YTSEJAM Digest 3930 Today's Topics: 1) Re: DP/ELP Setlist by email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) 2) -- Houston Ytsenight 3 -- by "Colonel Mustard" 3) DT/DP setlist by Joe DeAngelo 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3928 by "Richard A. Rivera" 5) Heavy ELP and the Boyz by Lobsterback 6) ALRIGHT!!! by "Scott Sturdivant" 7) DTC, Iron Maiden tribute, 10 hour workout by Big Swifty 8) Re: wtf?? by "earthblind, starbound" 9) Hey Chris P and Maddy! by "Scott/Curt Hansen" 10) Re: and something else ... by Peter Andersson 11) Re: Queensryche's Peration: Mindcrime by Peter Andersson 12) Re: setlist as openers by "Paul W. Cashman" 13) Re: DT FT Worth Show (spoilers at the end) by Alan Estrada 14) Re: DT concert at LiveConcerts.com NOW by Alan Estrada 15) Jenny, James, Mellotron by The Working Man ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 21:32:01 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DP/ELP Setlist Message-ID: "earthblind, starbound" wrote: >Brand X isn't playing with DT, are they? Now that would be a concert to >die >for. That would never happen. If we are lucky enough we would have a change to see Brand X play at the Progfest'98 in SF. But no Phil Collins in the band though. Regards, AE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:24:41 -0500 From: "Colonel Mustard" To: "Justin Campbell" , "Kyle" , Subject: -- Houston Ytsenight 3 -- Message-ID: <01bd885e$342fe7a0$message_id_removed> Ahoy, Concerning the possible date of the 3rd Houston Ytsenight, how does June 19th sound (Friday)? The rally point of choice is currently the Hard Rock Cafe. There's still a month left until this current date, so if things need changing they can be taken care of ahead of time. That's all for now... email me if you think you'll be coming - hope to see you there - - Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:50:53 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo To: YTSEJAM Subject: DT/DP setlist Message-ID: > Anyway, this is what I've come up with so far for a set list: > ACOS 1 & 2 > JLMB > Peruvian Skies > LITS > PMU > Metropolis > LTL > ACOS 7 > > I know it's not perfect because I've ignored Awake entirely. I think Lie > would fit nicely, but at what expense? I also like BMS and maybe HK before > LITS. Damn, there just isn't enough time! :-) I like this setlist quite a bit. As to your concern about no Awake tunes....... How about taking out JLMB and putting LSOaD or Lie in? That would be great! - Joe D. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 01:02:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3928 Message-ID: On Mon, 25 May 1998 email_address_removed wrote: > My idea would be to have them just be themselves. There's no reason for lie > to these guys and trick them into buying albums by playing the most > mainstream stuff, because most of DT's stuff isn't mainstream. I don't consider it trickery. I consider it a question of compatability. Remember, an opening band is not playing in front of it's own crowd (that's part of the definition). The whole purpose of opening up for another band is to expose new people to your music. So you have to ask yourself the following questions: 1) Why are fans coming to see the headliner? Answer: They like the kind of music the headliner produces 2) What do we, as an opening band, have in our arsenal that is similar to the type of music the headliner produces? If you're a brand new band with only one album out, then you really don't have that much of a choice. But DT is in the fortunate position to not only have several albums of material to chose from, but several different styles or "moods" to chose from as well. If DT were opening up for Megadeth, it would be absurd for them to play a set of WFS, AD, LSOAD, TAMP, AL, and HY. You need to play to the crowd. "Being yourself," as you put it, is fine in your own setting. But as an opening band, your job is to effectively sell yourself to a sometimes inhospitable crowd. That way your record sales increase, you get yourself that much closer to being out of debt with the record company, and you just might find yourself playing bigger venues on your own. Richie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 01:10:23 -0400 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: Heavy ELP and the Boyz Message-ID: >>but ELP are generally a lot softer. > >OK...either ELP has changed exponentially since the 70s or you're smoking crack or >both. :) ELP, though _definitely_ not guitar-heavy, rocks like a mofo with >keyboards, and unless they've seriously changed their repertory (and