YTSEJAM Digest 4078 Today's Topics: 1) set list for DT/ELP/DP tour? by email_address_removed 2) Re: SoC gripes by email_address_removed 3) Problems with the LiveConcerts broadcast by email_address_removed 4) Re: Complaining about complaining about complaining - here we go again by email_address_removed 5) Re: Joe Jackson by Steve Zebrowski 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4077 by Steve Zebrowski 7) Re: We are the "Be Sharps" by email_address_removed 8) Re: Scientific Experiment by email_address_removed 9) la maiden show postponed by email_address_removed 10) Take the Time by Pat Griffin 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4076 by Richard Warren 12) music for parents by "Alex Smith" 13) Progressive Science by email_address_removed 14) Symphony X Pt. 2 by email_address_removed 15) X-Japan 101 (just kidding =) by "Tetsu Hamanaka" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 22:48:08 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: set list for DT/ELP/DP tour? Message-ID: I've already seen this question posted, but haven't found a clear answer (unless I missed it): Does anyone know how long and what is Dream Theater's set list on this tour? I'm interested in going to see it (Hartford, CT) but if it's going to be short I don't want to pay the any of the prices that the Hartford Meadows usually charges. Thanks, Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:03:52 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: SoC gripes Message-ID: Well, I have to agree with a few of the gripes some people brought up. I was dissappointed that there was no 2 cd case, and that the covers were slightly bent up in shipping. One thing that pissed me off is that the rear tray card is made to fit in a "chubby" "2-cd" case, rather than a slimline. Now I know, 20 bucks is very cheap for a 2 cd set of extremely high audio quality, but it just seems like Mike throws everything together. You know what I wouldn't mind seeing? Mike should have some high quality bitmaps of the covers available for download on his site, so maybe if some of us choose, we could save them and have them printed at kinko's or something, to have them look slightly more professional. I'm gonna have Mike Portnoy autograph the cover, and its embarassing how flimsy it is. Well, anyway, I have to say, it is a great sounding boot, if not the best looking! Art www.joestump.com oh, btw, yes, $1.24 is book rate shipping via usps ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:08:58 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Problems with the LiveConcerts broadcast Message-ID: Hey, did anyone have problems getting the RealVideo thing to work on that broadcast? My parents have a Compaq Presario with 233 MHz Pentium II and a big HD and a 56K modem, and 32m RAM and all that fast sh*t, but I had a hell of a time trying to get it to happen. I had the real video connection going before the show started, but then I lost it and couldn't get it to work. Then I couldn't get the real audio to work either and when I did, the sound sucked and it kept going out like a distant radio station. I have realaudio player 5.0 along with some Microsoft download that supposedly gets rid of some bugs, but it obviously didn't help. The only thing I can think of is the fact that due to crappy phone lines in the area, I guess, I can't connect any faster than 28.8Kbs (yes, I have AOL properly set with 56K phone numbers and it knows I have a 56K modem and all that), which I understand is the minimum connection speed for real audio or video to work properly. Is that all that was holding it back? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:12:29 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Complaining about complaining about complaining - here we go again Message-ID: Some dickhead whined, > So, now we have shitheads bitching about what the newest DT 2cd live > case will come in? F**k the packaging, you F**king Assholes! You should > be happy we are getting a legitimate release (2cds, no doubt) from > Dream Theater!!!!! If you are bitching about the packaging, then you > f**king suck!!! You fucking sucking and if you don't agree that you fucking suck, then you fucking suck !!!!!! :o) And DICKHEAD, we weren't complaining. How do you fucking complain about something that hasn't happened yet? No, what took place was a discussion about a PREFERENCE for a single slot 2 CD package. And why discuss it here - maybe because Portnoy reads the jam. That doesn't mean we expect Portnoy to make an effort to "take care of this". Why would you dare ask for an autograph at a concert? Can't you be happy that they are in your town playing? The autograph is a nice little bonus - but not getting an autograph