YTSEJAM Digest 3935 Today's Topics: 1) Re: The FORUM gig by Ville Paukkonen 2) jimmy l by "Ryan P. Skadberg" 3) DT playing with DP/ELP by Calvin 6S 4) QR Operation Mindcrime by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" 5) Re: Mellotrons by email_address_removed 6) Chris Merlo: Secret Agent Man by "KorgX3" 7) Re: Mellotrons by Andrew Embler 8) Tourbooks gone by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters 9) I'm Here by Richard Warren 10) Set List for ELP show by Andy 11) The description of Mellotron by email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) 12) keith emerson and the mellotron by "earthblind, starbound" 13) Re: KJLB and Tori Duet by jOHN jENS 14) James on Take the Time by Davidjon Sabetai 15) Mellotron by Lobsterback 16) SA show-my own little tidbits by "James C. Shields" 17) AOL LTE chat reminder by Echomanyyz 18) RUSH and DT Album ADVICE by "Alex Smith" 19) OZRIC TENTACLES INTERNET NEWS (NDTC) by email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 01:04:34 +0100 (BST) From: Ville Paukkonen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The FORUM gig Message-ID: On Tue, 26 May 1998 Simon Wilkins wrote: > 2. Has anybody recorded here before?-what is the security like and > where is the best position!? I plan to take a recordable minidisc. I tried to tape the previous DT gig in Forum last December, unfortunately I didn't have a decent microphone back then :( Anyway, I wasn't searched at the door at all (even though I was carrying a rucksack) and toilets were large enough for setting up the equipment comfortably (even the locks work!). I can't say much about the security during the show, except that I wasn't caught ;) BTW, does anyone have a good tape of that show? A few days before the gig somebody said somebody else was going to smuggle a video camera in; I wonder how did that turn out? > 3. Any jammers fancy a beer in the pub down the road before the gig? Of course I do ;) --- ,------------------------. Ville Paukkonen (email_address_removed.ox.ac.uk) | "Ah, Bowakawa Pousse | Undergraduate in Mathematics and Computation | Pousse" (John Lennon) | JCR, Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford OX2 6QA `------------------------' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:07:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" To: email_address_removed Subject: jimmy l Message-ID: he's not leaving, so no more discussion about who would replace him :P On the other hand, if people want to have an intelligent discussion about singers in general (which has somewhat popped up), I'm fine with that. Just don't let it turn in to a flame war. Skadz God Of All Things Ytse :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:15:45 EDT From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: DT playing with DP/ELP Message-ID: Well - it is IMPOSSIBLE for everyone (let alone 2 people) to agree on a 1 hour DT set list, but I think there are some things to consider here. 1 - Absolutely, positively NO EDITS. Don't shorten the song so they can play more DT songs overall. The songs should be played complete. The only difference should be the little extras and embellishments they have added through out the years 2 - Definitely ZERO Cover material. Not even Pink Floyd injected into Peruvian Skies (no matter how cool it sounded, DT needs to represent DT) This also includes Perfect Strangers (unless jammed WITH Deep Purple). While some may view it as a tip of the hat, most DP fans will just think "Shit. They fucked up our fucking band's song." Trust me. Turn the tables. What if Big Wreck played Pull Me Under and through in their own style. Damn, you'd be laughing your ass off. Maybe even disgusted. If they want do to any cover material, they should do 4-8 bars at the very end of their set worked into the closing song (so as to leave the impression on the ELP or DP fans) 3 - Don't tailor to metal or "light side" music. DT is a band of many moods - make sure that gets across. 4 - Take the Time SHOULD be played. Sure it will be hard on KJLB, but the reason the audience sings along during the chorus is because it is a GREAT CHORUS. So why keep a GREAT CHORUS out of the set list? 5 - DT should reward themselves from the TERRIBLE OPENING slot by quickly recording a new album and be out on the road headlining again no later than November :o) I'm only thinking of the band here :o) Oh, and release a damn Video while they are at it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:19:33 -0500 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" To: Subject: QR Operation Mindcrime Message-ID: <01bd8905$2003be80$745299d1@homewks> I agree with Peter, QR is a great band, but I also think that they hit their peak with Mindcrime. Mindcrime is probably one of my top 5 favorite recordings. Also, if you get Mindcrime and like it you might want to look around for the box set of Operation Livecrime. It's a great CD and concert video set. Mike email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:44:25 -0500 (CDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Mellotrons Message-ID: <> Yup. I don't know WHO exactly invented the mellotron, but Keith;s main sound was a Hammond Organ and a MiniMoog synth. In fact, I really can't remember Kieth playing a mellotron ever (if any of you know otherwise, please correct me). All I know is the three main mellotron users were: The Moody Blues, Genesis, and King Crimson. BTW, in case you are wondering, Mellotrons are hardly used anymore as they are out of date (technologically). I know Robert Fripp uses one still, and so does the Genesis tribute band The Musical Box. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:46:12 -0600 From: "KorgX3" To: Subject: Chris Merlo: Secret Agent Man Message-ID: <01bd8908$d8ff5e00$290d84d0@korgx3> > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > Francesco Mescino \|/ ____ \|/ > 312 360-4042 "@'/ ,. \`@" > email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ > or email_address_removed \__U_/ > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> This must be D-Man's secret CIA agent name. I knew that whole gay thing was just a cover for some secret internet drugbust or something. Simply put, the only thing better than Andre Matos is the Tylenol it takes to get rid of the headache of listening to him shriek. Will someone by that guy a bottle of Viagra? --KorgX3 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 98 18:01:59 -0700 From: Andrew Embler To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." Subject: Re: Mellotrons Message-ID: ><listen to ELP back in his day and he told me recently that Keith Emerson >invented the mellotron. Is he misinformed?>> I believe it was the moog that Emerson helped to invent. But I could be misinformed. >BTW, in case you are wondering, Mellotrons are hardly used anymore >as they are out of date (technologically). I know Robert Fripp uses one >still, and so does the Genesis tribute band The Musical Box. The mellotron machine itself may be out of date, but the sound, as reproduced by synthesizers, is very prominent still, being used by bands such as Spock's Beard, The Flower Kings, etc... I'm not sure if it's an actual mellotron being used or a synth emulating its sound. If you go to you can see some of the recordings featuring the mellotron. I was quite surprised with some of them. :) (Alice Cooper? Aerosmith? Smashing Pumpkins?) Andrew +-------------------------------------------------------+ |Andrew Embler : .<>. email_address_removed .<>.| |W e b s i t e : http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler/ | +-------------------------------------------------------+ Without deviation from the norm, 'progress' is not possible. -FZ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:30:08 -0500 From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters To: We have assumed control Subject: Tourbooks gone Message-ID: Wow, what a response! Maybe next time I'll pick up more -- if they come back to TX in the next, say 4 YEARS! ;) -Nicole/Kirby -- Nicole Stachowicz McWatters : Kirby on irc.dreamt.org Technical Writer and Dream Theater Nut! email_address_removed -- http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:41:17 -0500 From: Richard Warren To: email_address_removed Subject: I'm Here Message-ID: >thanks for the help on the steve vai workout. now if only mr. warren would >appear... I sent a private e-mail. I do not know if you received it or not so I am responding to your second ytsejam post. later, Richard email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:42:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Set List for ELP show Message-ID: With many choices, what seems to be most likly is a set that will get people (sort of a last ditch effort) out to the stores to buy the cd. Granten Dream Theater will be on EastWest for at least one more album, but sales of Falling into Infinity didn't do all the label would have hoped. So here's my thought---- ACOS 1 & 2 BMS JLMB Mirror/Lie Lines in the Sand Metropolis/LTL/ACOS 7 *or* Pull Me Under You have to think they still will focus on the new album. I would be nice though to see something like New Mellinum (I can't see that stick enough), it kind of sucked that they didn't play that at the Philly show a couple of weeks ago. But I guess I saw it twice already, so I shouldn't complain. Trial of Tears would be great to see again too, but I think they are saving that and Voices for a Dream Theater crowd, more intense songs. later...andy Andrew Miller Resigning himself to the unknown email_address_removed he drifts off into sleep. He wakes in a cold sweat with a strong urge to vomit. -question...Who is HE? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:57:03 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: email_address_removed Subject: The description of Mellotron Message-ID: belhai wrote: >My uncle has been out of the music loop for several years, but he did >listen to ELP back in his day and he told me recently that Keith Emerson >invented the mellotron. Is he misinformed? Not really. The original bands who used the mellotron are the Beatles, the Moody Blues, King Crimson and Univers Zero. Description: magnatic tape playback instrument, based on instruments by american Harry Chamberlin, designed and built by three British brothers, Leslie, frank and Norman Bradley. Mark I (1963-1964) made only 10 machines Mark II (1964-1967) made 650 machines Model 300 (1968-1970) made 160 machines Mellotron/Novatron Model 400 (1970-1980) made 1,850 machines Novatron Mark V (1976-1981) only 9 machines Mellotron U.S.A Ltd. 4 track (1980-1983) only 4 machines Novatron Model T.550 (1976-1978) only 7 machines All the manufacturer are out of business now. The prices are from $1,500-5,000. The tapes are from $25-$500. If anyone is interested ot know more, you can find the info from the book called "Vintage Synthesizers" by Mark Vail. Mark Vail also has another book out on the Hammond organ. Or if anyone wants just the info of Mellotron, I can photocopy the mellotron section and send it to you via the snail mail. It is pretty long to type in the jam. The Mellotron that Spock's Beard used at the Progfest'97 is Model 400 owned by Greg Walker (Syn-Phonic). King Crimson used Mark II and Model 400. I heard that there is a cd sample of mellotron plays back samples out in the market now. If you care try to find it. Regards, AE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 21:52:36 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" To: email_address_removed Subject: keith emerson and the mellotron Message-ID: Not only did Emerson not invent the mellotron, he would not even play one. "It's going to be either me or everyone else I kill, so pray for my quick suicide." - email_address_removed This is who I am. -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:12:52 -0500 (CDT) From: jOHN jENS To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: KJLB and Tori Duet Message-ID: On Tue, 26 May 1998, Chris Willenbrock wrote: | | Hell yeah! I'm all for it. Let's see...DT already did a cover of Tori's | Winter. That wouldn't be that bad of a duet for them. it'd be interesting... | Any tool fans here? MJK from Tool did a duet with Tori last year to one of | her tunes. I don't know how many Tori fans there are here on the an mp3 of this duet is available at http://www2.webzone.net/~jjens/sounds | Oh, and by the way...this is my first post to the list...so hi everyone! this is my first post in...hmm...quite some time. and chris, cut that base64 shit out :) -- jOHN jENS + email_address_removed + www2.webzone.net/~jjens ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 03:24:35 +0000 From: Davidjon Sabetai To: email_address_removed Subject: James on Take the Time Message-ID: <19980527032435.NLLH9309@LOCALNAME> What makes a buch of you think could Labrie could not pull of Take the Time? I think he could do it consistantly for the month-long stint opening up for Deep Purple. Reason number one- he's done it in the past on the Images and Words tour, and he has improved on singing live since then. Reason number two- his voice won't be as tired night in and night out. DT will be playing one hour MAXIMUM! More like 45 minutes. Labrie's voice has held up since October (when the FII tour began) doing two-hour plus shows. I'm willing to bet his voice will be perfect, as it has everytime I've seen him sing two-hour plus sets, on DT's 45-minute sets. Isaac "Little green men about four foot Maybe they wanna' kick some butt. MO FO" - Steve Vai ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:07:35 -0400 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: Mellotron Message-ID: >My uncle has been out of the music loop for several years, but he did >listen to ELP back in his day and he told me recently that Keith Emerson >invented the mellotron. Is he misinformed? Most assuredly. Everybody knows *I* invented the mellotron. Sheesh. Next thing you know, somebody else'll be taking credit for my internal combustion engine... Brian "Where's The Beef?" Henderson =========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 23:02:30 -0500 From: "James C. Shields" To: email_address_removed Subject: SA show-my own little tidbits Message-ID: Here's some of my own little experiences that made this show extra cool: first off, I'VE PLAYED ON THE SAME STAGE AS DT!!! (even if it wasn't at the same time) my band, room 213 (no relation to Dahmer or the Shining), played at the bluebonnet a few months ago. I got DS, MP, and JP to sign my Hollow Years single. my friends and I were really close to the front of the line, so we were able to get in the front row (my stomach is bruised from the railing) as for the newest Fox reality show, When Portnoy Attacks!, my