YTSEJAM Digest 4098 Today's Topics: 1) IM AN IDIOT by email_address_removed (Carlos Alfaro) 2) re: Finding Empty Tremor, cheap. by Arash Ashouriha 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4097 by Jason Earle 4) LTE, 7-strings... by "Thomas Forcier" 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4095 by Jason Earle 6) Power of Omens by "Adam Saunders" 7) re: Finding Empty Tremor, cheap. by Al Balkiewicz 8) re: Laser's Edge by TheCowGod 9) LEARNING DT SONGS & MISC. by "Eric Gifford" 10) Re: Admission fee by email_address_removed (Mike Marshall) 11) Spice of Magellan? by Mike Pontrelli 12) EC by BILL HUSTON 13) cover charge? by "Jan-Michael" 14) Dallas Portnoy Clinic by "Jan-Michael" 15) Re: Spice of Magellan? by email_address_removed (Carlos Alfaro) 16) Re: Portnoy clinic charges... by "Mike Patrick" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:38:56 -0300 From: email_address_removed (Carlos Alfaro) To: email_address_removed Subject: IM AN IDIOT Message-ID: I didnt realize i just sent the entire page thru the jam!! SH|T!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 19:07:00 -0700 From: Arash Ashouriha To: email_address_removed Subject: re: Finding Empty Tremor, cheap. Message-ID: <35B93DC4.3AC6@fh-niederrhein.de> Jeff wrote : >Hello, >Chances are, Arash is going to see this and probably will have the info I >need. So, here I go. I want to buy the young fellas' CD, but frankly >CDNOW's price is outrageous. After postage, it's about $27. Any >alternatives so I can get it at $20 or less? >Thanks, >Jeff E. Ok here is the info : You can get "Apocolokyntosys" really cheap from CDnow if you use this URL : http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/redirect/leaf=from=mad:w:oni:reag:yswst The CD is on backorder so you must pleace your order and wait and wait. But you can get it for 13 $ untill August !!! You can also try http://www.knightsoftheround.com. They have the CD for 18 $ in their stock. You must add the postage costs. WE (THE EYES OF UNIVERSE FAN CLUB) OFFER THE CD FOR 20 $ INC POSTAGE AND PACKAGE. Visit our page (merchandise) for more info. We are very fast and will send the CD out just after recieving the payment. I hope this info will help anyone who is interested in buying this masterpice. Please help the band and buy their album. They must sell records to survive. Just trust me. You wont be dissapointed. Hear the samples and judge for yourself. NP : Rush - Live in USA 91 Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | The Eyes Of Universe - The Official EMPTY TREMOR Fan Club Site | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1794/ | | | | by Arash and Arman Ashouriha email: email_address_removed.de | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:06:09 +0000 From: Jason Earle To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4097 Message-ID: > I was just wondering what DT songs the musicians on the Jam > learnt > first. I started with YTSEJam, probably as it is one of my > favourites, > and have just started to jam with PMU (which I think I should > have > started with). > > I haven't studied the songs note for note or used a tab but > rather > jammed along with them, stopping to learn the bits that cause a > problem and just having fun. > > Dave (The Drummer) I was a dumbass and started learning Dream Theater songs first, before I even looked at the basics of guitar. I baught a guitar, solid state amp, and the tablature to Images and Words and was confident that I'd master all songs within eight (no joke...8) days. I thought this was possible because: 1) Sherlock Holmes (I know he's fiction) could master any instrument (except violin) within 3 days, and I'm pretty friggin' bright. 2) Look at most of the morons who were decent at guitar at my highschool. LOOK AT THEM! How hard could it be? 3)Not having played, I honestly couldn't tell the challenging stuff (D.T.) from the easy (Offspring). Needless to say I floundered miserably.However, three years later, I'm happy to say that I can play everything off of I&W well (not PERFECTLY, but what fun would it be if there was nothing to shoot for), as well as everything (almost) on Awake written for 6 string. I'd recomend (if you go the tablature route) to start with pieces of PMU, erotomania, and LTL for starters. You wont be able to play everything in them, but enough to make you want to try more. Try AD and SM for learning chords. TTT, UAGM, 6:00, and Mpt1 all gave me problems at first, so if you can master these you know you're doing great (or at least better than me...) Hope this helps - one more point: DON'T start out on this type of music. I find myself making stupid mistakes on relatively easy parts because i started making those mistakes three years ago, while stuff that can be considered as hard (some Randy Rhoads or Yngwie) comes more naturally now that I've got a few years under my belt. Get all your mistakes out of your system on songs you don't care if you play again. I know that some of you who have been professionally instructed or have been playing a lot longer will probably disagree, but if you're teaching