YTSEJAM Digest 4217 Today's Topics: 1) Soulfly.. IMHO by email_address_removed 2) Re: DT persuasion tape suggestions please!, FII, Platypus by email_address_removed 3) Drummers Job. by email_address_removed 4) DT in Cuyahoga Falls, OH by Dan Temmesfeld 5) 2am by "Thomas Forcier" 6) Re: Click Tracks (Ok I'll shut up now) by "Younis Hilal" 7) fates warning by "Alex Smith" 8) Christian Progressive bands by email_address_removed (BC: Webtv Ytsejammer) 9) Re: Derek Eruption by Jeroen 10) Re: Tour recommendation, Angra disc, Stratovarius, etc. by "Bj?rnar Bevolden" 11) Liquid tension experiment!!! by "The Embraced" 12) Re: Christian Progressive bands by email_address_removed.be (Tony De Laender) 13) Tapping/Van Halen/Orchids by NGA 14) Dear Korgy - Minnesota Ytse-casino meeting - Derek doll by AL 15) Re: Persuasion Tape by Peter Geerts 16) low-fi iron maiden+metallica by "Heiko Becker" 17) My $.02 on Van Halen by email_address_removed 18) Kevin Moore IRC Chat (and tips on getting there!) by Gary Davis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:42:55 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Soulfly.. IMHO Message-ID: Neil wrote: SOULFLY - Soulfly Can anybody still remember the shock when it was announced that Max Cavalera would be leaving Sepultura (for me almost as sad as when Kyuss announced they would be splitting)? Remember thinking it was the end of a musical era? Well the good news is here - Max's new band Soulfly continues where Chaos A.D. and Roots left off, only harder and better. The first track 'Eye For An Eye' is like a fist in your face, from which you don't recover for the rest of the album. Killer riffs, Max's unique vocal style, gut wrenching bass lines and an amazing percussion performance all add up to a roller coaster album that takes you from one climax to another, all of this wrapped up with tribal rhythms, hip hop/crossover and some very interesting samples. But Max has managed to avoid the trap of simply becoming a copy of Sepultura - Soulfly is more and tries (successfully) things that Sepultura never did. If, according to a certain Mike Portnoy, balls and chunk is where it's at, then this album is 100% where it's at. Unfortunately I can't give more than 10/10 IMHO, This band sucked live. I saw them at Ozzfest and I was terribly bored. I am usually intrigued to hear new bands. But I was sorely disappointed with Soulfly.. In fact I couldn't wait until they left the stage so I could see Megadeth. I hope the studio album is much better. I may pick it up to see if it's much better on disc. I did that with Coal Chamber is was much happier. Coal Chamber is great on disc, but aweful in concert. Just my .02 Later, J ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:49:45 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT persuasion tape suggestions please!, FII, Platypus Message-ID: I recently created the perfect 90 minute DT tape for playing in my car. Whenever someone is in the car with me, they ALWAYS ask who the band is. Pretty cool. Anyways, here is the tracklisting: Side A: Take the Time Hell's Kitchen Lines in the Sand Metropolis Just let me Breathe Bombay Vindaloo Side B: The Mirror New Millenium Learning to Live Erotomania Trial of Tears Each side runs a little bit over 46 minutes. Most tapes have a little extra room, so you shouldn't have any problems fitting this on a 90 minute tape. The songs from FII sound so good compared the other songs on the tape. Call me strange, but I think FII is my favorite album of all time! I loved from the very first listen and I still do! Derek is awesome and the production is great. Those of you who want another Images and Words should get a life. DT wants to sound DIFFERENT on every album (every song actually). Variety is the most important thing I look for in a band. I hate bands that always sound the same. I hope DT continues to change in the future. Change is good! I downloaded the mp3 of "Platt Opus" and I think it is great! It grooves. That part towards the end where someone says the definition of a platypus is funny as hell. Can't wait till I can get my hands on the album (January...long wait). -Ian Flames will be ignored ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:53:12 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Drummers Job. Message-ID: Just a small detail. The drummers job is, in my opinion, not to keep the beat. If you are famous players and you can't keep beat, you shouldn't be famous. The drummers job is to keep the GROOVE, which is very different. That's my philosophy on drumming. **I can see what you mean about GROOVE, considering music today.. but it really is the job of the drummer to keep time (unless you are Carter Beuford (sp.) in which you don't play the groove, you accentuate the pulse.) You can't tell me that MP doesn't keep the time for DT. He does. In fact, they wouldn't be able to do the awesome shit they do, without him to keep the time. (within reason) Just my honest opinion... : ) Later, J ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 01:36:07 -0400 From: Dan Temmesfeld To: email_address_removed Subject: DT in Cuyahoga Falls, OH Message-ID: whew!!!! these guys fuckin' blow me away every time... even only 6 songs/50 minutes...it was worth the $35 i paid. Dan +--- ---+ Dan Temmesfeld Galactic Cowboys on the Web email_address_removed http://www.dlm.net/gc/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "He who laughs last thinks slowest" +--- ---+ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 02:14:24 -0400 From: "Thomas Forcier" To: Subject: 2am Message-ID: Hello, Well, its the wee hours and I can't sleep, so I thought I'd entertain you all. Don't worry, no more talk of a certain "an-Vay alen-Hay" here. The legions are not about to be swayed. I'd rather talk about something meaningful, something important to all of us... Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:28:32 +0000 From: "Younis Hilal" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Click Tracks (Ok I'll shut up now) Message-ID: > From: Dave Ware > Subject: Click Tracks (Ok I'll shut up now) > > personally don't like them, this is due mainly to the fact that my band > played, what we always called "Techno-head-metal", that is hectic, > technical thrash with a whole bunch of crazy riffs and time changes. > When you're doing a 3 song demo in a 16 track studio over the space of 3 > days, fucking around with click tracks is never high on the agenda. Hey, this "Techno-head-metal", as you call it, is something that I really dig. Has your band recorded any CDs? What's your band's name? Younis email_address_removed AKA "YoonDog" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:42:06 -0700 From: "Alex Smith" To: "YTSEJAM" Subject: fates warning Message-ID: <01bdcd97$fb035fa0$message_id_removed> Hello, ye jammers, I need assistance. What Fates Warning album should I get? I'm a big fan of prog/DT/Metallica, etc. Should I wait and buy the live album when it comes out or should I buy a studio album? Signing off. Alex Smith email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 03:45:21 -0400 (EDT) From: email_address_removed (BC: Webtv Ytsejammer) To: email_address_removed Subject: Christian Progressive bands Message-ID: Are there any christian bands that play in the prog style? "The smoke is rising the vision's getting clearer and words become a song in the dreamtime!" ~Ayreon email_address_removed email_address_removed email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:36:51 -0500 From: Jeroen To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Derek Eruption Message-ID: <35DED782.3981@wxs.nl> > Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:22:38 EDT > From: email_address_removed > To: email_address_removed > Subject: Derek Eruption > Message-ID: > > In a message dated 8/21/98 11:43:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > at one tome I played the 32 note excerpt of eruption during the awake tour > for a few shows, then my friend Al Pitrelli told me that it was tacky so I > stopped. Derek > I was at one of those shows (Nijmegen, Holland 11th March 1995) and believe me, it was cool. It sounded great. Jeroen -- ----------- Visit the "EMOTION" homepage at http://home.wxs.nl/~keys76/emotion.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:42:55 +0200 From: "Bj?rnar Bevolden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Tour recommendation, Angra disc, Stratovarius, etc. Message-ID: Hello ! Jon Kretschmer wrote: >=20 > > From: "Bj?rnar Bevolden" > > NP: Angra: Fireworks >=20 > Is this out yet???? It seems every time I turn around there is another= disc > to get...hehe...Not that Im complaining. It was released in Japan on August 21st, but i think you will have to wait until oktober/november for the european release. My copy is a promo, that`s why i got it this early. Well, their sound is more back to the basic sound of "Angels Cry". Most of the influences from "Holy Land" is gone. I`ve just listened to it twice, but so far i think that "Angels Cry" and "Holy Land" are better. I would call it symphonic metal with both speed and melodic=20 heavy influences. Don`t get me wrong the cd is great, but i think i expected a littlebit more after their two excellent earlier efforts. After listening to it twice, which usually isn`t enough, i would rate it 8 out of 10. The playing and production is of course excellent.