YTSEJAM Digest 4012 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4010 by "Andrew Forcier" 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4010 by Nick Guadagnoli 3) Dali's Dilemma (NDTC) by "Mike Patrick" 4) Re: a book on progressive rock by email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) 5) ALL TANGERINE DREAM LISTENERS by "Max Amundo" 6) Pre-release of Explorers Club "Age of Impact" NOW AVAILABLE by "Braun, Randall (CAP, ITS, US)" 7) Re: datajacks by "earthblind, starbound" 8) Re: a book on progressive rock by Damon Fibraio 9) A pure waste of bandwidth on my part. by "Andrew Forcier" 10) Re: A pure waste of bandwidth on my part. by Damon Fibraio 11) Enough of this topic. by "Jon Kretschmer" 12) ABOMINATION - Full On The Mouth by "Scott Sturdivant" 13) Re: Enough of this topic. by Damon Fibraio 14) Hi every one-fav songs by Mike and Betty Fennewald 15) jcard version 1.0 by The Digital Man 16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4011 by email_address_removed 17) RG570 color by David Hatlee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:55:09 -0400 From: "Andrew Forcier" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4010 Message-ID: Hey kids, Korg wrote: >--From Stodge, the Ytse-Grammar Nazi: Hey, this is a BROWN shirt I'm wearing. >"Stodge, you're being a dick." Hey, if I'm a six-foot tall dick, I should have the women crawling all over me, right? Unfortunately, I'm not a dick. Just a hopeless facsimile of one. > If you want to make the jam a better place, > start legit topics, not flame wars. :P Who said anything about making this a better place? :) But Korg is right. I, of all people, have a horrific tendency to fly off the handle (especially writing posts at 8am). Sorry for the flip nature of my mini-filibuster. Won't happen again... (*yeah, right*) As for legit topics, how's this one: all you guitar freaks (like me) out there! Recommend for me a rack processor with the following qualities: modulation, Intelligent pitch shifting, delay, reverb, and maybe compression and gate. Don't care too much about the verb as I hate reverb, but I'd like to have the mods on separate channels (phaser, flange, chorus). MUST BE MIDI and under $500 (new or used). I'm biting on the Alesis Midiverb IV. Any opinions. Oh, and Petrucci plays guitar, so this could be considered relevant. :) Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:58:33 -0700 From: Nick Guadagnoli To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4010 Message-ID: Mark Peters wrote: >Also, much like my friend Buck Stodgers, I got a new-to-me guitar >recently. It's an Ibanez RG570, serial number F937721, and I'm having >trouble... blah de blah de bloo... .. are some >people on this list who are very knowledgeable about Ibanez guitars. Swifty-- Check out www.ibanez.com or go there and send an email to whatever addresses are there. If you include the serial number, you can even find out where the guitar was made, who inspected it, the colour, when it was sold, and where it was originally shipped. --LiquidT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 20:40:03 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" To: "DT" Subject: Dali's Dilemma (NDTC) Message-ID: So I'm listening to the old demo of 'Living in Fear' back when D.D. was Chaos Theory, and I'm thinking, 'man, this is really good, but good God, get that drummer off of crack!' The rest of the band sounds pretty convinced they're in a world-class prog metal band, and he's thinking he's in some cheesy speed metal group, playing fills like EVERY 5 seconds!!!!! Please tell me the near-finished product is not like this. 50% of playing is knowing when NOT to play, right? Mike Patrick Indianapolis, IN email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:14:59 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: a book on progressive rock Message-ID: Damon Fibraio wrote: >Now I really hate you people. All these books. does anybody have a scanner >or something they can scan these books in sot hat I can read them. I will >not mention my disability for fear that I may offend somebody. Let's just >say I am illiterately and visually challenged. :) For you Damon, if you are a Macintosh user there is a software that can change an image to text files when you scan some text from books. I forget the name of the software but if you need it I will ask it from my friend. I have some hard time to read these prog books because English is not my native language. Oh well... Regards, AE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump ICQ: #13676703 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:27:28 PDT From: "Max Amundo" To: email_address_removed Subject: ALL TANGERINE DREAM LISTENERS Message-ID: I thought for a while that maybe it was just me, but I know for a fact that others of you out there listen to Tangerine Dream, because the bands poll that "Under A Cyber Moon" held at the end of 1997 showed Tangerine Dream as having 7 points. So I know at least ONE other person has experienced the total magic of that band. I gave them 5 of those points and I'm sure some of you have heard this group but don't consider them a top-5 band. What really pains me is to realize that you most have NOT heard of them. Let me tell you: They're very electronic and very rocking with their guitars, especially for a "New-Age" band. They are tied with DT as my favorite band ever, and I consider them the precursors of a style movement I call "Electric Fusion Music". I turn 18 on August 29, and a drummer. Within a year from now I plan to have a band started, where we combine the elements of "New-Age", with electronic pan-flutes, etc., with hard-core progressive metal, and a little KMFDM influence. Believe