YTSEJAM Digest 3988

Today's Topics:

  1) Re: female bashers
 by email_address_removed
  2) too far away
 by email_address_removed
  3) Big Wreck revisited (NDTC)
 by "Michael E Patrick"<email_address_removed>
  4) Jones Beach Amphitheater
 by email_address_removed
  5) Jaxx Roxx Nadz
 by email_address_removed
  6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3983
 by email_address_removed
  7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3984
 by email_address_removed
  8) what is a pro-shot to you?
 by belhai <email_address_removed>
  9) Again?
 by Carlos Alfaro <email_address_removed>
 10) DP/DT/ELP in Philly
 by Lobsterback <email_address_removed>
 11) To all Hungarian jammers (urgent)
 by Totikus <email_address_removed>
 12) Re: Camden Show - Ticket Info.
 by Bruce Duesterhoeft <email_address_removed>
 13) CDs and Keyboard update.
 by "Erik 'Starblazer' Stearns" <email_address_removed>
 14) If you like survey
 by Chris Dixon <email_address_removed>
 15) The I&W misprint
 by Haje Jan Kamps <email_address_removed>
 16) Firth of Fifth
 by Andy <email_address_removed>
 17) Degarmo meets Cantrell
 by Andy <email_address_removed>
 18) Mike Keneally/Dweezil Zappa/DT on Real Audio
 by Alan Estrada <email_address_removed>
 19) Re: Paul Gilbert's "King of Clubs"
 by "Larry" <email_address_removed>
 20) Fates recommendations 
 by AL <email_address_removed>

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:35:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: female bashers
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


<<One quick note: I was jsut reading all those disparaging to women remarks on
the list, and I would like to say that women have as much right to enjoy
quality music as men.  Contrary to popular belief, some females actually know
how to appreciate good music and get into it for that very reason.
Besides, the only kind of attention I've ever gotten from my musical tastes
was being treated as a chicken with three legs.
Does anyone care to enlighten me?  Exactly what kind of attention are female
jammers suppposed to be after?  Cuz if it's the kind I've been getting, I
would gladly have changed musical tastes if it weren't for my true and sincere
love for it.
And to all those female female bashers, how can you be such a traitor to your
own gender?
Just thought I'd put in my two cents.>>


hell, I made my mom put on ACOS when we were on a long car ride, and she 
said she loved it.  I would like to note that the other CDs in her changer
consisted of Carley Simon, Aretha Franklin, and Elton John, pretty cool that
she'd dig DT, huh?



Matt


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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:43:48 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: too far away
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



>For those who are into hard/heavy/death/thrash stuff, I help out at a radio
show >here at Georgia Tech, Friday evenings from 10pm - 2am US Eastern time.
<snip>  >Stuff I've played recently include Cynic, DT's cover of "Damage Inc."
from the fan >club CD, Superior "Hades," Strapping Young Lad, Fates Warning,
Clawfinger >(thanks, Bernd!), Opeth, Pan-thy-Monium and Liquid Tension
Experiment >"Paradigm Shift."   Never a dull moment in between the GWAR,
Pantera, Slayer >and Misfits.  :)

Dammit!  Dammit, I say!!  Why do you have to be in Georgia???  Even when I go
on my VA trip at the end of this week, I still can't get it from there!!!!  

Well, can't complain about WSOU (my godsend!), but KROQ can bite my ass.

Alex

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:30:40 -0500
From: "Michael E Patrick"<email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Big Wreck revisited (NDTC)
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>







Michael E Patrick@DELCO on 06-15-98 03:30:40 PM

O.K., keeping in mind that A LOT of people at the DT shows were
nauseatingly disrespectful of Big Wreck, and the fact that their lead
singer didn't help their case much by being rather confrontational:

I have just got to say that 'In Loving Memory Of...' is one incredible
album - I listen to the thing pretty constantly.  Granted, it's not for
everyone, but if your tastes are all over the map (as mine are), man, I
don't see how you can go wrong with this one.  Really solid playing, great
grooves, great songwriting.  Of course, they'll probably make two albums
and disappear off the face of the Earth, since, as the Beard would say,
'Crap is king', but I'm seriously into them.

Mike Patrick






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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:09:41 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Jones Beach Amphitheater
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hey Jammers...need a bit of friendly advice, if you can oblige.

