YTSEJAM Digest 4104

Today's Topics:

  1) Re: Where did all the Sad songs go?
 by Andrew James Embler <email_address_removed>
  2) Serenity -- the Band.
 by email_address_removed
  3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4103
 by email_address_removed
  4) Duplicity at it's greatest.
 by "KorgX3" <email_address_removed>
  5) the unknown kickass song
 by "BassicRob" <email_address_removed>
  6) Power Of Omens
 by Luke Bateup <email_address_removed.au>
  7) Hamsters in Ytseland?
 by AL <email_address_removed>
  8) Gemini
 by email_address_removed
  9) Vocals on loan from God & future progsters.
 by AL <email_address_removed>
 10) Re: Ytsejam on solo piano
 by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
 11) re: met II clip ! WHATTHE FUCK >:-
 by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
 12) Re: Mp3 decoders
 by Matej Grginic <email_address_removed>
 13) Re: Where did all the Sad songs go?
 by Digital Man <email_address_removed>
 14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4103
 by email_address_removed
 15) Metropolis 2
 by email_address_removed
 16) re: met II clip ! WHATTHE FUCK >:-
 by jOHN jENS <email_address_removed>
 17) Re: depressing tunes
 by Nathan Rood <email_address_removed>
 18) Met I BAss solo
 by "Schnipp" <email_address_removed>
 19) Explorers Club/MI in England
 by email_address_removed
 20) Video Tape Trading Standard - NDTC
 by email_address_removed

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 23:09:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andrew James Embler <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Where did all the Sad songs go?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


On Sat, 25 Jul 1998, Steven Dob wrote:

Well, at the risk of this thread starting into a simply a "sad song
listing"...I would have to say Kevin Gilbert's "Song for a Dead Friend",
off of Thud, is probably the most depressing song I've ever heard. Very
very painful...beautiful...but painful. Anyway, sorry for the NDTC. :)

Andrew


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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 02:10:21 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Serenity -- the Band.
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hey Mike Portnoy, all that you do and photography too.   In case MP is out
livinghis life, does anyone know if Serenity was the group opening for DT when
they were in Europe last month?

Nikki

~~Through Nature's Inflexible Grace~~
~~I'm Learning to Live -- J. Myung~~ 

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 03:21:02 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4103
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Richie said:

> I would suggest visiting the CA one before committing. The neighborhood
>  is...interesting.

yes, those not used to a Metropolis type living condition might be in for a
shock.  I on the other found it entertaining.  Everything I could want was in
walking distance.  I probably only put 2K miles on my truck the year I was
there.  I walked everywhere else.  And MI itself was a great experience for
me.

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 01:54:32 -0600
From: "KorgX3" <email_address_removed>
To: "Multiple recipients of list" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Duplicity at it's greatest.
Message-ID: <003801bdb86b$16e72360$1a0d84d0@korgx3>


>Whoa.... if these guys by any chance aren't DT (which is highly
>unlikely) then I wanna know who they are ...like NOW! :)
>OK, any of you guys recognize this as some rare song? Or is
>it really maybe the famous Met. 2?

Mork to Orson!  Come in Orson!

Man, remind me to do this when I release a CD someday.  It was obviously a
ploy (probably by Arash, <g>) to get you guys to actually listen to Empty
Tremors or whatever.  That kind of psychology is wonderful because it makes
you actually run and grab it, and many will believe "Hey, this really IS
DT!" and will be loving it.  Then when someone says, "Nah it's really (blah,
blah)" everyone jumps to buy the album.  YOU ARE ALL SHEEP!  DON'T BE
SUBDUED!  But then, a little psychological influence never hurt anyone.
Hell, I used the same ploy before by playing the ending of Cliffhanger
(Shadow Gallery) and telling people it was a clip from  Lines in the Sand
(before FII came out).  Worked like a charm; people said they would soon go
out and buy Carved in Stone.  Muahahahahah...

My plan:  I'll just write tiny little pieces of one song containing every
possible musical reference known to man: jazz, rap, grunge, prog, country,
etc. and make them all sound like real good recreations of that genre of
music.  Then I'll make a clip of each individual piece and post it to the
respective newgroup claiming it to be such and such, but then make an
anonymous post (via an IP scrambler) stating it was me.  Then people would
run to buy a CD full of my own shit with a 30 second clip of what they want
to hear and 70 minutes of what I want to play. :D  No money back guarantees
people, go fuck yourselves.

And the gluttonous shall devour the earth...  And the meek will still be
left with squat.

