YTSEJAM Digest 3928 Today's Topics: 1) Re: DP/ELP Setlist by "KorgX3" 2) OH MY GOD!!! (Explorers Club) by Mark Bredius 3) This thread SUCKS! by A P Longley 4) Queensryche's O:M; setlists by Phil Carter 5) Re: New topic: setlist as openers by Craig Griffith 6) Re: A new DT singer?!!!!! and something else... by "Nicolas M. Rincon" 7) re: setlist as openers by Pat Sullivan 8) Mistakes, Errors, and General Gripes by Max Arbot 9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3927 by Matt Smith 10) San Antonio show mini-review (no spoilers) by "Ryan Whitaker" 11) San Antonio Show -- Spoilers ;-) by Nicole Stachowicz McWatters ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:15:14 -0600 From: "KorgX3" To: Subject: Re: DP/ELP Setlist Message-ID: <01bd8800$aea0e740$240d84d0@korgx3> >PS - Smart money says that they wont cover Perfect Strangers ..... ;) Wise money says they'll come out and do a huge dual band cover of Perfect Strangers with Deep Purple. I dunno. Whenever I see the headline band come out and jam with the opening band, it kinduv makes a whole communion thing form. The fans can kind of relate better to the opening band that way. Of course the downside of that are the idiots who would start thinking DT couldn't play the song themselves or something. :P My idea would be to have them just be themselves. There's no reason for lie to these guys and trick them into buying albums by playing the most mainstream stuff, because most of DT's stuff isn't mainstream. The biggest thing to watch out for are those long songs. To me, DT's epic 12 minute songs are the crem de la crem (however that's spelled), but most people I try to convert to DT always have a problem with the long songs. The length intimidates them real bad, but if you don't tell them how long the song is (I know how we like to brag, "This song is 23 minutes long! WooHoo!"). they never seem to notice. They will, though at a concert when they want to see Brand X band come out, though. Just my 200 Yen. -KorgX3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 19:13:59 +0200 From: Mark Bredius To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: OH MY GOD!!! (Explorers Club) Message-ID: Just got a promo of Explorers Club's "Age Of Impact" in the mail... After listening to it for the first time, I can only come to one conclusion... IT FUCKING RULES !!! You can already read Magna Carta's "Explorer Club" biography on "Under A Cyber Moon", but here's a list of the "progressive rock royalty" they assembled for this project : Rhythm section: Terry Bozzio: Drums Billy Sheehan: Bass Trent Gardner: Keyboards Wayne Gardner: Electric and Acoustic Guitars, Additional Bass Brad Kaiser: Additional Midi Percussion Lead Vocalists: James LaBrie, D.C. Cooper, Trent Gardner, Bret Douglas, Matt Bradley Soloists: John Petrucci: Guitars Steve Howe: Acoustic Guitar Derek Sherinian: Keyboards Trent Gardner: Keyboard and Trombone James Murphy: Guitars Michael Bemesderfer: Flute and Wind Controller Frederick Clarke: Nylon String Guitar Matt Guillory: Keyboards The album is scheduled for release on June 23, 1998. DO NOT MISS IT !!! Mark Bredius ____________________________________________________________ Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: email_address_removed * http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: 05-25-1998 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 18:22:23 +0000 From: A P Longley To: email_address_removed Subject: This thread SUCKS! Message-ID: I have to agree with Mike Bahr (gulp!) but this " Who would you replace James La Brie with" thread SUCKS! Any of you that have seen DT live this year will testify that he IS DT now in the same way that Mike P and John P are. Would we insult Portnoy this way by devoting 90% of the last hundred jams to who we would have replace him if Mike left? No, - not because we couldn't come up with a few suggestions, but because we wouldn't consider it DT without MP. Well, I happen to think James has earned the same respect. His style defines Dream Theater as much as any other member, and it's time we stopped treating him as disposable and suggesting that DT don't need him. James's voice is what has brought DT to where they are now, I know the creativity starts with the others, but without James the effect would just not be the same for me, or for so many others. After the DP/ELP shows later this year and the Van Halen shows in June, you know what people who've never heard DT will go away saying after the gig? "FUCK ME, that guy has an amazing voice!" - Trust me. Later, Adrian. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:04:53 -0400 From: Phil Carter To: A Pleasant Shade of Ytse Subject: Queensryche's O:M; setlists Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... >I haven't heard QR,so I won't say anything about them.I've been thinking >of getting Operation:Mindcrime.Is it any good? The short answer: Yes. The long answer: Operation: Mindcrime is one of the best albums ever. Period. By a "progressive" band or anyone else. >Timo Tolkki from Stratovarius listed O:M in his top ten albums in a >Finnish music magazine,so I guess it is...Comments? Queensryche is one of those rare bands that I was hooked on *instantly*. I was flipping channels and happened on the video for "Eyes of a Stranger" from O:M and just sat there, stunned, listening to the music swirling from the TV and Tate's haunting voice. I waited till the video finished so I could find out who this band was, picked up my keys, and went straight to the local Turtle's to pick it up. It is an amazing album. Great concept, melodic twin-guitar attack, and one of the strongest voices I've ever heard in Geoff Tate. Well worth picking up. DT content: I don't have the patience to work out a proper setlist, but I think that it should include the following: Pull Me Under Metropolis Pt. 1 New Millennium The Mirror/Lie Hollow Years Just Let Me Breathe Under a Glass Moon Some of the recognizable tunes, some of the more "accessible" tunes, some of the hard stuff, some of the soft stuff, some of the short stuff, some of the longer stuff -- what more can you want? I would also love to see them do Scarred, 6:00, Erotomania, Lines in the Sand, Trial of Tears, Wait for Sleep/Learning to Live, and ACoS, but hey, that's just me. :) Ta, Phil ========================================================= Phil Carter -- email_address_removed http://www.negia.net/~carter "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired, gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals Currently playing: Joe Satriani -- "Crystal Planet" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:33:08 -0400 From: Craig Griffith To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Re: New topic: setlist as openers Message-ID: Paul W. Cashman wrote: > -- They'll be opening before an audience that will likely be older > and a bit less "metal" than us freeks at a regular headlining show. > This is a pretty tough call: DP rocks pretty hard, but ELP are > generally a lot softer. It'll be a mixed bag, but I'd be more > inclined toward softer songs, with a few well-spaced wake-up calls. > :) (But see below regarding heckling.....) OK...either ELP has changed exponentially since the 70s or you're smoking crack or both. :) ELP, though _definitely_ not guitar-heavy, rocks like a mofo with keyboards, and unless they've seriously changed their repertory (and from what I've heard, they haven't) or their keyboard sounds (Rick Wakeman on KTA 2, anyone?), they still should rock nads. That's just my opinion. > -- When you're opening for someone, ESPECIALLY when you're DT and > have limited radio penetration in many cities, every second is > precious. You have the potential to make dozens, hundreds of new > fans....and the potential to piss it all away with songs that either > don't impress a non-DT audience or which turn out poorly (for whatever > reason). Well, considering that prog-metal often meets with the disdain of the old-school, straight prog-rock audience, it might be wise to stick w/DT's proggier songs rather than its more metal ones. I'm thinking Trial of Tears (even though that would eat up a lot of the show, it's worth it IMO), Hell's Kitchen (beautiful in every way), _maybe_ ACoS on special nights, Surrounded (which has a very "Turn Of The Century" or perhaps "And You And I" feel to it, I think), maybe Learning to Live, and Scarred, though that would be mainly for us and the Deep Purple audience. Erotomania might work well too. > -- The setlist should be relatively undemanding on James' voice, for > several reasons. If it gets strained and DT are still contractually > obligated to play, then they won't be impressing too many potential > fans (never mind the band's musical prowess, people tend to focus on > the candy-- err, vocals). Plus, it probably took a few favors to > arrange this opening gig and it'd be a shame if they had to cancel > dates and miss opportunities to Convert the Masses. I guess that would mean no Under A Glass Moon or Metropolis. > -- Just as some of us did to Big Wreck and Full On The Mouth, there > may well be devoted ELP or DP fans who will heckle our beloved DT during > their set. If DT hits the ground running and has few (or no) long > breaks or periods of relative quiet, THE HECKLERS CAN'T MAKE TOO MUCH > DIFFERENCE because they'll be drowned out by DT. (Until the Flying > Wedge of Ytsejammers arrives and.....silences them, painlessly if > necessary. :)) Would this possibly rule out New Millennium (which I think is quite the live showstopper)? > Some things to think about. I'd definitely include "PMU" and "TTT", > which leaves about 25 minutes. "Surrounded"? Schweeeet, but there > are those quieter parts that would just beg some idiot drunk to start > yelling at Our Guys. "UaGM"? Also schweet, but it's a bit demanding > on James' voice. "LtL"? Yummy, but at c. 11 minutes it's a big > chunk. Some instrumentals might be a wise course to steer..... > "Erotomania"? "Ytsejam"? A nice juicy medley? Well, remember that they are still trying to support FII on tour, so the FII songs that go off best live would be likely included. Besides, these people aren't _quite_ the average audience, so I wouldn't