YTSEJAM Digest 3968 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Boots, etc... by Adam Pye 2) Yes, KNAC lives!!! by email_address_removed 3) Music that Kicks Ass - Edgar Meyer and sundry by "earthblind, starbound" 4) Jammer on front page of the paper by Andy 5) Buckethead / Giant Robot II by Rick Audet 6) Re: More on 420 by "Vincent G. LuPone" 7) Advice from Coldfire by Chris Oates 8) Savatage recommendations by rjurado 9) 4:20 (the truth be known) by email_address_removed 10) Savatage by "Alex Smith" 11) A helping hand! (Please Read) by "Hector Crisantes" 12) Re: 4:20 (the truth be known) by without-neurons-man 13) NDTC - Attention MIKE BAHR!! by "Scott Hansen" 14) If you really want to get DT some airplay by Davidjon Sabetai 15) where are those shows in mp3?? by Mike Stoner 16) REALLY fucked up MIKE TRAMP story.... by "Carlo D'Angelo" 17) Beware, boot traders by Big Swifty 18) CD NOW $10 discount... by Michael Kizer 19) More about 420 by Andrew Martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 17:36:47 -0400 From: Adam Pye To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Boots, etc... Message-ID: > And the worst part? It used to be a challenge to find a good boot, and a >joyous event to purchase one or just TRADE to get one. Now the "fans" don't >trade tapes, they burn CDs... You'll never know what this music meant to >the generation of fans before you. Hmm. I semi-agree with you. Tape trading used to be a great hobby that I think has really gotten distorted by the availability of CD boots for sale. Now, it's not the fact that it's on CD that's the problem. You can trade boots on any media and still keep the original integrity of trading. It's when money starts changing hands that the problems usually come in (not only the lack of integrity but also legal probs). At one point or another I've traded with people for cassette, DAT, minidisc, reel to reel (Grateful Dead trade), and CD/CD-R. I have stuff in my collection I can't even play when I'm at school because my only access to a player (ie, minidisc and reel/reel) is when I'm at home in Atlanta. I can't even put that stuff (probably two dozen shows, half of them DT) on my list. I do it for the sake of collection and I have a great time with it. Never at any time, however, will I sell a bootleg. That's what I have a problem with. So, IMO, it doesn't make you any less of a fan to trade boots on CD-R, but when monetary profit is involved I've got issues. I hope that clears up my stance (and I think several other people agree with me). As for the Bahr apology in the last Jam, I'll believe it when I see it. I didn't used to be this jaded, but I've learned from bad experience after bad experience. I don't want to start another Bahr thread, tho', so I won't speak of that anymore. Take care all! __________________________________________________ Adam Pye (Alpine/Alpineone/Alpione) alpineone(-at-)mindspring.com ICQ: 9382967 http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone/tapelist.html ^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 14:58:32 -0700 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Yes, KNAC lives!!! Message-ID: Actually, for those who care, you can listen to KNAC at http://knac.demonet.com/ Happy listening!! rockercat ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 18:14:08 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" To: email_address_removed Subject: Music that Kicks Ass - Edgar Meyer and sundry Message-ID: "The Green Groves of Erin/The Flowers of Red Hill" performed by Yo-Yo Ma, Edgar Meyer, and Mark O'Connor from APPALACHIA WALTZ http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/erin.zip "The Big Cheese" performed by Edgar Meyer, Bela Fleck, and Mike Marshall from UNCOMMON RITUAL http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/cheese.zip Lobsterback requested I include something by these guys. So here we go. These two disks released by Sony Classical stretch the boundaries of classical music into other acoustic territories. And I wouldn't know about them if my roommate wasn't a channel surfer. The first song, "The Green Groves of Erin," I heard first on "Loosely Mozart" by Great Performances. Here we have Yo-Yo Ma, world famous cello player, Edgar Meyer, well known double-bassist in classical and bluegrass circles, and Mark O'Connor, a fantastic bluegrass fiddle player, playing a beautiful Irish folk tune. This album, APPALACHIA WALTZ, takes advantage of the place of the stringed instrument in classical music, as well as the fiddle's place in bluegrass and bluegrass's celtic roots. The second song, "The Big Cheese," is by Edgar Meyer again, as well as skilled mandolin player Mike Marshall and absolutely stunning and original banjo player Bela Fleck. This album is more bluegrass than the previous, at times reminding me of Bela Fleck's DRIVE. It's a lot less sedate, as this song, played for laughs, demonstrates. They imagine themselves moving from one car in the musical train