Me and a friend of mine are planning on going to the DP/ELP/DT Jones Beach
show on August 9th.  Before I buy tickets online, I want to find out some
stuff about the venue.  I've never been there, and want to get the best space
for my money!!  Thing is this: we're there for DT, so we're not going to
purchase the expensive tickets.  We'll probably leave after they play, to beat
the crowd out of there, and get home at a somewhat humane hour.  We're
shooting for the 15 dollar tickets, which are listed as
-any area for this price
-standing room only
-mezzanine

We don't want to be ass-far away from the stage.  I don't know what the fuck
any area for this price means, and whether you can get something really sweet
with that selection, or the crappiest part of the place.  What is best to go
for?  Is standing room in a good-awful section of the place, behind people who
have seats?  Anyone who's been there, please let me know.  It would be MUCH
appreciated.

Alex

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 17:48:30 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Jaxx Roxx Nadz
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Here is an update from Jaxx Nightclub in Northern Virginia:

Stay tuned for the followinf(sic) upcoming shows: Merciful Fate (Sep 4),
King's X, Fate's Warning, Galactic Cowboys (Oct 8 ), Al DiMeola (November 20 &
21).

Oh, and for me and maybe a one other 'Jammer:

Pat Travers   August 14

All this, in addition to Savatage coming up this Friday, June 19th.

Live music is good.

Duh.......

'Jam on,
Kez

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:01:28 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3983
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


hey all...

could someone please forward me the digest 3983?  I got a download file (which
is usually text) and this time was winmail.dat.  Due to my unfortunate
ignorance, I cannot deal with this fucker.  I downloaded it, and can't read
it.  So, if one of you friendly ytse-digest people could send it to me, in
properly legible form, that would rock out.  Thanks tons.

Alex

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:16:12 EDT
From: email_address_removed
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3984
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


In a message dated 98-06-15 05:21:15 EDT, you write:

[A whole bunch of hilarious MP related stuff]
<< 		Sincerely,
 		Brigadier Smith-Smythe
 		(Mrs.)
  >>

ROFLMAO!  That kicked ass!!  Long live Python!!  :-D    

Yours lovingly,
         Ken Shabby.... er, I mean, Matt T.

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:20:26 -0500 (EST)
From: belhai <email_address_removed>
To: Dream Theater <email_address_removed>
Subject: what is a pro-shot to you?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hey folks:

I want to get your opinion on what a pro-shot video is. I was recently
reading the Rush newsgroup and this guy had a list of Rush videos
available. One of them (the Philly show of the TFE tour...11/6/96) was
listed as a pro-shot. I asked him many times if it really was a pro-shot
because I had never heard of this one before. He told me yes and I sent
him a money order.

I got the video today and to me, it was not a pro-shot. It was not
anything like the Auburn Hills show (3/22/94) or the DT PPV show
(1/24/95). He claims it is a pro-shot because more than one camera was
used and it was done by professionals. And he's refusing to give me my
money back.

I just wanted to get your opinions before I argue with this dolt some
more.


Thanks,
Brandon



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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:31:40 -0500
From: Carlos Alfaro <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Again?
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


This morning i finally received 70 ytsejam msgs..
but i havent received anything since..

whats up?



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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:32:56 -0400
From: Lobsterback <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: DP/DT/ELP in Philly
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


In case it hasn't yet been writ here, tickets for the August 12th Deep
Purple / Dream Theater / Emerson, Lake & Palmer show go on sale this
Saturday, that's right, the 20th of June.  Just announced today -- a 93.3
WMMR "concert event", even.

Brian "Rosa's New Hoedown Millenium Cantina" Henderson

===========================
Name:
 W. Brian Henderson, Esq.
Contact:
 email_address_removed
ROBOT-CENTRAL:
 http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/
===========================

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:57:46 -0400
From: Totikus <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: To all Hungarian jammers (urgent)
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


To all Hungarian jammers:
1.  If you or someone you know is taping the concert on Tuesday the 16th,
please contact me ... I'd like to receive a copy if at all possible. 
2. Anyone who's been to any Hungarian CD stores recently -- do they
carry Superior and Symphony X? What price?

Thanks in advance.

