YTSEJAM Digest 3936 Today's Topics: 1) EJ by "Carlos \"?r?g??¥\" Alfaro" 2) Re: RUSH and DT Album ADVICE by Andrew Embler 3) Re: birthdays by "Dale R. Newberry" 4) Cover / 'Edge of Thorns II' by Lobsterback 5) Andre Matos by Luke Bateup 6) stuff dtc by "Trevor W. Hoit" 7) Angra, Setlist by John Hough 8) Emerson & Mellotron by "Charlie Farrell" 9) Misanthrope by NGA 10) A few things by Graham Borland 11) more mellotron stuff by Thrak75 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3935 by "Jonathan" 13) RE: KJLB and Tori Duet by "Ivan Navarro" 14) London in December and FII by Dave Ware 15) New DT VOCALIST by Nektarios Vasilios Bamiatzis 16) Alex Smith by Max Arbot 17) Angra, s*lling o*t, which DT to get next? by Phil Carter ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:45:46 -0400 From: "Carlos \"?r?g??¥\" Alfaro" To: Ytse Jam Mailing List Subject: EJ Message-ID: Ive been listening to Eric Johnson's Venus Isle this evening while talking to a female friend.. i dont know if this fact has anything to do with it .. but hell.. Eric johnson's voice is so pleasant sounding!! aNy word on a future album?? -The Next John Petrucci :) In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 98 22:59:14 -0700 From: Andrew Embler To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." Subject: Re: RUSH and DT Album ADVICE Message-ID: It was on 5/26/98 10:32 PM that Alex Smith said: >now now y'all, rush sold out after /signals/ with /grace under pressure/. i >still think /signals/ is classic Rush, but after that they lost their edge. >i will admit sigs was a new direction for the band, but I LOVE it! Ugh. Oh yeah, Rush really sold out after Signals. Moving Pictures had a hit in "Tom Sawyer." "Subdivisions" and "New World Man" off of Signals both received and continue to receive airplay on classic rock stations. To this day, I haven't heard a single track off of Grace Under Pressure on the radio. Maybe I don't listen to the right radio stations. :) You might not like the direction that Rush took after Signals, but it sure wasn't selling out. For the record, I love everything Rush has ever done, and don't consider any of it "selling out." I apologize, and desperately hope that this does not begin another "sell-out" thread on the jam. Andrew +-------------------------------------------------------+ |Andrew Embler : .<>. email_address_removed .<>.| |W e b s i t e : http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler/ | +-------------------------------------------------------+ Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. -FZ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:49:56 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: birthdays Message-ID: Man, I just wanted to say thanks to the DTIFC for the birthday card and pin I got in the mail today. It even arrived a few days early (my B-Day is Sat.). Definitely a pleasant surprise :). I've been listening to a lot of Phish lately, and one thing that really impresses me about them is that they'll do anything. I've heard them do covers of Whipping Post, Highway to Hell, and even a version of MmmBop in the style of James Brown (fuckin' hilarious :). I even plan on seeing them in St. Louis in July (and hopefully won't run into too many morons :). Dale r. Newberry email_address_removed "By the time they had diminished from 50 to 8, the other dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry.'" -Gary Larson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 02:56:12 -0400 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: Cover / 'Edge of Thorns II' Message-ID: >This also includes Perfect Strangers (unless jammed WITH Deep Purple). >While some may view it as a tip of the hat, most DP fans will just think "Shit. >They fucked up our fucking band's song." Trust me. Turn the tables. What if Big >Wreck played Pull Me Under and through in their own style. Damn, you'd be >laughing your ass off. Maybe even disgusted. Apples. Oranges. DT's version of "Perfect Strangers" (not the Nightmare Cinema one, mind you) sounds pretty damn close to exact, singer not included. DT has a knack for right-on covering, y'see. Listen to their cover of "Heart of the Sunrise" and tell me JP doesn't sound like Howe. Go on, do it! Bring it on! Also, Big Wreck rules. Moving on ... "Unforgiven II" "Metropolis II" "U2" It seems like everybody's doing sequel-songs these days. Everybody but Savatage! Solution? Take the opening riff from one of their more popular songs, "Edge of Thorns", mess around with it a bit at 2:00 in the a.m., and, pow, you've got "Edge of Thorns II". Available for a limited time only, albeit in MIDI firm, at Robot Central: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/EoTII.mid First person to identify the *non*-'tage riff in it wins a prize [*]. Brian "Sequel like a pig, boy!" Henderson [*] Prize may or may not exist. Subject to availability. No purchase necessary. Contestants related to their siblings not eligable. =========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:05:41 +1000 From: Luke Bateup To: Ytsejam Subject: Andre Matos Message-ID: Peter Andersson wrote: > When it comes to Matos you can say he's got dynamics, range. But not > power (i.e. suitable voice for HEAVY tunes)! Besides this his vocals > are not always tastefully arranged! How 'tasteful' his vocals are arranged is a matter opinion - you state it like fact. IMHO, the way Matos' vocals are arranged over songs like Never Understand, Queen Of The Night and The Shaman are absolutely superb. It wasn't until I actually sat down with the lyrics to both AC and HL and read along with them to the music that I realised how clever Matos' vocal arrangements were. That is, IMHO, of course... Another vocalist no one seems to have mentioned yet; Russel Allen, from Symphony X. He's my fav vocalist and first pick if KJLB ever needed to be replaced. He's got both power and range as demonstrated in the 20 minute DWoT. Cheerin' Luke. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:22:06 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: stuff dtc Message-ID: Wow, everyone take a chill pill. Nobody ever said "Let's replace KJLB". They just said "If KJLB happed to get crushed under the hooves of a massive caribou stampede, who do you think could sing for DT?" Also, while picking a set list for DT to open for DP/ELP may be fun, it's not like they're going to let us decide. Boy, am I a pooper. Well, since we now have nothing to talk about, I'll list the dissapointments of the LA shows. (Like there could really be any) 1. No Nicky Lemmons 2. No Nightmare Cinema 3. No drumstick/banana throwing I have concluded that since all of these things involve Derek, we should fire him and replace him with one of those cute little Hanson boys. I'm done, Trevor p.s. Anyone know what those "=20" things are in my posts? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:21:29 -0700 From: John Hough To: email_address_removed Subject: Angra, Setlist Message-ID: Hey all I just wanted to say that DT rocked at the Maritime hall in SF last week. Now that that is out of the way, I think the setlist should be as follows 1. Metropolis 2. Lifting Shadows 3. Burning My Soul 4. Surrounded 5. 6:00 6. PMU Maybe replace BMS with Anna Lee to get a ballad in there. I think you have a good mix of serious progressiveness (Metropolis), a few semi mello tunes (LSOAD and S) and a few heavier tunes. Any comments? I would have to agree with K I L L M A R Y about Andre Matos. He is one awesome singer. I still like Timo Kotipelto better but that is my opinion. Angra rox, any word on a new disc? **************************************** John Hough email_address_removed email_address_removed http://www.jps.net/jhough Home of the Hard Rock/Heavy Metal Listening Booth. With sound samples from bands like Stratovarius, Gotthard Vanden Plas, Superior, etc. Check it out!!!!!! **************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:43:23 -0000 From: "Charlie Farrell" To: "Ytsejam list" Subject: Emerson & Mellotron Message-ID: >Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:26:58 -0500 (EST) >From: belhai >To: Multiple recipients of list >Subject: Re: Mellotrons > >My uncle has been out of the music loop for several years, but he did >listen to ELP back in his day and he told me recently that Keith Emerson >invented the mellotron. Is he misinformed? No way, Emerson was very dismissive of the mellotron and I recall reading an interview with him (back in '74) when he said that he did not consider the Mellotron a 'proper instrument' and refused to play one. He did however co-operate heavily with Bob Moog in the development of the synthesiser and was the first person to play a polyphonic machine (on Brain Salad Surgury). I must say that I was very disappointed to hear a few months ago, that Bob Moog was now more interested in making theramins than developing synthesisers, which is a real shame. (Note: Bob Moog was in town to open the 'Synthesiser Museum' in the basement of the 'Turnkey Systems' shop on Tottenham Court Road, which may be a place worth visiting by UK jammers or other visitors to London http://www.turnkey.uk.com/). Charlie Work: http://www.servemode.co.uk/ email: charlie@servemode.co.uk URL: http://www.servemode.co.uk/Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:19:38 +0100 From: NGA To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Misanthrope Message-ID: Hi all I've got lots of work to do at the moment and shouldn't really be doing this, but I'm posting a review of an album that is so unusual and so good that I'll take a few minutes of my employers time. If any of you already have this album, let me know what you think. MISANTHROPE - Visionnaire This album by the French group Misanthrope was recommended to me by my friendly CD dealer last week when I dropped by for a couple of beers (good service, eh?) and to listen to some new stuff. I've never heard such a range of musical styles on one album before, yet it sounds and feels like just one new style. The nearest I can come to describing it is progressive black doom metal (bit of an imagination