YTSEJAM Digest 3901 Today's Topics: 1) Re: "IDIOTS" & SV/JP: Deja-Vu! by The Working Man 2) Vai and Petrucci by "Rainer" 3) Wow by Chris Oates 4) Scarred Records CD info, bootleg sound clips, etc. by "Ryan Whitaker" 5) Possible Horse Origins (Alas, NDTC) by Matt Johnston 6) Adventures in Chi-town - some spoilers!!!!!!! (lllooonnnnggg) by "Scott/Curt Hansen" 7) Danny Gatton by "Trevor W. Hoit" 8) kai's credibility/proggirls/for the record by "Trevor W. Hoit" 9) hmmmm by "Ryan P. Skadberg" 10) Chicago Jammers kick bootie! (And so did DT) by AL 11) Re: West Coast by email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) 12) MD 98 Poll by email_address_removed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 11:25:44 +0100 From: The Working Man To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Re: "IDIOTS" & SV/JP: Deja-Vu! Message-ID: <98May15.083016gmt+message_id_removed.se> Dr. Mosh wrote: > You people are idiots!!! Ear plugs are a scam!!! Haven't you realized > that the only way to improve your hearing is to listen to L O U D > music? > Excercise those eardrum muscles!! FEEL IT LOUD > MOTHERTRUCKERS... So, if I've "excercised" many times enough, I won't be able to hear the wounderful music of Dream Theater at all... and is that such a good idea? I'd rather save my already damaged hearing for the presently released and the forthcoming albums of DT (and other artists, as well)... And, well, please don't laugh at me now - I've never seen DT live... not even on VHS! (Doh!) <:-( On the topic "Vai vs. Petrucci"... Whoa man... Deja-Vu!!! I believe that I myself started off a discussion like this last week (or was it...? Eeh...) - where I stated I though SV had more feeling into his play than JP. I can't help I still feel that way, though. Damn, this was a completely unnecessary post! Sorry Skadz! Please don't unsub me! <:-D Any Winmail.dat here today? If so... 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Petrucci is more of a traditional player and tends to solo in more common modes and recently has moved towards a more bluesy phrasing where Vai sounds like an alien. I'm not sure whether Petrucci has really got his own style yet (this may not be a fair criticism), but to me his lead playing sounds like a combination of Holdsworth, Morse, Di Meola and a few others while his rhythm playing reminds me of Hetfield and Lifeson. I think he's own unique personality is starting to emerge though. Just my opinion. Regards, Rainer (email_address_removed.au) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:11:19 -0700 From: Chris Oates To: email_address_removed Subject: Wow Message-ID: Old time Jammers coming out of the woodwork! Now all we need is a post from C-Man offering free stuff, and Airdance telling us what Kevin is up to and I'll start thinking it's 1995 all over again. :) ~Chris __=A0 /\=A0 __ Chris Oates: email_address_removed __\/__\/__ +---- =A0 \_||_/=A0=A0 | "Still awake, I continue to move along, cultivating my | /__||__\=A0 | own nonsense" -Dream Theater, "Trial of Tears"=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0 | // \ |=A0 \\=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ----+ =A0=A0=A0 \|=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 http://www2.ucsc.edu/people/aspect/=20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:19:38 -0500 From: "Ryan Whitaker" To: Subject: Scarred Records CD info, bootleg sound clips, etc. Message-ID: <021301bd7fd1$d4f28d40$de50430c@dwhit> Scarred Records' second Dream Theater release, "Spinning Years 2" has been shipping like a madman for the past week or so! It features six of the best double-disc DT bootlegs available (count it, 12 discs!!), all on a single disc using the CD-quality MP3 format! This is an update from the original "Spinning Years". It corrects the gaps between tracks, and completely eliminates any warbling or swishy sounds that was characteristic of several songs on the original release. "SY2" features a full color liner *AND* a painted disc! It looks incredibly cool. I've just received the disc printer, so any people who have already received the unpainted SY2 discs will receive, for free, an additional painted disc in the mail within the next week or so. How's that for customer service? =) Not only that, but owners of the original "Spinning Years" disc can obtain the update SY2 disc, which includes a painted disc and new magazine-quality front liner, for a flat $5! Now, if you want to hear