YTSEJAM Digest 4146 Today's Topics: 1) Re: On music and diversity... by Matt Johnston 2) Re: silliness by "earthblind, starbound" 3) Re: Derek/Hampton Beach show, etc. by "trev.monster" 4) prog vs rock keyboardists by subtlerage 5) Re: Where to start w/ Crimson? by Rogerio Brito 6) Re: Where to start w/ Crimson? by Matt Johnston 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4141 by "Dr. Scott Mosher" 8) 5/17/98 HOB show by email_address_removed 9) Re: Why The World Will End When/If James Writes Metropolis Part II (fwd) by Matt Johnston 10) Re: Just a quick note.... by Shai Yallin 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4144 by "Dr. Scott Mosher" 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4144 by "Dr. Scott Mosher" 13) the evil twins bid for world domination!!!! by email_address_removed (Bruce Forst) 14) re: classical on electric by Phil Carter 15) some worthless comments... by "sEEdROP" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:46:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: On music and diversity... Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, KorgX3 wrote: > >>easier if I was like 5, I could just change, but I'm 18, and have already >>come several years too far with guitar. Anyway, I got over it, and I'm >>perfectly happy with guitar now. > I gotta respond directly here before I respond to Korg. If 18 is too old, I'm doomed. ^_^ > >Actually, there's nothing stopping you from playing both. I recommend for >any serious musician to take up as many instruments as possible. It doesn't >really limit your learning of any other instrument by playing another. Amen! Preach on, brother Fuqua! >Hell, I play keys, guitar, sax, bass, and just ordered a violin. Playing >another instrument opens up a whole new realm of inspiration and ideas. Agreed 100% I play bass normally, and it's a pain to compose anything delicate on a bass because of the octave difference. Once I took up piano (I suck royally, but I know where middle C is) and guitar (I'm muche better at this than piaon, but still...), my compositions took a turn for the better in a very major way. >Next on my list: flute! I hear it's easy to learn if you know the sax well. --Matt (gotta dig out my sax again... 1930's Buscher... ^_^) --------------------------------------------------------------------- "..." --James LaBrie, "Hell's Kitchen" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 17:16:46 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: silliness Message-ID: >Subject: Why The World Will End When/If James Writes Metropolis Part II (fwd) A decent beginning, but should be more outrageous and encompassing. Would be funnier that way. Pass this along: Class Assignment--Read Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. - Milluminati Psycho. <*> Kervorkian Won't Return My Calls. http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:28:32 -0500 From: "trev.monster" To: Subject: Re: Derek/Hampton Beach show, etc. Message-ID: <001c01bdc181$354506a0$51c8fecd@trevin> >Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:10:40 PDT >From: "Vince French" >To: email_address_removed >Subject: Derek/Hampton Beach show >Message-ID: I think Nicky Lemmons just posted! BWAHAHAHA >>Sounds pretty good to me :o) >Pretty good? Does the term "wet dream" ring a bell? >FiveNgroK > >>them and I want to know what their gonna be playin. Thx. >Don't you just love the element of surprise? >FiveNgroK How about snippin' it into ONE post? Get a grip, man...! And, let the KM vs. DS thread rest already. KM has the classically-trained, Euro influence and DS, the All-American Berklee-jazz-injected organic/roots approach... piano/organ/Rhodes/Mellotron and the monophonic-TriAxis-overdriven-bitch-slap solo patch from fuckin' HELL!! Two very talented people w/ their own style!! Sorry...I tried to keep quiet! Trevin _______________________________________ "We've made the bed where chaos breeds..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:27:47 -0500 (CDT) From: subtlerage To: email_address_removed Subject: prog vs rock keyboardists Message-ID: :Well, we have to define rock keyboardists vs prog keyboardists then. Is :the distinction what the person listened to growing up? what separates a :rock keyboardist from a prog keyboardist anyway? Ego? Seriously, I don't see what the difference is myself; it's all a matter of context. Since prog is generally defined as music with esoteric lyrics and lots of time changes, would a keyboardist that plays in odd times automatically be considered prog? I think that notion is ridiculous myself. Labelling bands/music for the sake of description is OK since you may not have any other way of describing the music to someone that hasn't heard it, but splitting hairs over what defines a musician as prog or rock is kinda pointless if you ask me. And to address the whole Derek/Kevin debate...in the infamous words of Hank Hill, "SHUT THE HELL UP!". He's here, the band likes him, end of story. If you think he sucks, get up there and do a better job yourself. imo, of course. :) _______________________________________________________________________ Andrew Miller - email_address_removed - http://www.subtlerage.com subtlerage - keyboard oriented progressive new age ambient rock Silent Pendulum Music - PO Box 2194 - Iowa City, IA 52244 "The alien lab mutt crapped on our universe." - Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:38:10 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Where to start w/ Crimson? Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, D. Frantz wrote: > Just recently got Thrakattack and B.L.U.E., love both. I also got > In the Wake of Poseidon and didn't like it much at all. Can anyone tell > me where the lineup and style changes take place w/ the band, esp. when > Bruford joins? I'm thinkin since I didn't like Poseidon, I wouldn't like > much of the other earlier stuff either. Any help would be appreciated. I think (but I'm not sure) that Bruford joins for their second album, that is, he is not in "In the Court of the Crimson King". I know that he is on "Red" (really fucking heavy music -- approach this with caution if you're being introduced to progressive rock by softer bands). I don't know if he's on "Discipline". I think that "In the Court of the Crimson King", "Red" and "Discipline" are worth getting. I must point out that I don't know newer KC, unfortunately. Hope this helps, Roger... P.S.: If I'm not mistaken, their site is www.discipline.co.uk, but I'm not really confident this address even exists... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:48:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Where to start w/ Crimson? Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Rogerio Brito wrote: >album, that is, he is not in "In the Court of the Crimson King". I know >that he is on "Red" (really fucking heavy music -- approach this with >caution if you're being introduced to progressive rock by softer bands). I Red... hehehe. Was it you who said, "I can listen to Pantera, but this Red was too hard for me"? I can't remember if it was you or not. No matter, it was posted to the jam. I chuckled, but I can see it. Fripp sexually abused his guitar on that album... it's nasty-wicky-ultra-multi-pass cool, though. --Matt (mmmm.... sacrilicious) --------------------------------------------------------------------- "..." --James LaBrie, "Hell's Kitchen" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 05:55:33 -0400 From: "Dr. Scott Mosher" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4141 Message-ID: Hey; What are the details surrounding neil Pearts daughter and now - Wife? Huh? I keep abreast of current events, but unfortunately, TIME doesn't cover these events too often to us prog lads. Email me personally if you must at email_address_removed - Scott Mosher (ICE-T 'O.G.' and VICIOUS RUMORS 'Somethings Burning' - Circulating!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:59:13 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: 5/17/98 HOB show Message-ID: If anyone is interested in trading for the 5/17/98 HOB (not the Dickenson show, sorry to say) please email me. I will be getting the show this week and haven't seen it on many lists, so I think it would be of interest. Thanks. -Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:04:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Why The World Will End When/If James Writes Metropolis Part II (fwd) Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Keith Aspinall wrote: > >this is part two. if you haven't read part one, i suggest you do that first. >you might get a little lost... *get* a little lost? You mean *stay* a little lost, right? You can't buy drugs strong enough to produce shit this insane. --Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- "..." --James LaBrie, "Hell's Kitchen" --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 01:10:55 +0300 From: Shai Yallin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Just a quick note.... Message-ID: Damon Fibraio wrote: > > Well, we have to define rock keyboardists vs prog keyboardists then. Is > the distinction what the person listened to growing up? what separates a > rock keyboardist from a prog keyboardist anyway? > Hmmm... Rock keyboardist - Jon Lord Prog keyboardist - Mark Kelly Actually, the best key players can be found in the prog section of rock. You know - Emerson, Wakeman, Rudess... I couldn't care less if Derek's a rock keyboardist, a prog keyboardist, or semi-hard punk with bits of techno. He is a good player, and that's all I care about. He plays good, he plays the Hammond (a thingy most nowadays keyboard players seldom use) which I very like. ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Shai Yallin aka Kurush | | ICQ #16353527 | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 | | | | Keyboard player | computer programmer | high-school attendee | ----------------------------------------------------------------- In an infinite Universe, there's no such thing as "there's no such thing". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 06:18:01 -0400 From: "Dr. Scott Mosher" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4144 Message-ID: Regarding tesla, I just read an Article that Brian Wheat has a project, don't remember what, and that Frank Hannon has MOON DOG MAN with some dudes in Sacramento, CA. Kind of supposed to be Southern Rock influenced. Thats what I know. - Scott M. >>Are there any Tesla fans out there? I was just wondering if >>anyone knew if any members have surfaced in any new bands. Since the >> break up I have lost track of what they are doing. Thanks, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 06:26:51 -0400 From: "Dr. Scott Mosher" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4144 Message-ID: Q- "What are the odd's of there being no more 80's slagging comments occuring herein" A- About the same that the real Godzilla will appear in the next G movie (i.e.