yourself, this should help. Take care! -Jason "Loooeeeeeee" Earle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:19:36 -0400 From: "Thomas Forcier" To: Subject: LTE, 7-strings... Message-ID: Hello, With all this talk about LTE not having a lasting feel, keep in mind the disc was all about off-the-cuff musical ideas. In the liner notes, it describes the process of how the songs were written, but one can tell that much of the playing is spontaneous. With the amount of carefully proscribed DT, Dregs, and Crimson material these guys have done, they deserve a chance to just cut loose and see what happens. I, for one, do hear emotion in some of the performances. And while there is the requisite element of "wankery" (not meant in a derogatory manner), I think the energy shows through in this playing. A lot of this music is just the result of these four guys being excited to play with one another. My only complaint about the CD is its somewhat difficult to discern Tony Levin in the mix at times. I'm also happy to see that Kevin Shirley has turned into "more than a producer" for the band. Let's face it, he didn't do LTE for the money. I always like albums better when it seems that the band had more of a say in the production. For instance, the best Extreme albums are the where ones Nuno had a big hand in producing. As for all this talk about alternatives to Ibanez 7-strings, has anyone ever played a Schecter? http://www.schecterguitars.com/ has their guitars, and I must say, I like their appearance, and they have more options than Ibanez offers (drop-tuner for the low B, trem or fixed-bridge, and more). I'm not pleased with the RG 7-strings, and Universes are too expensive. Anyone have opinions on Schecter? They also have a cool 10-string guitar (a 12-string with no octaves for the low E and A). Lastly, can anyone point me to a website that features either The Stick or an 8-string guitar a la Charlie Hunter? Thanks. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:15:54 +0000 From: Jason Earle To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4095 Message-ID: > Jason wrote: > > >NP: "Bugz on my Nugz" - ICP > > Hey, someone on this list listens to (or has heard of) ICP. For all > you > who have not heard these guys they are extremely funny, I suggust you > all try to give it a listen sometime. As a disclaimer it is rap, so > its > not something I could spend days listening to, and I'm not gonna play > it > for a hot date, but it's a riot once in a while. BTW Jason, where you > from? I'm from Ann Arbor, Mi, so ICP is close to home. Anyhoo dont > want > to waste any more space with all this usless ndtc so I'll leave, bye- > > Matt Stanich (Scan That Mit) I thought I was the only person in the world who liked both DT and ICP. The guy who introduced me to them ( also a Marine) listened to Awake (which I thought was the easiest to get into for macho guys who like heavy Maiden-esque type stuff), and said he couldn't get into it. Even listened to it a few times because i told him how much ass DT kicks. Oh well, he's a great guy, but kinda limited in musical taste. And I live in Northern Va. This guy lived in Cleveland, and saw them live and at promo events many times. They even hit on his girlfriend once "Hey, who came in with this HOT LOOKIN' BITCH?!?!". My friend STILL brags about that. ICP strikes me as something Mike Portnoy would get a kick out of, seing as how he does listen to some rap. How about it? Any closet ICP fans out there? -Looeeeeee (Marine) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:31:40 -0400 From: "Adam Saunders" To: Cc: Subject: Power of Omens Message-ID: <000e01bdb728$ebe57420$5dbad6d1@default> Jon Wrote: >I have the $5 demo tape they had available...over a year ago, now. That >was the first thing I noticed was the drummer stood out as being quite >talented. >Is the band still together? I thought I remember seeing a post months >back about them splitting. Yes. They are still together. I had hooked them up with DCA Records and they were going to release their album on DCA, but I think DCA folded. Maybe that's where you heard they had split up. The band ended up signing with Elevate Records and have now released their new CD 'Eyes Of The Oracle'. We sold out in a week and are waiting for more copies. The CD is amazing....especially the 20 minute long "Test Of Wills". Adam ============================================== The Arena Online CD Store http://www.arenamusic.com mailto:email_address_removed We specialize in progressive metal! ============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:34:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: Finding Empty Tremor, cheap. Message-ID: On Fri, 24 Jul 1998, Arash Ashouriha wrote: > WE (THE EYES OF UNIVERSE FAN CLUB) OFFER THE CD FOR 20 $ INC POSTAGE AND PACKAGE. > Visit our page (merchandise) for more info. > We are very fast and will send the CD out just after recieving the payment. > Hopefully, it's faster than the demo tapes people were supposed to get. It's been a couple of months, and I still haven't gotten mine. yeah, yeah.... pot. kettle. black. yadda