several full-length song samples of this immense disc, go to the Scarred Records homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/soho/2236 Hear for yourself how awesome these MP3 discs can sound! Also available for listening are several clips from my very limited edition Van Halen MP3 disc, "Rat Salade", so have fun with those as well. Also check out the bootleg listing on my site. You'll find it's probably the most extensive listing of Rush and DT bootlegs out there, and most are available for replication! With the arrival of the disc printer, I will soon expand the bootleg replication service to include full-color liners and disc prints, so keep an eye on the page for more info about that. Sorry to keep rambling, but a lot's happened lately. =) Another new section is the Specials area, which features not-so-hot bootlegs at way cheap prices. This week's special is a Rush double-disc bootleg for $15. Yup, $15 for two discs! Thanks! Ryan Whitaker Scarred Records - buildin' steam http://www.geocities.com/soho/2236 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:46:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Possible Horse Origins (Alas, NDTC) Message-ID: On Thu, 14 May 1998, AEllis1222 wrote: > >Well, I've heard the saying, but never had a damn clue what it meant! I think it comes from a situation if you get a gift hors,e it porbably has bad teeth. Thus, don't look too hard, and accept the gift horse. If you look too hard, you'll probably find something to complain about, but do you really have a right, seeing as it's a gift horse and all? hehehe... back to your regularly scheduled flashbacks... --Matt (the other one) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:43:24 -0500 From: "Scott/Curt Hansen" To: Subject: Adventures in Chi-town - some spoilers!!!!!!! (lllooonnnnggg) Message-ID: SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS Well, fellow jammerz, Last night proved to be one helluva memorable experience (just as all the DT shows I've been to have been). I'll try not to rehash what Chris "I'll get my own bootlegs" Ptacek, Matt "sideburns" Stanich and Derek Franz (BTW, are you the long-lost brother to FOTM's drummer - geez you guys look a lot alike!) already posted. I hooked up with Mattymo and his bud Tom and we cruised down to Chicago. Missed our exit, but eventually found the Vic - whew! Got a chance to hang with a buncha jammerz - nice to see Chris Ptacek and his gf Margaret, as well as Matt Stanich, the Geoff Tate look-alike guy (sorry I forgot your name) and everyone else. Kinda funny - there was this one guy, who pretty much waited by himself who kept on busting out joints right on the street! Didn't seem like he was totally with it - someone told me that he earlier that he had gone across the street to take a leak (in the parking lot) and had a 40-ouncer. Crazy thing was, he was the first guy to play along with MP during MP's solo (and he was pretty good, though he didn't catch on to the "match what MP does" part of the solo). Anway, it was pretty fun since myself, Mattymo and Tom got to see soundcheck. Pretty much just went through LitS, PS and S2M. Before they started soundcheck, I repeated my request to Mike that they at least play the beginning of TOWHTSTS (ta-whats-its) - I had asked him the same thing when they played Madison in November. As usual, it didn't happen during the show, but during sound check all of the sudden Mike looked right at me and busted out the drum beat for it (right after the mellow intro where the drums kick in and the chunky guitar part starts)! Totally kewl! I think John M even joined along, but Petrucci was playing something else so the song fell apart. Nonetheless, it definitely made my day! Mike and Derek practiced tossing a drum stick back and forth - Mike kept on telling Derek to "catch the drum stick like a man" since he kept on dropping them (and he looked like a sissy when doing it) - pretty funny - later on Mike literally started throwing bananas at Derek instead of drum sticks. After sound check was over, I took a picture of Mike standing next to his small kit and we had a conversation about LTE, what happens after the tour, etc. Kiddies, go see DT now, cuz I think its gonna be a while before DT will be touring again after the tour with DP/ELP is over. Turns out there's another little Petrucci on the way, so at least John will probably take some time off. Mike sez he's already gotten a couple other offers