= 0%) - Scott M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:54:17 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Bruce Forst) To: email_address_removed Subject: the evil twins bid for world domination!!!! Message-ID: >To close, ever wonder why "The Killing Hand" is the only song with vocals >from WDADU that is still played with any regularity? It is John's >confession: > >"No one is left now > my one and only land > I laugh at what I've done > I am the Killing Hand" - "The Killing Hand" - John Petrucci > > Mad dog --- email_address_removed --- John Haveman > "Im Anfang war das Wort?" ... "Nein. Im Anfang war die Tat." > Goethe's Faust I - Scene III - as quoted in Phillip K. Dick's _Valis_ > >P.S. - John, I am _so_ sorry for exposing your plan to the entire >Ytsejam... NO NO NO... you've gots it all wrong... Pertrucci and Portnoy... both evil sorcerors obsessed with world domination were nearly finished with their weather control device when Moore snatched away the final component and moved to the desert to live amongst the underground dwellers or Arizona. Unbeknownst to the "Twins", Myung who is a double agent sorceror of sorts and is actually a shimmering essence of magic encased within a huge head of black hair hanging from the back of some poor Korean guy cast a protective spell on a Piano before he split with the final component. He then gave this piano to Kevin.... Kevin has to play the piano to reinforce the protective spell that keeps Portnoy and Petrucci from locating him with their third eyes. This is the reason he released DAFR and risked being found out by the evil twins. He is not only being aided by Myung the Magical Hair...! KORG (Krimefighting ORGanization) is really a top secret organization that is fighting the world domination schemes of John and Mike also. When Moore left the band Myung contacted the KORG factory and they built a completely cybernetic being from parts of various old keyboards and the mainboard of an enhanced Trinity. In the dead of night they kidnapped some of rock's greatest showmen and renowned; Gene Simmons, Elton John, the frozen brain of Liberace, Ted Nugent and Several really horney men they picked up at a strip club. They then downloaded these personalities in the the DEREK unit and sent it to audition for the opening left by Moore's escape. So through the eyes of this being is transmitted directly to the KORG headquarters everything that the evil twins do or plan to do. They in turn warn Kevin so he can continue to evade the twins. Now the reason that you seem to hear Petrucci and Portnoy popping up on all sorts of recorded projects is because they also had their instruments inchanted with a magical spell. Each time the sound of their instruments is played the protective magic of the mystical Piano is further drained. Hence each time that you play Age of Impact, Liquid Tension Experiment or FII you are weaking the forces of good and working to bring about armageddon!!! ..or maybe I just watched way too many bad cartoons and read way too many bad fantasy novels when I was younger... GI joe...transformers.. thundercats... Silverhawks(?)... Robotech... The Belgarion, Dragonlance... forgotten realms... ack!!! bruce forst email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 19:00:02 -0400 From: Phil Carter To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse Subject: re: classical on electric Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids.... Jonathan A. remarked: >I get what you're saying about PURE classical music. When Vinnie Moore >plays 'Air on a G string' on electric guitar, you just think...no, not good. >Ditto Ritchie Blackmore on Rainbow's Difficult to Cure with Beethoven's >Ninth. But neoclassical shred as a whole...gimme gimme gimme. Um, I happen to think that classical stuff played on electric instruments rules. Witness, if you will: -- Gary Hoey's smoking rewrite of Bach's "Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring" as "Desire" on his album "Bug Alley"; -- Glass Hammer's "Felix the Cat", an adaptation of Felix Mendelssohn's 4th Symphony, 4th movement, on their disc "Perelandra"; -- Savatage's "Prelude to Madness", which adapts one of Grieg's Peer Gynt Suites ("In the Hall of the Mountain King"), from their disc of the same name; -- Savatage's "Christmas Eve (Sarajevo 12/24)", which adapts "Carol of the Bells", an old Christmas tune, from their disc "Dead Winter Dead"; or the Mozart themes played in "Mozart and Madness" on the same disc; -- Vitalij Kuprij and Greg Howe tearing up "Opus 1" (theme by Paganini) on Kuprij's solo disc "High Definition"; -- practically anything by Vanessa-Mae or Linda Brava (electric violins played by goddesses. Interesting stuff to say the least) -- the bits of Vivaldi that Angra throws in during "Evil Warning" off of their disc "Angels Cry"; -- the albums "Ho-Ho-Hoey", "Ho-Ho-Hoey II", and "Merry Axemas", all of which adapt "classical" Christmas tunes to electric guitar pieces. I know that ELP was very big on doing this sort of thing as well, but I'm an ELP neophyte so I can't give specifics. These are just a few examples; there's lots more that I can't remember offhand. These are all well-arranged and well-executed interpretations of the music, IMHO. They don't cheapen it and they don't profane it; they just make