me, the result is a pure, beautiful, truly rocking-out form of music. We are the band that will wake people up, and truly make a difference. Right now the only for-sure members are me and a guy named Chris Brown, 16 on August 6. We need others with the same vision. You don't need to be really experienced YET, but ready to kick ass in the future. We expect our first album to hit stores around 2003-4. So we have time. Okay, besides forming our E.F.M. band (I'll tell you the proposed name if you write), we desperately want to meet other friends who know Tangerine Dream, or other stuff like what I was mentioning, or are simply interested... And I feel like I HAVE to know who voted for them, and who else listens to them. So PLEASE respond to this!!! But you have to write to THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS: email_address_removed. That's my real address, and I can rarely read the ytsejam digests. ThanX to all who have read this and thanX in advance to all who respond to this. Rockoon Forever, -MAX AMUNDO < email_address_removed > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 19:17:19 -0400 From: "Braun, Randall (CAP, ITS, US)" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Pre-release of Explorers Club "Age of Impact" NOW AVAILABLE Message-ID: As many of you are aware, Magna Carta has another supergroup CD ready for release: Explorers Club "Age Of Impact" which features many of the Magna Carta artists, including James Labrie on vox, John Petrucci on shred and Derek Sherinian on keys. http://www.magnacarta.net/magcar19.htm I just got the good word DIRECT FROM Magna Carta that pre-release orders are being accepted & shipped. http://www.magnacarta.net/ -Randall sent: 6/25/98 4:15 PM PDT email: email_address_removed **"There always comes a time when you do what you want to do. You know you shouldn't do it, but you do it anyway..." from 'Paragons of Innocence' by Savatage (Romans 7:15-21)** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:03:08 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: datajacks Message-ID: >Isn't all of this complaining about text versus graphical WWW a bit >pointless? Think long run. Eventually, blindness will become irrelevant, >at least in the electronic aspect. Cranial datajacks, ladies and >gentlemen, cranial datajacks. You'll "see" every electronic bitlet through Is it just me, or is anyone else filled with piss-in-your-shoes terror at the idea of Microsoft writing code in your *brain*? Jesus, first GPF and pffft, there goes three years of college (assuming heavy drinking didn't do that already). -And now for something completely different... A theater tech with a clawhammer. *THUNK* *splat* (Milluminati Psycho) -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:05:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: a book on progressive rock Message-ID: No, I am not a macintosh guy. Geez, I have a hard enough time accessing win95. :) -- Damon Fibraio, email email_address_removed Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:58:29 -0400 From: "Andrew Forcier" To: Subject: A pure waste of bandwidth on my part. Message-ID: Hello, YTSEJAM Digest 4011 Today's Topics: 7) Re: Damon and schtuff... by Damon Fibraio 8) Re: a book on progressive rock by Damon Fibraio 9) Re: a book on progressive rock by Damon Fibraio 11) Re: Blindness by Damon Fibraio 13) Re: Blindness by Damon Fibraio 14) Re: Blind people should be shot at sunrise! by Damon Fibraio 16) Re: BlindJam by Damon Fibraio 17) Re: I need more LTE!!!!! (need recommendations) by Damon Fibraio 18) Re: Charlie Dominici by Damon Fibraio 19) Re: Hollow Years single by Damon Fibraio 21) Re: Sci-fi and Empty Tremor question by Damon Fibraio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- And I said something in my last post about too much free time...:) Consolidate, if you could please. Stodgers just being stodgy again ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:11:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A pure waste of bandwidth on my part. Message-ID: I have heard that complaint way too many times to even give a shit. i think I have a valid excuse. Anybody want to tr closing their eyes and blind quoting? Oh shit, I can't say that word. -- Damon Fibraio, email email_address_removed Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:09:05 -0700 From: "Jon Kretschmer" To: Subject: Enough of this topic. Message-ID: Well, last night I had written a long, drawn out post about this blind issue, but I never sent it. Good thing. It has sifted through, and Paul pretty much hit the nail on the head with his post. Ive gotten the impression over the years that Damon looks for sympathy when he mentions his blindness in a thread where I consider it irrelavant. He has made it clear that is not his intention, and I accept that. I respect him a lot for his efforts, cuz Im not sure I could or would handle that affliction as well. So lets just chalk it up as a misunderstanding due to the inability for ANYONE to communicate effectively through this godforsaken medium. > If I only knew that denying my vission problem would cure me, I > would've done that years ago. I never asked you to deny your vision problem. I was just pointing out the awkwardness of mentioning it when it isn't relevant, that's all. > From: Carol Dellinger > Then again it looks like you are begging to be spanked. Uh, you can see Trevor for that one. > No..not everyone knows that Damon is blind. We get new subscribers all the time. Maybe it should go in the Ytsejam FAQ. > And you know what? Sometimes I envy Damon. He sees more than all > of us. Your eyes can blind you sometimes Jon, remember that. He sees more than all of us? Possibly. But I havent