YTSEJAM Digest 4190 Today's Topics: 1) edie brickell by email_address_removed 2) Portnoy, and why he's so cool. by Brian Larkin 3) Vitalij Kuprij - "High Definition" by Rick Barkhouse 4) DT at Finger Lakes by "Anderson, Brian D" 5) Re: Portnoy, and why he's so cool. by Tom Cox 6) Interesting item on eBay web site item#25928778: Dream Theater - "Lie" CD single by email_address_removed 7) LTE review from SFK by richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James) 8) Re: phat by "KorgX3" 9) To All Things... by Matt Johnston 10) did you know? by Simon Wilkins 11) The End of Prism records? by Damon Fibraio 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4189 by email_address_removed 13) New Ytseshirts: on the way! by Joshua Rasiel 14) Re: Used CDs by "Mike Patrick" 15) Pass me the TP... by "Thomas Forcier" 16) Re: lits intro & "The Real Fun Begins Now" by email_address_removed (Mike Marshall) 17) It's a boucy, boucy world! by "Tigger" 18) Re: It's a boucy, boucy world! by Rick Audet ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:28:37 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: edie brickell Message-ID: well, good to see that some people are relaxing and we're getting back to subject (hi, son). I have to ask a NDTC question, though (sorry): Saw a video with a Edie Brickell lookalike with longer hair. I think it was her ( and she looked more beautyful than in the last video I know) playing a cool song w/a nice wahwah solo. In the video Micky Mouse appears. Anybody familiar with this?? Private is fine email_address_removed To reveal my identity: My name is sebastian and I'll live in Montclair, NJ soon. This leads my to the next problem: Platypus is out here, but I have already 50+ discs chosen to bring with me. Shall I buy it or wait til I can get in US??? bye, and todays regards go out to Scott, Bill and Ted, Mark and Jerry B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:15:52 -0400 From: Brian Larkin To: email_address_removed Subject: Portnoy, and why he's so cool. Message-ID: A while back, someone posed a question about MP's drum part during the second verse of "The Mirror", and why it makes him so cool. I don't think I remember seeing a reply to this one, so here goes, from a non-drummer: Beginning with the measure where James sings "I spent so long, trusting in YEAAAAOOW" :), which I believe is in 12/8, Portnoy plays double-bass triplets (1&a-2&a-3&a-4&a), which isn't too hard to do normally, BUT, he accentuates these triplets such that the first and second parts of the triplet are played very softly, and the third part is the most emphasized. There may be terms I could be using that would make this easier to explain, but again, I'm not a drummer ... So basically, it's like this: (K=kick) (S=snare) (G=guitar/bass) GGG -GG G-G GG- GGG -GG G-G GG- S S S S This was the best way I could (1&a-2&a-3&a-4&a, 1&a-2&a-3&a-4&a ... etc.) think of diagramming the kkK kkK kkK kkK kkK kkK kkK kkK concept. Notice the first part ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ of each triplet is lowercase and has no ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ arrows. This is because it seems to be played with the least amount of emphasis (from the recording, it's hard to distinguish this between the first and second parts of the triplet). The third part of the triplet however is capitalized (K) and has 2 arrows, which means it is played with the most emphasis. The snare is hit on the first part of the second and fourth triplets in the measure, which makes the part even cooler. The fill Portoy does during about the second half of the fourth measure of this is SICK, and I couldn't break it down if I tried. This is my understanding of the part; if someone more educated, or maybe even MP himself, finds this inaccurate in any way, feel free to enlighten me. L8rZ, Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:37:06 -0400 From: Rick Barkhouse To: email_address_removed Subject: Vitalij Kuprij - "High Definition" Message-ID: I was at my local specialty record store on the weekend and saw a CD by Artension keyboardist extraordinaire Vitalij Kuprij entitled "High Definition". Can anyone out there offer a review of this CD? Is it in the same vein as Artension? I saw a few classical pieces on it so I was wondering if it's mostly just piano or not. By the way, I'm a keyboard player, so don't tell me it has too much keys on it :) Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:55:55 -0400 From: "Anderson, Brian D" To: "'Jam'" Subject: DT at Finger Lakes Message-ID: Hello all, Well, I saw the show at the Finger Lakes last friday. Basically . . . I loved it. I had eighth row seats, near the middle. When I walked in, about a half hour before the show, Derek was out in the crowd sittin' on a fence talking with a few people. I just happened to have a picture of him and I from the first Ytsecon . . . so I had him sign it for me. (Thanks Derek!) The show itself was great. The place was about half full when DT took the stage. I was most interested to see what type of reaction the crowd would give DT. I couldn't have been happier with the response that they got. I'd say there was a large group of DT fans there . . . I saw many DT shirts, probably more than ELP, or Deep Purple. Anyways, they got a great response, and after they finished metropolis they got a standing ovation . It was good to see Myung whip out the stick again . . . the Chapman Stick that