BTW, Loreena McKennitt rokz my nadz.
--KorgX3

"It's a ploy, it's a hoax!  They only want to make you think it's the Eiffel
Tower, but really we're in Japan...."--  Mr. Portnoy said something to that
effect once.


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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 04:19:40 -0400
From: "BassicRob" <email_address_removed>
To: "ytsejam" <email_address_removed>
Subject: the unknown kickass song
Message-ID: <01bdb86e$2363d360$ea1bcb98@default>


Hey Jammers-
I doubt that it is really Met pt. II because A) Portnoy usually has more of
a variety in his drumming passages and 2) why is there only 2:27 of the song
and not the whole demo???
it is choppy but very in synch with each of the band members. i like it and
if it is Met pII, then its fine with me! :)

   -Rob, email_address_removed        ICQ# 15762800
DT MP3 Archive, Artwork, LTE Desktop theme, bass solos, and me
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/1566



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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 19:38:38 +1000
From: Luke Bateup <email_address_removed.au>
To: Ytsejam <email_address_removed>
Subject: Power Of Omens
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.au>


Adam wrote:

> We just got in the new CD by progressive metal band Power Of Omens. If
> you are into Mike Portnoy or Mark Zonder (Fates Warning), you've got
> to hear this CD. The drummer is the most amazing rock/metal drummer I
> have ever heard.

So these guys finally got to release their debut album - and I'm glad
too since the demo tapes showed so much potential. Btw, I'll second the
opinions on the drummer - not the *best* I've heard, but definately one
of the best. Very Zonder-ish indeed. I'll be checkin' this disc out real
soon (and I recommend anyone else to do so too)

Cheerin'

Luke.

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 05:15:00 -0500
From: AL <email_address_removed>
To: retaehT maerD <email_address_removed>
Subject: Hamsters in Ytseland?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


I'm curious if any one else on the Jam is a Amateur radio operator?
_ ._ .    _ _ . _       _ _ .    .   N0NWW     . _ . .    . _      _      .       . _ .

--
See ya,   AL...     The YTSE Progtologist

Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems
http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html
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Never raise your hands to your kids.  It leaves your
groin unprotected.    - Red Buttons



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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 06:38:48 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Gemini
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hi. A brief word on that schizophrenic piece of music that John Petrucci
refuses to admit he ever wrote or played anywhere. One of my recent
acquisitions was his REH video entitled "Rock Discipline." You can hear the
opening strains of "Gemini" during the first title screen called "Warm-Up
Exercises." During the second "Warm-Up" screen you can hear the blast-off
section where the left hand progresses all over the fretboard repeating the
same technique in different positions. I've only watched the first eight
minutes, but I'm betting that more sections of "Gemini" will ensound as the
video unravels. THIS IS THE GEMINI I WAS REFERRING TO.


Bafu Vai


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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 06:34:49 -0500
From: AL <email_address_removed>
To: retaehT maerD <email_address_removed>
Subject: Vocals on loan from God & future progsters.
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Anyone else here think Ray Alder's vocals on "Nothing Left To Say" from
"Perfect Symmetry" are phenomenal?

How about Labrie's on "Another Day?"
********************************

There is hope for the youth of today...  I keep catching my 15 year
old daughter singing along to I&W, Awake, and Fates Warning's Parallels.
Def Leppard, Motley Crue and Aerosmith are getting regular rotation in her
CD player.   And she's changed radio stations too!    (I think (hope) her
Salt -N- Peppa days are over)        Whew.. now I won't have to kill her.
Now if I could just get her to return the CDs to their alphabetical order
I'd be thrilled!

NP: Explorers Club - Age of Impact   (I have some mixed feelings on this one)
--
See ya,   AL...     The YTSE Progtologist

Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems
http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Never raise your hands to your kids.  It leaves your
groin unprotected.    - Red Buttons



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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:24:32 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Ytsejam on solo piano
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.nl>



  Brain Fry asked :

> Help!  I deleted my past issues of the Ytsejam.
> I'm looking for the full audio clip of Ytsejam
> played on solo piano- where can I find this?

  Either go to UACM's Sound Clips section, or visit
  Serenity's site at http://www.icon.hu/~serenity/

  Mark Bredius
  _______________________________________________________
  Under A Cyber Moon - The Official Dream Theater Website
  http://www.dreamtheater.net/   E-mail: email_address_removed



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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 16:47:20 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed
Subject: re: met II clip ! WHATTHE FUCK >:-
Message-ID: <35BBC008.71DA@fh-niederrhein.de>


>ALF <email_address_removed> wrote :

>Metal fans,

>I just thought you would be interested :
>A friend of mine from UK has send me an audio clip and told me
>it's a part of the METROPOLIS 2 demo by Dream Theater !
>This clip kick ass. Dose anybody know the release date ?
>I've made it online so everyone can download it (only for a limited
>time).