wouldn't spoil the day. Just as not getting a single slot CD case wouldn't spoil the album. Instead it would just be a neat little bonus. Do you think we really would bitch and moan if it came in a bulky 2 CD case? I wouldn't. The point was to state a preference before the CD is actually in print. Now complaining after the fact would in fact be BITCHING. > As a long-time fan, I'm completely dissapointed in > anyone who complains about something this stupid. Maybe they should go > listen to a group whose packaging suits them (Hey, Indigo Girls have > nice packing "I've made some dike mad!") Dumb ass. You act as though we are attacking the band. WE WEREN'T ATTACKING anyone, let alone the band. So glad you are a "long-time" fan. Was your inclusion of "long-time" supposed to add weight to your rant? Your rant reeks of "If you don't love (insert country), then get the fuck out!" Fuck you dumb fuck dick shit head (this last sentence is a translation into what seems to be your native tongue) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:42:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Joe Jackson Message-ID: > Thanks to all the people who recommended Joe Jackson. Yesterday I > bought Night Music and it's really pretty. A cross between folk and > Ryuichi Sakamoto's 1996. Only one bum track ("Flying"--ugh, what awful > keyboard sounds on this one It's always good to start with the best. :) "Flying" is also the one I always skip. Somewhere in my video collection I have a recording of Joe and his small touring ensemble playing "Only the Future" on Conan O'Brien. Sweet. If you like Night Music, I'm pretty sure you'll like Heaven and Hell, his latest release, and first release on Sony Classical. Everything before these two is in the pop/adult contemporary vein, but the best pop you ever heard. By his Blaze of Glory album, Joe had pushed the envelope of pop music as far as it could go. Joe is one of the few artists with whom I would recommend becoming acquainted in REVERSE chronological order. This is because Joe just gets better and better. :) I fell in love with the Man's music through his "Live 1980/86" set. A perfect scrapbook of his career thus far. One album, "Blaze of Glory" is recorded with no spaces between tracks. Very cool. > ... should have kept to the Ondes Martenot, > which is a beautiful sounding instrument). Now, I've heard the CD and I've even seen a picture of an Ondes Martenot, but could you maybe tell me a little more about it? Private email is fine. EVERYONE: 1) Go get JJ's "Night Music," 2) Love it, 3) Go get "Heaven and Hell." Simple. :) Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:50:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4077 Message-ID: > Hi again!!! > I just noticed how cool Christian P Kremo's signature is (-C#), and I > figured out I can do the same thing, only mine would be a non-existing > note... --8<--SNIP--8<-- > > -E# Get away from the piano! :) E# DOES exist! Say you're playing in c# minor and want to play a V7/ii, or you want to end on a Picardy third; both of those chords contain the MAJOR third of a c# scale: e#. As much as E# exists, so does B#, as well as Fb and Cb. And for that matter, Fx and Ebb. :) Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:21:10 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: We are the "Be Sharps" Message-ID: In a message dated 7/17/98 7:41:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, email_address_removed writes: > Hi again!!! > I just noticed how cool Christian P Kremo's signature is (-C#), and I > figured out I can do the same thing, only mine would be a non-existing > note (yes, it is a such rip-off, but what the hell, I like the idea!). > Christian, I hope I count with your approval. ;) > > -E# okay - just so you know - E# DOES exist as a note. It is the same pitch as F - but not the same note. If you understand music theory, you know what I mean. To make my point - the notes of the F# harmonic minor scale are: F#, G#, A, B, C#, D, E# well, there it is - E#. If you said the notes of the F# harmonic minor scale are: F#, G#, A, B, C#, D, F then you are wrong and should take a music theory class. Okay, so I am being picky - but you should beat the crap out of any teacher that tells you the following notes do not exist: B#, Cb, E#, Fb If your teacher tells you these notes do not exist, run. That teacher is not helping you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:42:05 -0500 (CDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Scientific Experiment Message-ID: <> Ok, interesting thing here. My dad took me to see genesis in 93, and even though it isnt the linup I am into now (Gabriel stuff) it had a very big impact on me. I still remember that i knew all the words