to another, leaping from style to style. We move from a relaxed bluegrass funk to increasingly boroque instrumental styles and back again, until all hell breaks loose and the train goes screaming into yee-haw factor (so to speak). The musicians regain sudden control, however, though personally I laughed out loud when I first heard it. The songs are in mp3 format but are zipped to keep lame browers from fucking them up. Together they make 3 mb. They'll exist for a week. Enjoy. You're going to have to wait until later tonight or tomorrow to download them. I'm trapped using Winblows and about a third of the time it crashes in the middle of uploading (and about everything else). Don't have time right now to try again. "So you thought that your bolts and your locks would keep me out. You should have known better after all this time. You're going to pay in blood for all your vicious slander.... Let the blood flow." -- Fish -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:34:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy To: email_address_removed Subject: Jammer on front page of the paper Message-ID: I picked up my Suday paper and who should I see on the front page ROB Barker, better known as Ibenez, or something. He was wearing his DT t-shirt too. The paper ciruclates throughout Delaware, Southeastern PA, and Maryland. Check it out kind of cool. Rob made the front page because he was in the front row at the local jazz festival, which featured Pat Martino, Russ Freedman, Lee Ritnour, Gato Baberi, Joyce Cooling, among others...anyway andy Andrew Miller Resigning himself to the unknown email_address_removed he drifts off into sleep. He wakes in a cold sweat with a strong urge to vomit. -question...Who is HE? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 17:19:37 -0700 From: Rick Audet To: ShitzyJam Subject: Buckethead / Giant Robot II Message-ID: San Francisco Bay Area Jammers, We have another Buckethead show coming up. It's actually a Giant Robot II show (that's the band he plays with) and it will be at: The Justice League Friday June 19, 9pm http://www.sfstation.com/clubs/justiceleague.htm The only thing is I think Giant Robot is opening, not headlining. The show is listed as Tipsy (some band, not familiar with them yet) plus Buckethead. But still, any chance to see that masked freak is worthwhile. Also, he has a new album in the works called "Cobra Strike" due out in a few months. Keep an eye out for it. Hope to see you there. Rick Audet San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 19:24:43 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: More on 420 Message-ID: >4/20 is ALSO Mike's birthday. I don't think the "420" number on the Pro Mark >sticks was just a coincidence..... It's also a police code and a significant time of day.... ..if you know what I mean :) Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | http://www.prognosis.com/obscure/ | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 20:18:08 -0700 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: Advice from Coldfire Message-ID: Apologies if this ends up in here wice. I got a "host unknown" the first time I sent it. Coldfire says: >Chris, Chris, Chris......(or should I say Darryl, Darryl, Darryl.... > >You dear are looking in the wrong place sweetheart. We told you.....ya >gotta find yourself a prog loving woman. Well, she liked the DT tape I made for her ... but I guess I should find someone who is already into prog, you mean? Maybe ... >I happen to know of a few on >the West Coast who would not pull fast ones on you! Oh, and who would that be? ;) >ON the other hand, if you now have all this wonderful keyboard equipment >(congrats), will you have time for a good prog loving woman???????? The way I figure it, I just write lots of angry music, become famous and then the women will find ME. :) ~Chris __ /\ __ Chris Oates: email_address_removed __\/__\/__ +---- \_||_/ | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | /__||__\ | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears" | // \ | \\ ----+ \| http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 11:31:55 +0800 From: rjurado To: email_address_removed Subject: Savatage recommendations Message-ID: Hey there, I have "Handful of Rain". I dig it. I want more. What next? -Rob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 23:34:08 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: 4:20 (the truth be known) Message-ID: Aha!! I have had an insight into this pesky little "420" thing. Everyone is thinking of this in the wrong manner...it's not "four twenty." It's "forty- two, zero." See what I mean? Huh? Do ya? Hmm...I don't. Nevermind that. So...is it the sticks? The pot? The boithday? Mike, please...do tell. [eriC] THE DRE/\M THE/\TER ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:34:16 -0700 From: "Alex Smith" To: "YTSEJAM" Subject: Savatage Message-ID: <01bd9296$b2611b20$message_id_removed> Somebody tell me something about