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| Totikus                            email_address_removed |
| A Fortune In Midis    -    The Dream Theater Midi Page |
| http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7767  |
| "A man must learn to cope, if his obsession's real     |
|  Suppression that he feels must turn to hope."         |
|                     Dream Theater, "Take The Time"     |
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:16:16 -0400
From: Bruce Duesterhoeft <email_address_removed>
To: Syrinx <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Camden Show - Ticket Info.
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Yes they go on sale Saturday the 20th (this Saturday), but I haven't found
out any prices yet.

They have been promoting the show on 93.3 WMMR in the mornings at least -
but they say it's an ELP show with Deep Purple ohhhh and Dream Theater
opening (saying like - who are these guys???).

later

The Duester

Syrinx wrote:

> > Any ways just was wondering if anyone knows when the Camden Aug 12th
> > show tix are going on sale....I originally heard this Saturday, but no
> > confirmation, anyone know?
>
>         As far as I know, tickets go on sale the 20th.
>
>                 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
>                     email_address_removed / email_address_removed
>                      erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org
>                 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=




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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:28:58 -0500
From: "Erik 'Starblazer' Stearns" <email_address_removed>
To: The National Midnight Star <email_address_removed>, YTSEJAM <email_address_removed>
Subject: CDs and Keyboard update.
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Hey guys,

	Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who responded to my questions
about the keyboards and Cd's.  I haven't had a chance to go through all
the info yet because a very good friend of mine is in the hospital
because of a heart attack and stroke.  So I've been trying to balance my
usual routines with seeing what I could do for his situation. 

	I found all the CD's except the Gun CD.  And yes, the CDNOW.COM site
helped tremendously.

Thanks,

Erik.

-- 
	An Open mind is the thriving of a society while 
the closed mind is the downfall of the same.  For 
in Saroks's words, "The spear in the others's heart 
is the spear in your own.  You are he."

-- From the "Freedom" Speech to Larion's Congress

Erik Stearns
StarBlazer Enterprises Inc.
(512)719-1252
Fax:  (512)719-1066
mailto:email_address_removed
mailto:email_address_removed
mailto:email_address_removed
http://www.starblazer.com
http://www.realtime.net/~stearns
http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Lab/1740

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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:41:55 -0400
From: Chris Dixon <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: If you like survey
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


The results for the "If you like... You should try..." survey are up on
Prog-Net.    Thanks to all those who participated!

Prog-Net is: http://www.isminternet.com/prognet/
"Reviews and Opinions About Progressive Music"

Later,
Chris


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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:52:00 -0400
From: Haje Jan Kamps <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: The I&W misprint
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>



I mailed a while back about the I&W misprinted CD. It is in the regular I&W
CD case, with the regular liner notes, and the regular image on the disc,
but it has AC//DC music on it (whatever one it is.. It has Hell's Bells on it.

Now this guy emailed me and told me he'd give USD $ 100 for it.. Is it
really worth that much? Or maybe it's even worth more?



FEEDBACK!! FEEDBACK!!!



Haje Jan
                    +---------------------+
                    |    Haje Jan Kamps   |
+-------------------+---------------------+
|    http://home.sol.no/~lrovers/haje/    |
+-----------------------------------------+
|          Careful what you wish          |
|            you may regret it            |
|          Careful what you wish          |
|          You just might get it          |
|        -metallica : King Nothing        |
+-----------------------------------------+

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:31:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andy <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Firth of Fifth
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Just one comment... who ever flamed me for my suggestion for tab, your a
loser.  I'm trying to help someone out, I don't play any instruments, and
if its called tab or sheet music I could really give a fuck. You try to do
something nice for a friend, get them something they want, and people
flame you for it.

in haste....andy 

Andrew Miller				Resigning himself to the unknown
email_address_removed			he drifts off into sleep.  He
					wakes in a cold sweat with a
					strong urge to vomit.
						-question...Who is HE?


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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 00:34:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andy <email_address_removed>
To: Multiple recipients of list <email_address_removed>
Subject: Degarmo meets Cantrell
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Chris Degarmo (formerly of Queensryche), will be the touring guitarist for
Jerry Cantrell (still with AIC? and solo).  He is on the tour with
Cantrell and Metallica.  If these guys cut an album together, we could
have something amazing.


andy

Andrew Miller				Resigning himself to the unknown
email_address_removed			he drifts off into sleep.  He
					wakes in a cold sweat with a
					strong urge to vomit.
						-question...Who is HE?


