YTSEJAM Digest 3947 Today's Topics: 1) first chris degarmo, and now....... by email_address_removed 2) 21 Century Schizoid Man by "Charlie Farrell" 3) Classical stuff by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" 4) Orchestral recommendations, Skolnick by Ernesto Schnack 5) Re: dt on mtv? get a round tuit already by "Karol" 6) Re: Ball dipping by "Carlos \"?r?g??¥\" Alfaro" 7) ANGRA by "Marco Anastasi" 8) Music that Kicks Ass - Fish by "earthblind, starbound" 9) Re: Orchestral music recommendations by Ryan Park 10) Re: Orchestral music recommendations by Steve Chew 11) Orchestral music by Jon Kretschmer 12) LTE and Explorer's Club reviews in Guitar World by "Adam Cook" 13) Re: Orchestral music recommendations by Ville Paukkonen 14) Classical music by Steve Zebrowski ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 16:56:53 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: first chris degarmo, and now....... Message-ID: ginger spice, the only spice girl who was actually HOT, decides she's got better plans. what next, tori amos to replace derek in dt (thought i'd tie you 2 lists together somehow!)? damnit. i guess it was a sort of omen when i bought the ginger spice lollipop last week. someone's saving HIS wrapper. a sad day in music land. *********************************************************************** david y. kobayashi new york law school email_address_removed "throw off those chains of reason and your prison disappears." n. peart *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:01:22 -0000 From: "Charlie Farrell" To: "Ytsejam list" Subject: 21 Century Schizoid Man Message-ID: >>Quick question... >>I heard another band (Forbidden) do a cover of this song and I never knew >>who the original songwriters were. Which band originally did "21st Century >>Schizoid Man"? >> >April Wine also covered this song. Not a bad job, either, IMHO. And so did PFM (live at least), but then they (like ELP) also worked with Peter Sinfield. (I forget whether it was Rush or Triumph who toured the UK with April Wine as support - but anyway, April Wine were crap live.) Charlie Work: http://www.servemode.co.uk/ email: charlie@servemode.co.uk URL: http://www.servemode.co.uk/Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 22:58:58 +0100 From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Classical stuff Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E274339AF@LON01XBCAPGE> Calvin asked: >Anyone here (because I respect the opinions of those here) want to throw >out some recommendations? Please include the conductor and orchestra recording you would suggest - as well as the composer and the composition name in particular. And Rick Audet said: Vivaldi, "The Four Seasons". Kicks much ass. Yes, get the Academy of Ancient Music version with Simon Hogwood. Also, maybe Bach's Brandenburg Concertos, some Paganini, (this is the sort of stuff that started 'neo-classical' guitarists) and some Wagner overtures and instrumental, so you can drive down Kings Road, Chelsea with the roof down and 'Ride of the Valkyries' at full blast, just like in Apocalypse Now (I have von Karajan and Georg Solti recordings. You need Liebestod from 'Tristan and Isolde' and Venusberg from 'Tannhauser' to be on them as well). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 14:59:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Ernesto Schnack To: email_address_removed Subject: Orchestral recommendations, Skolnick Message-ID: I in particular like > the dark, somber music with angry parts, depressing parts, and beautiful > sections. In other words - the "voices" of orchestral music. > Ok, if you like dark and somber mixed with beatiful i'd recommend the piece i'm currently crazy about: Glen Branca's Symphony no 9. Note:this guy is a modern composer (he's alive), he's not traditional at all and the music is really dense, so its really challenging to hear...but man, once you get it, its unbelievable. I also highly recomend Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. I've only heard one version and that's the Berlin Philharmonic with Karajan. I dont know if there are better or worse ones. On another subject, anybody heard Skol-Patrol yet? ANy good? Ernesto _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 19:02:33 -0300 From: "Karol" To: Subject: Re: dt on mtv? get a round tuit already Message-ID: <01bd8cdf$d01b7d20$message_id_removed.br> Hi+ACE- I've read some of those messages that were talking about calling MTV for them to show some DT video. Man, come on, we don't need MTV+ACE- Didn't you realize that tha people at MTV just play what they want, when they want and the way they want it??? It's no use calling them. If hundreds of people ask them to play a DT 12 minute song, that doesn't mean that they'll play it. If they want to play Madonna instead of DT, they +ACo-will+ACo- play Madonna instead of DT, even if only ten people asked for it+ACEAIQAh- Of course, Madonna sells much more+ACE- I thank DT everyday for not making short songs+ACEAIQ- You see, MTV and radio stations just play what they want us to listen. If some record label wants the new Spice Girl album to sell a lot, it will simply go to MTV and radio stations, pay something and BOOM, the new Spice Girl record is a phenomenon. IMO, they are just machines that make money and that treat us like fools. If MTV were interested in being a real +ACo-music+ACo- channel, a cultural channel, it wouldn't be filling our brains up with the same video thousands of times a day. It would show ALL kinds of music, with no discrimination, otherwise it shouldn't be called +ACo-music+ACo- television+ACE- I don't know about the rest of the people, but, if someone out here on ytsejam organizes something in order to everybody call MTV, I surely won't participate. Thank you for reading Karol ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:13:07 -0400 From: "Carlos \"?r?g??