YTSEJAM Digest 4327

Today's Topics:

  1) Re: Once in a LIVEtime on tha charts....
 by Michael Kizer <email_address_removed>
  2) Re: Guitar effect question
 by Michael Kizer <email_address_removed>
  3) re: Ytse(Boot)Radio
 by "Kez" <email_address_removed>
  4) re: swing girls
 by email_address_removed
  5) Kings X show and best Prog band of the year.
 by "Jason Birzer" <email_address_removed>
  6) Macedonia / slight DTC
 by email_address_removed
  7) spiritual
 by Alex Smith <email_address_removed>
  8) Re:Mp3 problems
 by Michael Zachariadis <email_address_removed.gr>
  9) Look, mom, I'm condensing :-)
 by email_address_removed.be (Tony De Laender)
 10) ACOS original
 by Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>
 11) Musician Bashing
 by email_address_removed
 12) Edgar Allan Poe
 by email_address_removed
 13) A Place Near Millwood
 by email_address_removed
 14) Here it comes again!  For Sale/Trade!
 by "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
 15) New Stu Hamm...
 by Peter Tatischev <email_address_removed>
 16) uncooking
 by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
 17) SYMPHONY X...Live in NYC (08/29/98)
 by "Carlo D'Angelo" <email_address_removed>

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 21:26:44 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Once in a LIVEtime on tha charts....
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


email_address_removed wrote:
> 
> Go to the following web siteto see DT's new album on Rock/Pop charts (off of
> CDNow)
> http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-
> bin/mserver/SID=1720158677/regpage=RP/GENRE/ROCK/rock.charts.html/
	So, these are the CD NOW Rock charts, which are probably based on sales... So,
DT in on the charts at numbers 11 & 20 for a CD and video (respectively) that
aren't even out yet... Man, Dream Theater fans _are_ nuts...   :-)

NP: Fates Warning -- Still Life "The next best thing to being there..."
-- 
~Michael Kizer                      <email_address_removed> <ICQ # 2070538>
"Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com
>>>               Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream               <<<
>>>      Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books       <<<

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 21:31:42 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Guitar effect question
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Thomas Forcier wrote:
> 
>         I need a recommendation on an overdrive pedal. My main setup is an Ibanez
> JS (dual humbucker) into a Fender M-80 (solid state). 
> anyone have any recommendations for an effective pedal? I'm hoping for
> something along the lines of a Collective Soul type sound. I know that
	I use a Zoom Driver pedal, it has a good variety of amp sounds. You can
simulate stacks, combos, solid state and tube amps, etc... I think it has a
really good sound to it from slight fuzz all the way up to some pretty crunchy
metal. I think they run well under $200 (if they still make them, I've had mine
a while).

-- 
~Michael Kizer                      <email_address_removed> <ICQ # 2070538>
"Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com
>>>               Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream               <<<
>>>      Dream Theater and Kevin Moore "Unofficial" Song Books       <<<

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:50:50 -0400
From: "Kez" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: re: Ytse(Boot)Radio
Message-ID: <007c01bdf409$8e8e10c0$7619efce@kezcom>


Adam Pye wrote:

>Question:  Would there be any interest in a Ytseradio spot that included
>almost nothing but live bootleg material?  I'm not talking about the
>generic boot CDs you can buy anywhere, but stuff most people haven't heard.
>


Yes, I would have a major interest in such a show.  Please sign up to DJ.  I
think you're show would probably rule.  And YtseRadio needs some more spots
filled.

Everyone tune in when you can.  And we thank you for your support.

Kez


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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:02:23 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: re: swing girls
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


<< Also, they are nice girls, not those skanky ho's
  you meet in rock clubs. (No offence to the skanky ho's on the list) :)>>

yeah and after you start dating them these will be the same girls you guys
bitch about because they hate/wont listen to/dont get DT.

as long as were generalizing. =)

-melissa
email_address_removed

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:09:23 -0400
From: "Jason Birzer" <email_address_removed>
To: "The Jam" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Kings X show and best Prog band of the year.
Message-ID: <003101bdf40c$271340c0$658345c6@longshot>


Yeah, I went to the show, waited around forever, almost fell asleep during
their set.  But I had a great time!  Kings X kicked ass and it was very good
that they did play for us rather than cancel.