>goto: http://www.Geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hanger/4774/kickass.htm
>ciao
>>ALF<

Man, you and your friend seems to be big assholes.  

I've read your message about Met II and was happy like a 4 years old child.
Hey, I really thought, I'm gona hear Metropolis II.
So I finally found the right URL (you can't even write) and download the clip.
And what have I found out ??

This bad jocker has ripped of our exclusive Empty Tremor sample from our site, which is
online now for about 4-5 days, and use it under a different name !

The audio clip is not from DT. It's a new Empty Tremor song !

Hey ALF, give me the email address of your friend in UK and I show him what 
a real bad jocke is.

Remove the sample from your site immediately. You are not allowed to use it.

Once agian the met II audio clip is not the real one.
It's excerpt from one of the new Empty Tremor demos for their next album.
I think, the Fan Club members have allready hear the original clip which
is online on our site.

Sure the clip kick ass. Hey it's Empty Tremor and they are the best ;-)
But I don't think it sounds like DT at all.
Maybe a bit of DT, Savatage (Mozart and Madness), Shadow Gallery and ET's own sound.
Who knows, maybe this is even better that Met II. Only MIKE P (aka The God) can answer this.

The sad thing is that, I don't know what the hell ALF has done and how many
emails he has sent through internet. Now everone seems to thinks, it's DT.

Btw, as far as I'm informed, there is a real clip of Metropolis II somewhere on the net.
I can remember, that months ago, I found a message where a guy has talked about it.
He said: " The song has 6 part".
One Heavy prog section. One all acoustic section. One all piano section.
One Met I reprise section and so on ...

You know there are so many rumours, you can't find out if its true or not. 

P.S. I always said : Empty Tremor kick ass.

Arash
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:15:47 +0200
From: Matej Grginic <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Mp3 decoders
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


<>I had some very disappointing results with Winamp decoder, the quality
<>just drops when I convert to wav. 
<
<Really? I've used WinAmp 1.92, running on WinNT, P2-300 with
<SCSI-3 hard drives, and have been able to convert MP3's to WAV's
<and they sound great. Maybe WinAmp's decoding quality is more
<hardware-dependant than some people would like.
<

I doubt it's the hardware, cause I'm running on P2 333 with 9G SCSI
disk, 256Mb RAM, so I guess it's not the computer resources that I'm
running low on. And the wavs that winamp makes are quite OK, but there's
an obvious drop of quality and in most cases I get a shitload of hiss,
which is what I'm trying to avoid when making audio CD's.
Also, is there any decent (MS Windows) software that helps reducing the
hiss and makes volume level adjustments? I heard there's some CD
Architect (or something) software, but dind't get to try it out yet.
Thanx heaps!

And I'm sorry for the NDTC, but since I'm trying to record DT mp3's, I
guess it's somewhat DT related hehe...or not.. :) 

Cheers,

     Matej

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 11:40:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Digital Man <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: Where did all the Sad songs go?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


A thousand monkeys in Steven Dob's basement typed:

>      I've noticed something in todays music. The true sad and depressing 
> song has gone by the wayside. What ever hapened to them? I mean, when i 
> was in the right mood, I could listen to songs like that for hours. I 
> still do, as a matter of fact. yes, there are sad song sout today, but 
> to me, they don't seem to have the same kind of emotion that they used 
> to have. I don't know, i could be wrong. I'm only human, and god does 
> that depress me.

"Sad songs" still exist, but, as you said, they are devoid of the kind
of emotion that the songs I know you mean have in abundance.  There's
a new song by Matchbox 20 (don't kill me!  I have friends that listen
to that stuff!) about how much I hate living in the real world, yada
yada yada.  Typical grunge-era whiny "I hate my life" stuff.  (Maybe
if they stopped wearing polyester...)  It's unfortunate that that's
what today's typical "sad song" is, as opposed to something like "Take
Away My Pain."  I think it's just another reminder that people today
are looking to be entertained as quickly and as efficiently as
possible, without having to think or feel too much.

The solution: Keep appreciating (and buying) art that moves you.
It'll come around, someday.