¥\" Alfaro" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Ball dipping Message-ID: Der Herr Bodinger wrote: > 1. As far as i now KITH was on HBO for a short run but it was > on comedy central for a few years > 2. KITH was never on mtv in my memory (i could be wrong) > 3. for those of you who want to know it was a show called 'The > Edge' and playing the part of louie was a guy named Ken Marino. > The Edge was mtv's answer to KITH, i think. > > Chuck YES! and as far as i rememeber.. the DIP my balls thing was done on "the state" on mtv.. not on KITH....-- -The Next John Petrucci :) In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:51:57 +0200 From: "Marco Anastasi" To: "YtseJam" Subject: ANGRA Message-ID: <01bd8cde$55241ba0$message_id_removed.it> Hello Fellow Jammers ! Just to add MY HUMBLE OPINION about André Matos' Voice and way of singing... He KICKS a really GREAT Amount of ASSES !!! I think he's probably the best singer ever appeared on the Earth... Obviously that's just My opinion, non a fact... I know that some of you can find his way of singing a bit annoying, but I think that it's a fact that he DOESN'T Ever go out of tune... He's got a great knowledge of music (He's graduated in composition and piano), and I find his musical ideas amazing... Anyway, I respect anyone of you who disagrees, I think that "de gustibus non disputandum est". Curiosity : I know that it could be annoying to someone when he sings a note, than hits the note an 8a up and than goes back to the previous note, but I find it one of the most amazing vocal skills he's got... Just try to do it yourselves with that precision... :):) Please don't fire me... This was just my opinion... Bye All ! [Mav] P.S. : Does anyone of you know if Angra will play at MONSTERS OF ROCK in Turin June 13th ? [ProgMetal Rules] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:19:00 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" To: email_address_removed Subject: Music that Kicks Ass - Fish Message-ID: "The Perception of Johnny Punter" by Fish and Steven Wilson http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/punter.zip The best album of last year was either APSoG or Fish's SUNSETS ON EMPIRE. I flipflop from one to the other. APSoG is a great single piece, but SOE is brilliant. Fates didn't end their album with the absolute 4 minute turd that is "Say it with Flowers," so I guess they win. No matter, Fish's latest album is brilliant, and back to the Fish we Marillion fans know and love. No, this isn't as prog as old Marillion, but it's much heavier, which makes up for that. Helping write half the tracks on the album, and very welcome, is Steven Wilson from Porcupine Tree. Great musicians all around (especially guitar--phew, Steven Rothery watch out), good to awe-inspiring lyrics, and one of the most versatile voices in rock music. It was hard to pick a song to give you, but I decided on this one, "The Perception of Johnny Punter," because of its personal meaning to me. This version is different from the European version, because the American company would not allow the first verse--which had the word "nigger" in it (as well as several other racial epithets). Though this took away some of the song's focus against racism, I think it actually came out better. The new verse is wonderful, as well as generalizing the song toward all people who have been made aliens by their peers. It's a powerful song, angry and lush and full of despair, and one day, when "something happens," no one has an excuse to be surprised. At the URL above is the 3.4meg zipped mp3 (zipped to keep lame browsers from destroying the file). Enjoy it for this week. If you like it, buy the freaking album. Then buy FUGAZI if you haven't already. "So you thought that your bolts and your locks would keep me out. You should have known better after all this time. You're going to pay in blood for all your vicious slander.... Let the blood flow." -- Fish -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:29:39 -0400 From: Ryan Park To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Orchestral music recommendations Message-ID: > Anyone here (because I respect the opinions of those here) want to throw out > some recommendations? Please include the conductor and orchestra recording > you would suggest - as well as the composer and the composition name in > particular. One of the best CDs I own is the score to the 1989 movie Henry V. It was composed by Patrick Doyle, conducted by Simon Rattle, and performed by the City of Birmingham [England] Symphony Orchestra. This was Doyle's first professional composition. He's composed many more movie scores since then, but none are quite as good as the Henry V score. I'd recommend that to... well, pretty much everyone . Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:29:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Chew To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Orchestral music recommendations Message-ID: > >Now my problem is because I don't really have a clue as where to begin - I >continually buy Orchestral CDs with ho-hum compositions. I in particular like >the dark, somber music with angry parts, depressing parts, and beautiful >sections. In other words - the "voices" of orchestral music. > >Anyone here (because I respect the opinions of those here) want to throw out >some recommendations? Please include the conductor and orchestra recording >you would suggest - as well as the composer and the composition name in >particular. > I also like dark, powerful classical pieces but it's hard to judge what you will like based only on Mozart's "Requiem". Here are some of my favorites. Let me know what you end up liking. :) Steve Composer Title Beethoven Symphonies (5th, 9th, etc) -- It's hard to go wrong with any of Beethoven's symphonies, but I'd suggest the 5th and 9th as the best starting points for powerful, darker styles. Those are among the most amazing symphonies ever written. You may like some of his overtures too (such as "Prometheus"). For conductors you probably want Leonard Bernstein or Herbert von Karajan. Dvorak 9th "New World" Symphony -- Another of my favorites. -- Some of his Slavonic Dances are also good, such as "Furiant". Tchaikovsky 4th Symphony -- Yet another favorite. :) -- Tchaikovsky also has some strong overtures such as the "1812 overture" and "Marche Slave". His other symphonies are also good. Verdi Requiem -- If you like operatic stuff then you'll probably like this. It is very dark and powerful. Gustav Holst The Planets -- The first section, Mars: Bringer of War is especially dark. Gorecki 3rd Symphony -- Very dark. It is slow but it builds an amazing atmosphere -- extremely powerful. Wagner Ring of the Niebulung -- Parts of this massive (16 CD) piece are very dark and cool (such as "Ride of the Valkyries" and "Siegfried's Death March"). Since you probably don't want the whole thing, try a sampler that has those parts for a start. Vivaldi The Four Seasons -- This one isn't as dark but it is still quite good. Rimsky-Korsakoff Scheherazade -- An interesting piece that was "covered" by a progressive band called Rennaisance. Mussorgsky Night on Bald Mountain -- A famous, dark but fun piece. Bruckner 4th or 8th Symphonies -- I haven't got into Bruckner as much as the above composers, but his music tends to be dark and majestic. Mahler Symphony #1. Some of my favorite overtures and dances (usually not as dark, but powerful with good melodies): 1812 -- Tchaikovsky Marche Slave -- Tchaikovsky Poet and Peasant -- Suppe William Tell -- Rossini The Theiving Magpie -- Rossini The Barber of Seville -- Rossini The Sorcerer's Apprentice -- Paul Dukas Hugarian Rhapsody #2 -- Franz Liszt (piano mostly) There are some really great dark classical movie soundtracks out there that you might like: Batman (be sure to get the classical score not the Prince songs) Stargate Henry V ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 15:30:18 -0700 From: Jon Kretschmer To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Orchestral music Message-ID: Great thread Calvin ; ) Here are some of my favorite composers and pieces. Generally, if you stick to the big US and European orchestras (Cleveland (best strings in nation), Chicago (best brass in nation), Philidelphia, New York Phil and LA Phil, Wiener Philharmoniker, National Symphony, etc...) and the big conductors (Masur, Boulez, Mehta, Tilson Thomas, Solti, etc.) you cant really go wrong. Youll probably get a decent rendering of what the composer really wanted. As for which pieces I love and recommend, in no particular chronological order: Beethoven - Symphony #3 "Eroica" This symphony pretty much marked the transition between the classical and romantic periods in european/western music. It pretty much broke ALL modes of classical thinking, and shocked a lot of people when it came out. The first movement was twice as long as any first movement from Mozart or Haydn. It shifted the weight of the typical symphony to being focused on the last movement instead of the first, a technique used by almost all important composers since. It has beautiful, pissed, passionate sections. Check it out. Symphonies #5 and #9 are classics too. Important for any collection. Richard Strauss - Also Sprach Zarathustra Opens with the famous 2001 line, C-G-C. But dont expect it to keep that way, it quickly moves on to MUCH more amazing music : ) The whole piece is about 30 minutes long, one movement (Strauss was big on tone poems), and explores all ranges of emotions. Ralph Vaughan Williams: - Variations on a Theme by Thomas Tallis I fell in love with orchestral music after hearing this piece ONCE. Period. Ive never been the same person since. It is strictly for strings, and try to get a good recording of it. I have the group "Acedemy of St. Martin in the Fields" with Neville Marriner conducting, and it is awesome. Just a gorgeous piece, it takes you to another world via heaven and back. Dmitri Shostakovich - Symphony #5 The third movement of this symphony is just heart wrenching. Listen to that when you are depressed and it makes SDV pale in comparison (I think SDV is a wonderfully emotional song, no hacking on SDV here). The whole symphony is wonderful, and you can learn more than I could say about it in the liners of the CD you are ABOUT to buy : ) I have National Symphony, with Rostrapovich conducting. It is pretty much the definitive