to their 20 minute song Suppers Ready when I was in 4th grade! Most of the music at that time, my dad turned me on to. ELP came shortly, and by that time I had picked up guitar and he turned me on to Eric Clapton (although I no longer listen to him). I was NEVER influenced by any other kid my age to listen to c-rap and alturnative. Yes came along a few years later (when I had heard all the stuff Genesis and ELP had to offer ;-). Heres where it gets weird. A friend of mine who worked in a comic store suggested Pink Floyd to me. You'd think my dad would have liked them....no, he thinks they suck. Ok, Gilmour is my new guitar god. The same guy suggests Rush. my dad hates them too. After listening to ELP for a bit, I picked up Greg Lakes' King Crimson album and got into them too. My dad isnt very fond of them either. OK, a little less than a year ago I got frustrated that I could not find any new prog bands. All the bands that I liked at this point were 40+. My friend on AOL, Perk1994, suggests Dream Theater to me. I go and buy FII. Cool. a new prog band! Maybe pops will be interested. WRONG! He went with me to see them and he found Portnoy to be dull (of all things) and the rest of them to be pompus and "all flash." Now my dad is buying Hole and Garbage CDs. As well as condeming the prog that he once loved. Middle age crisis to act young? Eh. All I'm saying is that it turned out backwards between us. I got into all the prog, HE got into all the mainstream. BTW, he hates LTE too. Matt "chuckles wants REAL eggs." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 21:56:11 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: la maiden show postponed Message-ID: According to the email I got from KNAC, the show was postponed due to Maiden's singer being ill. The thing that really sux is that according to the Dio web site, his last performance with the tour is going to be Saturday night in San Diego. I have no idea if he'll be performing at the 8/2 show or not. It certainly is annoying as hell to get to a venue only to find a sign saying the show is postponed. I'm just glad I only live 5 minutes away! :-) rockercat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 00:07:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin To: ThE NuGgeTjAm Subject: Take the Time Message-ID: Just wanted to clear up the arguments about who wrote what in TTT: 1st Verse: Portnoy 2nd Verse: Myung Chorus: Portnoy ("It's time to take the time") Moore ("You can feel the waves coming on") 3rd Verse: Petrucci Bridge: Moore ("I can see clearly now, I'm blind") Outro: Portnoy Moore A newer version of the FAQ has been online for about a week now. I would have announced it on here already, but I'm still restructuring and adding new stuff in. I've gotten some good questions in email, so keep them coming. h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o / | Pat Griffin email_address_removed Reality Squared Design | h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o / ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:12:30 -0500 From: Richard Warren To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4076 Message-ID: >this is because some people in some foreign countries the CD cases come in >slightly different dimensions, or something like that, and since an uncut >liner can always be cut, but not vice versa, he opted to do the thing which >accomodates everyone. I have not understood this one. First, it is hard to imagine that the CD cases are that different in size. Second, if the case is a different size then the person has a white border around the image (if the case is larger) or has to crop the image (if the case is smaller). I would have loved for mine to have been cut and insert into 1 of the 2 cases (this is a point of a little gripe. I just purchased a package of 10 slimline 2CD cases for $7 at Computer City. That's only $.70 a case. I'll bet you can beat that price in quantity.) As it is, mine arrived wrinkled all to shit and folded across the image instead of the white part of the paper. I have since scanned the image and reprinted it. It looks better than the original. I guess I sound like I am coming down on Mike but I really do not mean to. I know there were problems that caused the late CDs and it doesn't bother me. I know for a fact that Mike WILL NOT rip me off. I do not like to wait for my CDs but I will. Its not that big a deal. I will continue to purchase all of his Dream Theater releases because the audio quality is usually excellent. However, the packaging of late has really gone to shit. My $0.02 worth that no one asked for. :) Richard email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 23:38:47 -0700 From: "Alex Smith" To: "YTSEJAM" Subject: music for parents Message-ID: <01bdb216$b7e1dfe0$message_id_removed> Jeez! That's just what I've been doin' for the past five years, but with MY PARENTS. My mom's the one with Green Day and my dad's the one with DT... And I must say that my Dad's a lot smarter that my mom.... Thank you Dream Theater, now I know how I'm going to raise my kids! wow! my mom listens to beethoven, mozart, and joni mitchell et nauseam. it's not that i dislike joni mitchell-i think she's a very creative and individual person-but hearing "morning morgantown" OVER AND OVER AND OVER gets a little tiring. my dad, when he's in the depressive of his manic-depression :-| doesn't like much at all and when he's in the manic likes the blues.... maybe he needs some new music.... Alex Smith email_address_removed http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/ "Out for my own, out to be free One with my mind, they just can't see No need to hear things that they say Life is for my own to live my own way See them try to bring the hammer down No damn chains can hold me to the ground." -Metallica ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 03:12:27 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Progressive Science Message-ID: ***OK yall, I'm sure you've all heard about the experiments that were done that proved that children who grew up under the influence of classical music were slightly more intellectually capable than children raised on "normal" music. So I was thinking...why could this be? And I came to the conclusion that it must have to do with the complexity of the music itself. Which leads me to my thesis. Prog is undoubtedly quite complex, so...I think we should organize a little experiment... Anyone who plans on having a kid or is in the process of raising one, let em listen ONLY to prog. And then, have another kid, and play them Green Day. Then in ten years, compare the two kids and then post your findings.**** I completely disagree. I'm a student at Boston University, and I can tell you that there are thousands of Green Day fans and maybe 10 DT fans. All you would be doing by raising a kid up entirely on prog is creating a prog snob. You know one of those people who can't stand if a song has than 12 time changes and any note is slower than a 16th note. I have a friend who studies jazz at college and listens to technical jazz music, but he also likes pop music like Green Day and No Doubt. He can't stand prog. Some people want to listen to challening music, others just want to feel happy when listening to music. No type of music is better than another. They all have different ideas and messages. I love DT's do-anything idea of songwriting and virtuosity, Pantera's aggressiveness and groove, Steve Vai's experimentation, Jimi Hendrix's innovation, Pink Floyd's relaxed psychadelic atmosphere, Stevie Ray Vaughn's expression, The Beatles sense of melody and harmony, and John Coltrane's genius. I personally think someone who is exposed to many different types of music would be more "intellectual." Although I don't consider myself to be too intellectual... Here's a cool quote from Helmet's Page Hamilton, "A punk snob might as well be a classical snob or a jazz pinhead." Isaac ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 03:12:03 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Symphony X Pt. 2 Message-ID: Well I have to admit I really don't care too much for power metal. A few months ago I was really into Angra, but now when I listen to Holy Land, I'm not as impressed. Even though the music is technically good, I become bored with it. So far I've listened to some Angra, Symphony X and Stratovarious. Angra was the only one I initially liked, and they are getting less rotation in my CD player. Re: Symphony X's lyrics- The one problem with their lyrics is that it seems that every song uses the same key words like "sins, shadows, mirror, light." The lyrics get old as does the music, for me. I feel like I'm listening to the same song I don't like for 70 minutes. Re: Michael Romeo- His ability is great, but I feel he is one of the worst guitarists in my CD collection. And I do own some classic rock, alternative and pop discs. I think that his solos lack direction. They sound like a string of licks rather than a coherent solo. None of his solos are memorable for me. David Gilmour is the master of phrasing. Then regarding his accentuation, listen to a Petrucci speed run and a Romeo speed run. Petrucci's notes stand out more, while Romeo seem more slurred. Re: Russell Allen- I think he's one hell of a vocalist. His voice is great, and he can do metal growls to some crystalline clear passages. He's my favorite member of the band. Re: the keyboardist- I don't like him. Part of the reason is that he and Romeo seem to