is. Every time I see DT, I am always most amazed by Myung's playing. Lets see, the other acts . . . I'm not all that familiar with ELP or DP, other than what I hear on classic rock radio. ELP was keyboard wankfest to the fullest . . . which isn't a bad thing. Carl Palmer . . . . wow! Holy drum solo batman! Portnoy who? (just kidding). Deep Purple was like dinosaur rock. They just looked soooo old. And then there was Steve Morse . . . wow! Petrucci who? :-) All in all . . . a good time. Babs . . . where were ya? I was looking around for you, but couldn't find you. Happy belated Birthday! Everyone . . . Babs' birthday was last friday . . . all together now . . happy birthday toooo youuu . . . Also, I was trying to get a get well card back to the band for them to sign. My friend who was supposed to go to the show with me got in a motorcycle accident a week ago. He's still in the hospital . . . he almost lost his foot, just above the ankle. That tends to happen when you get hit by a car that's going 55 mph. Anyways, I wanted to get a card to the band so they could sign it, and make my friend feel a little better. He was bummed that he couldn't go. So actually, I'd like to make a request. If there is anyone that is going to one of the upcoming shows, and that will be meeting any of the guys in the band, could you let me know. I'd like to get the card to them somehow, and relatively soon. That would be real cool if anyone could do that. Well, that's about it. Great show . . . can't wait for the live album and video . . . ohhhh wait a minute. I forgot to mention a good Derek womanizing sighting. Well not really, but it was funny none-the-less based on the last few weeks discussion here. There was a girl a couple rows in front of me dancing up a storm during DT's set. She was all into it, swingin' them hips around. I saw Derek watching her, and he was loving it. Fast forward to after DT's set, and I'm walking around, and whom do I see the receiving a back rub from that girl . . . ahhh yes, you go Derek! Made me laugh. I doubt anything happened, 'cause I think that girl was with her boyfriend, but you never know . . . heh heh hehhh. Ok, that's all. . -Brian Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:33:32 -0500 From: Tom Cox To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Portnoy, and why he's so cool. Message-ID: That is indeed an awesome drum part. Keep in mind that I'm not an extreemly technically educated drummer, ie: Not the best at explaining this stuff either. I will say this: That part is not necessarily double-bass. I use one foot during that part, It's not that fast, so, to me, I don't play with two feet there :) Umm... I'm not going to try and break all of that down(the triplet parts you describe), but I believe if memory serves correct(haven't done this one in a while) that the accents *Don't* follow a basic pattern... That's mostly what makes it so cool. It might seem to follow a pattern, till you try to play it for the first time :) hehe... that's just a few quick thoughts, don't wanna digress too much, I'm too damn tired for that right now :) cheers! Tom Cox email_address_removed Brian Larkin wrote: > > A while back, someone posed a question about MP's drum part during the > second verse of "The Mirror", and why it makes him so cool. I don't think > I remember seeing a reply to this one, so here goes, from a non-drummer: > > Beginning with the measure where James sings "I spent so long, trusting in > YEAAAAOOW" :), which I believe is in 12/8, Portnoy plays double-bass > triplets (1&a-2&a-3&a-4&a), which isn't too hard to do normally, BUT, he > accentuates these triplets such that the first and second parts of the > triplet are played very softly, and the third part is the most emphasized. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:37:55 -0700 (PDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#25928778: Dream Theater - "Lie" CD single Message-ID: This is for all of you who NEED the Lie single. - mike. Title of item: Dream Theater - "Lie" CD single Seller: email_address_removed Starts: 08/16/98 18:44:18 PDT Ends: 08/23/98 18:44:18 PDT Price: Currently $10.50 To bid the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=25928778 Item Description: Lie CD single for auction. Includes: Lie (edit), Space Dye Vest, To Live Forever (non album track) and Another Day (live). Mint condition. Buyer pays for Priority postage and handling. Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at http://www.ebay.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:01:32 +0500 From: richard@capitale.qc.ca (Richard James) To: email_address_removed Subject: LTE review from SFK Message-ID: <9808171401.AA08237@jason.qc.ca> LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT - SELF TITLED (90%), Magna Carta, 1998 What do you get when you mix 2 parts Dream Theater, On part Dixie Dregs with a dash of King Crimson? This album. The players are John Petrucci (gtr, DT), Mike Portnoy (drums, leader of LTE, DT), Jordan Rudess (keys, Dregs) and Tony Levin (bass, stick, etc., KC). A warning that is given to one of the tracks could apply to this whole album, " Caution: ... is not for the musically faint-hearted, impatient, or critics of extreme self-indulgence..." Though the band have placed this descriptor of the 28 min jam "Three Minute Warning" people that do not virtuoso playing and in particular the Dregs or Dream Theater shouldn't even listen to this album. For