YTSEJAM Digest 4223 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Live CD by "John E. Martin" 2) Re: Robert Fripp and his league of crappy guitar cysts. by Syrinx 3) Re: Janet Jackson by Manuel 4) Vai/Evh/ Fripp by Ernesto Schnack 5) So you want to check out Zappa... by Ernesto Schnack 6) DT Posters by email_address_removed 7) A revisit to a respin on an old theme: Simplicity by "Mark Philpot" 8) Re: Robert Fripp and his league of crappy guitar cysts. by thecowgod 9) Re: Jazz recommendations by "Metzger, Mark" 10) Re: Robert Fripp and his league of crappy guitar cysts. by Syrinx 11) Re: Vai/Evh/ Fripp by Syrinx 12) UNSUSCRIBE email_address_removed by "GARAUD St?phane" 13) Time machine by Peter Geerts 14) Re: UNSUSCRIBE email_address_removed by Matthew Johnston 15) Powermaddening '98 by Lobsterback 16) Unsubscriptions by Rogerio Brito 17) Re: images and words overdubs by "Michael Velders" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:50:02 -0700 From: "John E. Martin" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Live CD Message-ID: At 10:27 AM 8/24/98 -0700, you wrote: > >Hi jammers!! > >AGAIN, THE SAME QUESTION: > >Can anybody, please, tell me if the upcomming live CD will contain >tracks from the dutch acoustic show? I've checked out UACM web page and >according to Mr. Portnoy it will only cover the Paris concert. How about >the acoustic songs? Alright, follow the lines... 1. MP puts up the list of tracks on the live cd 2. We all look at the list of tracks on the live cd 3. You ask if these others songs are going to be on the live cd 4. We ignore you because we read the list of tracks on the live cd 5. You ask again if these other songs are going to be on the live cd 6. You get flamed because you didn't read the list right which obviously doesn't have these other songs that you wanted to hear on the live cd 7. You read the list again and notice that these other songs ARE NOT going to be on the live cd and quit posting such lame ass questions that could have been answered by a simple amount of reading. Peace, love, harmony, and life without ignorance... it's all I ask. -sp00L ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:49:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx To: Matthew Johnston Subject: Re: Robert Fripp and his league of crappy guitar cysts. Message-ID: > > On the other hand, I realize that even good musicians have brainfarts. > > I'm willing to give ol' frippy boy a second shot. Is there any album > > that any jammer can recommend for me? I've got an pretty open mind for > > music, but there are SOME limits, dude. Ol' robby-boy has onne final > > chance of redemption before his disc gets used as a beer saucer. > > Try Larks Tongues In Aspic or Red by King Crimson (Fripp's other band ^_^) > Both impressed me a lot. Red is my fav of the two, even though I bought > LTiA first. Fripp burns it up -- really heavy, unspeakably so in the > context of 1973/74. Really cool stuff, and Bill Bruford on drums to boot! LTiA is actually the first album Bruford drummed on for KC. Although LTiA is a classic, i'd hold out until he/they got into the more accessable stuff. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email_address_removed / email_address_removed erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:06:11 +0200 From: Manuel To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Janet Jackson Message-ID: Dushko said: <> My opinion: "I hate Pop, I hate Soul, keep METAL shining everywhere I go!!!" (Modern Metal Talking) DRYHEAT (...in Houston they say that?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack To: email_address_removed Subject: Vai/Evh/ Fripp Message-ID: > Why is this? I think it is because Vai's style is the carefully-honed style > of many hours of daily practive. Petrucci sounds A LOT like Vai while > playing fast runs. So do many other guitarists who have invested a lot of > time practicing their picking. Satch sounds A LOT like Vai when playing > legato passages. > Soooooo what your saying is that dedicated practicing leads to some kind of uniform sound? bzzzzt. Vai and Petrucci sound veeeery different when playing speed-picking runs. In fact I could tell Vai, Satch, and JP's playing a mile away. No matter how hard you practice, it's nearly impossible to sound exactly like someone else. There are many nuances like the angle of the pick, where in the guitar you pick, vibrato, etc, etc.. Nobody can sound exactly like EVH, or Vai, or Stach, or Petrucci, or (insert your fave guitarist here) To the guy who was disappointed with The League of Crafty Guitarists CD (Show of Hands, right). If you havent already mutilated it into tiny