Pat was talking about a few albums for band of the year.  Let me make a
couple of other suggestions.  This wasn't released this year, but it is my
discovery of the year: Pain Of Salvation - Entropia.  Anyone who is saddened
by the demise of Faith No More should check out this band.  It is about the
closest I can describe these guys.  Get it, if u can....

What I think will be the band of the year, tho, is Ayreon - Into the
electric castle.  If it is as good as I hear (I haven't gotten my copy yet.)
it easily makes the top of my list.  This band just kicks ass.


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Jason Birzer       "One likes to believe in the freedom of music
"The Longshot"     but glittering prizes and endless compromises
ICQ#13068879     shatter the illusion of integrity."
email_address_removed             Rush - The Spirit Of Radio
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 01:27:15 -0400
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Macedonia / slight DTC
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


What is this dispute about Macedonia?
Everybody who was born and raised in Europe (like myself) or who at
least studied European history (not you American high school kids, of
course) knows that there was/is part of both Greece and former
Yougoslavia that was/is called Macedonia. The map of Europe has been
changing with such a speed recently that it is really useless to argue
which bit belongs where and what it's name is.
Can this pointless thread be put to rest at last?
I liked it much better when people were flaming Derek and Kevin. At
least there was some DTC. But please, don't go back to THAT tired topic
which only does harm to the reputations of two very fine musicians.

Flame me, I can bear it

JZ



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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 23:15:32 -0700
From: Alex Smith <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed
Subject: spiritual
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hello y'all,

Sorry for cross posting this, but I want to get it through.

I just saw the excellent movie "Pi" tonight, and it left me thinking. Are
there any other people on this list who believe--in a sense--that music can
be somehow a "window to God" or some sort of spiritual tool? Please, e-mail
me, I'm interested in some dialogue and perhaps setting up some sort of web
site or mailing list about "musical mysticism" or whatever you want to call
it. I personally find good music to be a higher force than anything but
true love, which is also, in my book, connected to God somehow. I believe
in God (or whatever one choses to call it/them) but I'm not a member of any
religion or cult or anything.

This could be interesting if anyone wants to talk about it.

NP: Peter Gabriel "Passion" (this is EXTREMELY COOL!)


Alex Smith
email_address_removed

Subdivisions (Rush):
http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/ 

"I see priests, politicians?
 Heroes in black plastic body-bags under nation's flags
 I see children pleading with outstreched hands
 Drenched in napalm, this is no Vietnam.
 I can't take any more, should we say goodbye?
 How can you justify?
 And they call us civilized."
  -Marillion (Fish)

"Music is a dreadful thing."
  -Ludwig van Beethoven

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 12:11:34 +0200
From: Michael Zachariadis <email_address_removed.gr>
To: Ytsejam List <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re:Mp3 problems
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.gr>


Hi there jammers

First of all hi Amanda and welcome

Second. All of the ppl having trouble downloading mp3's or what ever
else, should get getright at http://www.getright.com, and you'll have no
more trouble.

That's all, and keep ytsejamming
Mike



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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 11:19:39 +0200
From: email_address_removed.be (Tony De Laender)
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Look, mom, I'm condensing :-)
Message-ID: <v01510101b244c1e80c03@[194.7.145.144]>


Previously, on the Ytsejam ...

Scott Sill wrote:
>This shit is old.  Everyone should just admit that you can't play guitar with
>out emotion and the same goes for any other instrument.   NO one is  better
>than anyone else, it is all just a matter of opinoin and choice.

Exactly. Hey, I don't like most of Yngwie's stuff either, so I don't listen
to it.
It beats the hell out of dumping on the guy just because I don't like him.
Opinions vary, and in the end you still have a choice as to what you're going
to listen to, so if you don't like certain stuff, don't listen to it, instead of
bashing some really good musicians. It's not like anyone's holding a gun to
your head, forcing you to listen to stuff you don't like, is it?

However, I don't really agree with the part of needing emotion to play. I think
you can play any instrument off the sheet, without having any emotion. But
without emotion, I would say it's impossible to write any music yourself. Just
my opinion.

