YTSEJAM Digest 4283 Today's Topics: 1) re: APSoG by Brian Hansen 2) Re:outdoorsman JP by email_address_removed 3) DON'T SKIP THIS POST! by Bert Baldwin 4) ndtc: banning clockwork orange by Joshua Rasiel 5) Re: Angra's Fireworks by Peter Geerts 6) The Banning of A Clockwork Orange by Nigel Bridgeman 7) Jordan killed the Kevin vs. Derek debate? by email_address_removed 8) DT with Jordan Rudess by Constabl 9) I gotta have LTE! Dag Namnit! by Evan + Vanessa Thomson 10) Re: Grey Areas by TheCowGod 11) Grey areas! SHUT THE F**K up!! by email_address_removed 12) Re: totally indifferent by AL 13) Re: APSoG by AL 14) DT in The Simpsons? by "Mc-Merc" 15) My recent prog/metal purchases and music lists by "Tetsu Hamanaka" 16) Re: music blvd URL by Dan Temmesfeld 17) RE: YTSEJAM digest 4278 by "oliverp" 18) NEW DT HATS in about by Vaiman 19) DTIFC Thanks by ASHLEY WONG ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 16:06:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen To: email_address_removed Subject: re: APSoG Message-ID: Oysterman wrote: > Don't you think Fates Warning's "A Pleasant Shade of Gray" is WAY overestimated? > I bought it a while ago, and it disappointed me. Really. Seems so stiff and artificial. > Is that Fates Warning at their best? Then I won't buy any more of their CDs... Damn! Did I leave Fates Warning bashing off of my list of forbidden subjects? ;o) Actually this was another very controversial topic. Lots of people left the jam after that one. I wrote a lot about it at the time, so I won't say a lot now. APSoG may be considered Fates best. It's different than all the others. It only has one guitarist. All the other Fates recordings had 2 guitars and a heavier sound. "Awaken the Guardian" is the best of the first phase of Fates (with John Arch singing), while "No Exit" may be the best of the second edition of Fates (after Ray Alder took over on vocals). (Hardcore Fates fans may call the addition of Mark Zonder on drums the third phase of Fates) APSoG could be considered the first recording of a new phase, with only one guitar and more keyboards. It's mellower, and hell, it had Kevin Moore playing keyboards. That made it more appealling to DT fans. Fates is a very subtle band, so it may take awhile to get into them, if you ever do. Some people just consider them boring. Hope that makes sense. my $.02, BH _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:53:34 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re:outdoorsman JP Message-ID: In a message dated 98-09-18 19:10:03 EDT, you write: << Umm, REALLY, is Johnny P into gardening then? ;-) So he IS an outdoor boy??????? >> wait a minute if he's a outdoorsman then where is his tan!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:12:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin To: The YtseJam mailing list Subject: DON'T SKIP THIS POST! Message-ID: I hate fueling the fire on such a topic (Those of you who just decided to hit the pagedown button -- DON'T!), because when I watch people respond to such a dumb thread, I always think, "Why don't they just stop?" However, I had something to say, and unfortuantely, the only way to say it is to respond to a thread which I don't want to live. Don't get me wrong, I don't really mind the discussions about Kevin and Derek. I, personally, don't read them all that much, but I have a pagedown key, so I can skip them. It doesn't bother me all that much. Here's what bothers me (KEEP READING!): The whole thread is no longer a Derek vs. Kevin thread. It's now a you-flame-me I'll-flame-you thread, disguised under the Key Wars subject line. To the people who are complaining about not being able to talk about this because you're new, you need to realize something. By responding with SO MUCH FORCE, SO MANY TIMES about being squelched on the list, you're merely fueling the fire of the people who are going to cut you down for doing it. And to the people who are doing the squelching: just stop. It's very simple, really. If you don't want to read a post, skip it. Just keep going. If someone wants to talk about Key Wars, let them. If you think it's a waste of time, then don't waste your time on it. But don't stop everyone else from wasting their time in whatever way they wish. I personally don't care for the thread, but I can live with it being there. Just please, don't post ten flames per jam under the topic of Kevin vs. Derek. To both camps: moderate yourselves, eh? Thanks for reading (all of you who are still with me), and have a good one -- Trying to stay somewhat neutral -- -- Bert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:25:21 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel To: email_address_removed Subject: ndtc: banning clockwork orange Message-ID: For the life of me, I can never understand how even the filthiest, most disturbing, most violent film in the world somehow ends up being more dangerous than a high-powered assault rifle. Instead of regulating the guns that blow people's heads off, we're going to regulate movies that show you a picture, on a screen, in 2d, projected from a wall and of no actual danger to anyone, of the gun. ...................................................................................... Joshua Rasiel email_address_removed www.j51.com/~mrasiel "I'm just standing up for my rights - as a consumer." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:50:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Geerts To: Majesty Subject: Re: Angra's Fireworks Message-ID: To the guy/gal who posted about Angra's Fireworks: Picked up the album a couple of days ago... Pretty impressive, if I may say so. This is really an excellent disc, though I can already say that I think I'll like Holy Land better in the end. What I noticed is that the song structure of much of the songs is always the same: intro / verse / chorus / verse / chorus / middle part (I admit it: the 'Middle Parts' are always just GREAT) / repeat chorus. What I mean is that I just know where the really good stuff is on this CD: in the middle of each song. After hearing a song or three it gets a bit predictable. But hey, still is a great album, with some very Dt-ish moments in it (I don't remember which parts exactly, but i'll post more detailed comments when I'm more familiar with the album). Zaphod ============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* email_address_removed.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122636 First year's Social Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium Voorzitter JVS Orion Mechelen ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:02:59 +1000 From: Nigel Bridgeman To: email_address_removed Subject: The Banning of A Clockwork Orange Message-ID: Hi If I remember correctly, the censors in Britain wanted to cut A Clockwork Orange in parts but, rather than let them chop up his film, director Stanley Kubrick decided that he wouldn't let it be shown in anything other than its original form. I'm pretty sure that's what happened, although I may be thinking of another film from that time (The Exorcist, perhaps, which was also banned) but I'm sure it was ACW. So Kubrick effectively banned it himself. Nigel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:43:27 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Jordan killed the Kevin vs. Derek debate? Message-ID: > I think > this performance makes the Kevin vs. Derek wars obsolete. They both SUCK > compared to Jordan! :) Seriously though, I'd love to hear the rest of this > show. I don't know if they played it, but I'd love to hear Mr. Rudess's > interpretation of Learning To Live. I'd imagine Jordan's interpretation of LtL would be exactly as the sheet music he is handed 2 minutes before the performance. While that is quite a feat to have achieved this level of proficiency, it by no means makes him a superior musician. LTE allows us to see that Jordan is not only a superior technician / sight reader, he can also hold his own improvising. However, Jordan's style just seems to be so NOT Dream Theater to me. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 01:22:29 -0400 From: Constabl To: YtseJam Subject: DT with Jordan Rudess Message-ID: is this from a boot and if so which one? The quality is fukin awesome!! i would love to hear some more. marc -- http://www.angelfire.com/pa/constabl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 16:27:25 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson To: email_address_removed Subject: I gotta have LTE! Dag Namnit! Message-ID: Hello I am a regular reader (since before the switch to @ax.com) and a irregular poster. I am faced with a problem - I live in Melbourne, Australia. I have tried to import LTE through one of our major CD shops (JB HiFi) but they cannot get it in. The only other idea I had was to organise some kind of swap with one of you numerous US folk. I could buy it from CDNOW, but our AUS$ is currently at an all time low (0.57) - which would mean it would cost me heaps. I would be happy to buy a US person a similarly hard to find Aussie CD maybe? Or just a straight CD swap? Please help me out - I've waited far too long to get this CD! Thanks in advance Evan email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:30:12 -0400 From: TheCowGod To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Grey