bits, put it back on. First of all, skip the singing lady. Now listen carefully to the music. Yeah, i know, on a first listen it kinda sounds all the same. But listen carefully to the interaction of the instruments. Remember there are at times up to like 14 guitarists playing at once..and there are no synths or effects. So you get guitar parts that sound like a delay or echo and so forth. The interaction is truly incredible. There is also one tune where they go around, each playing one note of the medley. If you really immerse yourself in the music it can be a great experience...same with most of Fripp's solo stuff. But if you just wanna hear him shred, then get some King Crimson:) Ernesto _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:03:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack To: email_address_removed Subject: So you want to check out Zappa... Message-ID: I dont remember who originally wanted to check out Zappa, or if he cares anymore, but for anybody that's interested, here's a little guide: I divide Zappa's music into 4 basic groups: 1. First his most popular. The pop/rock music. Musically it's generally quite accesible, but the lyrics tend to be VERY satirical. He sings just about every thing that makes uptight people get there panties in a bunch. If you are easily offended, stay away from this. Good albums: Sheik Yerbouti, You Are What You Is, Apostorphe, Overnite Sensation, We're Only In it For the Money, Joe's Garage. 2. Then there's his complex jazz-rock instrumental music. What some might call 'prog'. Some of these are very jam-oriented with some jazz-type soloing. Others are very intricately written , and ridiculously complex, arrangemenst. This music overlaps a lot into his pop-rock music too. Good Albums: Hot Rats, Waka-Jawaka, Grand Wazoo. Albums with 'overlap', or mix of pop=rock, and instrumentals: Zappa in New York(my personal fave), One Size Fits All, Ship Arriving too Late to Save a Drowning Witch 3. Guitar solos. Zappa liked to solo. A LOT :) But they werent pretty solos, and they were all improvised. He also liked to solo over repetitive, non-moving vamps. Sheik Yerbouti and Joe's Garage have a good sample of his soloing. If you really like these, go on and get Shut Up and PLay 'Yer Guitar. 4. Orchestral Music. This is what Frank was really into, especially towards the end of his career. You have to understand, when he was thirteen, this guy was into Webern, Stravinsky, and Varese just as much as he was into Blues and Rock. Varese was his idol. He read everything he could about him, just like many of us do with DT. His music is atonal, but still humorous in that Zappa way. But dont expect any Mozart or Beethoven from this guy. Good Albums: The Yellow Shark, London Symphony Orchestra. Now of course this isnt set in stone. All of this tends to get mixed together, and there is so much more to Zappa's music than these 4 styles. If you want to get a sort of 'smorgasboard' of it all, then get the 3 CD 'Lather'. (Which is not a live album as someone said. It does containg live tracks, but there are also a lot of studio tracks) Enjoy, Ern _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:17:48 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: DT Posters Message-ID: i'm wondering if there's anywhere on the web, besides Concert Poster, where i can get any dream theater posters? thanx in advance for your submission ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:32:38 -0700 From: "Mark Philpot" To: Subject: A revisit to a respin on an old theme: Simplicity Message-ID: <000301bdcf95$f3dd8660$428c15cf@markphil> Jam, I was listening to the demo version of TAMP again in my car and this thou= ght struck me... As prog fans (myself included), we like to be bombarded with everything a= t once; every musical and emotional idea must be expressed in the most comp= lex forms and then left up to us, the listeners to decode the meaning... Occasionally, I believe we fail to see or imediately push off the simple ideas, while they may carry the deepest message. TAMP is extremely emotional, and that is it's underlying message. When I listen to the studio version, that message occasionally gets lost because= of technical musical influnces in that version. Personally, loss, remorse, = and coping with that do not really go along with an upbeat drum pattern and o= nly little fluxuations in volume. Now don't get me wrong on two accounts... = I love both versions because they are both different and unique each in the= ir own way. Additionally the complexity of a song like LtL is simply incredible. LtL is probably one of my all time favorites because of it's complexity, emotion, and