YTSEJAM Digest 4338

Today's Topics:

  1) Tool?
 by email_address_removed
  2) Re: Tool?
 by Rick Audet <email_address_removed>
  3) lateral processes
 by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <email_address_removed>
  4) Re: Fantasy DT  WHAT?
 by "Marcos Ot?vio" <email_address_removed>
  5) Hey Drummers
 by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <email_address_removed>
  6) Re: Hey Drummers
 by "TheCowGod" <email_address_removed>
  7) Re: partha
 by Andrew Coutermarsh <email_address_removed>
  8) Re: Hey Drummers
 by Andrew Coutermarsh <email_address_removed>
  9) Bill Bruford
 by "earthblind, starbound" <email_address_removed>
 10) Re: How I heard of DT
 by Rogerio Brito <email_address_removed.br>
 11) That crazed DJNo
 by email_address_removed
 12) Radio Stations...
 by Dominic Turcotte + Manon Grenier <email_address_removed>
 13) Re: Question 'bout playing MP3  (NDTC)
 by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <email_address_removed>
 14) NDTC-Alex Skolnick question
 by "Dave Boland" <email_address_removed>
 15) Re: That crazed DJNo
 by "TheCowGod" <email_address_removed>
 16) Odd Times and Misc Guitar questions
 by email_address_removed
 17) No Pain No Gain?
 by "TheCowGod" <email_address_removed>
 18) Re: Odd Time Signatures
 by Andrew Coutermarsh <email_address_removed>

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:13:44 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Tool?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


<<Tool is what Dream Theater would have been had DT started ten years later.>>

Oh My !!! 

Now that's some seriously controversial bait.    :-)  Who's going to bite
first?

_____Nikki______________________
~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~
~~I'm Learning to Live.   --J. Myung~~

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:51:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rick Audet <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Tool?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>




On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 email_address_removed wrote:

> 
> <<Tool is what Dream Theater would have been had DT started ten years later.>>
> 
> Oh My !!! 
> 
> Now that's some seriously controversial bait.    :-)  Who's going to bite
> first?

"Caught In Alice's Nine Inch Tool Garden"

Or have we all forgotten about that song already?

/me waits for the newbies to start shouting "what the hell is that?!?!?!"


Rick Audet
San Francisco


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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:06:12 PDT
From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: lateral processes
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Lisnin to explorer's club right now, but left the liner 
elsewhere.....didn't think Sherinian played on this disc at all? Or am I 
forgetting something?
>
>I was looking at the liner notes for the Explorer's Club disc and it
>says Labrie and Petrucci as appearing courtesy of East/West. Derek is
>not listed at all. So is Derek an offical member or a hired hand? 

>we could form a Jihad and murder the infidel swine.
                 ~~~~~ 
Wonder if Brendt and the guys would let us borrow that stilleto they've 
buried in the sand?

>To all those who have won more that $5 off at CDNow, 
>Are you frequent shoppers there.  Perhaps CDNow is reserving the 
>higher prizes for those who have already shelled money over, or is it 
>completely random who wins what?

I bought something from them last month, tyranny in fact, and i only got 
5 bucks off from that quiz thing.....i'm thinking I'm gonna wait another 
week, play again, and see if i can't score OiaL for free or 
something......i wonder if it is possible, as it seems, to grab a new 
discount every week?

>Actually, mine's not exactly strange, though I thought it was at the 
>time. My sister's then-fiance played me "The Big Medley" one night, 

Nice tale, Andrew.....but I have to ask......a "then-fiance"?  did they 
break up or get married? (or maybe get married and then break up?)

partha

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:46:41 -0300
From: "Marcos Ot?vio" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Fantasy DT  WHAT?
Message-ID: <000201bdf717$eeec1640$abaefea9@marcos>


>WHAT?  No LEARNING TO LIVE?  VOICES?  You have got to be kidding me!!!!
And
>only Ytsejam and BMS for Encore?  Wow!  Especially for a Fanty Set list,
you gotta think big!!/.......

the most great play list could be:

When Dream and day Unite (entirety)
Images And Words (entirety)
Awake (entirety)
A Change Of Seasons (entirety)
Falling Into Infinity (entirety)

or in another order....

uhu!!! this would be cool!!! hehehe! :)

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Marcos Otávio Fernandes
http://www.geocities.com/thetropics/1749
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:35:35 -0500
From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: Hey Drummers
Message-ID: <01bdf712$f0e8c2e0$135099d1@default>


There's alot of drummers on the jam....Question-how are you dampining your
bass drum, or are you? I been using a pillow in each of my bass drums and it
works pretty good, but  I'm thinking of switching over to Remo Muff'l Rings.
Is anyone using them, and if so do you like them?

