KB's and vox, a very pretty,
eerie song that concludes the album, and sounds uncannily like VAST (Jon
Crosby's new project).  Very cool!

Till next time,

David Dixon
Internet Developer
Integrated Information Systems, Inc.
email_address_removed

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:08:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Andrew James Embler <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Mike Mangini and Spock's Beard..
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


> Nevertheless....
> I was wondering if any of you know any records with Mike "Metronome" Mangini
> on it, exept for Extreme's "Waiting for the Punchline", and Steve Vai's
> "Firegarden"...... I really dig that dude.....

If memory serves, Mike Mangini plays on a number of tracks off of Mike
Keneally's latest, "Sluggo". Keneally played with Frank Zappa, plays just
about every instrument, and his releases are pretty intense. I read a
review of "Sluggo" by Modern Drummer, and they said that Mangini was
amazing on it. I have yet to pick it up, yet, unfortunately. So many CDs,
so little time.

Andrew

Memo to CDNow: Ship my damn OIAL !


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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:24:53 -0600 (CST)
From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: in defense of Kevin Villines
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>




On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Phil Carter wrote:

> Acoustic at FNAC". Plus, the double-CD version of "Holy Land" has the bonus
> track "Queen of the Night" (one of the best on the disc IMHO), which has
> not been released on any other CD to the best of my knowledge. 


Actually, there's a remixed (and better, IMO) version of "Queen of the
Night" on the Freedom Call EP.


Mark McEuen
email_address_removed


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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:30:03 EST
From: email_address_removed
To: dl@xs4all.nl, email_address_removed
Subject: Mike Mangini, EVENT news
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Dennis

 Mangini played on an Annihilator album, not sure of the title (Waking up the
World or some shit, I forget,  and last I talked to Mike (He was at a show to
see my Drum teacher Dave Dicenso) He is all set to do Steve Vai's next album,
I believe he did some stuff with Mike Keneally, but I cant say if it is on a
record or not.

Mike is the most INSANE drummer ever known to man...If you havent seen him
live or in clinic, holy shit, the man rocks...

BTW, My name is Matt, I'm a drummer from Boston, in a band called EVENT, check
us out at www.mysticfishook.com

just figured I'd try and help, but hey I'm sure somebody on the Jam there will
have some more useful info

Matt 
EVENT


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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:37:22 -0800
From: Lisa Marie <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: in defense of Kevin Villines
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


At 02:08 PM 10/27/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Plus, the double-CD version of "Holy Land" has the bonus
>track "Queen of the Night" (one of the best on the disc IMHO), which has
>not been released on any other CD to the best of my knowledge. 

"Queen of the Night" is also on the Japanese version of Holy Land (which is
a single cd).  

Oh, and Kevin rules and stuff.

:o)

Lisa Marie "Jessie"
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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:22:15 EST
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: OiaL
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I went to my local Tower Records today and they didn't have it.
So did anyone remember who did a review and do you have their e-mail address
please?

Also, has anyone heard when Tony (LTE) Levin's book 'Beyond the Bass Clef'
will be out?

Thanks ....


Ice Queen


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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:17:12 EST
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: DTIFC?!?!?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I must have been asleep.  I need to renew my subscription...I think.  What's
the deal????  We have to send cash to England?  Has anyone tried this yet?
Please let me know.  I guess I could mail off a $20.  Where is Neil?  Is he
still around here?

Rob

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 06:46:48 -0700
From: "KorgX3" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: Take Away My Ytse-Pimp Sax Player
Message-ID: <006e01be01b0$43caf940$1e0d84d0@korgx3>


>One more thing, was the sax in TAMP an overdub or was Jay Beckenstein
>really in Paris with DT?  Sorry if this has already been covered on

No, it was an overdub.  Whatever happened to the Jazz teacher from England
or whatever who played the sax originally?  Did he just absolutely blow ass
or something? :)  Just curious as to why they'd plop some vintage Jay B.
stuff in there.  Jay B. rocks.  My only complaint is that he cut off every
melody just as James started singing again.  It would've been nice to have
him fade back as James starting singing his verse.  The straight cutoff is
kind of corny, IMO.  It's like musical blueballs to me.

>I must have been asleep.  I need to renew my subscription...I think. What's
>the deal????  We have to send cash to England?  Has anyone tried this yet?

The New York division is run by a bunch of lazy dickmunches or something,
yes, and yes.  I haven't heard any complaints yet about sending the $20
across the sea.  Which reminds me, I have to do this rather soon! :)  I been
lazy about getting my membership renewed.  heheh.

And without further adieu...
--
KorgX3
NP: Nothing.


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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:54:45 -0700
From: Alex Smith <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: OiaL (again I'm sure)
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


My God!

This is probably the best sounding and most kicking ass live album I've
ever heard! I'm only halfway through the first CD (Derek's piano solo), but
Voices and Take the Time blew my fucking mind! DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you mucho Mike!