yadda......... :) Arash if you can e-mail me privately abuot this, it'd be great. -Al ===================================================================== b l i n d l a b o r s t h e b l i n d a n d I a m u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ email_address_removed OR email_address_removed OR email_address_removed HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:02:00 -0400 From: TheCowGod To: email_address_removed Subject: re: Laser's Edge Message-ID: >I am. I've ordered from Laser's Edge several times, and each time I've >tried CC it takes longer. And the idea that 9 discs take longer to get them >in is also off, because before ordering I call or email to confirm >availability. alright. i've never actually ordered from lasers edge, just voicing my thoughts. moo. *** END OF TRANSMISSION *** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:06:14 +0100 From: "Eric Gifford" To: email_address_removed Subject: LEARNING DT SONGS & MISC. Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2403D4343E86E5B8B02A34CF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is my first post to ytsejam so I hope I don't screw it up and get flamed for a week. There's been some traffic recently that inspired me make a few comments. Please remember, they are just my opinions, I could be wrong. In response to David about learning DT songs (guitar for me, maybe drums for you?). Man that's a lot of fun huh? Well I did start with PMU and mostly learned by ear like you. I picked up the I&W book when it came out and that helped clear up a couple of the stickier licks (like that ascending part only a couple minutes in). I think Metropolis came after that. I've got it down fairly well, but I still get hooked up on that excruciatingly fast part about a minute into the first big instrumental break. The end of that section took me a LONG time to pick up as well. Ytsejammers will know which one I speak of. Not even so much because of the fingering but because of the timing. Damn those guys are good huh? UAGM was probably 3rd, mostly because of the solo. You cover all kinds of chops in that one. Come to think of it, I'd learned about as much as I could off of I&W before Awake came out. I didn't even have WDADU yet and only knew of Ytsejam from the Japan video. I actually just learned that a couple of weeks ago with a little help from some tab off of the Under a Cyber Moon page. That's a TON of fun to play. What really pissed me off about Awake was that I had owned a Universe but sold it before Awake was released. I was so pissed to hear tunes like Caught in a Web where I was DYING for my 7-string again! Live and learn. Erotomania was probably the first song I learned off of Awake. The transcription came out in Guitar World one month and I loved the tune already. ACOS...where is my damn 7-string!?!?! I'm so close to buying another one just so I can jam along with it. FII has some great stuff to learn as well. I really want to get a transcription to Millenium. There's a couple parts in the keyboard/guitar break which I can't pin down. Every now and then I think I've landed it but not quite. You not me was the first one off of FII that I learned all the way through. I've noodled with some of the others, but mostly the first 2 songs on the album. I think the "classics" a good ytsejammer (I'm a guitarist so please don't scream at me keyboardists, bassists, and drummers if your list is different!) should be able to play through (at least the basics and fake the tough parts) are: Ytsejam Pull Me Under Take the Time Metropolis Under a Glass Moon Learning to Live Caught in Web Erotomania You not Me I know I've left out the "softer" tunes, but I'm partial to the heavier ones. I do like the softer side of DT, but not so much to play, more to listen. I'm also pretty partial to I&W, as I think it's my favorite DT album. Ok, I know this thread is getting WAY long, but I wanted to say something quick about the LTE comments floating around. I first have to say that I LOVE this album. It's the best new CD to hit my player since....FII. :-) However, I do think some of these people have a point in terms of it not being not quite as...."polished"....as say any of the DT albums. I don't think it's fair to say they totally lack any emotion or feel, but they might not have as much as they could have given more time. I think KorgX3 nailed it when he said that given more time, the songs would have just kicked even more ass. And I too hope that if there is an LTE2, they don't hold themselves to a week deadline, and are allowed to spend more time. Hell, if it was up to me, I'd wait 6 months for a new LTE double CD! Any hopes MP!?!?! Just quick question to anyone who loves LTE like I do. Did you just tingle all over when you first popped that sucker in and got spanked with Paradigm Shift???? I think that is the coolest song and they couldn't have started the album off any better. It totally made a statement and I was so psyched to listen to the rest after that. --------------2403D4343E86E5B8B02A34CF Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Gifford, Eric Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Eric