Fingers crossed,
-d

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 12:03:10 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4103
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


hey i'm got a question.  i heard that dream theater its putting out a double
cd of live shit form their european tour. i'm just curious when this is
suppost to be coming out and what songs are on it. thanks

dou

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 12:35:48 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Metropolis 2
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


There is no way that's DT.  The drums are too sloppy and are not as creative
as Mike Portnoy can be.  Guitar and Keyboards are too slow and not creative.
And John Myung would do a little bit more with it.  It is also sloppy, the way
the drummer hits the cymbals and the way the whole band plays together is off.
I remember Petrucci saying this would be the most insane song ever written.
What that unknown song was, was nothing close to insane.  This is just an
unknown band saying that this is Dream Theater so that when they do admit to
not being themselves, people think they are just as good.  But thinking that
this unknown band is just as good is an insult to DT.

Later,
Justin

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 13:29:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: jOHN jENS <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: re: met II clip ! WHATTHE FUCK >:-
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


On Sun, 26 Jul 1998, Arash Ashouriha wrote:

[...snip...]
| This bad jocker has ripped of our exclusive Empty Tremor sample from our site, which is
| online now for about 4-5 days, and use it under a different name !

kinda like Empty Tremor ripped off DT.

| Sure the clip kick ass. Hey it's Empty Tremor and they are the best ;-)  But
| I don't think it sounds like DT at all.  Maybe a bit of DT, Savatage (Mozart

anyone with this mp3, listen to the first 15 seconds and tell me how many DT
themes are represented. i'm counting at least 4.

| and Madness), Shadow Gallery and ET's own sound.  Who knows, maybe this is
| even better that Met II. Only MIKE P (aka The God) can answer this. 

hahahaHAHAHAHAHA...

| The sad thing is that, I don't know what the hell ALF has done and how many
| emails he has sent through internet. Now everone seems to thinks, it's DT.

no, the sad thing is...sorry, i won't go there.

--
jOHN jENS  +  email_address_removed  +  www2.webzone.net/~jjens


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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:25:53 -0400
From: Nathan Rood <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: depressing tunes
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>




email_address_removed wrote:

>       I've noticed something in todays music. The true sad and depressing
> song has gone by the wayside. What ever hapened to them? I mean, when i
> was in the right mood, I could listen to songs like that for hours. I
> still do, as a matter of fact. yes, there are sad song sout today, but
> to me, they don't seem to have the same kind of emotion that they used
> to have. I don't know, i could be wrong. I'm only human, and god does
> that depress me.

    Go download KevMo's new tune 'Colorblind' right this moment.  Sure gets me going.  I wouldn't really know about the whole album though, as I'm still waiting for my copy via the disgruntled postal service.

np: Queensryche-Rage for Order.  Old school, guys.

-Nate
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new! email address:             \ ICQ: 6170743
mailto:email_address_removed /
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"There are two ways to get through life easily; to believe everything,
or to believe nothing.  Both release the mind from thinking."
Earl Hindman
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 20:36:01 +0200
From: "Schnipp" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: Met I BAss solo
Message-ID: <01bdb8c4$3da70a20$LocalHost@schnipp>


Hi, in his video booklet it is transcribed like this:
If you are the guy that wrote only the bass-solo and not any of the
transcriptions of the entire song, than you did a pretty good job, allthough
I'm still convinced, John Myung plays it a little different.
#1 2   3  4     1     2  3+    4
------------11-------------------
-----4-----------------4--99----
---------9--------9-------------9-
--2--------------------------------
-----------------------------------

Goes from root f# to g to a to b
>And so one, I think, correct me if I'm wrong.
Just did.
schnipp


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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:39:45 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Explorers Club/MI in England
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hi

I live in the UK and I was wondering whether or not AOI has been released
properly or is only available from places like CDNOW on the net, because I've
tried to order it but nowhere has it on there computers at all, not even on
import.

There is an MI in England, its in London, but it doesn't look as good as the
one in California.

Simon Christie

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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 1998 14:52:13 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Video Tape Trading Standard - NDTC
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


okay - this has to do with the Dream Theater tape trading community, but can
apply to any video tape trades.

WHY DO PEOPLE INSIST ON MAXELL HGX-GOLD AS THE VIDEO TAPE TRADE STANDARD?  I
am 100% positive TDK E-HG is a better (and even cheaper) tape.  I will of
course honor any trader's tape preference, but I would suggest that the
community make the move over to TDK E-HG.  The fact is Maxell USED to be good,
but they have since cut corners.

Okay, picky picky - BUT I know there are a lot of trades occuring so I don't
think this is too out there.

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