Mike
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:52:25 -0400
From: "TheCowGod" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Hey Drummers
Message-ID: <000e01bdf715$4ac1ca30$message_id_removed>


>There's alot of drummers on the jam....Question-how are you dampining your
>bass drum, or are you? I been using a pillow in each of my bass drums and
it
>works pretty good, but  I'm thinking of switching over to Remo Muff'l
Rings.
>Is anyone using them, and if so do you like them?

i noticed this in some drummer's ad in a drum mag: twist up a t-shirt or a
towel and use masking tape or duct tape or whatever and tape it to the
junction where head meets shell at the bottom, on the head that you hit.
ykwim? it sounds different, i personally like the pillow touching both heads
but that's me, you might want more tone in the bass drums, in which case
this is a good alternative. moo.

--

Dan McCormack (email_address_removed)
http://www.clemson.edu/~demccor/


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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:05:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: partha
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


>>Actually, mine's not exactly strange, though I thought it was at the 
>>time. My sister's then-fiance played me "The Big Medley" one night, 
>
>Nice tale, Andrew.....but I have to ask......a "then-fiance"?  did they 
>break up or get married? (or maybe get married and then break up?)
>
>partha


Actually, he's still around, but they're not in the same kind of
relationship.  My sister broke up with him, but the rest of the family
thinks they're going to get back together.  I hope they do; he's a great
guy.

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Andrew Coutermarsh
email_address_removed
http://cout.ml.org/	<== My webpage!
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"Friends are people who help you move.  But
REAL friend help you move BODIES."
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:17:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Hey Drummers
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


> There's alot of drummers on the jam....Question-how are you dampining
> your bass drum, or are you? I been using a pillow in each of my bass
> drums and it works pretty good, but I'm thinking of switching over to
> Remo Muff'l Rings.  Is anyone using them, and if so do you like them? 
>
> Mike
> email_address_removed

Actually, I have a drummer friend who absolutely 100% swears by a little
piece of equipment called an E-Q Pad.  It's a pad that hooks to the batter
side of a bass drum.  What it does is this: when the drum gets hit by the
beater, the pad gets dropped away from the head for a split second, then
immediately smacks back onto the drum head to muffle it.  It provides a
premium sound, whether you're in a living room (which is where my friend
practices) or in a full concert hall.

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Andrew Coutermarsh
email_address_removed
http://cout.ml.org/	<== My webpage!
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"Friends are people who help you move.  But
REAL friend help you move BODIES."
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:28:48 -0400
From: "earthblind, starbound" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Bill Bruford
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


>
>> I figured I would share a bit of news with YtseJam from the King Crimson
>> mailing list, Elephant Talk.  I haven't seen this subject pop up at all
>> here, but I figured some jammers would find it interesting.  As of the
>> present day, Bill Bruford is no longer a member of King Crimson.  Why?
>> Robert Fripp is an arrogant asshole (but he is still, IMHO, the greatest
>> guitar player of all time.)  Just figured I'd let you guys know!
>
>	Hey, Chris, please give us some details! I really can't believe
>how this Bill Bruford can play like that. The man's a machine!


As of today (as far as Elephant Talk announces), Fripp is thinking of
this.  Nothing has been decided, and nothing is official.

To know why, go to the DGM website and see Fripp's own thoughts.  I'm not sure of the address, but you can find a pointer to it on
http://www.elephant-talk.com.


   - "Maybe I'm paranoid, yeah, that's my problem. You almost have to
      be, when you look like me." -- Kevin Moore
     Against a Sickness: To the Female Double Principle God
     http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:34:06 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <email_address_removed.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: How I heard of DT
Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.02.9810140029400.24321-100000@catatau>


On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Andrew Coutermarsh wrote:

> Until I got to college.  I met my now-best friend, we hit it off, and
> started discussing music one day.  He told me about this great band he
> liked to listen to called Dream Theater.  It was at about that point that
> I told him about this experience I'd had with The Big Medley (keeping in
> mind I didn't know the name of the band nor did I know the title of the
> song), and he exclaimed, "Oh my God!  That's Dream Theater!"  To which I
> was absolutely amazed that it worked out as well as it did.  Ever since
> that day, when I first heard other DT music, I have been a fan.