fans of DT or DD then you'll be in heaven. The album is very much like Dream Theater cut loose. "Freedom of Speech", "Kindred Spirits" and "Paradigm Shift" could all be instrumentals from DT. The album isn't completely about scorching hot instrumentals though, on the duet tracks the different member's experiment, the keys/gtr piece "State of Grace" is my favorite of the duets. IMO this is the best Prog-Metal album released in some time. Yes it's better than Falling Into Infinity and most of the other Prog-Metal releases from last year. And yes even for fans like me 3 minute can on some plays be a little over the top. - BJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:23:33 -0600 From: "KorgX3" To: Subject: Re: phat Message-ID: <000201bdc9fb$405c3180$49f086cc@korgx3> >You got a problem with fat people, you fuck?! Close your mouth, this No, just fat women. >list is starting to smell like a pair of armored trousers after the >Hundred Years War. You make me SICK, you festering boil on the Rush >Limbaugh's ass of the ytsejam!! I'll flatten you like a fucking >pancake, boyeeeee! How about I take my sputtering link of beefcake and give you a tonsil massage, ponyboy? :) >How's that? Be easy on me, I'm just a beginner. You could use a little work, there. :D >to hear the "fat woman in spandex" cliche for ugliness. Most women >we call fat can be quite cute in short skirts, etc, but people lump >them under the same category as people who weigh in the 300s, which Actually, I WAS referring to someone who is roughly 5' tall and probably weighs 250 pounds +/-. It's not very pleasant during the summer because she wears those fuckin' tight ass clothes and is always walking around picking wedgies out of her ass. It's very unflattering. >Not that the world is fair, I admit. Like private parts to the gods >are we, they play with us for their sport. =D -- KorgX3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:12:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston To: email_address_removed Subject: To All Things... Message-ID: ..An End... Sorry, I'm waxing poetic to keep from getting pissed off. I go to order a b**t from M**e B**r, and I get the message I had hoped not to get for at least a week. Go ahead and check out www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ The end of an era? --Loveable Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- "..." --James LaBrie, "Hell's Kitchen" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 10:21:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Simon Wilkins To: email_address_removed Subject: did you know? Message-ID: Hi Here is something interesting I found the other day. I was watching a video of the uncovered show 31/1/95 and I saw that the version of Perfect Strangers on the ACoS album is not Nightmare Cinema. At this gig everyone played their normal instruments whereas NC last December (Forum, London, UK) as always were JP on drums, MP on bass, DS on guitar and JM on keyboards and JLB on whats left. I thought the guitar playing on ACoS was alot better than last December! Of course, you may already all know this! but wtf... Simon Anybody know if the DP/ELP/DT shows are going to come over to the UK side of the pond? Any idea Mr Portnoy? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:15:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio To: Dream Theater Mailing list Subject: The End of Prism records? Message-ID: I almost never thought I would see this happen, but Mike Bahr is closing up Prism and moving on. He has opened up a gaming store and is turning over the rest of the stuff apparently to Scarred records. Now, I don't want this to turn into a flame war or anything, but I remember when I first joined the jam and subconscious was already sold out. i wanted to get acoustic dreams but as you all know, I have been perpetually broke for some time, and only recently got somebody's cdr copy. I remember when Mike would post his updates to the jam, and how annoyed I would get at having to read that same thing over and over just to get to the new stuff. I remember how it seemed like he was so legit at first, not wanting to turn this into a business, just doing it for the fans, before he became consumed with wide scale bootlegging. I remember how it was better then, but still, it is the end of anera so to speak. I never ordered anything from Mike, not because of his rep, but because of my poverty. I would love to get my hands on the stuff I don't have of his, like the Ruish boots, and the Dt stuff I don't havealready. But, either way, he won't be making any more discs, at least for a hile. So, let's give a hearty farewell to Bahr Wars. And let's give a hearty welcome to scarred wars. :) I can see it coming already. Poor Ryan, if only you knew what you were in for. :) For anybody who wants to read Mike's words of farewell, go to http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik. If you were a critic of Mike's, you may not like what he has to say, but I would encourage you all to read it anyway. -- Damon Fibraio, email email_address_removed Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:25:30 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4189 Message-ID: In a message dated 8/17/98 1:36:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, email_address_removed writes: << Great post and it's nice to see some REAL DT content here. (sorry Derek!) : ) Mike Portnoy >> HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:35:49 