from what I've >heard, they haven't) or their keyboard sounds (Rick Wakeman on KTA 2, anyone?), they >still should rock nads. That's just my opinion. Two things: (1) ELP has the distinction of being the band with the heaviest bass-end I've ever seen. I've seen plenty of these so-called "heavy" bands (Metallica, Megadeth, etc.) and none of 'em even came close to the stomach-churning bass tones produced by Keith Emerson's keyboards. I could feel the pretzel I had just eaten bouncing around inside me it was that intense. Not a 'soft' band in concert by any means. (2) ELP has an unfortunate tendency to not variate their setlist at all, doing pretty much a 'greatest hits' sort of set. This sucks, as they've a substantial number of good songs (aside from those on "In The Hot Seat"...) they never play. However, they're supposedly working on their new album this summer, last I heard, and may actually be putting some new songs into the mix. This be a good thing in my mind, the new album supposed to be in the vein of "Tarkus" (i.e. they've given up on the commercialized crap (if you've heard ITHS, you know what I'm talking about)). Brian "Karn Evil #1" Henderson The Next Brian Henderson =========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 01:13:02 -0400 From: "Scott Sturdivant" To: Cc: Subject: ALRIGHT!!! Message-ID: <000601bd8865$1f25fe60$message_id_removed> ACK...no...please say it ain't so.. Oh wait...jenny...jenny...thats a...holy cow, thats a FEMALE!!!!! You are forgiven. Yet another chick jammer! LIFE IS GOOD!!!! Btw, FII is a good album...but I&W is phenomenal.and Awake just blows em all away... One word. Scarred. Thank you. goodnight. Scott Sturdivant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:14:26 -0500 From: Big Swifty To: email_address_removed Subject: DTC, Iron Maiden tribute, 10 hour workout Message-ID: Hello, all. Wish I could've been in San Antonio, but the spring quarter is winding down here at Auburn and a 20+ hour round trip just wasn't an option.... The setlist as an opening act: New Millenium Burning My Soul 6:00 Take The Time Hollow Years Just Let Me Breathe Pull Me Under I just bought the Iron Maiden tribute album at Wal-Mart, of all places, for $12. Some of the stuff is incredible! Opeth ("Remember Tomorrow"), Angel Corpse ("Genghis Khan"), and Steel Prophet ("Ides of March/ Purgatory") are the highlights of this disc to me. I think that I could have captured better sound quality on my 8-track than some of the tracks on here, but that's to be expected, I suppose. It's called "A Call To Irons" and is on Dwell Records (?), in case anyone cares. If anyone is interested, I will put .mp3s of a song or two on my site. Koba: I'll put the 10-hour workout on my site in the next few days. It'll just be scans of the pages from when it originally ran in Guitar World way back when. If any of you own Sony Playstations, don't buy "Gran Turismo" unless you've got plenty of time to spend playing it. I think that videogame enthusiasts on this list would agree with me when I say that this is the best driving game available anywhere. Take care, Mark Peters email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 01:18:41 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: wtf?? Message-ID: >BAHAHAHAHAH!!!! I don't think any of us anticipated this! This is cool >though. I'm glad to see DT is reaching out to a broader fanbase and now we >can have the Rush style debates as to what is better, Pre Moving Pictures or >Signals and beyond, only with DT! Hmm. Who was it who predicted this a few months back? I think it was me but that could just be my sketchy memory. But it does seem that FII may be equivalent to Signals (insert favorite 90125/And then there were 3 - type album). "It's going to be either me or everyone else I kill, so pray for my quick suicide." - email_address_removed This is who I am. -O- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 00:35:35 -0500 From: "Scott/Curt Hansen" To: Subject: Hey Chris P and Maddy! Message-ID: Sorry everyone for the waste of bandwidth! Maddy and or Chris Ptacek, please email me ASAP (preferably with a mailing address!!!) Thanx! Scott Hansen email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:09:29 +0200 From: Peter Andersson To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: and something else ... Message-ID: >- I vote ANDRE MATOS from ANGRA, he's REALLY GREAT!!!!!!!... but i want to >listen to James in DT for the next fifty years, could it be possible???? >:-) . Alistair, you're wrong... Sebastian Bach is not the best, he's just >another pretty-face with a common