Dale R. Newberry wrote:
>For some Poe-inspired prog (sort of) metal, check out Tourniquet.
>They quote from "Masque of the Red Death" in their song

As I recall, Crimson Glory had a song on "Transcendence" called MotRD also.

Amanda Rosenblum wrote:
>OK, hi everyone.  After far too much time, Ive got on this mailing list.
>I have
>nothing to flame at, bitch at, or complain about.  Just wanted to say hi!

You'll learn 8^)

FiveNgroK

CP: Royal Hunt - "Moving Target"

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"Those who can, do. Those who can't, become critics."



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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 02:29:03 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: ACOS original
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


As has been correctly stated earlier on this list, the original ACOS
and the Eve with samples that appear on Subconscious were taken straight
from the TDOE CD boot. (CD boots being much harder to come by back in
those days).

	AFAIK, nothing else from the Prism discs was duplicated from any
existing CD boot, except for "Status Seeker" from WDATU.

-- 
- Mike Bahr - Wizard's Tower Gaming Center in Mesa, AZ (602-962-0151)
- http://www.goodnet.com/~emerald/ - Magic, AD&D, SWCCG/STCCG and more!
- Magic: the Gathering "Duelists' Convocation Level 2 Certified Judge"
- d u r n i k@g o o d n e t.c o m - If it's nae Scottish,it's CRAP!

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:29:19 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Musician Bashing
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


>When I joined this web site I really thought it was a buch of people who
>still enjoyed good music.  I think I was mistaken.  
>CJBass
>
>

Well hey CJ, we don't ALL bash other musicians.  I certainly don't and have
come out in defence (UK spelling) of various people eg., Steve Vai AND Derek
Sherinian.

List always have their jerks but there are plenty of us here I am sure who
love music (and who are musicians themselves).  If the sincere ones leave then
the jerks win, so I for one will be staying around, though I will have to go
into lurk mode and relinquish my 'Queen of the Jam' crown from time to time
....   ;-)

N



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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:29:26 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Edgar Allan Poe
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Just have to send my 2p worth here.  The Mask of the Red Death is such an
amazing film.  I first saw it when I was a little kiddy and was hooked on the
Hammer/Vincent Price/Poe films ever after.  Just like I was always hooked on
the Errol Flynn swashbuckling stuff.  It really is all my mother's fault
because she allowed my sister and I to watch them (bloody good show mother
dear).

As for Tourniquet, what label are they on please?

Also anybody seen the American (WB) series "The New Adventures of Robin Hood"
which stars that deliciously yummy man Matthew Poretta?  Ya know him of the
slightly similar to Johnny P looks?  Is he in any films that I can get on
video?

N


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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 05:29:27 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: A Place Near Millwood
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Cyberduke wrote
>
>??????? 
>Is this another joke? :)

No really it isn't.  Go check the map on a microsoft net search!
Also 'partha' said there was supposed to be another one in another state (liek
the two places called Erie), but I didn't check out the map yet.

There are some really strange mixes of names on the map around the NY/MA/NE
area, probably because that's where many of the first settlers in the Americas
(including lots of British) landed.  I have already seen eg., Bristol which is
where I come from originally (Bristol, UK that is, on the West Coast of the
UK, same latitude as London).  I'm not an Historian as such (yes 'an
Historian'  IS the correct phrase in the UK) but I find place names in the USA
quite interesting because they can give you a guide to their origination in
who moved there ie., to the 'New World'.

To those of you who think this is of NDTC, just remember, Johnny P is of
Italian descent, JLB is a French Canadian (I think), John Myung is oriental (I
don't know which country, anyone?), Derek Sherinian's name is Armenian (I
believe) so where does that leave Mike Portnoy (athough his late mother's name
sounded Italian)?  Kevin Moore's name sounds Celtic (possibly Irish) to me and
what about Jordan Rudess?

No wonder they have such diversity as DT, it is already in their nature!  A
truly worldwide band .............