recording, as Rostrapovich was a personal friend of Shostakovich, so the time relationships SO important to this piece are pretty much nailed, evoking the correct emotions. Gustav Mahler: ANYTHING Mahler once said "A symphony should contain the world." And in each of his pieces he does. Its just amazing. His fifth is widely considered to be one of his masterpieces. His 10th symphony Adagio (Mahler died before he could finish it) is gorgeous, and it is kinda spooky in that if you imagine that Mahler KNEW he was going to die before finishing it, you can almost hear Mahler saying from his grave "My music is incomprehensible to you, is it not?" My girlfriend once asked me, after listening to Mahler's 2nd symphony, "After listening to that, how can you NOT believe in a God???" Thats pretty much what Mahler does, brings heaven and hell and earth and humantity to the symphonic forum. He is a genius, in every sense of the word. Igor Stravinsky - The Right of Spring (Le Sacre du Printemps) I think that is the right translation At the premiere of this piece, fist fights and verbal arguments broke out in the audience! I shit you not, this piece is one hell of a ride. It depicts pagen rituals and crazy stuff like that. If you want to get way out there, yet still understand the music and what it is trying to portray, get this. Mussorgsky/Ravel - Pictures at an Exhibition Mussorgsky wrote the piano composition, and Ravel masterfully orchestrated it for orchestra. It isnt as emotional and soul-probing as some of the other stuff I have mentioned, but it is still AWESOME. I strongly recommend the New York Philharmonic/Giuseppe Sinopoli conducting recording. It also has Mussorgsky's Night on Bald Mountain on there too. Bela Bartok - Concerto for Orchestra Just an awesome piece. One of the only pieces that Ive listened to so much that Ive learned to whistle it, back to front, and know exactly what every instrument is doing at every point...Much like I learn DT, come to think of it. : ) This is by no means a complete list of everything that is cool, and I have a lot of other favorites, but Im tired : )...There are thousands of awesome orchestral pieces out there, these are just some of my favorites. Good luck, and I hope you like some of them as much as I do. Later Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:44:51 -0400 From: "Adam Cook" To: Subject: LTE and Explorer's Club reviews in Guitar World Message-ID: Someone on the alt.music-dream-theater mentioned that Guitar World had printed reviews of LTE and Explorers Club in their latest issue. Can anybody post these to the jam? Guitar World is pretty much full of schmucks but there's one reviewer who tends to like shred and some good publicity right now definitely wouldn't be a bad thing. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 00:06:05 +0100 (BST) From: Ville Paukkonen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Orchestral music recommendations Message-ID: On Sun, 31 May 1998 email_address_removed wrote: > Now my problem is because I don't really have a clue as where to begin - I > continually buy Orchestral CDs with ho-hum compositions. I in particular like > the dark, somber music with angry parts, depressing parts, and beautiful > sections. In other words - the "voices" of orchestral music. My, that would be The Rite of Spring (aka Le Sacre du Printemps) by Stravinsky. You might also want to try some Mussorgsky, Shostakovich and Bartok. Naxos recordings are usually a safe bet since they offer rather good quality for budget price. It might also be an idea to buy classical music magazines which feature sampler CDs containing excerpts from reviewed recordings (Classic CD is a good one, although I don't know about its availability in USA). --- ,------------------------. Ville Paukkonen (email_address_removed.ox.ac.uk) | "Ah, Bowakawa Pousse | Undergraduate in Mathematics and Computation | Pousse" (John Lennon) | JCR, Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford OX2 6QA `------------------------' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 19:26:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: Classical music Message-ID: > Now my problem is because I don't really have a clue as where to begin - I > continually buy Orchestral CDs with ho-hum compositions. I in particular like > the dark, somber music with angry parts, depressing parts, and beautiful > sections. In other words - the "voices" of orchestral music. > > Anyone here (because I respect the opinions of those here) want to throw out > some recommendations? Please include the conductor and orchestra recording > you would suggest - as well as the composer and the composition name in > particular. Beethoven's Symphonie No. 9 in d minor--Berliner Philharmoniker under Claudio Abbado W. A. Mozart's "Don Giovanni"--Try for Bryn Terfel, Thomas Hampson or Boje Skhovus in the title role. If you can get past some sunny, happy sounding stuff, it's worth it for the overture and the final act. Gustav Mahler--just about anything Hector Berlioz--Symphonie Fantastique Modest Mussorgsky--pictures at an exhibition Gustav Holst--The planets And, if you really would like your emotions challenged find a recording of Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings--it's probably the most beautiful thing you've never heard. Can anyone back me up on this? Steve Z ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3947 **************************