Savatage... it sounds like an intriguing band. I just read the story and lyrics for their latest album and it sounds AWESOME! Alex Smith email_address_removed http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/ "Sometimes a view from sinless eyes Centers our perspective And pacifies our cries Sometimes the anguish we survive And the mysteries we nurture Are the fabrics of our lives." -Dream Theater ------------------------------------- "So many things I think about When I look far away Things I know - Things I wonder Things I'd like to say The more we think we know about The greater the unknown We suspend our disbelief And we are not alone." -Rush ------------------------------------- "I will wear your white feather I will carry your white flag I will swear I have no nation But I'm proud to own my heart." -Marillion (Fish) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:45:35 -0700 From: "Hector Crisantes" To: "YTSEJAM" , "Vincent G. LuPone" , Subject: A helping hand! (Please Read) Message-ID: June 7, 1998 Dear Friends, We have been asked by a fellow company to participate in a request that a business card be sent to Craig Sheford at the address below. They have participated and we are participating and pass the request to you. Seven year-old Craig has a brain tumor and has little time to live. Craig turned in a wish to the Children's Make a Wish Foundation and expresses his desire to have an entry in the World Book of Records for the largest collection of business cards received by an individual. Please take a moment to retype this letter on your letterhead and send it to twenty businesses of your choice, helping him make his wish come true. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE, PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE!!! Please send your business cards to: Craig Sheford C/o Make a Wish Foundation 320 Perimeter Center East Wing Atlanta, GA 30346 Sincerely, Hector Crisantes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 00:53:53 -0400 (EDT) From: without-neurons-man To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: 4:20 (the truth be known) Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Jun 1998 email_address_removed wrote: > So...is it the sticks? The pot? The boithday? Perhaps the truth is just too weird to handle: After 419 failed attempts at creating the perfect percussionist, the demented and curiously rhythm-crazed scientists of the infamous underground Sheikjerbouti laboratory were understandably at their wits' end. Historically, their travails were rivaled only by the quest for the long-tailed hamster. Imagine the scientists' unforeseen and unequaled rejoicing when the next -- and final -- subject of Project Portnoy first took sticks in hand and out-balls-n-chunk'ed their every expectation. Or maybe AOL coughed up the mystical number in an effort to keep its screen names unique. Nah... :) -chris Chris Richards email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:00:36 -0500 From: "Scott Hansen" To: Subject: NDTC - Attention MIKE BAHR!! Message-ID: Hey Kiddies - Forgive me for doing this again - but this is important! Mike Bahr - please email me and please send me your phone # as I have lost it and need to speak to you! Scott Hansen email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:49:50 +0000 From: Davidjon Sabetai To: email_address_removed Subject: If you really want to get DT some airplay Message-ID: <19980608044950.IUBG6388@LOCALNAME> I've been reading a lot of posts trying to bombard MTV and radio stations with requests for DT. Well that's good and dandy and all, but we all know that won't work. We need more action and less talk. We need to form the ytse-militia. Fuck that peaceful shit. All guitarists and bassists owning deadly-weapon shaped BC Rich, Dean, Washburn and Jackson instruments preprare to impale your alternative foes. I personally say we organize into regions and take over radio stations ala the movie Airheads. Our slogan will be, "No Music Television without representation." Think about we've got some good soldiers like Mike "the wrestler" Bahr and his cousin Joey. Then there's Mark Metzger, who has threatened me on numerous occasions. We could then back up the warriors with shred music and hurt our non-progressive enemies' ears with virtuosic music. Chris Ptacek, Bafu, and Wacky (sorry Wacky I knew you wanted to drive the infantry vehicles, but this is better for the team ;) ) could do that. We could then have snipers throwing poisoned tipped drum sticks and guitar picks. A team effort could defeat the evil fiends at the record companies and radio stations. Of course a jammer or two might be lost fighting for the cause, but think of the benefits- millions of peole listening to progessive music, new fans for prog bands, and the death of commercial crap. I urge you all to enlist in the ytse-militia now. The few, the proud, the progressive. Isaac "Reynold's Wrap-- keeps freshness in, can't keep Mitchell out," Tom