it sound different. And cool. And lest ye think I'm a classical hater, I suggest you look back about forty 'jams or so ago when the "classical music recommendations" thread was raging and see how many posts I contributed to it. :) Ta, Phil ========================================================= Phil Carter -- email_address_removed http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals Currently playing: David Arkenstone -- "In the Wake of the Wind" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:44:48 -0500 From: "sEEdROP" To: Subject: some worthless comments... Message-ID: <002f01bdc194$35c40000$7702f8cf@spike> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDC16A.49A842E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greets, I've been looking at a few past posts and have wanted to answer = them,, so here they go: Kevin vs. Derek: Believe it or not, I did not know Kevin had left the band until I bought = ACoS,,, I really didn't mind (or notice much) because FII was not out = until much later and I was already pretty well settled with DT as my = favorite band. When I finally bought FII, (which cost me roughly $20.43 = here in Mexico) I must admit I was a *bit* disappointed because of the = new writing style... Why?: No orgasmic soloing or enthralling accompaniments like in Only a Matter = of Time, Take the Time, Learning to Live, Erotomania, etc. etc. No more Kevin Moore lyrics (probably my favorite). What happened with You Not Me? It's pop rock! I really didn't LOVE Derek's contributions in Trial of Tears, Lines in = the Sand and Burning My Soul. and Anna Lee (anally) will never be considered as emotional as I think = of Wait For Sleep or Space Thy Vest. I'm really sorry but that's just my opinion, flame me if you want but I = really admire Kevin and is one of my favorite musicians (at least better = than Derek, whom I STILL respect for being part of the band that created = my perfect music) ..which leads me to the topic Favorite songs: WDADU: Only a Matter of Time. This song totally, completely kicks some = very serious ass... I mean, just listen to the keyboard solo,, its = fucken' amazing... and the lyrics are *really* deep and artistic too, = it's actually one of those songs I can relate to and adapt to my life = soundtrack (y'know, some guy mentioned something like that a long time = ago). I don't mind Charlie at all y'know... (Seconds:Status Seeker, The Killing Hand) I&W: Take The Time! By far, my greatest song in the history of my = life... you can really feel the unity and musicianship of DT throughout = the whole piece. Catchy tune, great solos, nice chorus, excellent beat, = hey, even the lyrics I like... (close Seconds: Learning to Live, Surrounded, Under a Glass Moon) Awake: Erotomania. Simply marvelous... It's actually a shame there are = no vocals,, that's why I'd like to tie this with The Mirror, which intro = is a dick and its variations in singing style complement perfectly the = heavy guitar parts along with the keys. (Seconds: Space Thy Vest, 6:00, Lifting Shadows of a Dream) FII: New Millenium. Why? Damn, the counterparts (keys, chap stick) rule! = Who else but DT? (Seconds: Peruvian Skies, Hell's Kitchen, Take Away My Pain) and now, chicks into DT: Well, at first there was my sister. I had just bought I&W and I thought = I'd let her hear it... and she (liking alternative bands like Nirvana = and Garbage and stuff) inocently asked me 'Why haven't I heard them = before? You know, maybe if the singer guy sang a little less pitchy they = could be famous and appear on MTV' So I simply gave up... Then there was my girlfriend (now my ex) and SHE (liking poppy singers = like Mariah Carey and Celine Dion) simply blurted out 'Stop that noise! = It's too loud!' on loud songs and 'That's boring' on soft songs. So, I = let her have it her way... Finally there was my cousin. She knows NOTHING about music, and has all = sort of music for herself (stuff that's recommended to her) she = typically asked me 'How do you find out about all these weird bands?' so = one day she listened to DT in my car and asked me to make her a = compilation of 'good songs she might like' from my cd's (she specified I = include stuff from that band she heard in my car) so I went right ahead = and did that... only to make her one of the only chicks I know who digs = prog. Cool huh? and finally, MORE worthless comments: I was looking at a school textbook and read this: 'The ordeal of the = Cherokee Indians, who were forcibly moved from their homeland in the = 1830's is remembered as the Trail of Tears.' Any relation? You think? pardon my bandwidth,=20 Alejandro Paredes sEEdROP uin 4187487 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDC16A.49A842E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greets, I've been looking at a few past posts and = have wanted=20 to answer them,, so here they go:
 
Kevin vs. Derek:
Believe it or not, I did not know Kevin had left the = band=20 until I bought ACoS,,, I really didn't mind (or notice much) because FII = was not=20 out until much later and I was already pretty well settled with DT as my = favorite band. When I finally bought FII, (which cost me roughly $20.43 = here in=20 Mexico) I must admit I was a *bit* disappointed because of the new = writing=20 style... Why?:
No orgasmic = soloing or=20 enthralling accompaniments like in Only a Matter of Time, Take the Time, = Learning to Live, Erotomania, etc. etc.