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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 23:38:23 -0500
From: Alan Estrada <email_address_removed>
To: email_address_removed
Subject: Mike Keneally/Dweezil Zappa/DT on Real Audio
Message-ID: <message_id_removed.mx>


I just wanted to let you know that I uploaded the complete medley of
Keneally and Dweezil on Real Audio, now you dont have to wait tons of time
to listen to it, you can check out
the medley at:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/7460/z-medley.ra

and also I uploaded a little clip (I have to edit this again) from DT at:

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/7460/dremix.ra

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 01:19:11 -0600
From: "Larry" <email_address_removed>
To: <email_address_removed>
Subject: Re: Paul Gilbert's "King of Clubs"
Message-ID: <005901bd98f7$a0735920$b7e81fcc@amd-k6200>


Andrew Forcier wrote:

> Hey! I've been meaning to ask: anyone have the Paul Gilbert solo CD, King
>of Clubs? How is it? I see Bruce Bouillet had some involvement so is it a
>band album with vocals, etc., or just instrumental? Considering Mr. Big was
>one of my favorites in the "hair" era, I'm definitely intrigued.
>


Well . . . I've had it for about three weeks and only listened to it four
times, so I'm not the most qualified to review it, but I'll try -


   Paul Gilbert indeed kicks booty when he cuts loose on guitar, but that
doesn't happen near enough on this disc.  Ten of the twelve songs feature
Paul's rather soft vocals, and while he's a competent singer, he sure won't
scorch your undies like KJLB does.

   All the songs, except one, are between 1:56 and 4:56 long.  Fully half of
the songs sound rather "Beatle-esque", with tight harmonies, jangly guitars,
tambourines, and poppy melodies that are a little too "perfect".   I used to
really enjoy this kind of music, but, well, it sure ain't prog.  A couple of
the songs don't have a lead break at all - kinda weird for an album by a
noted "axeman" like Gilbert.

   One standout is "The Jig", an acoustic version of a J.S. Bach melody that
is performed very impressively.  "Bumblebee" (no relation to the recently
discussed "Flight of . . .") is a 70-ish kick-ass rock tune which
unfortunately fades out just when it gets interesting, as does "Double
Trouble", another rocker that's just too short.  "Streetlights" is a smoky,
6/8 blues tune with a shreddin' solo that seems a little out-of-place.
Still, this is probably my favorite cut on the CD, one reason being that
Paul seems to put a little more emotion into the vocals.

    You guitarists out there should like the last track, "The Jam", which
seems to be exactly that - a 19:35 long studio jam, which features Paul
tearin' it up and trading licks with Bruce Bouillet.  This one fades IN
(sure sign of a real jam).  Main problem with this tune - it gets more than
a little tedious, since the bass line never changes, and the pattern is,
frankly, dull - it's I - I - I - V for over 19 minutes, fer Ged's sake!
There is a double-time change-up, but not 'til 10:45 or so, and then it's
just the drums changing - the bass line plods along, exactly the same.  At
11:45 it's back to the original tempo - then two minutes later back to
double-time, and STILL the bass line is unchanged!  Sorry, but I think that
falls somewhat short of imaginative.  Now, if you're here for the shredding,
you're gonna love this tune anyway, cuz Paul does plenty of that.  I really
like the Robin Trower-influenced licks heard in several places, and the
"loosy-goosy" bends interspersed among the 64th notes, but then it ends -
and the ending sux.  IMO, that is.

This one might make it back into the CD-changer a few times, but it's not
too likely to enjoy an extended stay.  However, if you're a student of
guitar technique, you could do much worse than to study "The Jam".  Steal
these licks, and be revered!


There ya go - my first review - shit, that's too much work for an old dude.
Hope somebody got something out of it . . .

Larry

Obligatory DTC - uhh, . . . um, JP might like the solos . . .


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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:00:16 -0500
From: AL <email_address_removed>
To: YTSELAND <email_address_removed>
Subject: Fates recommendations 
Message-ID: <message_id_removed>


Thanks again Jammers for introducing some otherwise undiscovered
musical masterpieces.  I'm starting to get into Fates Warning, big time!
My purchases have been in this order: APSOG - Parallels - Perfect Symmetry.
I like all of them, but the ones getting more frequent play are Parallels & PS.
OK, now what?        Any suggestions?

--
See ya,   AL...     The YTSE Progtologist

Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems
http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Never raise your hands to your kids.  It leaves your
groin unprotected.    - Red Buttons



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