voice, he's not superior, IMO. Andre >Matos is the BEST vocalist in the entire world... you must hear him, he's >an instrument of feelings with his voice. Anyone agree???? First, James LaBrie is the perfect DT singer! Comments on Andre Matos, Angra: What's great about Matos Voice? I have only heard Holy Land of Angra. Even if the album is good I find Matos a pretty poor singer. Sometimes good, sometimes boring, sometimes realy poor, but never excellent. In Make Believe (from Holy Land) during the end minute or so, he even sings false. Not just a little, but much! Regards /Peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:13:36 +0200 From: Peter Andersson To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Queensryche's Peration: Mindcrime Message-ID: >I haven't heard QR,so I won't say anything about them.I've been thinking >of getting Operation:Mindcrime.Is it any good? It is! It's one of the greatest albums ever. I've been listening to Queensryche since they released their first ep. They are still a good band, but in my oppinion they peaked a few years ago. Operation: Mindcrime is, and will be, their best ever! Regards /Peter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 23:43:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Paul W. Cashman" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: setlist as openers Message-ID: Some great responses on this topic; this is the kind of thoughtful commentary that makes the Ytsejam worth subscribing to (even if I can't always read digests THAT day. :)) I'm not as certain as some of you that "TTT" couldn't be pulled off -- I think James is enough of a frontman that he can tell if the front of an audience is "with them" or not. I suspect most or all of these shows will be reserved-seating, so the likelihood of Ytsejammers ruling the front rows is somewhat remote (but wouldn't it be cool if......:)) --So having the crowd sing along might be too much to ask. Doesn't mean they couldn't do it, though, even if (horrors) James has to sing the chorus. Stranger things have happened. Celery could start flying through the air over the stage. Derek might catch a drumstick and replace Mike Piazza for the Mets. :) I liked the rest of the setlist Richie (Rivera?) posted, particularly starting with "NM." I liked that as an opener more than "LitS" on the last tours, and besides, we can showcase John Myung and the Stick, and make the progheads in the audience say "oooh, ahhhhhhh." Someone asked if "avoiding long quiet parts" meant nixing "NM." I shouldn't think so...... Overstressing James' voice.... Sure, "Met. I" might be pushing it, but it's such a great showcase track for the whole band I'd hate to leave it out. They -could- swap it with "LtL" in a pinch since the lengths are sorta similar. I didn't include the possibility of bands jamming together just because if they do, the whole face of the show is changed. If members of DP or ELP or both came out and jammed with DT, that'd get them a lot of audience respect. :) +-------+ Last performance of Nightmare Cinema? Ouch! I didn't realize only two North American shows (until now) had gotten to see NC, and I consider myself lucky to have seen the Chicago show, airfare and shaky subway rides and all. Sounds like those Texas shows were really neet, and delightfully unpredictable. :) +-------+ Atl./GA area folks, I'd have given you a bit of warning about the Blue Oyster Cult show last week if I'd had any warning at all about it m'self....but I got a call at 4pm, the show was at 8pm, and the rest of the day was a whirlwind. Side note: considering the complete and total lack of advance notice or advertising (the show was part of a festival/carnival, inasmuch as no club in town wants to pay BOC's high guarantee), they were quite good. DTC: Eric Bloom of BOC is now a DT fan; he's a good friend and I think it's because his son is into DT. :) -- Sometimes a view from sinless eyes / Centers our perspective Paul W. Cashman And pacifies our cries / Sometimes the anguish we survive email_address_removed And the mysteries we nurture / Are the fabrics of our lives ICQ# 4151223 "Lines in the Sand," Dream Theater - FALLING INTO INFINITY www.crl.com/~vanyel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 03:02:32 -0500 From: Alan Estrada To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT FT Worth Show (spoilers at the end) Message-ID: I would like to thank Chad for being so cool, thanks a lot Chad, hope you liked the video. Thanks to all the jammers at the FT Worth show for being so kind, I know my english isnt very good and my pronunciation sucks