stretcher, I know). The whole album is very tight, even the fast passages, which are sometimes brutally fast. The excellent mix lets you hear all of the instruments clearly. An album full of complex rhythm changes and surprising style changes - you never know how a song is going to develop, with acoustic guitar passages in the middle of double bass explosions and jazz/crossover interludes breaking up prog/metal riffing. Extremely bizarre stuff. You could even be forgiven thinking that the intro to the track '2666' was Dream Theatre until the cookie monster bursts in. This is an album with more layers than a submarine sandwich - don't expect to hear everything straight away. This is one that has to be listened to rather than just heard. I can recommend this to anybody who likes long songs (between 5 and 9 minutes) that are hard, fast, dark, progressive, experimental and captivating. Nice artwork, too. Fully deserving of 9/10. Jerry aus Muenchen: lebst Du noch? Lange nichts mehr von Dir gehoert. Und keine Eier. stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Orange Goblin - Frequencies From Planet Ten ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 12:37:52 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland To: YtseJam Subject: A few things Message-ID: So, Bruce Dickinson and Adrian Smith were both at the LA gig. Why did I miss this? Damn damn damn. Two of my once-favourite musicians together with five of my now-favourite musicians. Damn. When I was drunk on Friday night, I bumped into (literally) another drunken DT fan. As it turns out, he used to know my little sister. Hmm. I've arranged to buy him a pint at the DT show in London on June 23rd. Earlier on Friday night, I went to see Tori Amos live. She was lovely, although I was slightly disappointed that she didn't play Winter, China or Silent All These Years. I thought it would have been really cool if Spock's Beard could have opened. The Tori crowd would dig them. Instead, we got some Irish guys called The Devlins, who were friendly and endearing but musically unimpressive. The latest edition of the I&W fanzine is out, and it's as entertaining as ever. More cool stuff about Mike's drumkit, and news about the Fan Club gig in Rotterdam . . . Is it just British people who think that the past participle of "shit" is "shat"? Whenever I hear an American say "I shit myself", my instinctive response is "Quick, turn round and let me watch!" Graham -- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:12:48 EDT From: Thrak75 To: email_address_removed Subject: more mellotron stuff Message-ID: the most recent use of the mellotron is on tori's new album. she even is credited for using a mellotron FLUTE. that's right. interesting sound, this mellotron flute. but if you listen to "iieee" on "from the choirgirl hotel", you'll get enough mellotron to make your mother happy. i actually got an orgasmic thrill unlike those i get from my 2nd least expensive whore by enlightening the tori amos list with my mellotron sageness. wild koba ************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi new york law school email_address_removed "i bring laughter, i bring music...i will soothe your primal fears." -n. peart ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:45:30 -0400 From: "Jonathan" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3935 Message-ID: <000801bd896d$55c29ce0$6dd6e5cd@keu> ]From: Calvin 6S Subject: DT playing with DP/ELP 5 - DT should reward themselves from the TERRIBLE OPENING slot by quickly recording a new album and be out on the road headlining again no later than November :o) I'm only thinking of the band here :o) Oh, and release a damn Video while they are at it. It took them over what? 2 years to release a new CD and you want them to make a new album? in what? 5 months? LOL!!! Yeah why dont they just make a re-mix Album where Trent Resnor or Puff Daddy Re-mix's their songs lol.. I aggree the biggest problem with DT is that they dont have exposure. And as this is good for the Current Fans. it's not good for the band that wants to be headlineing again. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:22:24 -0400 From: "Ivan Navarro" To: Subject: RE: KJLB and Tori Duet Message-ID: <000201bd896f$f21cf0c0$message_id_removed> Yeah Tori's great, reminds me a lot of Kate Bush. BTW, TURN OFF THE FREAKING MIME ENCODING YOU MORON! Welcome to the Jam :-) ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD88D4.CAF77060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the last episode, Eric S P Barker wrote: > On another note I would like to hear James and Tori Amos doing a duet > together ( like Ozzy / Lita ). That would be very cool IMO. > > Tell me what you think? OR another person instead of Tori? Hell yeah! I'm all for it. Let's see...DT already did a cover of Tori's Winter. That wouldn't be that bad of a duet for them. Any tool fans here? MJK from Tool did a duet with Tori last year to one of her tunes. I don't know how many Tori fans there are here on the jam...anybody favor this idea? I would