=20 Bye, Bj=F8rnar, Norway ! NP: Axel Rudi Pell: Oceans of time ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:13:17 +0200 From: "The Embraced" To: Subject: Liquid tension experiment!!! Message-ID: <199808220913.LAA16038@online.no> Hi, there! I'm looking for tabs from the masterpiece "Liquid tension experiment". If you guys can help me out please email me right away! .and if anyone is interested i have the whole transcriptions of "A change of season" in tab. Thanks Rune ruholm@online.no ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:34:06 +0200 From: email_address_removed.be (Tony De Laender) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Christian Progressive bands Message-ID: On last night's charismatic episode of the Ytsejam, Ayreon wrote: >Are there any christian bands that play in the prog style? As far as I know, there is one, they're called Ezekiel's Wheel. They have a webpage, but I don't know the address, you should be able to find it with Yahoo or sumfin. FiveNgroK CP: Magellan - Test Of Wills She said: "I don't like Dream Theater that much, but I had a pen and some paper, so what the fuck." (Kevin Moore) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:52:25 +0100 From: NGA To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Tapping/Van Halen/Orchids Message-ID: Hi all The oldest use of tapping that I know of was by Fred Astair and Ginger Rogers back in the 40s sometime. Isn't there a Van Halen list somewhere? For me, Van Halen are cheesier than the cheesiest cheese shop in Cheeseland (and yes, I have even been to see them live a couple of times, and their live performances just reinforced my opinion). One for Derek (or his impostor). It's not just beautiful orchids that grow on cow turds - magic mushrooms do too. stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: TRI YANN - En Concert "Clinton said he tried marijuana and didn't inhale - what does that tell us? Brownies or hash cakes?" - Bill Hicks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 09:35:59 -0500 From: AL To: retaehT maerD Subject: Dear Korgy - Minnesota Ytse-casino meeting - Derek doll Message-ID: The Ytse Progtologist wrote to the great and powerful ooze, KorgX3: >Where does the white go when the snow melts? Korg (the Ytse-Schizophrenic) replied with some help from his friends. BIG see ytsejam 4210 Next week: I will post another twisted question for Dear Korgy. ------------------------------------- Jammers unite! 6:00 PM Grand Casino Hinkley, MN. At the ARCADE. Wear your DT gear. I'll have the blue FII shirt and hat on. Yeah Derek, the one with only four sig's on it. This better be remedied. Otherwise I'll be forced to let "Jackie The Voodoo Bitch" do unspeakable things to my Derek Sherinian action figure. (That little leather jacket is so cute) Sorry, I'm a little tuned:) -- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:29:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Peter Geerts To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Persuasion Tape Message-ID: Yesterday, Joe D. Wrote: > Your mission, should you choose to accept it: > Give me a tracklisting I can use to make a 90 minute "DT persuasion" > tape. Okay, here's what I did, it's not one tape, but two because I figured only one tape is not enough to put only DT's best (imo) material on ... Tape 1 Side A 1. The Mirror (Awake) 6:45 2. Lie (Awake) 6:34 3. The Ytsejam (WDADU) 5:41 4. Another Hand - The Killing Hand (LATM) 10:30 5. Take The Time (I&W) 8:21 6. Bombay Vindaloo (LATM) 6:48 Total: 44:39 Tape 1 Side B 7. A Change Of Seasons (ACOS) 23:06 8. New Millenium (FII) 8:20 9. Wait For Sleep (I&W) 2:31 10.Learning To Live (I&W) 11:30 Total: 45:37 Tape 2 Side A 11.Metropolis Pt. 1 (I&W) 9:30 12.Erotomania (Awake) 6:45 13.Voices (Awake) 9:53 14.The Silent Man (Awake) 3:48 15.Peruvian Skies (FII) 6:43 16.Scarred (Awake) 11:00 Total: 47:39 Make sure not to leave too much blanks between songs on this one. Usually there is about 48 mins on each side, so it just fits... Tape 2 Side B 17.Pull Me Under (I&W) 8:11 18.Just Let Me Breathe (FII) 5:28 19.Trial Of Tears (FII) 13:07 20.Caught In A Web (Awake) 5:28 21.Burning My Soul (FII) 5:29 22.Only A Matter Of Time (WDADU) 6:35<------ Charlie's great on this one! Total: 44:18 Hope this helps... Peter Peter Geerts email_address_removed.ac.be ICQ:13122363 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:31:11 +0200 From: "Heiko Becker" To: Subject: low-fi iron maiden+metallica Message-ID: <01bdcdf2$a779d0c0$2c8535d4@heino> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDCE03.6B02A0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, I haven't read the last jams cause I can't get to AOL now, so I = hope this hasn't been covered ,yet. Some people were talking about FII on Hi-Fi. I propose that some records only sound good on Lo-Fi, like a car stereo = or old ghettoblasters. Like, I wasn't the Pre-load Metallica guy, new = One, liked the black album ok, but the old ones sounded cool in my = friends car. When I listened to them at home, it wasn't really = satisfying (sp?). Same goes with old Iron Maiden, the live one sounds = best IMHO in the car, banging at the red lights. I never tried WDADU at = this, but it might get better in perception(for ME, ok?). Just a = thought, sebastian (SWM, 23, DT, NHL, ES) To Richie (I'll contact you) and Scott (you were sure right about being = excellent) Every rose has it's thorn, just like every night has it's dawn, = just like every cowboy, sings a sad,sad song flames to email_address_removed ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDCE03.6B02A0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, I haven't read the = last  jams=20 cause I can't get to AOL now, so I hope this hasn't been covered=20 ,yet.