hard but it was pretty cool to meet you all out there, I had a hell of fun on the show and before it started. Thanks to Nicole for letting me sign the Texas banner (sorry for signing so big, and sorry cause I didnt come with anything better than DT Rules) (= After 12 hours on the bus we were very tired but we didnt care we arrived at the venue at 2 PM, we went to billy miners and we didnt see anybody, then we realized that we didnt know how the other jammers looked like so we sat down for a while...then we went out and found lots of people with DT, rush and queesnryche shirts, Chad had out tickets and he told us that he was going to be wearing a green ytsejam sweatshirt but Mauricio was a litle worried we didnt have the tickets yet and I was getting worried too, by 4 PM mauricio was asking everyone with a DT shirt if his name was Chad, then we met Nicole, Ken, Scott (did I get the name right?) and the other guy (sorry I didnt get your name) I had a backpack and I truly recommend not to carry a backpack to a concert ever, it's pretty unconfortable, I had to hide my camera on my jeans but I was unable to take pictures until the end of the show cause I was afraid the security guy would take away my camera, it was a disposable camera so I dont know how good will the pictures be. at the end of the show we waited outside for the guys, Myung came out quickly and didnt sign almost anything, derek was like 2 minutes out, then we waited until 2 30 AM and we saw the tour bus go out, portnoy was weaving on the window, he saw that we wanted to say hello so he asked the driver to pull off, labrie and portnoy came out of the bus and signed our stuff and talked a little, Portnoy asked who was on the mailing list and he asked us to say hello to the jam, I think that means that he wont be reading the list for a while, I got a picture with portnoy and one with labrie, it was real nice that they came down the bus. it was my first time on Fort Worth (I finally learned how to spell it, I used to write Forth...) and I liked it a lot, at first we thought it was a ghost town since it was real quite. The Caravan of Dreams was a nice venue, the stage is the most little stage I ever seen (it was my first live DT concert but Ive seen a couple of boots) Mauricio was looking for Ryan Whitaker since he wanted to pay him the new boots. we didnt see him. I wanted to get a picture with all the jammers out there, but Im not sure why I didnt ask. I guess I thought nobody would be interested at all, anyway Im sorry now. i wish I asked... ***Spoilers*** ***Spoilers*** The show was pretty cool, they opened with Change of seasons (I think Chad has a complete setlists of the show) I really liked the setliest and only really missed Take The Time Some of the songs they played JLMB, UAGM, HY, ATFT, PMU, (this is not in order) from Awake I only remember Voices and from When Dream and They unite Ytsejam....they played metropolis/learning to live/change of seasons and a little of the killing hand as the medley on the encore...there was a part where a guy was screaming xanadu, xanadu and portnoy played a little of it, they played a little bit of led zep's good times (I think it was before the ytsejam, Im not sure though), on peruvian skies they did the have a cigar/enter sandman thing, petrucci added somewhere the thirs encounters melody, I didnt recognize what he played as a solo (I know he played the first track from LTE and the bumble bee but there was a part that he wanted us to recognize, the end sounded familiar though) I got petrucci's pick (thanks nicole). the three of us (Mauricio, Elena and Me) had a great time during the show, even when some people tried to surf on the crowd, and some people were pushing a lot (it's a real problem being a short guy) the opening band Full on the mouth was pretty good IMO, nothing similar to DT but I liked it, I got their CD at the end of the show... ***No More Spoilers*** ***No More Spoilers*** ***No More Spoilers*** Highlights: Metting Mr Portnoy and Labrie, Being in my first DT show, getting the pick, meeting all the jammers. Shit that happened: there were some problems with out hotel reservations, we were supposed to stay at Days Inn but we ended in central park....the 12 hour ride on the bus, coming back was worse...a pigeon (i think t was a big one) took a shit on my saturday morning before arriving to the hotel (mauricio told me it sounded as if someone dropped water into the floor, guess how big it was)...not meeting Petrucci, god of guitar. anyway it was all worth it (not that I like getting shit on my sweatshirt but I dont see a DT