read any ground shattering philisophical commentary from him to make me think that. I do think it is pretty cool that he refuses to let his disability affect his use of a computer. When I first read about Damon's lack of eyesight, I was impressed that he could put up with sifting through a Ytsejam without being able to see it. But then I kept reading about his blindness. And kept reading about it. And to me, that comes across as Damon saying "hey man, Im blind" and expecting the response "Wow, that is so amazing that you refuse to let it stop you" over and over again. That wasnt his intention, so I perceived him incorrectly. But at least one other person seemed to take my view, so Im not completely out in left field. I dont want to think "Damon...Oh yeah, the blind guy." I would rather know the guy from reading things that reflect his personality and character. And I dont think blindness reflects either of those. I could be wrong. > That attack was un-called for and unwarranted. My post was not an attack on Damon, nor do I think he took it that way. However, I consider your response quite harsh and abrasive, just as bad as you say mine was. Could it be possible that you overreacted? Nah, no way...Not you. > That would mean that we would need to give you special consideration because you > sometimes suffer from being massively ignorant. Ignorant of what? You're going to have to enlighten me. > >You dont need to keep reminding us. > > If you didn't notice, Damon's point of view on the current topic was > totally valid. Sounds like you're the one who has a problem with Damon > being blind Jon. No, sorry Carol. I have no problem with his impairment. Nor did I ever say that I did. But him bringing it up when talking about something unrelated doesnt make sense. Just like NDTC. Or improper grammer. I raised the issue. Surprise surprise, Im getting shot down. I was expecting that. Any one bringing up a topic that might make someone unhappy or displeased always does. I just didnt think it would be you. > If you're tired of being reminded of it, let me direct you to the 'page down' key. I never saw that before! Well well, there it is. Im going to have to switch from pressing the down arrow. That 5cm is pretty far, Im not sure if I can handle it. > I never felt he was reminding us. I did. > Damon's blindness is an everyday part of his life. Agreed. > It's who he is. DISagreed. Blindness is on the outside. It is a component of our container. Everything of who we are is inside. Beauty...Intelligence...Wisdom...Character. Everything that I feel defines us as individuals is on the inside, and has NOTHING to do with our physical bodies. >And we love him and the list is better for having him here! Of course. I wasnt suggesting that he leave. > Jon....you know I luv ya bud.....but you need to get spanked. You have > been a bad boy! No hard feelings???? No hard feelings, but spank someone else. Thats fucked up. : ) And I would have given you a ride for sure, Damon. Went to the CompUSA Windows 98 promotion at midnight last night, and got myself a $10 copy of Starcraft...It seems like Warcraft II on steroids. Not a bad thing. Couldnt get the $98 266Mhz Celeron computer system with monitor and printer (no typo, for the first person in line), but Im happy. Mosh, Eckie, and all you other net players, prepare to be spanked...Oh wait, that's Carol's dept. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:36:16 -0400 From: "Scott Sturdivant" To: Subject: ABOMINATION - Full On The Mouth Message-ID: <000b01bda0a2$d196a9a0$message_id_removed> Alrighty peoples, I found this in the magazine "Stereo Review" and I thought I should share it with you. "DVD FIRSTS The electronic rock band Full on the Mouth is the first band or artist to be signed by the Pioneer Music Group, owned by audio giant Pioneer Electronics. 'People Mover,' the first track from its debut album, has also been issued seperately on what is billed as the first DVD single, with both a stereo and a Dolby Digital 5.1 channel surround mix...." ARGGH. What the hell is that. Why does a crappy ass band like them get to be the first to have a DVD single?!?! Where the hell is dream theater's promoters?! You listening portnoy?! You need to get yourselfs into the 5.1 channel era! I can see it now...scarred...coming over a full home theater setup... Gawd, it'd be great. Or better yet, how about also releasing the new live album in the 5.1 channel mode? The live concert ambience would sound great with a pair of rear speakers..add some delay, and life would be great. To think that full on the ASSHOLE gets such an honor... grrrr...makes me mad. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:41:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Enough of this topic. Message-ID: Firstly, I want to start out, John, by saying that you shouldn't decline a spanking from a woman. What is wrong with you? :) Now, onto the serious stuff. I am sorry I dragged a blindness thread into the jam. i am sorry I dragged a lynx vs graphics browsers into the jam. However, saying that my blindness is not a part of who I am is insane. My blindness is a part of me and defines the person I am. When you have lost one sens it changes perspectives. The little bit of vission I do have, I use to the fulles. I appreciate the things I can see. I don't value physical features as much as others, I see people for who they truely are. i a not racist or prejudiced as a person who has sight may be. Granted there may be blind racists out there, but I never heard of one. I don't understand the female body like most men do. When guys ogle a girl, I feel left out. When I go to Dream Theater concertsj, I can't tell the stage setup, or what the band is doing on