YTSEJAM Digest 4058 Today's Topics: 1) You want an intelligent debate? Read. by "KorgX3" 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4057 by email_address_removed 3) Re: OzzFest Acoustics (opinion-ridden) by email_address_removed 4) Chroma Key by Wilson 5) Re: non-prog music by Paal Birger Solhaug 6) intel festival, july 15-18 and diagnosis delicious by email_address_removed 7) Tourdate Database/August 8th show by Xanadu Records 8) Re: non-prog music by "Bryan Keyser" 9) New Fates live CD track listing by Kevin Madden 10) Re: OzzFest Acoustics (opinion-ridden) by belhai 11) Re: You want an intelligent debate? Read. by "Bryan Keyser" 12) ...Happpy smile will squash banana... -Lion King by "Max Amundo" 13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4057 by subtlerage 14) Re: non prog music by Justin James ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 06:35:25 -0600 From: "KorgX3" To: Subject: You want an intelligent debate? Read. Message-ID: <002b01bdad91$94aef8c0$210d84d0@korgx3> >Mr. KorgX3, Called me mister. Nuff respect. > I really think you should be thrown off the fucking list the way you >feel the need to cuss people out like that. You've made your opinion Cuss people out for what? Way off-topic posts? What's the problem with that? Someone needs to do it, dammit! >Korg post and not said "you know what? He's pretty cool". Maybe I just >wasn't paying attention, but you just blew it. We're trying to be nice, Sure, I like to post witty comments about DT and try to be cool. Who doesn't? But there are times when one has to forego that facade and just go off. I felt that was an appropriate moment because I felt that Rogerio went way off base with his post. I'll get on to why I felt that way later. I knew I was being an asshole when I sent it, but Rog was just really asking for it, IMO. >civilized human beings, yet it's people like you who create all the >rumors out there about the Ytsejam being filled with snobs. I feel like What's so snobbish about wanting on-topic conversations? I could care less if we talked about John Mellencamp or Weird Al or even Lawrence Welk here. At least it's music related. Unless they play Metropolis when Brazil comes running onto the field today while 96 French spectators are crushed to death because an unintelligent and uncaring mob wants a better view of the game, I don't want to hear about it. >all of us on the jam are family, and as such we have every right to >disagree, but being that much of an asshole is just unexcuseable. Now I No, it was all intended to get your attention. A sort of reverse psychology. If I had posted an intellectual lecture people would have simply skimmed it and discarded it without a thought. I bet alot of people liked reading it, though, because it contained filthy language, immature bantering, and disgusting references to unorthodox sexual practices. (Hey, South Park's making millions off of that, why can't I?) > God, I'm 17 and way above your mental capacity. There's the assumption of the week. Beat me at Scrabble, and I might acknowledge that. :) >argue either way because I agree sports don't belong here, even though I >feel it unites the jammers in yet another way, and makes us closer. Maybe it does unite jammers in some way, but if it does, it is a very SMALL percentage of jammers. I mean, it's cool that jammers do find things in common with each other, but put your favorite team in your sig or something, please. There's no need for you guys to talk about what a stud Ronaldo is here. Whenever I see the name Ronaldo it makes me think of a clown in a yellow suit with big red shoes accompanied by a menagerie of strange beings brought to life by a drug-influenced imagination. >Maybe you don't want that. Also, the jam is the only way I hear about >half of the games out there. http://www.espn.com/ Gee. That was hard to find. Oh, my! Their top story for the day is about World Cup Soccer! Wow! What a surprise! (Ack, I just overloaded my sarcasm detector) >World Cup on here. When you talk like that people don't say "'ya know >what, he's right". they just say "What a dick." Actually I've received private letters reflecting both. And of course I'm a dick. I wouldn't be human otherwise, anyway... My biggest reason for the protest is that I hate sports in general. The whole principle that (at least in the US) our school's athletic programs receive more funding than