	You know, Andrew, yours gotta be among the be most interesting
stories about how one got into Dream Theater... Really... Wow.

	I wish some friend of mine (I mean close, local friend) introduced
me to some band I end up really loving... I've actually got into many of
the bands I'm into due to my own "research" or recommendations from people
from Internet (and they say that the Internet isn't important in the lives
of people -- if it's contributed to a person's culture, how can it be that
bad?).


	[]s, Roger...

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  Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!"
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:21:31 -0700
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: That crazed DJNo
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Quoted From
Joe DeAngelo <email_address_removed> On Tuesday 13 oct.

>
> I figure I'll make it easy on the guy.  I'm not going to be picky - > I'll settle for any song.  Here's what transpired;
> 
> "Yeah, could you please play some Dream Theater for me?  It doesn't
> matter which song.  Thanks!"
>  "No."
> "Huh?"
> "Sorry dude, we're not gonna play it."
> "Really?  Why not?"
> "Too 80's man.  Way too 80's......"

Ive been sitting here trying to think of a way to sum up all my
thoughts. WEll here it is :That is whack to say the least. This guy 
makes Archie Bunker look like a regular Einstein! 

> DT's first CD was '89

Exactly, where this guy..uh thing.. gets off saying that DT is too 80's
i don't know. I'd be willing to bet he's never heard of DT at all. Radio
stations are funny, one of my radio stations ( 99.5 Kiss, they play
rock/alternative styles in san antonio)will hype a band they don't even
play, like Grand Funk RailRoad (and if i remember right, Santana) in a
30 sec promo, but will only announce DT's appearance in the form of a
'this month coming to town' sound bites. Either way the San Antonio show
rocked the house!!!

Where the **** did that radio station dig up a DJ like that?!
Put this guy in the back, shuffling cd's and sorting mail. Oh well his
job is prolly like most radio hosts that ive heard, that is to say that
they make snappy remarks for quick sound bits to play for ratings. 

This is my first post so i don't wanna go off on a blitzkreig (sp) and
get banned  :0  But i'd stack this guy and radio station in the 'flaming
idiots' category, and try to enact a coup and make them play some tracks
off of OiaL, particullarly when the band goes into Freebird and back
into the song (for get which on, i think its TtT),   (correct me if im
wrong ive only heard about whats on the album but have yet to listen to
it).   and tell me that thats too 80's. In the show they played here in
town they went into 'enter sandman' and back into TTT then later went
into Freebird jam flawlessly, now how the hell that can be called 80's
is beyond me.

Well ill stop writing a book and maybe my next post will be a Readers
Digest form 8)

Till next time, take it easy
Darkstar

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:14:55 -0500
From: Dominic Turcotte + Manon Grenier <email_address_removed>
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <email_address_removed>
Subject: Radio Stations...
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hi all!

    In the radio station line, I'm from Quebec city and there's only one
station I can hear DT, but it's only in backgrounds while the animators
are speaking!!! And they won't play them for whatever bad reason they
could think of! How frustrasting!!

    Later!

Doom the Fated


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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:14:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Question 'bout playing MP3  (NDTC)
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>




On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Carlos Alfaro wrote:

> I dunno... ive never had  any problem with playing mp3's while
> using/opening/scrolling other applications,...so there must be Cpu dependent

Well, this is straight from the Winamp FAQ:

III-2. Q: Why does Winamp skip when I scroll a window down in Netscape or
Word, even though I have a P2-400? 

A: Your video card is taking bus bandwidth from your soundcard, there is
nothing that Winamp can do or could do. 


And I have the same problem on my computer (especially with Netscape),
though it's fast enough (P200) to decode MP3's without any problem.  Maybe
it depends on which applications you run.


Mark McEuen
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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 20:22:41 PDT
From: "Dave Boland" <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: NDTC-Alex Skolnick question
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hi,
     anyone have the Ytsejam which talks about how Alex Skolnick is 
looking for a web help?  my roommate is interested, he just started 
doing it!  please send it DIRECTLY to me, as to not clog the Ytsejam up 
unnecessarily!
thanks, ja mats,
dave boland

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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:22:39 -0400
From: "TheCowGod" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: That crazed DJNo
Message-ID: <001a01bdf721$e5987fc0$message_id_removed>


>it).   and tell me that thats too 80's. In the show they played here in
>town they went into 'enter sandman' and back into TTT then later went
>into Freebird jam flawlessly, now how the hell that can be called 80's
>is beyond me.

when was the black album released? '91. sounds recent but that was 7 years
ago. i was in middle school. when was freebird recorded? i dunno an exact
date but it's on my Sounds of the Seventies cd. i wouldnt use old songs as
examples of how DT can't be called outdated :) moo.