Alex Smith
email_address_removed

"Seeing is believing, hearing is receiving=97
Deaf and blind world, I don't believe in,
Blinded by light, flattened by sound,
Over and out=97underground.
Down here, talk to us, we'll hear,
The future will heal, walk with us from here."
=97Pop Will Eat Itself

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:20:20 EST
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: OIAL Question (Minor Spoilers).... Kudos to MP!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Howdy -

Just a quick question here about OIAL (which ABSOLUTELY SHREDS, BTW!)

Being that I have not heard Platypus yet, what part of the new CD is the
"Platt Opus"?  Is it part of Derek's monster key solo?

I also wanted to give mad props to our beloved Mikey... you've outdone
yourself this time!  2 1/2 hours of audible ecstasy AND 2 hours of visual
ecstasy on the SAME DAY?!?  You savage.....  :-)   Thanks for taking care of
us.  And by the way, the fuckin' GROOVE of Peruvian Skies on the video had me
on my feet headbanging like a teenager again... it was great!!!  Thank god the
wife wasn't home at the time to see the carnage....  ;-)

So long folx.  Now back to my CD and neckbrace....  Matt T.

NP:   SOYBOMB!!!!!!  :-)

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:40:49 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Portnoy and 12th notes.
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Yo,
	I didn't see anyone post this yet and I'm sure you'll all get a kick out
of this.  Last night at the Portnoy clinic someone asked Mike something
about some 8th note fill, Mike didn't quite hear the guy correctly, and
responded with something like "uuh, 12th notes?  hehe."  The 4 ytsejammers
in attendance were laughing hard at that one.
	Just to let ya know 'big brother' is always watching :)

~Vinnie is proud it was his copy of the
live CDs that was played through the PA :)

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Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:44:24 -0500
From: "Thomas Forcier" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: DMB and the Stick
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hello,

>I went to the Dave Matthews Band concert tonight, and
>apparently they have hired a guy to play Chapman Stick.  Either that or
>they just brought him in for the concert, but the guy can play.  I didn't
>catch his name, 

It wasn't Tim Reynolds by any chance, was it? This guy plays some of the
guitars on Dave's albums and also does tours with just him and Dave playing
acoustic. He's an incredible guitarist who's playing is completely
undefinable, genre-wise. But if its not Tim, I'm out of guesses. What songs
did he play Stick on? Curious Me.

Stodge

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:00:21 -0500
From: "Christopher Files" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: What a day!
Message-ID: <000f01be022f$e026a4e0$e3c97ad1@artoo-detoo>


okay, so today i got both OiaL and the newest from TSO.  oh, what a great
day it has been.  and two weeks from now--it's some live RUSH (and a
greatest hits album by U2--i'm not interested in the limited edition, since
i'm not a huge fan--which will be an added bonus).  "party on, dudes."
chris


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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:11:09 -0500
From: "Christopher Files" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: RE: the video
Message-ID: <001101be0231$604d8a20$e3c97ad1@artoo-detoo>


>>>>>From: Chris Calabrese <email_address_removed>

this fucking blows....I live in a town where there are 30,000 college
students and there are 2 or 3 record stores within miles of here and
none of them have videos...and I just called one of them and I asked if
they have the new Dream Theater video and their response was, "We don't
have it, cuz who would want to buy that???"  WELL FUCK YOU!  Excuse me
for not running to all the stores today for the new Phish CD like every
other fucking hippie in this town.<<<<<

whoa!  somebody has issues.  i must say that it sucks that your stores don't
have the video; however, this particular dream-theater-loving hippie who
thinks phish are a pretty damn good prog band (now THERE'S a statement that
will get some flames thrown! :) might suggest that you take your
disappointment out on someone else; i mean, i'd be pretty psyched to live in
a town of 30,000 hippies over say 30,000 fans of rap or country.  but hey,
whatever makes you feel better, that's what's important.  oh, and
congratulations on your perfect mastery of the use of the word 'fuck'.  a
great achievement.  :)

tongue in cheek,
chris f.


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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:39:24 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <email_address_removed>
Subject: UACM stats
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.nl>



  On October 27th...

  * the Official Dream Theater Website had 3415 visitors !
    The previous record was 2807, on October 12th, the day
    after the site got its new "LIVEtime" look.

  * the weekly UACM newsletter got over 60 new subscribers.
    There are currently 1736 subscribers on the newsletter!

    Btw, OIAL rocks.  ;-)

  Mark Bredius
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 02:04:04 -0500
From: NuGgeTMaN <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: OiaL
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


All I have to say is this CD is AWESOME!!! And the Video...My lord!!!!!!
Thank you VERY much Mike, and all of DT for the work put into this video
over the past 5 years...it FUCKING RULES!!!!!!

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