concert everyday)... Also, I would like to ask....ATENTION....ATENTION.... IF SOMEONE LOST SOMETHING AT THE VENUE WHILE WAITING FOR THE GUYS TO COME OUT LET ME KNOW, I FOUND SOMETHING BUT I NEED YOU TO TELL ME WHAT DID YOU LOST, I WILL SEND IT ON MAIL AS SOON AS I GET A REPLY, I JUST WANTED TO TELL THE PEOPLE WHO LOST IT THAT IT IS SAFE, I PICKED IT UP BECAUSE I THOUGH IT WAS MAURICIO'S BUT WE FOUND THAT IT WASNT AT THE HOTEL, SO PLEASE LET ME KNOW. Take Care all --- Alan Estrada Adler ICQ #9267174 Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/collegepark/2025 Shredder's Lair: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/7842/ "You've got your whole life to write your first album, and six months to do the next one." Monterrey, Mexico email_address_removed.mx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 03:30:15 -0500 From: Alan Estrada To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT concert at LiveConcerts.com NOW Message-ID: I forgot to write on my last mail about Ft worth that it was very cool to hear Raise the Knife with lyrics, they didnt play it live but after the opening act and before rooster (before the band came out) they played cover my eyes, raise the knife (with lyrics), the way it used to be, talk to me and other song which I didnt recognize...at the end of the show they played the DT sinatra Under a Glass Moon, pretty cool!!!! --- Alan Estrada Adler ICQ #9267174 Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/collegepark/2025 Shredder's Lair: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Theater/7842/ "You've got your whole life to write your first album, and six months to do the next one." Monterrey, Mexico email_address_removed.mx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:55:52 +0100 From: The Working Man To: "'Multiple recipients of list'" Subject: Jenny, James, Mellotron Message-ID: <98May26.110107gmt+message_id_removed.se> A gal named Jenny wrote: I'm one of them new Falling Into Infinity fans who totally, completely = fell in love with DT without listening to any of their other albums. I signed = onto this mailing list a couple weeks ago, and at that time, everyone was = talking about DT selling out. Well, today, I went out and got Images and Words......and what the hell? I'm sorry to say this to all the = long-time DT fans, but I personally think that DT is better now than they were back = in '92. All that moaning about DT selling out is the most ridiculous thing I've = ever heard, unless "selling out" actually means growing as musicians. I'm = not saying that I didn't like I&M; but the fact is, they're jamming a lot = harder now. "Selling out" is a term that you could interprete in a lot of ways. = "Selling out" for DT seems (to most of the jammers) to be writing = commercial-style songs. And that is so wrong. Because DT has not written = and recorded any fully commercial song yet. Not one. If they start doing = that, and fill half an album with them, then you could say, I suppose, = that they're "selling out". But just because a song is soft, emotional = and 4/4, doesn't mean that they're selling out. Of course, musicians do with time always improve - shame to those who = don't! They ARE better musicians, they are FAR more experienced now than = 6 years ago. I mean, they HAVE to be! Sort of. K FII is utterly stunning. (8-D I bought it the previous weekend, and how = I love it! "Lines in the Sand" rules! It's the best DT song so far! (It = would have done better without Doug Pinnick's "oh yeah yeah"'s though.) The only song I don't like on FII is YNM. And the stupid thread on who would replace KJLB: James is THE DT-singer. Period. Simply unreplacable. And he's not = leaving. And, I guess someone already said this... WTF is a mellotron? Or rather: = how does it sound? Is it the sound DS uses in the beginning of LITS? Jenny also wrote: Sorry if this subject's a bit out-dated. Oh, everything i write is "out-dated" Guess we make good company, then! = ;-) Famous song quotation: "Yeeeeheeeaah-yeah, yeeeeheeeaah-yeeeeeeeaaah, yeeeeheeeaah-yeah, yeeeeheeeaah-yeeeeeeeaaah!!" --- Chorus from "Lithium" by Kurt Cobain (says it all, doesn't it?) Why did I write any of this? Everybody hates me anyway... :-( -------------------------------- //tHe WoRkInG mAn aka Per Pettersson Favourite song: "Lines in the Sand" - Dream Theater Favourite album: "The Wall" - Pink Floyd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | It seems to me | | I could live my life | | A lot better than I think I am. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3930 **************************