YTSEJAM Digest 3996 Today's Topics: 1) Re: stuff... by "TheCowGod" 2) Iced Earth, Magellan by Phil Carter 3) Re: Iced Earth? by Matt Johnston 4) Re: Fates recommendations by Michael Kizer 5) re: Death of Pavarotti by Brian Hansen 6) Banjo Tuning (very NDTC (: ) by "Nowik, George" 7) Re: Banjo Tuning (very NDTC (: ) by Matt Johnston 8) ytsejam archive by email_address_removed 9) der. by email_address_removed 10) Re: Chroma Key by "Brian Hayden" 11) Flecktones by Lobsterback 12) Re: alternative-progressive by Lobsterback 13) stinky by Scott Andrews 14) Hollow Years CD (Jap) by Michael Kizer 15) Queensryche's O:M by "Oliver Ploier" 16) Hilarious Jam Quote / Savatage by "Neil Evans" 17) Re: ytsejam archive by Rogerio Brito 18) Bass Player's got a new columnist. by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:45:09 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" To: Subject: Re: stuff... Message-ID: <00e701bd9b99$3ddf7c40$message_id_removed> |Hm, I think too that LaBrie is a good singer. The point that |I want to comment on is, if it is so important to sing high? |I mean, there are so many Metal bands where the singers sing |with those high voices and this really gets on my nerves. I You're welcome to the metal AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGEEEEEE!! :) (c) Hammerfall... |don't like that high singing too much. Maybe that's another |reason why I like FII so much. He doesn't sing that high very |often anymore and I think that's really better. I see no reason |for singers to sing that high that one could think they have |no balls anymore... :)) And LaBrie sounds VERY good in the |lower regions too IMHO. :) Exactly! I like my guys to sound like guys. :) I have no problem with girls, in fact, i'm quite fond of them, but there's enough of them as it is. :) No, but seriously, yeah, I guess it's a matter of preference, but it seems that to be a prog band you have to have a high singer. Savatage is probly the only prog band i've found where the singer sings in a normal register, but they don't do as much progressive stuff as DT... I only have DWD, mind you but i'm judging from that. And then there's stuff like Cynic and Meshuggah, which is totally the opposite. :) Sorry for 3 in a row. I'm done. Moo. -- Dan McCormack email_address_removed http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:53:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Phil Carter To: Liquid Tension Ytse Subject: Iced Earth, Magellan Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... Joe D. inquired: > What do you guys think of Iced Earth? > I haven't gotten anything by them yet... but I'm looking. > What do you recommend? "Dark Saga" sounds promising. Any of their discs are worth picking up, but you probably want to start with the stuff *after* "Night of the Stormrider" -- the vocalists on the first two discs just don't compare to the current vocalist, Matt Barlow. If you're looking for a good place to sample their stuff, either check out their site at http://www.icedearth.com/ or pick up their compilation album "Days of Purgatory", which has stuff from all their previous albums. Iced Earth puts on a hell of a live show and the band is very friendly and approachable. I'm looking forward to their new disc "Something Wicked This Way Comes"; it'll be out July 7th in the U.S. Mike R. inquired: > Can anyone from here describe me the music style of the bands called > Tempest and Magellan. I have a possibility to buy it, but know nothing > about those bands. > Please, send your answers to my private address. No. :) The whole 'jam needs to know about Magellan. Tempest I'm unfamiliar with, but Magellan is an outstanding group. Trent Gardner (vocals, keyboards, trombone, songwriting) and Wayne Gardner (guitars, backing vocals) are the nucleus of the group, with Hal Imbrie and Brad Kaiser doing bass and drums respectively on two of the albums. "Impending Ascension" deserves a place in every prog-head's collection. This one has a very Yes-ish influence -- soaring vocals and blended harmonies over walls of keyboards. The guitars rock hard, though, with a bit more edge than Yes. The time changes and shifts on this album are just insane. Three epic tracks (the title track at over 11 minutes, "Waterfront Weirdos" likewise over 11, and "Storms and Mutiny" over 10 minutes), outstanding musicianship, complex compositions. The drums are programmed, but they're done so well you have to be told that they're programmed to notice. "Test of Wills" is the newest release; drummer Brad Kaiser adds plenty of punch to the band's already hard sound. The guitars are pushed a lot more forward in the mix with this one, but the keyboards take center