Servo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:14:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Stoner To: email_address_removed Subject: where are those shows in mp3?? Message-ID: Hey all, A few months back someone posted a URL that had two full shows encoded in mp3 format. One was from the April '97 European tour (at Kassel I think) and the other was from June '95 featuring the 'new' ACOS in its entirety. Can someone repost that URL? I had downloaded both shows onto my harddrive, but then my system got stolen and at this point I don't expect I'll get it back. -- Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 01:22:45 -0400 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" To: Ytsejam Subject: REALLY fucked up MIKE TRAMP story.... Message-ID: Whassup people, I was surfing through the CMC Intl Records website looking for IRON MAIDEN tourdates when I came across this REALLY fucked up story concerning Mike Tramp (ex- WHITELION.....HAIL!!! hehehe) and the New Jersey State Troopers. http://www.trampuniverse.com/32598.htm This is what you get for being honest.....fucking assholes. Carlo (Fates) NP: ANATHEMA "Eternity" -- "When you know that your time is close at hand maybe then you'll begin to understand Life down here is just a strange illusion." --IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 00:17:28 -0500 From: Big Swifty To: email_address_removed Subject: Beware, boot traders Message-ID: Hello, those of you who are still on the 'jam during the summer :) I'd like to relate a little story about a trade I couldn't complete. I agreed to trade with a person from Holland. If he's on the 'jam, he's a lurker, because I've never read a post from him that I recall. Anyway, He sent me 5 CD-Rs of DT boots, and I sent him 5 CD-Rs of Rush boots. His stuff got to me in eight days, but two months passed and mine never got to him. I was preparing to eat the expenses and send him another package, but I got an email from him. He said that an organization called Buma/Stemra had raided his mail, found the package I sent him, opened it, and destroyed the contents. They wrote him a letter (much later, I would suspect) threatening him with prosecution if he was sent anything else through the mail like this. I haven't heard from them yet, but I think I might soon. I searched on the web for hours, but I couldn't find much at all about Buma/Stemra. Has anyone else here been hassled by these pricks? I realize that it's illegal in the US for anyone (besides the government, of course) to raid your mail, but I have no idea about the laws in other countries. For the record, I've never sold a bootleg in my life. I've traded for several, I've traded for blanks even more often (that's how I got started, and I follow the Golden Rule), and I've given away quite a few. I am asking anyone who has information on the pigs that call themselves Buma/Stemra to let me know how to find it. I did find a quote on a news page that said "Sony and Virgin have threatened to boycott Buma/Stemra because of their actions in Holland" in as many words, but that's about it. Thanks for your time, everyone, and take care, Mark Peters email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:22:38 -0700 From: Michael Kizer To: "email_address_removed (Parallels List)" , Subject: CD NOW $10 discount... Message-ID: Hey gang, Going to CD NOW through my website will get you a $10 discount! Here's the scoop: >For the entire month of June, your visitors receive a $10.00 discount >on their purchases of $20.00 or more at CDnow (applicable taxes, >shipping and handling not included). This discount will automatically >appear in their account when they come to CDnow from your site, using >your Cosmic URLs. Limit one per customer. This offer is not combinable >with any other promotions or discounts. Offer expires June 30, 1998. So, you can head over to http://www.ivorygate.com/dt and click on the link to CD NOW for the list of Dream Theater stuff (or search on any artist from there), or go to http://www.ivorygate.com/fw for a direct link to Fates Warning merchandise. The discount applies to anything you want to buy (not limited to DT or FW)... Happy shopping!!! -- ~Michael Kizer "Enter ivory gates through midnight skies..." - http://www.ivorygate.com Fates Warning~ Island In The Stream / Dream Theater Unofficial Song Book "Everyone's leading but nobody's dancing, you stand on the stage just to turn all alone" ~ Savatage (TWoM) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 01:16:54 -0400 From: Andrew Martin To: "email_address_removed" Subject: More about 420 Message-ID: I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but as far as I know, 420 is also the police code for possession of a class D substance (pot). It sounds to me like MP might take pride in the coincidence that 420 is also his birthday, and that is why it appears often with his name. andrew ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3968 **************************