N

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Date: 10 Oct 1998 11:38:21 +0200
From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed.pt, email_address_removed,
Subject: Here it comes again!  For Sale/Trade!
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hi all,

Well I lost some e-mails of people that were interested in some of the 
follwoing CDs.  So could you please re-e-mail me about them?  Thanks.
As usual all prices are in US Dollars even though I live in Germany
and they DON'T include postage costs.  I would rather trade with
people in Europe since the postage costs would be lower.  But anything 
is possible.

All things listed as promo are the full releases but they might not
have lyrics and such but all the songs are there.  CDRs are copies of
the normal CD including the song listing but no liner notes.

Accept - Death Row $7
Chastain - Sick Society $8 
Dokken - Shadowlife $7
Galactic Cowboys - Space in Your Face $7
The Gathering - Mandylion (Promo Cardsleeve) $7
In the Name - In the Name $10
Killers - South American Assault - Live $7
Loudness - On the Prowl $7
Mekong Delta - Classics (CDR) $5
Pretty Maids - Spooked $7
Samiam - Capsized (Single) $3
Skyclad - Irrational Anthems (Promo) $7
Slayer - Divine Intervention $7
Tiamat - The Astral Sleep $8
Tiamat - Clouds $8
Tiamat - The Sleeping Beauty - Live in Israel $8
Viper Brazil - Evolution (Promo) $6
Viper Brazil - Live: Maniacs in Japan $7
Widowmaker - Blood and Bullets $9
Widowmaker - Stand by for Pain $9

Jason

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 22:29:03 +0400
From: Peter Tatischev <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: New Stu Hamm...
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


The new project with Stu on bass is called Show Me What You Can Do...
It features Stu Hamm on bass, Frank Gambale on guitar and Steve Smith on
drums.
If you are interested in hearing a s/clip from there and checking the track
listing
and reading a small humble review - check out the
http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch/
If you will be serching for this CD through CDNow it should be under Frank
Gambale,
not Gambale, Hamm, Smith.

cya laterz,
~Pete

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 14:17:54 +0300
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: uncooking
Message-ID: <199810101117.oaa00409@estcard.ee>


> You could try using that "uncook" program, or even switching to a better
> OS (I had no problems with Netscape and x11amp). 

The OS isn't blowing the whistle. It's Navigator that can't recognize a 
binary file if its MIME-type is not configured in the web server. Same 
with Lynx. Curiously enough, Internet Explorer did the trick easily. It's 
the one and only reason for me to install it (temporarily though).

Raitz,
not for one second did I mention Dream Theater

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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 07:21:47 -0400
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <email_address_removed>
To: Fates Warning Mailing List <email_address_removed>
Subject: SYMPHONY X...Live in NYC (08/29/98)
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hail people...

I woke up extraordinarily early this morning and decided to write up a
review for the SYMPHONY X show I saw a while back.  I know how lucky I
was to see them...hopefully it wasn't the last.

On August 29th I was able to see the amazing SYMPHONY X in their "FIRST
EVER" live show in the US (which is actually quite ridiculous because
they only live 25 minutes away from me and I've NEVER been able to see
them play live until now!!!!)  Anyway, my friends and I are so psyched
to see them you'd think we had tickets to see God vs. Satan or
something.....you could just tell this going to be amazing. Anyway, I
get to the venue which is basically a bar with a small (and I mean
smalllllll) stage set into the corner so its shaped like a triangle. 
Upon seeing where they were going to play I was shocked..given Romeo's
(ahem) dimensions I thought it was going to be quite cramped (which it
was) but them being such an awesome live band it didnt matter.

There were two opening bands which I'll speak very briefly of...GOTHIC
KNIGHTS (their debut album on Sentinel Steel was mediocre and so was
their set..I had to buy two beers cuz I was so bored...not bad, not
great either)  LEGEND  (any band that starts of a song
singing...."Canonball, canonball...CANNONBALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL..is bound to
make you laugh..when you're not supposed to)..what a joke...decent 80's
"true" metal..but they dedicated an ENTIRE 8-minute song to the glory of
canonballs.  ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........

Now..the glory of SYMPHONY X......