stage plenty of times. The time shifts are just as prominent here, with the whole band turning on a dime to astound the listener. Best tracks include the title track, "Gameface", and "Critic's Carnival" (prog music at its best). Trent Gardner is something of a musical genius; it's he who wrote, if I'm not mistaken, virtually all of the music for the new "Age of Impact" project from Magna Carta (and isn't *that* one something to look out for!). Magellan goes overlooked way too often. They kick ass. Go get their stuff. Ta, Phil ======================================================================= Phil Carter -- email_address_removed (work), email_address_removed (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "I never should have written all those tank programs." -- Kevin Flynn, "Tron" Currently playing: Tony MacAlpine -- "Freedom to Fly" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:10:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Iced Earth? Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Joe DeAngelo wrote: > >What do you guys think of Iced Earth? Good power metal -- Like Iron Maiden with Pantera's distortion pedals. But not really. > >What do you recommend? "Dark Saga" sounds promising. Dark Saga is very good -- only one truly cheesy track in the bunch. I can't recommend Burnt Offerings because the drummer was frankly substandard -- he loses the beat in a song. I guess IE didn't have time to go back and try again. Not only that, but the drums are mixed way too high (esp. for as bad as they are). > > >Thanks, >- Joe DeAngelo > --Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- "I stayed up all night playing poker with tarot cards. I got a full house and four people died." -- Steven Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:19:01 -0700 From: Michael Kizer To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Fates recommendations Message-ID: AL wrote: > > Thanks again Jammers for introducing some otherwise undiscovered > musical masterpieces. I'm starting to get into Fates Warning, big time! > My purchases have been in this order: APSOG - Parallels - Perfect Symmetry. > I like all of them, but the ones getting more frequent play are Parallels & PS. > OK, now what? Any suggestions? Well, I would recommend Inside Out next. For all the slagging this album gets (even from the band itself), I think it has some great songs on it. Monument, Pale Fire and Island In The Stream are really quite brilliant as are the rest of them, but usually more in a subtle way. This album definately grows on you as you discover all the little intricacies of it. After that I would get No Exit, Ray's first album, heavier and a little less progressive than Perfect Symmetry, but still a great album. After that you can tread into the John Arch albums... Some people don't like his vocal style, while others love it... I guess there is no middle ground love it or hate it. Get Awaken The Guardian (or listen to it first) to see if you like it... And while you're out searchig for Fates...go visit Island In The Stream (http://www.ivorygate.com/fw), get $10 off any CD purchase over $20 from CD Now (and the other CD sources that I have listed are all having pretty good summer sales right now), sign up for the Parallels mailing list, etc... Later! -- ~Michael Kizer "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com Fates Warning~ Island In The Stream / Dream Theater Unofficial Song Book "Everyone's leading but nobody's dancing, you stand on the stage just to turn all alone" ~ Savatage (TWoM) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:33:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen To: email_address_removed Subject: re: Death of Pavarotti Message-ID: Phil Carter polished off his WeightGain 5000 and wrote: >And you *still* got it wrong. :) Pavarotti. PAVAROTTI! > BEEFCAKE! BEEEEFCAAAAKE!!!!! Look out Ned!! He's coming right for us!!! signed, Sleepless in Southpark. "But I don't want to shoot the bunny!" _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 09:05:13 -0800 From: "Nowik, George" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Banjo Tuning (very NDTC (: ) Message-ID: Well, normally I wouldn't even consider posting something like this here but since it's a list full of what are most likely musicians ... I was wondering if anyone had any information that could help me out with regards to the tuning configuration of the 5-string banjo. I am now the proud owner of one of those delightful beauties and haven't the foggiest idea of how to tune the bad boy. Can you imagine Under a Glass Moon banjo style ... i'll make an mp3 of it. *grin* Thanks much and stuff. -= norg =- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:13:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Banjo Tuning (very NDTC (: ) Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Nowik, George mused: >Can you imagine Under a Glass Moon banjo style ... i'll make an mp3 of >it. *grin* > Dueling UAGM... freak me out with a spork, Jeb. (grin) Of course, I think A Fortune In Lies or the neo-classical solo in Erotomania would rock nadz on a banjo, but then, I think Stand By Your Man would sound great if L7 covered it. --Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- "I stayed up all night playing poker with tarot cards. I got a full house and four people died." -- Steven Wright --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:18:20 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: ytsejam archive Message-ID: i sent this once but i dont think it got through if you are missing jams, or if you are lucky like me and occasionally get WINMAIL.DAT spat back in your face when opening your ytsejams, please note the following address: ftp://ftp.dreamt.org/pub/ytsejam/ there you will find any jams you may have missed or that may have gotten chewed up along their travels to your mailbox. - melissa email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:21:02 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: der. Message-ID: please ignore my last post. hahhhahah i just found it showing from the first time i posted it. i am not a crackpot. - melissa email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 10:43:32 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Chroma Key Message-ID: I checked out the samples the other night and I liked what I heard, for the most part. I've been meaning to add some more laid-back stuff to my CD collection, so this is the perfect opportunity. I put in my order last night. There are very few fast sections in the samples, and some of the vocal melodies are rather bland, but that's really my only complaint. Still chock-full of samples, and Kevin is still the best lyricist that DT ever had (imo). -Brian "You've got to believe in someone, asking me who is right, asking me who to follow...don't ask me, I don't know." - Ozzy Coleridge on IRC Web: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hayd0029 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:14:15 -0400 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: Flecktones Message-ID: >You might not like them because they are not prog. >However, if you can get past the "I only listen to songs in 9/8" >attitude, you will discover that Bela Fleck and the Flecktones produce >some great instrumental music, What about the Flecktones song "Almost 12"? It's in 11/16 (hence the title). Prog enough for you proggies? Also lots of bass-wanking. Dunno about you, but I eat that up. You won't be disappointed. Give Bela Fleck unt das Flecktones a try. [To anyone interested in trading, I've got a couple of *KILLER* Flecktones bootlegs. Drop me an E-mail, we'll do lunch.] Brian "LaMonte" Henderson =========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:41:44 -0400 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: alternative-progressive Message-ID: >> "Big Wreck - In Loving Memory Of... >> On their debut outing, this quartet of grads from Boston's Berklee College >> of Music have crafted an epic set of alternative prog-rock anthems." > >A lot of people that I know seem to use alternative/progressive >interchangeably, Agreed, but I've never heard the term "prog-rock", a specific genre of music, used. Saying a band is "progressive" because they wear pirate shirts and write songs about the discovery of tungsten, yeah, we made that up. No matter how you twist it, though, "progressive rock" is a noun, a definite label (usually pertaining to early '70s bands). Not a label for Foo Fighters. My two sense(s). Brian "Poor Old Sod" Henderson =========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:20:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Andrews To: email_address_removed Subject: stinky Message-ID: hello al- sorry about that message to my wife that got sent here by mistake. i haven't had a full night's sleep in weeks.... there _is_ actually some Dt content in there - can anyone figure it out? -- scott andrews biophysics research email_address_removed chemistry department ****************************************************************** --- http://www.people.virginia.edu/~sha3u --- info & CD reviews | Ibanez | soundclips of of major & underground | 7 string | my prog-thrash progressive/thrash metal | guitar info | metal band ATAXIA ****************************************************************** "metal isn't dead, it just smells