friend got a big glob of salad dressing right in her hair During BMS, MP pointed right at me during the chorus when I did the "Burning My Soul!" talk box part. that was damn cool. I'm reeeeaaaaal pissed at this one asshole, though. I talked to mike before the show, because I wanted him to do the drum duet with my other friend Ty who is a badass drummer (he could be as good as portnoy in a few years), and he told us where to stand, and he would look out for my friend. Ty was right in front of the riser, and when MP brought out the tom and sticks, he looked right at Ty and was handing the sticks to him (THANKS FOR TRYING, MIKE :-), and this tall asshole reached way over and wrestled the sticks out of everyones hands (that's when Mike made the comment about seven year olds). this guy also grabbed the mic three times when JLB passed it over the audience, and he crushed us in the front row when we were already tightly packed. other than that guy, the show was absolutly amazing. I really dug Full on the Mouth. the guitarist had a thick, ballzy tone that made it all good. OFB was incredible! i nearly died when they went into LTL (my all time fav. DT song) and JP was about two feet away from me during Flight of the Bumble Bee, and that was one of the most amazing things I have ever seen. Nightmare Cinema was so damn cool. I can't think of a concert that i've laughed so much at: flying Deli tray, Calvin Klein boys, derek dropping the guitar in nightmare cinema, and dropping drumsticks during lie, James dragging Petrucci off stage, etc. this was, without a doubt, one of the best concerts I have ever been to (even better than Rush and Floyd). Oh, one more thing, I'M NO LONGER IN ENGINEERING!!!! YEEEEEHAAAAAA! I'M A LIBERAL ARTS MAJOR! I CAN TAKE CLASSES I WANT, LIKE MUSIC 603A, I DON'T HAVE TO OBEY NAZI-ESQUE ENGINEERING RULES LIKE 15 HOURS PER SEMESTER MINIMUM!! MY GPA WILL BE ABLE TO RISE ABOVE A 2.5! I WILL BE ABLE TO TO THINGS BESIDES STUDY MY ASS OFF AND STILL GET BAD GRADES! YIPPIE! James C. Shields No longer a Computer Engineering Major Undergraduate University of Texas at Austin =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Spread before you is your soul So forever hold the dreams within our hearts Through Nature's inflexible grace I'm Learning to Live "Learning to Live" Dream Theater =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 00:26:42 EDT From: Echomanyyz To: email_address_removed Subject: AOL LTE chat reminder Message-ID: To all you AOL loosers on the 'jam (including me): This a just a reminder about the LTE chat at keyword: Nightclub Date/Time: Thursday, May 28 at 10-12 PM Eastern time (7-9 Pacific) Where: In a special room at Keyword: Nightclub Who will be there: MP, JP, Tony Levin, and possibly Jordan Rudess. The chat will be in Q/A format. More info on that at Keyword: Nightclub Hope to see you all there! I will be taking notes, and I will report back to the 'jam. -Ian The next Zac Hanson ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:10:57 -0700 From: "Alex Smith" To: Subject: RUSH and DT Album ADVICE Message-ID: <01bd892d$d4c8b960$message_id_removed> now now y'all, rush sold out after /signals/ with /grace under pressure/. i still think /signals/ is classic Rush, but after that they lost their edge. i will admit sigs was a new direction for the band, but I LOVE it! ok i'll get back on topic here: i'm a relative DT beginner: i have aCoS on CD and IaW on tape from a friend--should I get IaW, Awake, or FII on CD next time I go music shopping??? give me advice, because I might not be able to shell out 50 bucks to buy all three as much as i'd like to... is FII worth it or is it just sell out? Alex Smith email_address_removed http://www.azstarnet.com/~bacchus/rush/ "Though his mind is not for rent Don't put him down as arrogant His reserve a quiet defense Riding out the day's events." -Rush ----------------------------------------------- "It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile Be yourself--no matter what they say." -Sting ----------------------------------------------- "Out for my own, out to be free One with my mind, they just can't see No need to hear things that they say Life is for my own to live my own way See them try to bring the hammer down No damn chains can hold me to the ground. -Metallica ----------------------------------------------- "Verbing weirds language." -Calvin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:38:10 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: email_address_removed Subject: OZRIC TENTACLES INTERNET NEWS (NDTC) Message-ID: OZRIC TENTACLES INTERNET NEWS The OZRIC TENTACLES will be doing a live concert from California on the Internet on Sunday, June 7th at 1:00 P.M. (U.S. Pacific time). The Netcast will be repeated at 8:00 P.M. (U.S. Pacific time). http://www.muzic.com Have fun, AE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3935 **************************