Areas Message-ID: >I've never dealt with Mike, and don't plan to...:) which is a good thing since he stopped selling boots :) BTW you suck. the fact is the oh so holy Skadz himself deemed most of those as off limits on this, His holy list. So you don't really get to say "fuck skadz, i'm gonna talk about it anyway." cuz then you die. or at least get kicked off the mailing list. but i bet he'd do something really cool too like subscribe you to a bunch of gay porn mailing lists. not that i have a problem with gay porn, i'm a big fan of it myself, but apparently some people tend to find it distasteful, so we can use it against them. and if you didn't catch that, nearly everything i said was a joke. except the part abotu skadz. moo. *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:40:51 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Grey areas! SHUT THE F**K up!! Message-ID: Okay, now that I have your attention: First, I might start off by saying in response to Kevin Carmouche's "Grey Areas" post. I agree with your post 'a little' and that is it. Most of your post is so 'against the grain' that I was downright pissed off when I read it. I might start off by saying that I was booted from the jam for stating my opinion once, and what I posted wasn't near the caliber of how 'off the deep end' you went. You broke EVERY SINGLE FREAKING RULE of the ytsejam, and quite honestly I won't be surprised if you are gone quite quickly. Your protest may be warrented (in your opinion) but your approach wasn't the least bit professional or tactful. The rules were listed to you when you joined the ytsejam, and you didn't adhere to them. Why are these rules in place, you ask? To prevent the "rehashing" of certain items that were posted and re-posted a million times cluttering mailboxes with useless ytsejams that were so off key that they were rendered uninteresting. All of the grey areas are items that were so controversial that they were considered "dead". If you aren't willing to consider them "dead" find somewhere else to talk about them, because I'm tired (and I know many others are tired) of hearing (reading) about it. Why did I subscribe to the ytsejam? I subscribed to the ytsejam to hear more about updated DT stuff, rare bootlegs, hot prog and prog metal info and to hear opinions about the music I listen to. It once found the re-hashed topics interesting (like 2 years ago) but I have heard them so many times that I am bored with it. Kevin Carmouche wrote something to the effect of "If you don't like to hear about this, don't read it or skip it" or something like that. I'm not willing to do that when I get 5 ytsejams in my mailbox about the same damn topic! It's a dead thread for god's sake! I've learned in the past that if you want to end a problem or critisize a problem, you should offer a solution: Here's my solution, read the Frequently asked Questions. They can be found by going to www.dreamtheater.net, there is a link to the site. Read them and all pertanant band related info can be found. In summary, I respect all ytsejammers. In fact, I consider all ytsejammers extended members of my family. But when someone blatenly disregards to rules by which we are governed, I get a little "hot headed" and angry. I'm going to start hangin' with Korg.. he knows where the beer is.. I need one right now : ) I hope I can now step off my soap box. Later, J ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 03:14:43 -0500 From: AL To: retaehT maerD Subject: Re: totally indifferent Message-ID: schnipp wrote: >Just fuckin' seize the fuckin' day... I love it! Hehehe... -- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 03:36:18 -0500 From: AL To: retaehT maerD Subject: Re: APSoG Message-ID: Rob wrote: (Hey, that sounds like a movie) > I could see from my own point of view a reason one might say that, as it >is quite "technical" at times, but no more than any DT in my opinion. I found >that I didn't like the CD at first, except for a couple parts. The album as a >whole is a little too moody, and if fact, just too damn big to take in all at >once, the first time. But, I also found that after listening to just a couple >different parts at a time over the period of time, I started to better know >the parts as separate songs. It then all started to come together in my mind. >Then I started listening to it straight through, and it is now one of my >favorite CDs in my collection. The album, like any music, isn't for everybody >and is perhaps the case with this person ^ . I had the same experience as you with APSoG. (My first FW purchase) It did spark my interests enough to buy Parallels. Shortly after that I bought EVERY