worry about using up much of the set on DT's longer songs. Some of the ELP crowd likely have stood through an extended Karn Evil 9 and loved every minute of it, so, if they are prudently chosen, DT's extended length songs could be pulled off on this tour. I offer another alternative. Instead of making concessions to the Deep Purple and Emerson, Lake, and Palmer audiences, why not use the fact that those 2 bands will be on tour for them for almost a month to DT's advantage? Say it with me: _collaboration_. If you've got 12 (I think) of the greatest musicians of our time on the same bill together, why not try to get them together? Think about the possibilities! Three definite possibilities I see are DT and DP getting together and attempting something like a double Nightmare Cinema playing Perfect Strangers, DT and ELP getting together on Tarkus or Karn Evil 9, and/or ALL THREE of them TOGETHER. I think there are definitely some parts of Karn Evil 9 that use multiple overdubs and the like of stuff that couldn't possibly all be played by Keith Emerson alone. Why not put Derek to work at it? I'm sure he's at least good enough to play backup for Emerson. :) Plus, Petrucci shreds circles around Greg Lake on guitar. Why not have a fuller-sounding band by having Petrucci playing the guitar parts, allowing Lake to keep playing bass, with John Myung either doubling or harmonizing with Lake? Plus, double drums (if done correctly), as anyone who's heard "Seconds Out" by Genesis can blow one's mind. Furthermore, KJLB can act as a companion ring-master during the carnie section of the First Impression and be the computer voice in the Third Impression, freeing up Keith Emerson to blow people's minds! The repercussions of this are mind-boggling! Plus, who's saying that they have to collaborate on just their (DT's, DP's, and ELP's) material? Why can't they get together and make a completely mesmerizing epic by ALL THREE BANDS? I'm smelling a live video and/or a live double or triple album. > Let's see some thoughts here. :) You've got mine. :{) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 15:29:50 From: "Nicolas M. Rincon" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: A new DT singer?!!!!! and something else... Message-ID: - I vote ANDRE MATOS from ANGRA, he's REALLY GREAT!!!!!!!... but i want to listen to James in DT for the next fifty years, could it be possible???? :-) . Alistair, you're wrong... Sebastian Bach is not the best, he's just another pretty-face with a common voice, he's not superior, IMO. Andre Matos is the BEST vocalist in the entire world... you must hear him, he's an instrument of feelings with his voice. Anyone agree???? - I listen Symphony X a week ago, and i think they gift a lot of power to the world; my score is: 87/100... (am i exact?) I say it always, but it's true... sorry my english, i don't wanna hurt you guys. Take it easy... it's just life See ya!!! Nico... THE argentinian Ytsejammer PD: Hi Niria!!!, i remember you... cheers!! ------------------------------------------------------ Nicolas Matias Rincon e-mail: email_address_removed ICQ: 11862235 Nick: Tabo Santa Fe, Argentina "Seize the day and don't you cry, Now it's time to say good-bye Even though I'll be gone, I will live on, live on" - Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:44:29 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan To: email_address_removed Subject: re: setlist as openers Message-ID: Here's my idea on a possible setlist for the DP tour: For a 45 minute set: LITS TTT Lie Ytsejam(FYS) BMS PMU If they get an hour, add New Millenium JLMB (if they're going for a "heavy" vibe) or ACOS bits (if they're going for a "prog" vibe). I think this set showcases material that the non-DT fans have probably heard, with some other stuff that will appeal to a wide cross-section of fans. At the same time, it will please the record company (who so graciously arranged this tour and widespread exposure) by heavily featuring material from FII. -- _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________ E-Mail: email_address_removed WWW: http://www.just-like.nu IRC: DDictator ICQ: 2049374 ______________________________________________________ Join the YCSRF today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 15:03:18 EDT From: Max Arbot To: email_address_removed Subject: Mistakes, Errors, and General Gripes Message-ID: I HAD to clear a few things up from the last digest...some people need to learn more about DT. For example, email_address_removed.ar writes... <> Wrong. They fired him because he didn't fit it with the band. Yes, he was much older than any of them, but that really had nothing to do with it. His taste in music was very different, so they kindly sent him on his merry way...no hard feelings. Secondly, I totally and whole-heartedly agree with our fellow Ytsejammer, Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de), however, he has sinned in the eyes of DT followers. Neil, ask John Petrucci how DT is spelled, and he'll tell you that it is NOT Dream Theatre...it's Dream TheatER... Just had to clear that up...sorry. :o) [eriC] THE DRE/\M THE/\TER http://members.aol.com/MaxArbot/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 15:48:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Smith To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3927 Message-ID: A poor soul wrote: > I haven't heard QR,so I won't say anything about them.I've been thinking > of getting Operation:Mindcrime.Is it any good? OH...MY...GOODNESS....... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Currently Playing: Down--Nola ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith "We say revolution... email_address_removed With a cast-iron fist" -Mustaine ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 05:12:01 -0500 From: "Ryan Whitaker" To: Subject: San Antonio show mini-review (no spoilers) Message-ID: <00a301bd8817$7caed5a0$6301430c@dwhit> I won't type too much about this one just yet, as I know Nicole McWatters has a much more complete scope on what happened tonight. As for stuff she probably won't write about, here it goes. DT's getting pretty unpredictable with their setlists. I've been to all three Texas shows now, and not a single one was very similar. This venue, being in San Antonio, had a *very* strong Hispanic presence, and if you haven't guessed yet, the place reaked of marijuana. In a place where about four radio stations are tejano music, it was good to see such a good turnout. This show was almost Lubbock-esque, because DT and even FotM were having *tons* of fun up there, mostly because it was DT's last headlinining gig of the tour and secondly because it was the last show that Full on the Mouth would be with them. Whatever the case, it sure was fun to watch. As for now, I'm still blown away and in disbelief that I've just seen three Dream Theater concerts in three days. It just doesn't get better than this. Not only that, but the shows were packed with rarities, which makes the shows that much more special. I got tonight's show on tape. I listened to the entire concert twice on the way home. Sounds pretty good! Anyway, after the show I deposited all my recording gear in my truck and came back in the club with a camera. I took one picture, and one of the club's burly workers ran up behind me and said, "Hold on there, pardner!!!" and snatched the camera away from me. I headed outside, and the next thing I know, I saw this one guy walking out the club with my camera completely smashed in one of his hands. This is about the only thing that really leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. But if you look at it positively, I'm just glad they didn't do that with my DAT recorder. I'm outta here for now. It's 5:30AM and I'm tired like a mug. More in-depth coverage of everything later. Ryan Whitaker Scarred Records http://www.geocities.com/soho/2236 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 15:19:57 -0500 From: Nicole Stachowicz McWatters To: We have assumed control Subject: San Antonio Show -- Spoilers ;-) Message-ID: Oh, wait. That was the last show of the tour, so spoilers don't exist. But just in case anyone cares, ***Anyone who doesn't want to know anything about the last show of this tour, skip this post. For everone else... Wow, what a night! I don't think DT could have been more perfect (or more entertaining) than in San Antonio, TX. James was right on the money most of the night, and everyone else was flawless. And you talk about your surprises!!! Pre-show: We didn't do much. I woke up at 9am on Sunday (because I was too excited to sleep anymore), and Ken slept until about 11. We left Ft. Worth at about 2 p.m. and arrived in Schertz at around 6:15. Ryan was, of course, at the front of the line, so he agreed to toss the Texas banner onstage during the show. :) We also saw Polo and his brother and Ryan Whitaker, but I don't think we saw any other Ytsejammers. Where were you guys?!? You're gonna shit when you find out what you missed! FOTM: Same exact set as the Ft. Worth show, same comments, same funky dance moves, ad nauseum. But that wasn't what was so cool. During the second song, Derek and Mike started throwing broccoli, carrots, and celery at the band, who in turn threw them back. Mike was behind his covered kit, and ke kept peeking out from behind the black curtain. :) And of course, the crowd went nuts every time he looked out. :) A little later on, Mike came out in a white bathrobe, sunglasses, and some sort of cap. He was carrying a broom, which he proceeded to use to sweep FOTM's cymbals. He then looked at the crowd (you could tell the singer was getting annoyed :) , turned, and mooned the crowd (in his white briefs, of course! ;) Of course, the crowd went nuts! He left the stage only to throw bread later in FOTM's set. In the end, the guitarist was the one who surfed the crowd. Thank goodness Ken and I were right in the middle of the crowd... halfway back and in the middle of the stage. :) No "boot to the head" as they say. The Setlist and Antics: Of course they played the FII demos Cover My Eyes, Raise the Knife, and The Way It Used to Be. Then the obligatory Rooster and A Clockwork Orange. They started in on the