YTSEJAM Digest 4313 Today's Topics: 1) galactic cowboys... by "email_address_removed.fi" 2) Show Me What You Can Do... by Peter Tatischev 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4310 by "Pat Sullivan" 4) Re: strawberries by "Pat Sullivan" 5) Re: "Free Minded" worst song on "Younique"???? Er, no. by Phil Carter 6) SotM poll by "O" 7) mfp? by "Partha Mukhopadhyay" 8) dueling banjos by Pat Daugherty 9) one thing i forgot ... by Ryan P Skadberg 10) Superior - Free Minded by "Jason Birzer" 11) Re: Song of the Millennium by Peter Geerts 12) Re: AOR by Peter Geerts 13) Guitarist's notice! by "KorgX3" 14) re: medley by yzzy 15) Spanish speakers/Progressive rock by Awake 16) JP page OFFLINE by "David Van Glabeke" 17) Re: DT, FII and LTE. by Brian Larkin 18) Matt returns + re: FII and the test of time by email_address_removed 19) Re: DT and Macedonia by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:06:04 +0200 From: "email_address_removed.fi" To: email_address_removed Subject: galactic cowboys... Message-ID: just to inform ppl who are thinking of ordering GC from CDNOW : I've been trying to get Space In Your Face by GC for a while... CDNOW couldn't get it to me, they mailed me few times saying they have it on their catalog "for informational purposes" and they prolly won't be getting any more of them. op777 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:01:38 +0400 From: Peter Tatischev To: email_address_removed Subject: Show Me What You Can Do... Message-ID: Hey jammerz, I don't know if this had been mentioned before, put I simply can't keep silence about this awesome release. I mean Frank Gambale, Stuart Hamm and Steve Smith's album called 'Show e what you can do'. It's simply awesome! For those of you who liked Vital Tech Tones it's the very right thing to get. Also I know that some ppl on this list had been waiting for long to hear a new release from Stuart Hamm (his work on Crystal Planet is not satisfactory) - this is the right thing for you guys! Stu at his very best!!! One more thing - I never realised that Steve was such an awesome drummer (well, at least untill I heard the VTT, but SMWYCD confirmed this). I am not talking about Frank - what else could we expect from him?! Stu told me that he had never been satisfied with his release more than this time and I guess this also mean something. You can check out a small sample from it at: http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch in the section for the s/clips. ~Pete ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:09:38 -0400 From: "Pat Sullivan" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4310 Message-ID: > The highly technical and overly progressive side of the band (Portnoy and > to some extent Petrucci) feel they need the Liquid Tension Experiment to > fully realize their talent because their present band isn't allowing them > to. Meanwhile the lighter side of Dream Theater (James) seems to feel > that this band has great potential for making hits left and right and > feels their songs should be more radio-friendly and more accessible to the > palate of the average person's ear. Boy, what a dorky sentence that was! > ;) > I would extend that particular description to the entire paragraph, but that's just me... :-) I don't think the side projects are a result of the members being dissatisfied with what DT is doing, but rather a chance for them to stretch their musical wings outside of the confines of what DT represents to them. I think the members have a VERY clear vision of what DT is and is not (I think it's also very different from what the *fans* think, but that's another story). Rather than being a divisive force, I think it helps/will help DT be more cohesive by assuring that everyone has the necessary outlets to express their full creative abilities. __Pat Sullivan________________ Email: psull@just-like.nu WWW: http://www.just-like.nu ICQ: 2049374 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:15:20 -0400 From: "Pat Sullivan" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: strawberries Message-ID: > What smells like strawberries? I don't know, but the Bond girl in "Goldeneye" *tastes* like them, or so I've heard........ :-) ----- __Pat Sullivan________________ Email: psull@just-like.nu WWW: http://www.just-like.nu ICQ: 2049374 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 09:24:53 -0400 From: Phil Carter To: The Divine Wings of Ytse Subject: Re: "Free Minded" worst song on "Younique"???? Er, no. Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... Grrrraham wrote: >Easily worth 9/10, one point is deducted for the truly horrendous 'Free >Minded' which is just the worst song Superior has recorded, sorry Bernd >:) Okay, Graham, gotta disagree with you there. I think "Free Minded" is one of the most kickass songs on the disc. I'm not exactly sure why it rokz my nadz so much, but it does. Might be the thousand and one musical styles thrown into the mix, or it might be the great keys solos, or the wicked time changes.....hell, maybe it's all of the above. And I have to give mad props to Bernd and the boyz for putting out an album like "Younique" with a song like "Free Minded". It's obvious from just one listen to this disc that the band is intent only on making the music THEY want to make. Not what their label wants them to put out. Not what Top-10 Radio wants them to put out. They are not compromising at all and I applaud them for it. Ta, Phil ================================================== Phil Carter -- Usefulware Tech Support email_address_removed (work), email_address_removed (personal) "I should never have written all those tank programs." -- Kevin Flynn, "Tron" Currently playing: Jesse Cook -- "Gravity" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 06:57:05 -0700 From: "O" To: email_address_removed Subject: SotM poll Message-ID: Mr. Luke said: >This isn't about what we *really* think the best song >of the millennium is - it's about getting OFB all the >damned exposure we can get them >through any damned contest available. Uh-huh. Isn't that really silly? I mean, then it is just a fact of what band has the highest number of big fans? What good does that do? I still stick to my earlier opinion - if you don't like ACOS, don't vote for it! Is it so hard to understand!? It is, as someone noted, entirely a matter of principle. And I think you should care. 'Til later (i.e. Monday), O Get your FREE E-mail at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at http://personal.lycos.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 07:08:18 PDT From: "Partha Mukhopadhyay" To: email_address_removed Subject: mfp? Message-ID: Wow, i only did two posts in all of september? and 51 won the whole race? geez, i seem to recall a time, not too long ago, when a creature named dreamnday would post and post and....you get the picture.....and the mpf race would soar into the 70s and 80s and even 100s! now, a mere 51 takes the cake.....I'm getting old or nostalgic or something like that......hmmm, i wonder if this is one of those anti-purpose-of-the-ytsejam posts that skadz might take exception to.....i remember those days of kbibb and his magical moderative erasable pen [shit deleted -kbibb] somehow, i don't think i got the format exactly right, but i'm way past rambling now...... partha ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 10:10:44 -0400 From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: dueling banjos Message-ID: > I saw this movie when I was a kid and that scene of Dueling Banjos > remained firm in my mind (dunno why). Anyone been to that bar in Boston that's near Fenway where they have the dueling pianos. I've been to Boston once and we hit a few bars that night. Expensive beers though at this place but they are 20-24 ounce bottles. You should check out the dueling pianos if he get a chance. NP:Shadow Gallery-Tyranny -- |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email: email_address_removed | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |================================================================| | Cal Ripken - 2,632 | |----------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:45:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Ryan P Skadberg To: email_address_removed Subject: one thing i forgot ... Message-ID: Well, yesterday in my rules stuff, i forgot one :) Top 5/10/20/30/92/etd lists. There is a proper way to do these and a WRONG way. The wrong way is easy. A message like "Why doesn't everyone send their favorite 5 guitarists to the ytsejam, so we can see who everybody likes" is the WRONG way. Now, on the other hand, if you say. "Hey! Why doesn't everyone send ME their top 5 guitarists and I will compile statistics and send a summary to the ytsejam" Have a blast, I'm fine with that. Basically, just don't CLUTTER the jam :) Thanks Again! Skadz -- Ryan Skadberg | "there's a space beside us Ytsejam Moderator | and there's miles between us email_address_removed | and all around us http://www.dreamt.org/ | grows this shade of gray" | _A Pleasant Shade of Gray_ - Fates Warning ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:06:11 -0400 From: "Jason Birzer" To: Subject: Superior - Free Minded Message-ID: <000f01bdee16$3159ecb0$message_id_removed> >Easily worth 9/10, one point is deducted for the truly horrendous 'Free >Minded' which is just the worst song Superior has recorded, sorry Bernd Hey, I like this song, in a goofy sort of way. It is definitly different and not at all what I expected. Does this also mean you don't like 'Detect: Myself'? It has a similar feel.. Overall, I like the album, but I think I like 'Behind' better. Get the album, if u can... Jason Birzer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:02:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Geerts To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Song of the Millennium Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Nick Storr wrote: > > Well, just voted for ACOS... but I have a question.... > > How do Garth Brooks, Bryan Adams, bloody HANSON, A-Ha and others get on the > list before the Beatles?!?!?! Hehe, I bet Garth Brooks fans, Bryan Adams fans, Hanson fans and others, must be thinking.... How the hell did Dream Theater get on the list before the Spice Girls?!?!?!? They're doing the same as we... organising the voting... Zaphod NP: Ayreon - Into The Electric Castle ============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* email_address_removed.