always trade blindingly fast solos. None of which I care for. Oh and why I said I was preparing for flames was not because I expected loads of flames, just one from Mark Metzger. But I guess I'll see him in a mosh pit in the near future. (Not at DT show for all you anti-moshers :) ) Isaac ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 01:06:41 PDT From: "Tetsu Hamanaka" To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: X-Japan 101 (just kidding =) Message-ID: Hi, Jeff. Thank you for your responding. Besides my American friend, Dennis Phillips, you are the second person (actually including Matt) who seems to know X-Japan. I thank you for mentioning X-Japan. My Latvian friend, Uldis Shen, also likes X-Japan. In Japan, X-Japan is really huge band. They are like Metallica in Japan. However, they broke up. I do not know exactly why they broke up... Maybe, Toshi (lead vocalist) wanted to do more simple melodic pop rock. He had a his solo project called Toshi with Nighthawk. Nighthawk is more simple melodic syle. I am not sure you like or not. X-Japan has two guitarists (Pata and Hide). Hide is the person who commit suicide. He looked excentric, but I read the article that He donated money for patients suffering bone disease. I was very shocked when I heard he died. At least, he is one of most talented rock musician in Japan. His solo singles did not sound anybody.... Pata is like more Hard rock guitarist. He used to have a few solo albums which feature Tommy Aldrich (ex-Whitesnake) and James Christian (House Of Lords). Kind of little bit of Kings-X. Bassist is called heath, but I do not know him much. But Taiji Sawada (ex-member) joined Dirty Trash Road. Actually, Yoshiki (drummer/keyboard) is actually main composer of this band. He went to music school. Yoshiki is very unique person, but he is like an narcist (which reminds me of Prince, but not so bad..) Yoshiki put some symphonic element on some songs, such as Rusty Nail and Endless Rain. Well, if you have any comment, please let me know. I am glad to answer about X-Japan. Yes, I think ytsejam is pretty interesting discussion place for prog fans. Unfortunately, X-Japan is not so progressive (they have symphonic element a little bit though in some songs). Nothing but melodic speed metal. But for a few years, they made ballad songs. Thus, I got bored a little bit. Sometimes, they covered Loudness and Kiss. Oh, have you ever heard of Kiss my A** tribute album which featured Extreme, Garth Brookes, and others. X-japan covered Black Diamond. Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley mentioned that their cover song has feeling of movie soundtrack, such as ending roll of the movie... I was curious if X-Japan made a release in United States, it would be successful IMO because they had contract with Atlantic Records. It is very unusual how they got a deal...Because most talented Hard Rock artists of Atlantic Records were already dropped off.... If you want to hear different styles, then you might find out that they wrote lots of ballads.. Sorry, I can not exactly answer your question precisely. I usually do not buy their albums, but I have several songs on tapes. Actually, everybody says different stories (his cause of death). One person said he was practicing tying towels around his neck for his show (it sounds wierd, but that is his character..), then accidentally, He could not help untieing.... The other reason was that He was no way out after X-Japan broke up. Mind you, X-Japan does not exist anymore.. >Well, once more, welcome to the Ytsejam. Looking forward to hearing >from you. Thank you for your warm letter, I am really glad to hear from you. Lunar Crush sounds interesting. Do they have elements of Fear Factory? I can enjoy Fear Factory. I also love technical/melodic based music. I am looking forward to hearing new Dream Theater live CDs. Fates Warning is also my favorite band. In the indie scene of Japan, Vigilante is one of brightest hope. Some people mentioned that Vigilante sounds like Queensryche meets Lethal. Wow, I want to hear them. Besides such bands, Japanese scene are almost dead. We do not have many talented domestic progressive bands. Some people mentioned that Sahara (from Korea) is very good. I know Tang Dynasty (from China) has little bit of Progressive feeling. I think both band's guitarists learned music in United States. Just coincidence. Oh, Feel So Bad is my favorite new Japanese generation band. Feel So Bad has modern sound cross between Pantera, Steve Vai, and Alice In Chains. It is pretty interesting band. Ok, I enjoy your comments. Take care, Jeff!! =) Tetsu Hamanaka np:Hide with Spread Beaver "Rocket Dive" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4078 **************************