any educational programs really pisses me off. Then people recommend athletes as role models? Most athletes get free rides through school. They get bigger scholarships than anyone else could ever hope for. They coast through college hoping a talent scout will pick them up before they flunk a course and lose their ride. Either way, most never complete their "education." Then they get caught doing drugs and catching diseases from prostitutes. When they get out of prison/rehab they start these big "Don't Do Drugs," "Practice Safe Sex," and "Get An Education" campaigns to serve as their community service time and everything's supposed to be OK again. Can you say "hypocrisy?" (You'd better be reaching for a dictionary because I just got triple points for that word.) Would it be wrong at this point for me to call bullshit? I think not. And these guys are our kids' role-models when someone like Stephen Hawking is unlocking the mysteries of the universe while confined to a wheelchair because he's battling Lou Gherig's Disease. Raise your hand if you've even heard of the guy. What? So few hands? Maybe it's just me, but I respect a guy who can determine the integral of f(y)=2x and explain the results of the resultant parabolic curve a little bit more than a guy who can run faster or jump higher than me. I'm sorry, but I was too late to catch the "I wanna be like Mike" bus 8 years ago and have been bitter ever since. > And La Crosse? It's my favorite sport, and I don't play any sports at La Crosse was just an example. That, at least, isn't a bad sport to watch. Watching people beat the fuck out of each other with sticks is always fun. >all. I don't care at all for most sports. But personally I'd love it if >someone would post La Crosse on here, maybe just to piss you off. As long as it's at the end of a relevant DT or music related post it wouldn't bother me at all. I've said that often enough. There are many other places to discuss sports, so there is no reason why it should be done here. If you don't like it, then it's up to Skadz to decide. If he decides sports are OK, you won't hear another peep out of me. Unless he says otherwise though, I'll be all over these sporty people like Michael Jackson on a 4 year old until either it stops or I get bored of it. But, all of my hateful flames will go through private mail from here on, and they will be 10 times more luminescent than before. If I get attacked on the jam, however, you will be pissing napalm by the time I'm done with you, so, for your own health, don't go there. :) Nuff bitching about sports... --Mr. KorgX3 P.S. to Stodge the Ytse-Grammar Nazi: I know I ended some sentences with prepositions. Sorry, I couldn't get around it. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 08:59:51 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4057 Message-ID: Fellow Jammers, in response to alternative listening choices in addition to prog. Please do yourselves a favor & purchase>> The Rippingtons ( Live in L.A. ) !! This is contemporary jazz at it's finest. Every musician on this CD compliments the others.They perform with a degree of synchronicity that I personally found to be unheard of prior to listening to them.An added bonus, no vocals! For those of you who do opt to purchase, head straight for track 6 ( Highroller), & wait patiently for Kim Stone's bass solo at the midpoint of the song !!! You will not be dissapointed !!! Jack Rose ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 09:44:52 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: OzzFest Acoustics (opinion-ridden) Message-ID: <<>> I was at the first Great Woods Ozzfest show, and man was the sound terrible. Most bands were all drums. During the shit bands (pre-Limp Bizkit) you really couldn't distinguish a thing. It was just a thumping mass of detuned guitar noise. By far the worst sound I've ever heard at a profeessional concert. Even Megadeth was piss poor soundwise for the first 1/3 of their set. Art www.joestump.