taped part of ACOS, and when it was time for DT to come onstage and start playing, there was silence. No DT. The crowd cheered for a bit, then got kind of quiet. Then out came DT!!! woo! They were backstage "shooting the shit" as James put it and missed their entrance. Only the first of many interesting things to happen. The setlist was as follows: ACOS I and II JLMB BMS TTT (Mike sang the beginning of the song for James), and they broke into Freebird, Sweet HOme Alabama, Hot for Teacher (boy, can Mike play!) and Moby Dick. Then they slowed it down for Anna Lee and HY. Derek's solo followed and turned into LITS. Then it got interesting. FOTM swore revenge during their set for the veggies and mooning, so they came out during LITS in only their underwear and stood in a line across the front of the stage. They turned around and bent over, revealing the words "Full" "On" "The" and "Mouth" written across the four member's asses (one word per member :). hehe! They then revealed Majesty logos on their right hips, which had been previously covered. :) Real cute, guys! Then I think the drummer dove off the stage into the crowd. Something about crowd surfing with this band. Anyway, James complemented the "Calvin Klein boys" on their humor and went on with the show. Then they did CiaW, which turned into Mike's awesome drum solo, which was similar to the warm-up he does at clinics. He had about 3 people help with the solo. The first didn't know how to reply to the old "shave and a haircut" beat, so he moved to the other side of the stage. He then gave the drumsticks to some chick who had been dancing wildly and was stoned out of her mind. She just looked at the sticks confused, and Mike took them away from her. He commented on how a 7 year old kid had gotten the drum solo right in Arizona, and these ppl couldn't get it right. Finally he brought someone onstage and did a solo with him. Pretty good, if you ask me. He even got the "shave and a haircut" right! woo! Then they finished CiaW. Then they played Lie complete with Derek's inability to catch even a single drumstick. You'd think he'd get it right by the last show! ;) James commented on how Derek wasn't picked to play for the Yankees and that he had made the right career decision. Peruvian Skies/Have a Cigar combination and a piece of Enter Sandman JP's solo complete with Paradigm Shife (with Mike, of course), My Way, and Flight of the Bumblebee. Last song was PMU. Ryan threw my banner onstage at that point, and James started wearing it around his shoulders and back! Then Ken picked me up so I was about 2 feet above the crowd, and I waved madly at Mike. He looked at me and waved back! I about died again! Ken put me down, and I just kept screaming, "That's my banner! That's my banner!" Encore: They did the first half of Metropolis, and James carried JP off stage when he went nuts. :) Then, NIGHTMARE CINEMA!!! NC made their third appearance in the United States at the SA show. Can you believe it? They do this shit in London, Chicago, LA (among other big cities) and San Antonio?!? Weird. JM was on Keys, JP on drums, DS on a glittery guitar wearing a sombrero and sarape, KJLB sang, and Mike was on bass. They did Perfect Strangers, what else? Oh, and Myung, who never, ever, EVER smiles, SMILED! :) Then they announced that that was the FINAL PERFORMACE of Nightmare Cinema ever! That's it! No more! Of course, they left the possiblity open that they might have a reunion "in a couple of years." They finished with Cupid's Dead, LTL, ACOS, and a teaser of A Fortune in Lies. After all that excitement (and all the pot everyone was smoking), I had just about had it. Ken and I talked with 3 of the members of Power of Omens and traded tapes. :) We hung out for a little while waiting for the guys to come out and sign stuff, but when Myung made a run for the bus, we decided to go. Oh, one last thing. The staff at the Bluebonnet Palace was exceptionally rude. They acted like a bunch of hicks (what else were we to expect?), shoved people out of the club after the show (and after we were told to go back inside to have our stuff signed, which was a mistake on their part), and one of them took and broke Ryan Whitaker's (thankfully disposable) camera after the show was over. I think that was really uncalled for. Anyway, this weekend was an experience I will never forget. Sorry we didn't do the pre-show meetings, but all in all, it worked out great! It was great seeing everyone, some for the first time and some again. I'm kind of sad the excitement is over. Now all I have to look forward to is starting my new job in 3 weeks. :P Hope to see everyone again soon, and THANK YOU, DREAM THEATER for a wonderful weekend! Sorry this is so long, but I thought everyone would like to know what happened. :) Now I'm off to nurse my bruises and strained muscles. -Nicole/Kirby -- Nicole Stachowicz McWatters : Kirby on irc.dreamt.org Technical Writer and Dream Theater Nut! email_address_removed -- http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039 ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3928 **************************