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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:55:02 -0700
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Odd Times and Misc Guitar questions
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hey fellow jammers!
I need some help..

    Could anyone give me a run down on how to count and treat odd time 
signatures? I think i have the jist of it, just don't know where 
to accent which beat(s). Secondly, I have been playing guitar for about
4 years now, and i have declined in my technical ability as 
a player, while at the same time growing melodicly (sp). i have a new 
guitar instructor (the other one went AWOL) and have learned a new way
of approaching music and scales. 

My theory is blurred between this new method (chordal) and the
old(modal) approaches.I was thinking of just doing technical exercises
and not worry about scales,keys, chords etc.. What im hoping to do is
extiguish my memory of theory so i can rebuild using the new method and
then moving on the modal stuff..Ive already learned C,G,D  major scales
over, now instead of it being in one movable position its in a series of
'blocks' that connect and allow me to go from C on 7th string to
serveral octaves higher at 20th fret of the high E. Part of the reason i
want to retrain my theory is that i just got a 7 string, and i would
like to to some jazz baseline things as well as the harder stuff.
 
Thats all for now! thanks in advance,
Darkstar

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:12:13 -0400
From: "TheCowGod" <email_address_removed>
To: "Ytsejam" <email_address_removed>
Subject: No Pain No Gain?
Message-ID: <000301bdf728$d27ea6b0$message_id_removed>


hey hey, a while back (this is quite a while back) someone did some sort of
a "music that doesn't suck" kind of thing where every week or month or
whatever he/she'd post 2 mp3s with descriptions and URLs to the jam... first
of all i'd like to know who thsi was but besides that one month you posted
this one song called No Pain No Gain which is sort of a jazz rap song... i
wanna know who this is and stuff. please e-mail me, whoever it was. (wild
koba? kirby? seems like it was a nick like that...) thanks. oh and what
happenned to that thing? i enjoyed it quite a bit. moo.

--

Dan McCormack (email_address_removed)
http://www.clemson.edu/~demccor/


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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:28:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Coutermarsh <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Odd Time Signatures
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Okay, this is how you should break up musical odd-time signatures (such as
5/8, 7/8, 15/8, etc.):

Beats like 5/8 and 7/8 are a little bit easier, but they all have the same
fundamental breakup; every measure will break up into groups of 2 or 3
(sometimes the 2 is actually 4, but it depends).  For example: 7/8 will
almost invariably break up into one group of 4 and then a group of 3 or
into one group of 3 and then a group of 4 (ONE two three FOUR five six
seven, or ONE two three four FIVE six seven).  5/8 will almost invariably
be broken up into one group of three and then a group of two or one group
of two and then a group of three (ONE two THREE four five, ONE two three
FOUR five).

If you're having trouble breaking odd time signatures up, just remember
that.

--Straight from the mouth of a music major. :)

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Andrew Coutermarsh
email_address_removed
http://cout.ml.org/	<== My webpage!
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"Friends are people who help you move.  But
REAL friend help you move BODIES."
-------------------------------------------

On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 email_address_removed wrote:

> 
> Hey fellow jammers!
> I need some help..
> 
>     Could anyone give me a run down on how to count and treat odd time 
> signatures? I think i have the jist of it, just don't know where 
> to accent which beat(s). Secondly, I have been playing guitar for about
> 4 years now, and i have declined in my technical ability as 
> a player, while at the same time growing melodicly (sp). i have a new 
> guitar instructor (the other one went AWOL) and have learned a new way
> of approaching music and scales. 
> 
> My theory is blurred between this new method (chordal) and the
> old(modal) approaches.I was thinking of just doing technical exercises
> and not worry about scales,keys, chords etc.. What im hoping to do is
> extiguish my memory of theory so i can rebuild using the new method and
> then moving on the modal stuff..Ive already learned C,G,D  major scales
> over, now instead of it being in one movable position its in a series of
> 'blocks' that connect and allow me to go from C on 7th string to
> serveral octaves higher at 20th fret of the high E. Part of the reason i
> want to retrain my theory is that i just got a 7 string, and i would
> like to to some jazz baseline things as well as the harder stuff.
>  
> Thats all for now! thanks in advance,
> Darkstar
> 
> -- email_address_removed
> 
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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> =-                              -Stephen Wright                 -=
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