YTSEJAM Digest 4181 Today's Topics: 1) About the Public Chat Room by "AnathemA" 2) Posting like a madman by "Metzger, Mark" 3) Re: Illness, Damon/Derek, and billions o' bitches... by email_address_removed 4) Re: IRC Chat with Kevin Moore!!! by Al Balkiewicz 5) Re: IRC Chat with Kevin Moore!!! by Shai Yallin 6) Wow... I love the self righteous! by "Christopher Ptacek" 7) Re: FII by "earthblind, starbound" 8) You're serious? by "Christopher Ptacek" 9) general stuff by Manuel 10) daughter...... by "Alex Smith" 11) kevek by "Alex Smith" 12) Re: What's Platypus? by Mark Bredius 13) huh by Pat Daugherty 14) the beard by Manuel 15) Fw: "5 Years..." on DVD??? by "trev.monster" 16) Re: Wow... I love the self righteous! by Matt Johnston ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 07:11:32 -0400 From: "AnathemA" To: Cc: Subject: About the Public Chat Room Message-ID: > Add 17159162 to your icq contacts list and join chat. It's a public > chat SERVER, and NOT a private chat... it's PUBLIC, so come and chat! People should also know (if they don't have ICQ) that it's available for FREE download via http://www.mirabilis.com/download/ ________________________________________ email: email_address_removed icq page: http://www.ibbs.com/anathema Official Public ProgMusic Chat Server available via ICQ. Subscribe to ProgMusic by visiting http://www.ibbs.com/anathema/progmusic ________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:30:34 -0400 From: "Metzger, Mark" To: "'(ytsejam)'" Subject: Posting like a madman Message-ID: I was just wondering something relating to the DP/ELP tour. When they play Metropolis and the song starts while they are on the stage wouldn't you prefer to hear THEM start the song LIVE even if they couldn't recreate the perfect sounds of the original intro ?? Mark Metzger email_address_removed Buy CNS stock - it's LOW !! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:37:15 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Re: Illness, Damon/Derek, and billions o' bitches... Message-ID: << "I'm gunna fuck DIS bitch...I'm gunna fuck DAT bitch...I'm gunna fuck ALL da bitches!" -- who knows the quote? >> Um isn't that Jay from "Clerks"? ------Art www.joestump.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:38:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: IRC Chat with Kevin Moore!!! Message-ID: I'm assuming a transcript of this chat session will be posted somewhere, either on the 'Jam or (hint, hint) UACM????? yes? no? maybe so? by the way, the "bitches" quote is from "Clerks"....BERSERKER! -Al ===================================================================== b l i n d l a b o r s t h e b l i n d a n d I a m u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ email_address_removed OR email_address_removed OR email_address_removed HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:38:55 +0300 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: IRC Chat with Kevin Moore!!! Message-ID: Al Balkiewicz wrote: > > I'm assuming a transcript of this chat session will be posted > somewhere, either on the 'Jam or (hint, hint) UACM????? > > yes? no? maybe so? > > by the way, the "bitches" quote is from "Clerks"....BERSERKER! "My Girlfriend sucked 36 Dicks!" "In a row?" ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Shai Yallin aka Kurush | | ICQ #16353527 | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 | | | | Keyboard player | computer programmer | high-school attendee | ----------------------------------------------------------------- In an infinite Universe, there's no such thing as "there's no such thing". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:46:47 -0500 From: "Christopher Ptacek" To: Subject: Wow... I love the self righteous! Message-ID: <010801bdc6ea$bb25b760$message_id_removed> You know what's the greatest thing about the jam? It's that you're going to get bitched at no matter WHO you are, or WHAT you say, unless you're Mike Portnoy. I happen to feel that when someone POSTS their opinions to the jam, it means it's open for discussion. Why else would someone post it? Are we to be considered content to just read it? Should we all stay in our warm little places and say "You know, I don't agree with this opinion, but even though it's NOT offered as an opinion, and even though it is quite clearly ignorant of any facts or standards by which to compare, I'm not going to voice my disagreement." Surely it's the opposing viewpoints that allow for clearer explanation and for some amount of growth in a discussion. Perhaps the finest example is Matt Johnston. Loveable