I saw a good number of really obscure progressive/power metal shirts
there so I realized the die-hards came from all over the eastern
seaboard for this (well..maybe just as far as Brooklyn or Queens :) 
Also..I was wearing my prized BLIND GUARDIAN soccer jersey which I
bought at the Wacken Open Air '98 Festival in Germany so that drew a LOT
of questions from other fans (why is it every time I describe the
festival a small crowd gathers around me :)  

anyhow.....since the place was basically a bar I was able to get right
in front (and I mean RIGHT IN FRONT) of the little stage.  You'll see
when I post the pictures...(should get them developed this
weekend....along with my pics w/ ICED EARTH and SAVATAGE)

I got to watch them setup their own gear which was cool but also a
reminder of how crappy the music scene is here compared to Europe or
Japan.  Well..finally the lights went out and the intro started.......


Smoke and Mirrors
The Eyes Of Medusa
Church Of The Machine
(bass intro) --> Sea of Lies
Dressed To Kill
The Accolade (Holy shit!!! To experience this song live is
unbelievable!)
Through The Looking Glass
Pharoah  (<---YESSSSSS!!!)

encore...
  Candlelight Fantasia (just beautiful)
  Divine Wings Of Tragedy (this left me speechless...words just don't do
it justice)  


Now I realize that they've been criticized as being "too" technical and
they'd never be able to pull off a live show and sound as good they are
on record.  Well..from what I experienced they DO pull it off and do it
with such fluidity its scary!!  They are most definitely NOT robots who
just stand there and play their instruments.  Romeo and Miller were
always smiling when they were playing (I'm sure they werent happy with
the tiny stage setup).  Whenever I took my camera out for a picture
they'd always pose (even though they're in the middle of an insane riff
or something)...absolutely ZERO attitude.  Just a bunch of great guys
who are amazing players!

I wish I saw more of Pinella but his keyboards were too high and I
couldnt get a good view...no matter....because its what I "heard" that
really mattered.  Since it was so small I could see EVERYTHING that
Jason Rullo (yes he's back!) was doing...he's ten times more intricate
than I thought...really mindblowing live.  Russel Allen was THE
consumate frontman.  As well as delivering an amazing vocal performance
his stage presence was great...totally into it, jumping around,
interacting with tons of fans, handing out the mic, etc..  It was a
great surprise to see such a technical vocalist deliver such an
energetic performance.

  Now .....Micahel Romeo..he's got his fair share of detractors but they
can't say shit till they've seen him live.  Its just unbelieveable how
fluid and complex his playing is, yet still maintains a great sense of
melody.  I thought that at least some of his solos would not sound as
great as the studio...but goddamn was I completely wrong....he's just
amazing to watch live...VERY clean playing (no Yngwie slop here >:))) 
Seriosuly, I was watching him solo and couldnt help but clap and cheer
every 10 seconds because I'd have NEVER expected him to sound SO GREAT
live!!!! 

The sound was fantastic..maybe because of the small venue but I heard
EVERY instrument and exactly what they were doing.  Every little bass
fill, every harmonized leads w/ Romeo and Pinella, every ride
cymbal...EVERYTHING.  I couldn't have wished for more.

Like I said before....VERY friendly bunch of guys (they signed
autographs, took pictures, chatted a LONG time..etc.) and just AMAZING
musicians that just explode in a live setting....god my mouth was on the
floor.  100 minutes never went by so fast.....

To see "The Accolade" and "Divine Wings of Tragedy" live is all one
needs to experience before they die.  Song seleection was great too. 
"Candlelight Fantasia" was a real surprise treat...I didnt expect that
one....their versatility is amazing.  Russel Allen shines on that
one!!!  SYMPHONY X ruled that night.....

I spoke with Russel (who has short hair now) afterwards and he said how
much he'd love to play more in the states but its pretty difficult and
their record company doesnt want to invest in tours here..damnit :(

Bottom line:  See them live whenever you can, whatever the cost....its
truly a surreal experience that will leave you breathless.

cheers,
   Carlo (Fates)

NP:  IN FLAMES "Lunar Strain" (Jap. w/ "Subterranean" EP which I bought
for just $14!!                               
.....muuhahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa >:)
-- 
                                                         
                                                        
"When you know that your time is close at hand        
  maybe then you'll begin to understand               
   Life down here is just a strange illusion."        
                                                      

                             --IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)

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