funny." -Zappa paraphrase ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:56:59 -0700 From: Michael Kizer To: Ytsejam Subject: Hollow Years CD (Jap) Message-ID: Well, I finally got this thing after havin it on backorder (and then cancelled) several times, Music Blvd eventualy came through. The bonus tracks on this are killer, it's great to hear Burning my Soul w/Hell's Kitchen in the middle. And James really rips up Killing Hand (but his Elvis impersonation needs alittle work :-). You can get to Music Blvd's DT section from this link: http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/14921_42_20425 They are having a pretty decent summer sale and if you buy 3 shipping is free... p.s. CD Now is still having the $10 off any order over $20 sale, use the link on my DT web page: http://www.ivorygate.com/dt NP: Marillion - Fugazi (remaster) -- ~Michael Kizer "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com Fates Warning~ Island In The Stream / Dream Theater Unofficial Song Book "Everyone's leading but nobody's dancing, you stand on the stage just to turn all alone" ~ Savatage (TWoM) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:02:44 +0200 From: "Oliver Ploier" To: Subject: Queensryche's O:M Message-ID: <000201bd9bbc$28742860$82d46d0a@majesty> Hey there, Due to a server prob my last mail didn't come through. So here I go again. Considering the Queensryche thread I wonder if I'm the only one who things everyrtime I listen to O:M: 'Gee, this is just outstanding songwriting, but it would be much better if they'd found the right button for the BASS!' Really, they obviously forgot to add some serious bass. Just take the following albums. They have a superb production. Just imagine AWAKE with a bad production as O:M... I bet it would lose a lot of its 'Whooaa!'- Effect that comes to my mind everytime I listen to it after all the listens before. Has anybody the same thoughts or is this just a misprint as our European LTE versions? Bye, Olli from Good Ol' Germany ;-)) In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit, we're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jun 98 13:02:11 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" To: email_address_removed Subject: Hilarious Jam Quote / Savatage Message-ID: I simply had to point out one of the best non-Bafu out-of-context quotes I've seen on the jam.. "I thought they were homeless people but they were Greg Allman fans." -Charoenkwan I have nothing against Greg Allman or his fans, but this just sounds hilarious! btw, I just picked up Savatage's "The Wake of Magellan" and it rocks hard. It's the best Zak-era Savatage disc IMO. Great packaging with some cool artwork as well. I love Jon Oliva's less-polished-than-Zak's but extremely emotive voice on two of the acoustic bonus tracks. progressively, -Neil. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:39:56 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ytsejam archive Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Jun 1998 email_address_removed wrote: > ftp://ftp.dreamt.org/pub/ytsejam/ > > there you will find any jams you may have missed or that may have gotten > chewed up along their travels to your mailbox. Cool! -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 17:05:45 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Bass Player's got a new columnist. Message-ID: Hey progsters, Got the latest issue of Bass Player in the mail today with Jeff Ament on the cover. Lo and behold, it says "New Column! John Myung," and it's worth checking out. The editor states that "John's bi-monthly Deep Six column is guaranteed to challenge your hands and brain." Cool beans. If only his Yamaha signature model would be available now, before I have to pay for tuition. At the Detroit show, he said they were aiming for a January release. As far as I&W "misprints," for my buddy's graduation, one of the things I bought him was that very CD. He got all pissed off when he heard AC/DC because he hadn't heard I&W since we lived in the same dorm/residence hall 4 years ago. He took it to the store and exchanged it for a copy of Awake. Same thing happens. I guess it was an error at the WEA factory. As far as getting big money for it, cool. I wouldn't use it for much more than a coaster. Finally, hey Ytsegoon, no I haven't forgotten. And I paid to see Lisa Loeb here in the Flats because Chantal "my ideal wife" Kreviazuk was opening. I got to meet her again, and the third time's the charm. Son of Jor-el, kneel before Zod! Snoochie Boochies... Jack (who reads Jams once a week now because of menial summer employment) ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3996 **************************