Matt is there to console poor Erica when she attempts to shove her foot up someone's ass and instead ends up eating it. Loveable Matt tosses insults in a very discreet manner, hoping that people will just smile and say "Oh that loveable Matt! Always getting into trouble!" You see, if you disagree with someone's BS post, and voice your disagreement, you are anal. Be warned... loveable Matt doesn't like anal people. Anal people disagree with his loveable comments too often, and then he has to cry. Why do you cry, loveable Matt? Matt, you're being a dick. You want to make everyone happy, that's fine. But you can't bitch because people argue, and then argue yourself because you disagree with something someone says. I'm personally sick to death of this bullshit. I know several other people are too. What Derek wants to do with (to?) his willing female followers in his own freetime is his to choose. I don't care what you have to say about it, and I don't think anyone else does. I don't think ANYONE cares to see you attempt to inject your own interpersonal morality lessons into the jam. We're doing just fine. Choose your damn side, and stop jumping in when it's convenient. You can't stand on both sides of the fence without getting your balls ripped off on the barbed wire. Chris Ptacek email_address_removed IRC: Madsman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:43:51 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: FII Message-ID: >Alright, I don=B4t hate you and not your brother. I just think he said=20 >some quite stupid things. FII is one of DT=B4s best albums. And I=20 Yep, I consider it one of their top four studio LPs. - Against a Sickness: To the Female Double Principle God http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:21:17 -0500 From: "Christopher Ptacek" To: Subject: You're serious? Message-ID: <011701bdc6ef$9e2bdcc0$message_id_removed> >From: Chris Oates >Why using a Distorted guitar patch on a keyboard is a Bad Thing (tm) > >I think it comes down to a matter of respect. It implies "you aren't doing >a good enough job on your instrument, so I'm going to sound like you and >show you hwo it should be done" --- The point of having both guitar and >keys in a band should be for DIFFERENT timbres, different feels. It would >be disrespectful to use a saxophone sound for a keyboard solo if your band >had a sax player. If the song calls for a solo with a distored guitar >sound, iut should be done on distorted guitar. Also, a keyboard >(currently) cannot equal the expressiveness of a guitar sound (when playing >a gutar sound) -- direct manipulation of the strings has a lot going for >changing the tonal quality. You're serious? You think it's a matter of respect? You think JP feels disrespected that Derek prefers to sound like Eddie Van Halen or Randy than like Emerson? I think the sound a keyboardist chooses should be chosen because he or she feels the sound best fits the vibe he or she is going for. That won't always be piano and synth strings, or a saw wave or anything typical. I'd cerainly kick Trev in the head he he ditched all his distorted sounds at our jams. As for expressiveness, I think this gives a keyboardist a new challenge. I was hanging with that loser Matt Guillory and his guitar playing cronie James Thorpe this past weekend, and I know that Matt looks at emulating a guitarist as a challenge. He's trying to get that whammy bar chirp sound down now. :) >If you're doing a keyboard solo, it should clearly be a keyboard solo. You >can sound much more expressive when you aren't trying to emulate something >else. Dude, that doesn't make sense. Just because you use a sound doesn't mean that you are constrained by the sound to only play like someone else. Emulating an INSTRUMENT is often a way to tap into a creative force you never would otherwise. I play Irish fiddle tunes on guitar now and then, and it gives me all kinds of new ideas. I think if you try to emulate a PLAYER you can end up screwing yourself, but an instrument? No. You're only going to open your vocabulary more. >I only use guitar sounds on mey boards when composing a guitar part to be >played by a guitarist. It never sounds as good as a real guitar would. You mean you know a guitarist who would play a part written by a lowly keyboardist?!? :) >From: Lars Hellsten >Subject: [NDTC] I see asses, nothing but aaaaassseeesss... Wow... that was the Lars Hellsten Magnum Opus. Awesome post! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:03:57 +0200 From: Manuel To: email_address_removed Subject: general stuff Message-ID: to damon who wrote: To: "YTSEJAM" Subject: daughter...... Message-ID: <01bdc6f3$ea18fa60$message_id_removed> Before I get myself into trouble, I better explain... I have the unique privilege of having a 15 year old (4 days until she's 16) daughter that actually talks to her father. I mean about everything. Here's the problem... She's 5' 2", 112 Lb., size 1, with a 36+" chest. If that's not bad enough, she has one of those porcelain doll faces. A bombshell like that, is a fathers nightmare. Uhhhhh, is it me, or does this sound like an opening to one of those "Daughter Knows Best" sex stories? I was expecting some sort of kinky sex after that opening, but all we get is Fates Warning, guns, dogs, and Derek.... Hmmmmmmmmmm.... So, uh, what's her phone number? ;-) October is gonna KICK ASS! Live Rush, Dream Theater, and Fates Warning!!!!!!!!!!! Now, that will be my first FW album, but hell, why not a live one.... Alex Smith email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:56:13 -0700 From: "Alex Smith" To: "YTSEJAM" Subject: kevek Message-ID: <01bdc6f4$6c8f6a60$message_id_removed> uh..... As far as the ongoing Mike Bahr/Kev Moore keyboard crap goes I hate to break it to you, but Derek Sherinan is the keyboardist. Mike Bahr is someone completely different.... Not to nag or anything :-) Alex Smith email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 20:18:21 +0200 From: Mark Bredius To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: Re: What's Platypus? Message-ID: Rob asked : > I'm unaware of what Platypus is....who's in/on it? Platypus are Derek Sherinian, John Myung, Ty Tabor (King's X) and Rod Morgenstein. More info on UACM, of course. Mark Bredius _______________________________________________________ Under A Cyber Moon - The Official Dream Theater Website http://www.dreamtheater.net/ E-mail: email_address_removed The Official H Website -- http://www.hogarth.com/steve/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:09:50 -0400 From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: huh Message-ID: Steve wrote: > As far as the ongoing Mike Bahr/Kev Moore keyboard crap goes..why not > give > these guys a break, Mike filled Kev's shoes as well as he could, he's > a > professional musician not just a mere fan who makes a living from the > vagueries of the copyright law. Both of these guys have their own > style so > let it lie. Last I checked, there was no one by the name of Mike Bahr in the band. -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email : email_address_removed | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |===================================================================| | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" -- X-Files | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:12:14 +0200 From: Manuel To: email_address_removed Subject: the beard Message-ID: the old man told his tale: >> Sorry man... just too mellow for my taste. >> Gotta have some more punch to it, more metal. >> Thanks tho.. >I HONESTLY thought the same exact thing. I kept hearing about how >mellow Spock's Beard is..... and I figured I wouldn't like 'em. >Boy, was I ever DEAD FUCKING WRONG. "The Kindness of Strangers" >absolutely, positively blew me away! TRUE! you gotta give em a chance. a friend of mine, born true metal brother likes them and is gonna get with me to a gig 300 km away! theres something in their music that can give you power without needing neckbreaking riffs or solos. the beard is absolutely good MUSIC! (this should not mean that those who dont like them are assholes dont get me wrong, remmajestys!) DRYHEAT (...in Houston they say that?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:30:03 -0500 From: "trev.monster" To: Subject: Fw: "5 Years..." on DVD??? Message-ID: <000d01bdc6f9$28572cc0$65c8fecd@trevin> Jammers!! We need to get the label's attention!!! >In a message dated 8/12/98 2:32:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >email_address_removed writes: > ><< Wondering if there are any plans to release "5 Years..." on DVD? >> > Mr. Portnoy is gracious enough to reply... >Hi trev, >Myself being a HUGE DVD/Laser collector...I would kill for that... >I think a DVD with "Images - Live in Tokyo" together with the new "5 >years...", would be the coolest.... >Write to the label... >Mike Even better...BOTH DT vids in digital!!!! Maybe if WEA takes enough shit, they'll consider this. Then you can all buy it in Oct. and put it away for that day your 4 Head, HiFi FINALLY dies!!!!!!! :) So, go raise your voice: http://www.elektra.com/mail/mail.html Trevin Wagner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:45:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Wow... I love the self righteous! Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, Christopher Ptacek wrote: > Perhaps the finest example is Matt Johnston. Loveable Matt is there to >console poor Erica when she attempts to shove her foot up someone's ass and >instead ends up eating it. Loveable Matt tosses insults in a very discreet >manner, hoping that people will just smile and say "Oh that loveable Matt! >Always getting into trouble!" You see, if you disagree with someone's BS >post, and voice your disagreement, you are anal. Be warned... loveable Matt >doesn't like anal people. Anal people disagree with his loveable comments >too often, and then he has to cry. Why do you cry, loveable Matt? I cry because (sniffle sniffle) you're so mean! I can just take my ball and go home, you know ^_^ I'm actually touched that I'm the subject of a Ptacek expose. No, really, I am. This is kind of like a Ytsejam Bahr-mitzfah ^_^ Today I am a man. But seriously, I consoled Erica because I had a crush on her. I toss the discreet insults to hone my descreet-insult-tossing skills, and I cry (sniffle) because you're so gosh darn mean! (sob!) ^_^ I don't know why you say I don't like anal people. I *am* anal, first off. I feel drawn to responding to grammar nzai posts. I feel the need to over*anal*yze posts from well-meaning posters who happen to disagree with the opinion I have that day. Or hour. Hell, even for that post! I find a new fact, and my opinions change. That's not wrong, that's called learning. > Matt, you're being a dick. You want to make everyone happy, that's >fine. But you can't bitch because people argue, and then argue yourself >because you disagree with something someone says. I'm personally sick to >death of this bullshit. Well, I've *yet* to be called a hypocrite, so if you want to have the honors, I'd suggest you go right ahead before somebody else realizes it and takes that potential trophy away from you. Why is this on the jam? You're expressing an opinion, and arguing the validity of mine. We are equals, in this respect. >I know several other people are too. What Derek >wants to do with (to?) his willing female followers in his own freetime is >his to choose. I don't care what you have to say about it, and I don't >think anyone else does. I don't think ANYONE cares to see you attempt to >inject your own interpersonal morality lessons into the jam. We're doing >just fine. Yeah, but I wanted a big public display of my civil disobeidence! I wanted to show everybody that Loveable Matt Johnston can buck The System and be Lean, Mean Matt Johnston... (sniffle) I just wanted to impress you... (chuckle) Seriously, though, if the Jam is a forum for DT-related opinions, then expressing my disagreement with Derek's verbage was not only on-topic, but perfectly okay and on-topic (there are those on-topic but not okay posts that crop up every once in a while). I'm trying to e-mail people privately more often. I have been since about a month ago. I flubbed last week and accidentally sent a response that should have been private to the jam, got a couple of clever comments tossed my way, and blew up at the guy. I apoligized after it was brought to my attention that I had blown up at him, and everything was okay. it happens. I express my opinions. You express yours. We're equals in that respect. > Choose your damn side, and stop jumping in when it's convenient. You >can't stand on both sides of the fence without getting your balls ripped off >on the barbed wire. > You are my barbed wire, baby. Rip me up. Make it sting. I think that the worst thing one can do is choose one side and then stay there. It's that kind of blind loyalty that had me showing up for the Load release party. Ouch! ^_^ My opinions change as my knowledge of the situation changes. I guess I just express more often. So, what do ya'll think? Should I post less often? Should I post only serious, or only smart-ass? Maybe a good dose of homosexual overtones? Have I been to hetero lately? Less anal, more anal? Should I go back and check for spelling errors more often? Maybe a new haircut? Since Chris has made this a public thread, let's end it publically! ^_^ >Chris Ptacek >email_address_removed >IRC: Madsman > > > > > --Matt (loves the feel of rusty barbed wire on his scrotum) --------------------------------------------------------------------- "..." --James LaBrie, "Hell's Kitchen" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4181 **************************