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 09:43:04 -0400 From: Wilson To: email_address_removed Subject: Chroma Key Message-ID: >before, definitely not DT and not prog at all, but it's still Kevin, so >the talent didn't go away - it just transformed to something else... the >singing is not-so-good I kinda like his singing...for once I can actually sing along in key to a CD! :) If you haven't picked it up yet, do so. Kevin (WilsonCat) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 15:55:35 +0200 From: Paal Birger Solhaug To: YTSEJAM mailing list Subject: Re: non-prog music Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980712135535.00692d6c@online.no> Hey fellow jammers! Kinda liked this thread, so here are my list of non-prog bands: -Extreme (actually my favourite band) -Manowar -Gamma Ray -Helloween (with Michael Kiske on vocals) -Rhapsody -Stratovarius -Fight -Judas Priest (NOT the latest album!) -Virgin Steele -Metallica (old AND new!) -Pantera (old) -Ozzy Osbourne -Overkill -AC/DC=20 -Steve Vai -Joe Satriani -Stevie Ray Vaughan -Ian Moore -Dire Straits -ZZ Top -Blues Brothers Band and no, NOT Blind Guardian! Here are my list of top 5 prog bands as well: 1. Dream Theater 2. Ayreon 3. Symphony X 4. Fates Warning 5. Shadow Gallery Well, that's my take on this topic. Carpe Diem P=E5l Birger=20 =20 ********************************** * +-As the rain is pouring down * * Tears of sorrow wash his mind * * Drifting with the current * * This stream of life goes on-+ * * * * +-Dream Theater *=20 * Lifting Shadows off a Dream-+ * * * * paalbs@online.no * =20 * * ********************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 10:36:11 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: intel festival, july 15-18 and diagnosis delicious Message-ID: to the guy who asked, if you want to find out who's playing, go to www.intelfest.com. they have a list- they're like 300 or so bands in about 20 clubs. chances are, unless you're reeeeally keen on the nyc scene, you may not know a lot of these bands. it's still a worthwhile experience, i think. re: mortorro yeah, someone else once told me he was like some hs science teacher or something. he's based in florida, i believe (correct if i'm wrong). re: non-prog anyone else here dig the meters? wild koba (sig-less or in the nude) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:12:12 -0700 From: Xanadu Records To: email_address_removed Subject: Tourdate Database/August 8th show Message-ID: > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:53:52 -0400 > From: Nick Bogovich > To: "'email_address_removed'" > Subject: Dream Theater Trading Post web site > Message-ID: <717B37282A06D2119390006008A18E060218EA@GLENLEVIT> > > Ok, I wasn't going to mention anything about this until it was > complete, but here it goes: > > I'm currently working with Mike Portnoy, Scott Hansen, and Chris Merlo > on creating the Dream Theater Trading Post / Set List Project web site. Snip... > Until then, > Nick Bogovich Nick, Umm....You COULD have mentioned it to ME!!!!!!!! Oh well, since we have a sanctioned DT trading site, there's no need to finish mine. If you need any of my info, feel free to take it off my site or ask me, I've got a bunch of stuff I amassed that never got entered. On a side note, anyone going to the August 8th show in Hartford, CT? It'd be kinda kewl to meet some fellow 'Jammers' before/after the show. Thanks, John DiBella President/Xanadu Records http://idt.net/~rsch1/index.html Dream Theater Tourdate Archive http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/grunge/49/DreamT.html * Be EXCELLENT to each other! * Bill S. Preston, Esq. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:36:44 -0400 From: "Bryan Keyser" To: Subject: Re: non-prog music Message-ID: <004c01bdadaa$e044e920$1519efce@KezWork> > >hey ye all jammers, > >I'm wondering what you jammers listen to besides prog rock (yes, early >genesis, elp, marillion, rush, pink floyd, king crimson, gentle giant, et >al) and prog metal (dt, fates warning, savatage, etc). This could include >"normal" classic rock (Hendrix, Cream, Zeppelin), "normal" metal of any >type, proficient or not, (Metallica, Judas Priest), and anything else. So, >basically, I'm asking for anything not in the "progressive" category. > OK, since you asked: Rush(falls under classic as well as prog, I guess) Triumph Pat Travers LTE(is this really prog?) Michael Schenker(solo, UFO, MSG, early Scorps) Eric Johnson AC/DC ASIA Extreme Hootie and the Blowfish(yup, that's right) Kansas(see Rush above) Joe Jackson Shooting Star Y&T Dokken All this, when I'm NOT listening to DT, that is. Rock, Kez ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:43:20 -0400 From: Kevin Madden To: email_address_removed Subject: New Fates live CD track listing