be smiling for weeks. Oh, and by the way...this is my first post to the list...so hi everyone! Chris ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD88D4.CAF77060 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 08:56:28 -0500 From: Dave Ware To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: London in December and FII Message-ID: Hi, Ville Paukkonen spoke of the December Forum gig in London, this was my first (and only) DT Live experience and I still get a buz thinking about it. If anyone in Jamland has a boot of this gig, I would be interested in getting hold of a copy. I don't trade in boots as I only have one, and to be honest I'm not a real boot fan - but this gig was somewhat special (Nghtmare Cinema and all). While we're talking of gigs (well I am anyway), any chance of DT getting to Alabama in the future? Oh, and Alex Smith wondered about buying FII - what are you waiting for? - this CD is too cool - buy it now, go on - do it! And while you're there get everything else any member of DT may have even looked at just once (especially the live video, and Awake, and I&W and...oh, I'm just raving now - sorry). Cheers, Dave (a UK jammer - now in Alabama). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:10:14 +0200 (METDST) From: Nektarios Vasilios Bamiatzis To: email_address_removed Subject: New DT VOCALIST Message-ID: I think the perfect replacement for James LaBrie is : ......... ( TUSH , please) ................ KEVIN LaBrie ! ;-) He is a perfect replacement in ANY manner and would also would bring back the beautiful name KEVIN into the band. YTSE ON .... ..NEKI. E-MAIL: email_address_removed.de ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:34:11 EDT From: Max Arbot To: email_address_removed Subject: Alex Smith Message-ID: Hey, I suggest buying them all. Of course, I'm a DT fanatic, but how else do you think I got this way? I did the same thing you did, I had a couple, but I went out and bought them all...now I'm hooked. I don't think FII is anything close to sellout. It's DT, but they're older now, so their music is more mature...but it's still DT, that's for damn sure. [eriC] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:54:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Phil Carter To: Liquid Tension Ytse Subject: Angra, s*lling o*t, which DT to get next? Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... KorgX3 blasphemed: > Simply put, the only thing better than Andre Matos is the Tylenol it takes > to get rid of the headache of listening to him shriek. Will someone by that > guy a bottle of Viagra? Hoboy. Okay, Matos takes a little getting used to (isn't that prog cliche #2345538?) but he isn't that bad. :) I do wish he wouldn't slide from note to note sometimes, or hit a note then pop up to a higher pitch briefly before returning to the previous note. I remember thinking much the same thing when I listened to "Angels Cry" (there is a bit more shrieking than singing on that disc) but I really liked the music. "Holy Land" is even better; Matos' voice is even stronger and he apparently doesn't care so much about showing off his range. Andre's voice isn't for everybody, but if you like high tenors that go above and beyond the Geoff Tate school, you'll probably like him just fine. Alex S. remarked: > now now y'all, rush sold out after /signals/ with /grace under pressure/. i > still think /signals/ is classic Rush, but after that they lost their edge. > i will admit sigs was a new direction for the band, but I LOVE it! Again with the "sold out" comments. If a band wants to play a certain style of music, what the fuck is wrong with them playing it that way? Maybe I'm misinterpreting something here. From what I gather, "selling out" seems to mean writing for a specific audience and not listening to the musical voice within you. Yes? In that case, Rush *did not* sell out after "Signals". They wrote and played what was in their heads and hearts. They wrote and played the music they wanted to play. So what if it was more commercially successful? Okay, end of rant. Alex also inquired: > i'm a relative DT beginner: i have aCoS on CD and IaW on tape from a > friend--should I get IaW, Awake, or FII on CD next time I go music > shopping??? give me advice, because I might not be able to shell out 50 > bucks to buy all three as much as i'd like to... is FII worth it or is it > just sell out? Being admittedly biased as a huge DT fan, I would say just get all three. But the choice is actually an easy one -- if you haven't gotten "Awake" yet, then you should pick that one up first, followed by FII, with I&W on CD coming last since you already have it. Ta, Phil ======================================================================= Phil Carter -- email_address_removed (work), email_address_removed (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "I never should have written all those tank programs." -- Kevin Flynn, "Tron" Currently playing: Lemur Voice -- "Insights" ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3936 **************************