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel To: email_address_removed Subject: New Ytseshirts: on the way! Message-ID: Well, I've really done it this time. The new ytsejam shirt I have mentioned is definite. I just put a $450 deposit on a 72 shirt run. It's going to happen. I will have a sample scanned in to my page sometime next week. In the meantime, keep checking there for new info. I'll also post here. Basically, here's the deal: The shirts will be Hanes Beefy-Tees(high quality), with three colors on the back and two on the front. Anyone who orders a shirt from anywhere in the continental U.S pays a flat fee of 18 dollars, including shipping. The shirts themselves are 15, so if you live near me you can pick one up for that price. International shipping will vary by country. The initial 72-shirt run will consist of 60 XL, and a few each of XXL, M, and L. I have kept track of anyone who specifically asked for a certain size. It would be a good idea, if you will be wanting a shirt, to tell me asap to make sure I have one in your size. Then I can tell my printer and we can work it out. It is not time to order yet, but it wil be soon. I'm not accepting any orders until I've seen the product myself. When I do, I'll give everyone the go ahead, which hopefully will not be followed by a deafening silence broken only by the chirping of crickets. -- ................................................................. Joshua Rasiel email_address_removed Razi on IRC & ICQ Check out Another Page at http://www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot diggity! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:43:36 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" To: "DT" Subject: Re: Used CDs Message-ID: >Moral: Write down any band you see listed in the JAM and find them in a >used store (where you can possibly listen to it first) or look for >samples on the net. You'll be surprised to find out how much good music >really _IS_ out there !! Moral: The bands get no royalties this way. Way to go. Mike Patrick Indianapolis, IN email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:37:58 -0400 From: "Thomas Forcier" To: Subject: Pass me the TP... Message-ID: Hello, Uh, Mike Patrick said: >You are not worthy to wipe Rupert Hine's arse. First off, why would I WANT to wipe his arse? :) Second, are you disagreeing with my opinion of Presto's production? Or are you simply submitting that I'm unworthy to wipe asses? I've made mix tapes of Rush material and one thing is always true: the Presto material has horrible output levels and Alex's guitars are often indistinguishable. As a guitarist, trying to learn some of the songs on here was aggravating to the degree of pointlessness. To date, Presto has my much of my favorite Rush material, but ranks near last in production (right with Signals). However, regardless of any opinion on this matter, it a still a travesty that NO Presto material is listed on the NMS track listing for Different Stages. Show Don't Tell was a staple for three tours, and The Pass was played on two. I guess since they didn't play any of this material on the T4E tour, I should have seen this coming. Stodgers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:58:47 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Mike Marshall) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: lits intro & "The Real Fun Begins Now" Message-ID: On Sun, 16 Aug 1998 Manuel writes: > >damon: >>I hope the Lines in the Sand intro is not frm a tape. > >It is. The two shows I saw from the DT-headlining show (11/1-Chicago & 5/?-Cincinnati), Derek played the intro. Two hands, one foot. No tape. And now for something completely different: email_address_removed writes: >Great post and it's nice to see some REAL DT content here. (sorry Derek!) : >) To which email_address_removed replied: >HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) Is this a great time to be on the 'Jam, or what? Apocalypse Cow _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:47:33 -0600 From: "Tigger" To: Subject: It's a boucy, boucy world! Message-ID: <002501bdca17$e4fbaec0$47f086cc@korgx3> >>Great post and it's nice to see some REAL DT content here. (sorry >Derek!) : >To which email_address_removed replied: >>HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) Especially a greatity great time to be on the jam when the imposter shows up and starts an biggity big big big flame war between Derek and Mike! Hoo! Hoo! My, my, my. Lot's of celebrities around here! *boing!* Hugs and kisses! Tigger email_address_removed "The wonderful thing about Tiggers Is Tiggers are wonderful things Their tops are made out of rubber The bottoms are made out of springs" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:19:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: It's a boucy, boucy world! Message-ID: On Mon, 17 Aug 1998, Tigger wrote: > Especially a greatity great time to be on the jam when the imposter shows up > and starts an biggity big big big flame war between Derek and Mike! Hoo! > Hoo! Is this the same "D-Man is a hootenany" imposter impostor? If so, you mentioned last Summer that you recommend the Downtrodden "Slidin'" CD. If you were serious, maybe you could tell me where I could check this album out, as I cannot find it anywhere. Thanks. Rick Audet San Francisco ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4190 **************************