Message-ID: This is info straight from Brian Slagel: Subject: Live album Still Life will be released on October 5. Here is the track listing CD one APSOG (51:55) CD two Ivory Gate of Dreams (20:53) The Eleventh Hour (8:14) Point of View (4:33) Monument (6:46) At Fates Hands (6:47) Prelude to Ruin (3:39) We only Say Goodbye (4:40) bonus track for Japan "In Trance" Kevin Madden Detroit Red Wings 1996-97, 1997-98 Stanley Cup Champions ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:52:07 -0500 (EST) From: belhai To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: OzzFest Acoustics (opinion-ridden) Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Jul 1998, Lobsterback wrote: > Also, I've liked what I heard of Tool's studio albums...but live, they > plain suck. I've seen lichen put on more interesting stage-shows. Nobody > moved around (aside from taking their shirts off) and most of the band just > looked at their feet. Everything sounded *exactly* like the album version > (on bad speakers -- damn those soundmen). Boooooring. I actually walked > out on the band, an honor only Pantera'd (bleh) earned before... You've just described what it was like to see Dream Theater when Kevin Moore was in the band. (well, except the part about them looking at their feet). Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:59:05 -0400 From: "Bryan Keyser" To: Subject: Re: You want an intelligent debate? Read. Message-ID: <008301bdadad$ff5749e0$1519efce@KezWork> -----Original Message----- ]From: KorgX3 To: Multiple recipients of list Date: Sunday, July 12, 1998 9:53 AM Subject: You want an intelligent debate? Read. >Nuff bitching about sports... >--Mr. KorgX3 > >P.S. to Stodge the Ytse-Grammar Nazi: I know I ended some sentences with >prepositions. Sorry, I couldn't get around it. :) > > Dear Mister Korg, If your going to pass yourself off as intelligent, those end of sentence prepositions HAVE to go. :~) Oh, by the way, nice response. You DO seem to have more going for you than a sick, sarcastic nature. Now go change the world, will ya'? It could use it. Kez P.S. I agree with your reasons for disliking sports, but I'm a sucker for competition, so I do not share your ability to resist the media and cultural onslaught. Go Redskins! <<<<<<< and I'm politically incorrect to boot :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 11:34:35 PDT From: "Max Amundo" To: email_address_removed Subject: ...Happpy smile will squash banana... -Lion King Message-ID: Here's my non-prog list: KMFDM Depeche Mode The Cranberries Ozzy Metallica '84-'88 Heart The Fixx Save Ferris (hate-mail me, I deserve it) Other '80s rock/alt. bands I can't think of right now. Ya know, most bands I listen to are prog-SOMETHING. Styx are prog, Faith No More are prog, and all my *favorite* bands are all prog. The first 3 in my n/prog list are some of my favorites, but the other stuff is just stuff I listen to. Isn't Steve Vai prog? He's not really one of my favourites, but I do like PaW. True Dreamers 3 coming soon -maX ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 14:58:12 -0400 (EDT) From: subtlerage To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4057 Message-ID: :From: "Max Amundo" : :Mr. KorgX3, : I really think you should be thrown off the fucking list the way you :feel the need to cuss people out like that. You've made your opinion :known, now shut the Hell up. Mr. Max Amundo, In the infamous words of some other jammer whose name eludes me at the moment... Pot. Kettle. Black. _______________________________________________________________________ Andrew Miller - email_address_removed - http://www.subtlerage.com subtlerage - keyboard oriented progressive new age ambient rock Silent Pendulum Music - PO Box 2194 - Iowa City, IA 52244 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 13:58:56 -0500 From: Justin James To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: non prog music Message-ID: > hey ye all jammers, > > I'm wondering what you jammers listen to besides prog rock > metallica megadeth motorhead mercyful fate king diamond sepultura iced earth nevermore dr. butcher edge of sanity opeth ac/dc aerosmith gwar santana black sabbath ozzy osbourne type o negative white zombie death at the gates primus incubus queensryche lots more Justin James email_address_removed ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4058 **************************