stage. I can't see MP thrashing his drums, or JP killing the guitar. I definitely can't appreciate Derek's keyboard setup or the lava lamps. Nor can I look out for the moshers. I lose a bit of the concert experience. However, I have trained my ear musically from playing an instrument and can gain a little bit of detail from the mix than the rest of you. This has shaped the way I think and feel about things. I envy you all for the visual side of concerts. For me, I am just happy if I can clearly hear the show. I can't experience Rush light shows and screen projections. I can't appreciate Keith Emerson stabbing his organ with daggers. See what you all get to see while I go blindly by? You all can multitask in windows and use any web site you want. i can't even get irc down right in windows. I can't run more than one window at once, unless I minimize all others. I can't even use the sequencer on my keyboard. Am I asking for your pity? No. I have found ways around most things and am working on the things I can't figure out myself. And things like the concerts and driving, I have learned to accept. I have not let my handicap beat me and I never will. I will function in society. I will get my degree in music recording and be a viable force in music. But that's not why I wrote this. this is not therapy. This is to say that a person can't tell me that my blindness is not a part of me. It is just as much a part of me as your sight is a part of you. yes, it is an external thing, but it's not like having zits. Zits don't affect a person's functionalyty. I don't think this is the place to get philosophical, but if you want me to, ask me. I will be glad to waste some more bandwidth although Skadz may start getting just a bit pissed off. :) Yes, I took up a whole jam with posts. I sincerely appologize. Quite frankly, I don't enjoy talking about this every day. After a while, one gets sick of the questions, especially since I get them daily for the last 24 years of my life. I hope this has cleared a few things up. If we want to continue this discussion, can we take it to irc or something. maybe private mail. If any of you want to say somethng to me go for it, but if you really don't want me to respond to the jam, then don't put it there. I just hit the reply button. where it goes is up to pine. I know I could edit the to field, but if you had my computer setup, you woldn't bother. I know I could consolidate posts, but again, try doing it my way. I try not to make this a habit. I think I have said enough. If you all want to continue this, email me privately. Please, for the love of God, let's end the public beatings here. -- Damon Fibraio, email email_address_removed Keyboardist, vocalist, and looking for work "I can see much clearer, now I'm blind."--Dream Theater, Take The Time, Images and Words ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:13:01 -0500 From: Mike and Betty Fennewald To: email_address_removed Subject: Hi every one-fav songs Message-ID: Hi all I just joined this list. I have also just become a DT fan after buying FII. I bought it because I heard burning my soul and You not me on the radio and I found out I like all the songs on the CD. My favorite song on the CD is probebly lines in the sand or trail of tears. whats everyone elses? Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:37:06 -0400 From: The Digital Man To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: jcard version 1.0 Message-ID: Hi gang. Long-ass time no post, or read, or nothin'. Working 9 hours a day tends to have that effect, especially when you work somewhere where you can't read e-mail. Oh, well. Anyway, I finally decided to write the Linux equivalent of CaseLinr for windoze. It's called jcard. You don't need to be running X Windows to use it. Just unzip it, untar it, and type jcard. It creates a file called jcard.ps that you can rename, or print and delete, or whatever. If you're going to use it, *please* let me know what you think, so that later versions can be even better. You can get it at http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/jcard.tgz. Enjoy! -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:43:42 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4011 Message-ID: what prog rock book is it everyone speaks of? private mail me please ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:03:53 -0400 From: David Hatlee To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: RG570 color Message-ID: >recently. It's an Ibanez RG570, serial number F937721, and I'm having >trouble identifying the correct name of its funky color. It looks >pinkish purple until you hold it under lights, then it looks very blue. >Thanks in advance to anyone who helps me out, >Mark Peters >email_address_removed Mark, you're description has left me with a couple of possibilities for the Ibanez colors of that RG570 series: PN - Purple Neon (a metallic purple that changes hues in the light) JB - Jewel Blue (this is very deep metallic blue, but some people see it as purple) BN - Blue Night (switches from purple to blue depending on light angle) PP - Purple Pearl (very similar to BN, slightly darker) VM - Violet Metallic (a light shade of metallic purple, much lighter than others listed) I'll bet it's either the BN or PP though. Without a picture I can't identify the exact color because that group is so similar, but that narrows it down a little according to the axe you described. Enjoy your Ibanez dude, they're sweet! And the RG570 is good professional gear, so if it's mint and your grabbed it for $325 with the case, you scored :) Dave (aka buster) Hatlee http://www.dhpc.com/wdadu/ http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 4012 **************************