No more Kevin = Moore lyrics=20 (probably my favorite).
What happened = with You Not=20 Me? It's pop rock!
I really didn't LOVE Derek's contributions in Trial = of Tears,=20 Lines in the Sand and Burning My Soul.
and Anna Lee (anally) will never be considered as = emotional as=20 I think of Wait For Sleep or Space Thy Vest.
I'm really sorry but that's just my = opinion,=20 flame me if you want but I really admire Kevin and is one of my favorite = musicians (at least better than Derek, whom I STILL respect for being = part of=20 the band that created my perfect music)
...which leads me to the topic
 
Favorite songs:
WDADU: Only a Matter of Time. This song totally, = completely=20 kicks some very serious ass... I mean, just listen to the keyboard = solo,, its=20 fucken' amazing... and the lyrics are *really* deep and artistic too, = it's=20 actually one of those songs I can relate to and adapt to my life = soundtrack=20 (y'know, some guy mentioned something like that a long time ago).  = I don't=20 mind Charlie at all y'know...
(Seconds:Status Seeker, The Killing = Hand)
I&W: Take The Time! By far, my greatest song in the history of = my=20 life... you can really feel the unity and musicianship of DT throughout = the=20 whole piece. Catchy tune, great solos, nice chorus, excellent beat, hey, = even=20 the lyrics I like...
(close Seconds: Learning to Live, Surrounded, Under a Glass = Moon)
Awake: Erotomania. Simply marvelous... It's actually a shame there = are no=20 vocals,, that's why I'd like to tie this with The Mirror, which intro is = a dick=20 and its variations in singing style complement perfectly the heavy = guitar parts=20 along with the keys.
(Seconds: Space Thy Vest, 6:00, Lifting Shadows of a Dream)
FII: New Millenium. Why? Damn, the counterparts (keys, chap stick) = rule!=20 Who else but DT?
(Seconds: Peruvian Skies, Hell's Kitchen, Take Away My Pain)
 
and now, chicks into DT:
Well, at first there was my sister. I had just bought I&W and I = thought=20 I'd let her hear it... and she (liking alternative bands like Nirvana = and=20 Garbage and stuff) inocently asked me 'Why haven't I heard them before? = You=20 know, maybe if the singer guy sang a little less pitchy they could be = famous and=20 appear on MTV' So I simply gave up...
Then there was my girlfriend (now my ex) and SHE (liking poppy = singers like=20 Mariah Carey and Celine Dion) simply blurted out 'Stop that noise! It's = too=20 loud!' on loud songs and 'That's boring' on soft songs. So, I let her = have it=20 her way...
Finally there was my cousin. She knows NOTHING about music, and has = all=20 sort of music for herself (stuff that's recommended to her) she = typically asked=20 me 'How do you find out about all these weird bands?' so one day she = listened to=20 DT in my car and asked me to make her a compilation of 'good songs she = might=20 like' from my cd's (she specified I include stuff from that band she = heard in my=20 car) so I went right ahead and did that... only to make her one of the = only=20 chicks I know who digs prog. Cool huh?
 
and finally, MORE worthless comments:
I was looking at a school textbook and read this: 'The ordeal of = the=20 Cherokee Indians, who were forcibly moved from their homeland in the = 1830's is=20 remembered as the Trail of Tears.'  Any relation? You think?
 
pardon my bandwidth,
Alejandro Paredes
sEEdROP
uin 4187487
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