Some people were talking = about FII on=20 Hi-Fi.
I propose that some = records only sound=20 good on Lo-Fi, like a car stereo or old ghettoblasters. Like, I wasn't = the=20 Pre-load Metallica  guy, new One, liked the black album ok, but the = old=20 ones sounded cool in my friends car. When I listened to them at home, it = wasn't=20 really satisfying (sp?). Same goes with old Iron Maiden, the live one = sounds=20 best IMHO in the car, banging at the red lights. I never tried WDADU at = this,=20 but it might get better in perception(for ME, ok?). Just a = thought,
sebastian (SWM, 23, DT, = NHL,=20 ES)
 
To Richie (I'll contact = you) and Scott=20 (you were sure right about being excellent)
        Every rose = has it's=20 thorn, just like every night has it's dawn, just like every cowboy, = sings a=20 sad,sad song
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BDCE03.6B02A0C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:49:37 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: My $.02 on Van Halen Message-ID: Having seen every incarnation of Van Halen (yes, I'm olllllld), I must say that I have seen good, bad, and ugly shows. The good........definitely Van Halen II at the Forum in (I believe) 1979/80, Balance at the Blockbuster Pavilion in Devore (a little biased for this one since I had won front row tickets!!).....FUCK show at Lawlor Events Center in Reno (we happened to be on vacation in Tahoe, found out VH was playing in Reno, and had to rent a car so we could see them). VH 3 at Blockbuster (just seeing Michael Anthony sing lead was great! hehheh) The bad......VH at Monsters of Rock (after Metallica kicked major ass, no one could come close). The ugly.....VH at the US Festival. DLR was so fucked up, he couldn't remember the words to most songs. All the other times I've seen them, as well as DLR and SH solo, have been in the pretty good range. So there!! :-P rockercat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:11:13 -0400 From: Gary Davis To: email_address_removed Subject: Kevin Moore IRC Chat (and tips on getting there!) Message-ID: This is an important reminder that, at present, The Artist Shop has three IRC Chats on the calendar (with more in the works!). Coming up on Wednesday, August 26 at 9pm eastern/6pm pacific we'll be chatting with keyboardist Kevin Moore who was for eight years a member of Dream Theater. Kevin Moore left Dream Theater in June of '94 in order to pursue his own musical direction. In the fall of that year, he relocated to New Mexico where he began writing and recording new material. Kevin has since started his own label, Fight Evil Records, on which he's recently released his first solo album, Dead Air for Radios. Kevin's band for this album features the Fates Warning rhythm section of Mark Zonda and Joey Vera. This is a very dark album, not for the faint of heart. Details on joining the chat can be found at . To find out more about Kevin Moore and Dead Air for Radios, go to . And here's some tips on joining the chat for those of you who haven't done IRC before. First, when you go to the above URL, at the bottom of that page you'll find links to a few spots on the net at which you can download the appropriate software to join the chat. DON'T WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE TO DO IT! You'll just be upset with yourself. Another option for joining the chat is to do so directly through your web browser as Talk City has a website interface that can be accessed by any java enabled browser. At the top of my IRC page listed above, there is a link that will take you directly to the website interface (which happens to be at ). To get into the chat you need to fill out on the page a Nick Name and your Real Name. There's also a spot to put in a password, but it ISN'T NECESSARY to use a password to get it. Once you've entered a Nick Name and a Real Name, click "Enter @MusicArena" and that should get you there. If it doesn't get you there, then there's a strong possibility that you've entered a nick name that's already in use or registered by someone else. In which case, you just go back and try it again with another nickname. It's always a good idea to try getting to the room before the event just to make sure you can do it. If you should try that, don't be disheartened if you get in the room and it doesn't seem to work. The @MusicArena is a special area set up for special events like this. It doesn't really function like other chat rooms when there's no event going on. Hope to see you all there!!! Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com email_address_removed phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4217 **************************