other Fates CD. (Post JA vocals) APSoG, and every other Fates Warning CD will get regular rotation until I assume room temperature. The 16 year old daughter is a closet Fates fan. (She will not admit she likes them, But every time I want to listen to Parallels I have to remove it from her room) PS. I have caught her with Inside Out & Perfect Symmetry more than once. -- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Any President who lies to the American people should resign." --Bill Clinton during his run for the House of Representatives in 1974 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:03:19 +1000 From: "Mc-Merc" To: "YTSEJAM" Subject: DT in The Simpsons? Message-ID: <001301bde3ac$5da7ccc0$f6f758cb@ld-bp> Hello! This is my 30th. post in about one year! I don't think I'll ever make it to the Most Frequent Poster championships! It's likely that this has been covered in the Jam before but, I was wondering about the possibilities of having DT in The Simpsons. How did Aerosmith or U2 ever get into the show? Does it depend on the personal taste of the creators? Or can it be arranged? Thx! British Petrol? No, just Bernardo Pulgar. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:30:11 PDT From: "Tetsu Hamanaka" To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: My recent prog/metal purchases and music lists Message-ID: Hello, ytsejammers!! Recetly, I bought some discs at local Tower Record. Labyrinth "Return to Heaven Denied" (Prog Metal) Jag Panzer "The Fourth Judgement" (Heavy/Power Metal, featuring Joey Tafolla and Harry "Tyrant" Coklin) Spock's Beard "The Light" (Prog Rock-kind of 90's brightest hope retro-prog sounding) Joe Stump "Rapid Fire Rondo" (Neo-Classical/Heavy&Hard Rock) I will check these cds tonight. If you have any opinion on These albums and artists. Please give me any other suggestios. This week I listened and enjoyed John Wetton-Chasing the Dragon (live in Japan) Rush-Chronicles Threshold Without Warning Saga Tarot Ok, take care and enjoy music. Tetsu Hamanaka np:Spock's Beard-The Light Tetsu Hamanaka ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 08:26:18 -0400 From: Dan Temmesfeld To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Re: music blvd URL Message-ID: matt, a URL for the discount is... http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/24809_42_0000026262 (i think it starts at an artist page [GC], but you can easily get out of it on to other artists...) Dan +--- ---+ Dan Temmesfeld Galactic Cowboys on the Web email_address_removed http://www.dlm.net/gc/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "He who laughs last thinks slowest" +--- ---+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:12:06 +0200 From: "oliverp" To: Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 4278 Message-ID: <000501bde305$ef672d60$08b14b82@ollis> Hello there, just a quick Q: to all the European, esp. the German Jammers: I keep asking my local record dealer now for about 3 Weeks if the PLATYPUS album is out now. And from what they tell me, it's on their list but still not available yet. No, it's not confirmed if it's been pushed back to Jan. '99. 'Cause I think that some jammers already listet WPCTS on their NP list. BTW, my local record dealer isn't one of those whose first comment on anything besides mainstream music is 'Who? What?' So, any comments? Arash? Thanks a lot, Oliver from Germany, the land where 'Still Life' is already out. Sorry, had to say that... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:14:00 -0700 From: Vaiman To: email_address_removed Subject: NEW DT HATS in about Message-ID: NEW DT HATS: * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I HAVE the NEW DT Ytsejam International EMBROIDERED hats ordered. They should be here in about 10-15 days. As soon as they come in, I will get a picture on the net. They are a good quality hat with nice embroider work. If you have ANY questions or info, please feel free to write me! thanks, Todd S. email_address_removed * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 17:30 +0200 From: ASHLEY WONG To: email_address_removed Subject: DTIFC Thanks Message-ID: --- Received from ETL.ETLAYWG +44-1444-231883 98-09-19 17:30 -> ytsejam(a)ax.com Hello All, It's my birthday tommorrow (Sun). I'm hitting the penultimate two-nine, so after 25 you tend to forget about birthdays :). But I got a really nice suprise in the post - a birthday greeting = rd from card from DTIFC and a smart little badge with the DT logo on it. Thanks Neil, it made my day after finishing late on a Friday :) See you later, Ash. ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4283 **************************