Gifford n: Gifford;Eric org: Motorola adr;dom: ;;6501 William Cannon Drive West;Austin;Texas;78735-8598; email;internet: email_address_removed title: TSG Product/Test Engineering tel;work: 512-895-4566 tel;fax: 512-895-8789 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE version: 2.1 end: vcard --------------2403D4343E86E5B8B02A34CF-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 13:43:23 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Mike Marshall) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Admission fee Message-ID: Hell No!!! I'll pay $5 to see Portnoy do a clinic, any day. I just hope there's a good reason for it other than Mom's figures they can make some easy cash off Portnoy's appearance. Michael On Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Pasi Sundqvist writes: > >So Michael, >Like, do you think 5$ is too much for seeing Mike on a drum clinic? >cool! I think these guys really are Gods. Gods? Talent on loan from, maybe. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:41:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Pontrelli To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Spice of Magellan? Message-ID: Maybe its becaused I am really stressed, but I swear I hear a bit of Spice Girls at about 2:00 in "paragons of innocence" off of "Wake of Magellan". am I losing my mind?!?!?! HELP!!! -Ponte ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 12:50:36 -0600 From: BILL HUSTON To: email_address_removed Subject: EC Message-ID: That's Explorer's Club I had an idea to help this out in sales. I called Media Play and asked if they were actually getting copieS of this Tuesday. They're getting in ONE whopping copy. Woo hoo. Next door is Circuit City. I called them with the same question-same answer, one copy. How are they supposed to sell this thing if all they order is one copy? This is the most frustrating thing about this music, they're afraid to sell it. This does not bode well since I've turned on 5 people to LTE. These same folks want EC, since I've told them about it based on their acceptance of LTE. This means I HAVE to be first so I get MY copy :> Seriously though, who decides how many copies a store gets, the store or the label. My guess is the store since MC would want every store to get as many copies as they can hold. I hope they get flooded with requests for this so they can see the errors of their ways.. Any bets on how many Hansons they'll sell :< Wilmo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:01:58 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" To: "Ytsejam" Subject: cover charge? Message-ID: <000201bdb735$887105a0$ae2e88cf@jammer> The Dallas Portnoy drum clinic at Guitar Center was free admission. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 14:01:57 -0500 From: "Jan-Michael" To: "Ytsejam" Subject: Dallas Portnoy Clinic Message-ID: <000101bdb735$87b0c2e0$ae2e88cf@jammer> > Ryan Whitaker said... > >Also, it was cool seeing Jan-Michael again. Ryan it was a pleasure to see you again and swap stories! >After I waited around an hour in the autograph line, >I forgot the three questions I was going to ask Mike. >That sucks, but it was cool talking to him again. Yeah!! I totally blanked out when it was my turn to get my Fan Club '97 CD, Awake, and Falling Into Infinity CD covers signed!!! But I was able to kiss his ass with this statement... "Mike, I told you two years ago when you were in Dallas last time for your drum clinic that DT was my fave band, and you guys still are definitely my fave band." Of course Mike being the class guy looked directly at me and thanked me with much meaning. It was a great clinic and a great night!! JM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1998 15:00:47 -0300 From: email_address_removed (Carlos Alfaro) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Spice of Magellan? Message-ID: Mike Pontrelli wrote: > Maybe its becaused I am really stressed, but I swear I hear a bit of Spice > Girls at about 2:00 in "paragons of innocence" off of "Wake of Magellan". > > am I losing my mind?!?!?! > > HELP!!! > > -Ponte LOL!!!! Ive always said that, in the part where JO sings something like "bla bla do what you wanna do you know you shouldnt do it but you do it anyway" ( i dont have the lyrics near me) it sounded like that spice girl tune. ( all of them? :) Kind of like the bobby brown song on the chorus! :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 17:19:07 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" To: "DT" Subject: Re: Portnoy clinic charges... Message-ID: >So Michael, >Like, do you think 5$ is too much for seeing Mike on a drum clinic? No, read my original post. I said I'd gladly fork over the money. My problem with the money is if some of the clinics are free, that by implication means that those that are charging are profiting from it. And I'm sorry, but $10 is total bullshit if Portnoy is not getting a cut of that. Period. Mike Patrick Indianapolis, IN email_address_removed ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4098 **************************