message all intricately rolled into one phenomen= al song. However, when I listen to the demo of TAMP, more of the sheer emot= ion is communicated to me in the song. When Derek and John do their loud bui= ld up to the chorus, I can feel the anger, and with James comming in, "Take away my pain" is completely moving. Finally, in the quite part in the middle where it is just James and Derek, James does an incredible job of making me FEEL the loss. While on the overall scale, the studio version would be more "prog," the simplicity of the studio version is what makes me really like it. The sa= me is like Space-Dye Vest... While not a complex song at all, the meaning a= nd emotion in Kevin's writting commes across without all the technical music= al instances, which COULDN"T go along with a song like SDV. Any I felt moved to express my opinion, and I hope I don't open a rift agian. Everyone take it easy in these fleeting weeks before school starts (mine starts in a week)... and I am truely sorry for those poor souls already commited to this ungodly institution. =3D) Mark Philpot Music Creations Limited http://www.ccnet.com/~griphiam/musiccreations.htm "In the Stream of Consciousness there is a river crying living comes much easier once we admit we're dying." =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -Dream Theater "Lines in the Sand" "One of the greatest labor-saving inventions of today is tomorrow" - Vincent T. Foss ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:23:52 -0700 From: thecowgod To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Robert Fripp and his league of crappy guitar cysts. Message-ID: >Discipline (1981) > > The first album with the 80's lineup: Fripp, Bruford, Tony Levin >(bass, stick), and Adrian Belew (vocals, guitar). This, along with the chapman stick existed back then? i thought it was a relatively new invention. moo. *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 15:54:37 -0400 From: "Metzger, Mark" To: "'(ytsejam)'" Subject: Re: Jazz recommendations Message-ID: >> For the playing that will make you think DT is maybe not the >> pinnacle you thought they were, check out Return to Forever's >> "Romantic Warrior." There is not a person on this list whose >> jaw will not drop listening to this one. And if you like Romantic Warrior, you owe it to yourself to pick up Chick Corea's "Friends" CD. This can be had for about $6 in the Nice Price bins. Dont puke when you see the stupid smurfs on the cover - buy it anyway. No goofy sound effects like on Romantic Warrior. 1-2 songs are a little straight forward but the remainder will blow your mind. "Cappuccino" is the single most intense song that I have heard, period. Steve Gadd (drums) is a monster. And, because these guys were/still are po-musicians, this all took place on the 1-2 takes of studio time that they could afford !! Some more good news is that when converting this record to digital, they actually did a fantastic job (given what they had to begin with). If you like jazz, you will know that this sadly not always a given. Hey - I dont just bang my head !! Later, Mark Metzger email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:02:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx To: thecowgod Subject: Re: Robert Fripp and his league of crappy guitar cysts. Message-ID: > >Discipline (1981) > > > > The first album with the 80's lineup: Fripp, Bruford, Tony Levin > >(bass, stick), and Adrian Belew (vocals, guitar). This, along with > > the chapman stick existed back then? i thought it was a relatively new > invention. moo. As far as I know, Tony's been using it since the late 70's - rememeber he's the one who brought the Stick to it's fame (check out the opening section of _Elephant Talk_ - yes, kids, that's all stick). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email_address_removed / email_address_removed erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:03:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx To: Ernesto Schnack Subject: Re: Vai/Evh/ Fripp Message-ID: > But if you just wanna hear him shred, then get some King Crimson:) ..or if you want to cry, pick up "A Blessing Of Tears" - a soundscape album deadicated to the death of his mother. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email_address_removed / email_address_removed erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:09:06 PDT From: "GARAUD St?phane" To: email_address_removed Subject: UNSUSCRIBE email_address_removed Message-ID: Thank you veru much to unsuscribe me of your mailing list UNSUSCRIBE email_address_removed Best Regards. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:18:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Geerts To: Majesty Subject: Time machine Message-ID: I don't know if my previous message got through to the jam so again: Does anyone know a band named Time Machine (Italian I think). They have some sort of 'Galileo' album... Anybody know if this is worth checking out? tnx Peter ============================================================================== Peter Geerts *QUOTE* email_address_removed.ac.be "HELP!" (The Beatles) ICQ: 13122636 First year's Social Sciences Student, Leuven University, Belgium Voorzitter JVS Orion Mechelen ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:21:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Johnston To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: UNSUSCRIBE email_address_removed Message-ID: Funny, they were smart enough to *get on* the list... DTC: Do you think that maybe the reason the concerts have all started consistantly early is because the ticket times are for ELP rather than DT? (maybe they think the old timers wouldn't like DT and are just deciding for them... ^_^) --Matt --------------------------------------------------- "Never worry about theory as long as the machinery does what it's supposed to do." --R. A. Heinlein --------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 16:37:53 -0400 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: Powermaddening '98 Message-ID: Maybe it's just me, but I don't think I'd mind smacking Keith Menser around a bit. Okay, a lot. That festival was about as organized as a church youth group kickball game. The show started/ended at drastically different (and unposted) times each day (indirectly causing me to miss at least one kickass band, Soundscape). And nobody, not even the staff, had any idea what bands were playing, in what order, etc. Not to mention the fact that several of the bands "slated" to play (Symphony-X, Digital Ruin, etc.) *didn't*, or that the webpage looks like it was programmed by a 12-year-old (a collection of broken links, outdated or incorrect information, yadda yadda), or that we didn't even receive the promo CDs we were promised, or... Were I in a band playing, I'd be pretty pissed at the size of the audience as well. Why bother to hold an event like this if you're not going to promote it / advertize? Boggles the mind. End of vent. One question regarding band nomenclature. What was the name of the vaguely FW-ish band that immediately preceeded Division (who kick considerable ass live, btw)? They borrowed Division's equipment even. I missed their introduction. In other news, I dropped well over $200 at the assorted festival-sanctioned music vendors. Guess I'll have to cut back on the little excesses in my life for awhile. Like food, water, and shelter. Brian "The Funky Tramp" Henderson =================================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ His Faithful Bootleg Page: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/Musik/Boot/ =================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:49:38 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Unsubscriptions Message-ID: On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Matthew Johnston wrote: > Funny, they were smart enough to *get on* the list... That's the reason why some of the mailing lists dedicated to computer subjects (bugtraq, for instance) usually: * make the process of subscription in two ways - you send the message to the address, it returns the message to the address you're trying to subscribe (and this also helps to avoid people forging subscritions) and only then you subscribe with a cookie the server sent you; * periodically, the list unsubscribes everybody, so only people really interested in the discussions keep on subscribing. This gets rid of people who are subscribed by "inertia", that is, people who are only subscribed because they're lazy to unsubscribe. These policies also help to avoid a very loaded computer/server distributing the messages of the list. Perhaps that would be interesting to have in Ytsejam. :-) This way, only people ACTUALLY interested in the list keep their subscriptions. []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:11:30 PDT From: "Michael Velders" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: images and words overdubs Message-ID: Yeah, what boot. Can I have a copy. I'll pay through the teeth! :-) > > >Hey J.... > > >>From: "L. Jason Hartman" >>him recording them in the "Making of I&W's" boot video. He's got a > >WHAT BOOT VIDEO???? > >MORE INFO PLEASE!!!!!!! > >thank you, >POJ =o) > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4223 **************************