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122636 First year's Social Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium Voorzitter JVS Orion Mechelen ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:07:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Geerts To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: AOR Message-ID: On Tue, 29 Sep 1998, Joe DeAngelo wrote: > I know this is a dumbass question (one that I should have asked ages > ago, actually), but what does AOR stand for. Album Oriented Rock > Damn I feel stupid. Don't :-) Zaphod ============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* email_address_removed.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122636 First year's Social Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium Voorzitter JVS Orion Mechelen ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:42:12 -0600 From: "KorgX3" To: Subject: Guitarist's notice! Message-ID: <001a01bdee1b$77a6f500$0201010a@chuck> Hey, all. I figured some of you guitarists might be interested in this. There is a JPM100P2 (John Petrucci Model 2 Ibanez for you on-guitarists. :) on auction at this URL. The price now is like $500 and it ends tomorrow. Sweet price. And you have Korg's seal of approval on the JPM100P2. I played one once and wish I had the money to buy this one. Looks, plays, and sounds great! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=32477199 Good luck! -- KorgX3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:47:38 -0500 From: yzzy To: email_address_removed Subject: re: medley Message-ID: >If you just play a bunch of stuff the >people in the bar have never heard of, >they won't want to listen to you, how true. touring with a rock band in the mid 70's we played Uriah Heeps "July Morning" for an openning song several times. what we found was that majority of the people looked bored and mis-placed. they were wanting to hear top 40 type stuff. changing the song to Styx's "Sweet Madame Blue" produced the same results since the radio stations weren't playing this cut off of Styx's album. we thought this stuff would be great to warm up on since most people don't get off their butts and dance during the first set anyway. even though we had a super vocalist to pull these songs off (as well as draw some attention from a few labels), people were just not interested. moral of the story: >people want to hear music they know very sad, but, very very true. >THINK BEFORE YOU POST heh... like i try to keep teaching my 6 yr old son, "Think before you do." btw, i ran into a female country singer (15 yrs experienced) last month and while we were driving to a theater i cranked up TAMP which was playing on my cd player. after a couple of minutes of listening, i noticed that her jaw had dropped and that she was intently listening to the song. she finally said, "Wow! The percussion is awesome." after the song had played, she had nothing but really good things to say about the band. (heh... it'd be really kewl to convert a country singer/writer to OFB.) i found it most difficult to bite my tongue and give her the space to listen while the song was playing. even though she's extremly good at what she's doing, i find it most difficult to listen to her perform -- i just don't like country. izzzzz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:19:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Awake To: email_address_removed Subject: Spanish speakers/Progressive rock Message-ID: Para los amantes del rock progresivo, aqui les doy la direccion de La Caja de Musica. Es una lista de correo donde se habla del rock progresivo en general. Va desde Yes hasta Dream Theater. Se pueden dar opiniones, recomendaciones, noticias, etc. Echenle un ojo! http://nuvol.uji.es/~inesta/Music/LCDM/ Si no les interesa, pero saben de alguna otra persona ala que le podria interesar, por favor envienle este e-mail. Gracias! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 20:44:21 +0200 From: "David Van Glabeke" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: JP page OFFLINE Message-ID: <000001bdee34$ab12fba0$9d09eec3@david> Sorry , but The John Petrucci Unofficial Homepage is currently offline .. problems with server .. KILL SERVERS !! :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 15:21:27 -0400 From: Brian Larkin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT, FII and LTE. Message-ID: CyberDuke responded to Dave's post: >OK, Anna Lee is AWESOME song, as the others, very catchy melodies etc. Here I thought I was the only 'jammer who absolutely LOVES "Anna Lee". I know it has that Elton-John-ish sound to it, but hey, DT do it BETTER. This song has grown on me a lot more than I thought it would when I first heard it a year ago. And it sounded GREAT live, as well. As far as the other "poppy" tunes on FII, "Hollow Years" still sounds as good as ever (also a great live one), but YNM and TAMP have lost flavor, especially since I now have a copy of the TAMP demo (which I like a LOT better). >But my concern is not this, I like FII. My concern is future DT albums. >And this guy Dave try to point out that there is a chance for DT to go >into commercial waters. Again, as he said, just opinion and something to >discuss about. I dunno ... I don't think DT will ever put out an album FULL of pop/commercial songs. I have thought that possibly FII WAS "DT's radio-friendly album", and that what will follow will have just as much of its own identity. I look at WDADU as "DT's technical/dramatic album"; I&W as "DT's prog opus", Awake as "DT's heavy/dark album", and ACOS as "DT's prog masterpiece and tribute cover show". Each album has concentrated on a certain aspect or element of the band and its influences. Basically, all I'm hoping for with the next album is that it's DIFFERENT, that DT don't rehash anything they've already done. (I actually hope Metropolis II isn't *too* similar to I ... as good of course, but with its own ID.) FII did explore commercial waters to an extent, and the band's influences became a lot more apparent. Hopefully they won't continue in that direction, not for the sake of not becoming commercial, but for unpredictability, creativity, and all of the other things DT have become known for (as well as things they *haven't* become known for *yet*). LTE? It did cross my mind as being a possible outlet of *some* sort. You have to remember though, the whole concept of LTE was about MP collaborating with 3 other musicians, *one* of whom he decided was going to be JP. I wonder if it was really about having a "progressive outlet of creativity" outside of DT, which seemed to be moving in a different direction, but I doubt it. Either way, I love the LTE album, and can't wait for the new one next year. (1999, hell yeah ... hopefully my first YtseCon, a new DT album, a new LTE album, Platypus, new QR, new Pantera ... next year is looking GREAT already!!!) My $.0000002, Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:29:13 -0500 (CDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Matt returns + re: FII and the test of time Message-ID: Hi, long time since Ive posted, but schools back in session :-( and I havent had much time to read a lot of my mail. Anyway.... <> well, I think I can solve this problem... most CD players have a program thingy on them, so, just program in the songs you want it to play, and then, you only get those songs, whithout the struggle of having to skip track after track (ie. YNM, HY, AL - at least those are the ones I usually pass over). problem solved. Matt ===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica ===================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:48:18 -0500 (CDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT and Macedonia Message-ID: <> looks like SOMEONE hasnt been listening to much King Crimson, hmmm? ;-) They are probably the only prog rock band I can think of (with the possible exception of Rush, who never went mainstream, at least for most of the part, yet we can't forget Time Stand Still, can we?) that never commercialized. In fact, I'll even say that they got a tad stranger since they first started. I dont think DT would try to go totally mainstream, though, it really would be a waste of their talent and I know that the bulk of their fans would leave if they did (ala M*ta*lica). But then again, the fans shouldn't decide their musical direction, they can do what they want, but I still can't picture a guitarist like Petrucci or a drummer like Portnoy doing mainstream or commercial stuff and no prog. BTW, I was wondering if Petrucci's ever given though to doing a solo album like Vai Morse or DiMeola. I think that would kick arse. Matt ===================================================== "A daily dose of eMpTyV "Following our instinct will flush your mind not a trend. Go against right down the drain." the grain until the end." -Dream Theater -Metallica ===================================================== ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4313 **************************