for other side projects, so there will be other things in the pipeline though. Of course, during this time (while talking to Mike after soundcheck) JP would start playing something on his guitar each time I'd try to ask Mike a kweschun or when Mike tried to respond, so Mike finally told us he'd talk to us later "(damn guitarists!!)" <----- quote from LTE's booklet Finally, security told us we had to go wait outside since we didn't have our passes yet, so we rejoined Matt S, Derek, Dale "this is my first DT show" Newbury and everyone else in the line. At this point, we found out Chris Ptacek took Derek for a cruise but he already covered that so I won't. Once they started letting "special" people in, I got my pass and snuck back in and caught the tale end of FOTM's soundcheck which was pretty good. I got the chance to talk to the lead singer before they opened the doors and he was a very down to earth person - he mentioned that he heard the horror stories of Big Wreck but that the tour was going pretty well for them. Oh yeah, it turns out FOTM get along pretty well with DT since during DT's soundcheck, FOTM's singer was having fun running around taking pictures of them and other people. FOTM also watched part of DT's soundcheck and applauded and laughed when Mike and Derek were goofing off. Chris Ptacek already covered FOTM's performance - all I'll say is give these guys a fair chance before making a judgment call - for the most part (from the reviews I skimmed from the 'Jam) the overall impression I had gotten was that FOTM sucked - and they don't. I'll also say that the attitude they had was ten times better than that of BW's - no stupid scowls on their faces - the lead singer ran all over the stage through out the set slapping everyone's hand and the guys while serious, still looked like they were having a good time on stage. Again, Chris P covered DT's performance as well so I'll keep mine brief. It ROOOOOLED!!!! Okay, I'll ad a bit more: the setlist was very cool (though I did miss Crack/Puppies) and it was awesome hearing two of my favorite DT songs (ToT and LTL) in the same set - although as I told Derek after the show - "you weren't supposed to edit LTL at all" - I understand why they did it, I just didn't want to see them do it! Oh well. The string of cover-teasers they did - Freebird, Hot for Teacher, The Trooper, YYZ and I think a PF track were very cool - before they did the Trooper and YYZ - (remember Mattymo - it's pronounced "why why zed" not "why why zee" :) I saw Mike signal to JP "two more" - so these teasers (or snippits) appear to be spontaneous/off the cuff. For any who care (D-Man and Bogie) Mike gave me the setlists for the majority of the shows from Nov 19th on up (I had everything else before Nov 19th except the Euro97 and South American shows) so they will be typed up shortly. Now the one thing that I want to mention that really shows how we Ytse-bretheren (and Ytse-sisteren) stick together is this: just before the show started, I jumped the barrier where security is so I could move around when taking pictures (I had a photo pass). The one security guard told me that was dumb of me since I was not gonna be able to jump back over the railing (into the front row) after picture time (the first 3 songs) was over with. Oh well, nothing I could do now. After I was done taking pictures, I went to the side as security directed me. Slowly, I moved my way through the mass of people (who at the time were moshing to TTT) and when another security guard recognized me and pointed me out to Chris Ptacek, Chris grabbed my hand and pulled me back into the front row - before they even got to Freebird. My thanx to Chris for doing that!!! (Heh - guess we proved that first secruity guard wrong). The moral of the story is this: Chris Ptacek is a cool and nice guy in person - just don't argue with him in email!! :) :) :) After the show, we hung out and Derek came out soon after. He hung out for a while, signed stuff, pictures, etc. - it almost seemed like he was out there too long since everybody had their stuff signed and we were all running out of kweschunz to ask him! Anyway, he picked his girl for the evening (Gene Simmons must be his hero!) and later came back with a bottle of wine before taking off with her. The bassist and drummer from FOTM came out to chat and were very personable. I got to ask the drummer why he plays just with socks on and he mentioned he just never could get used to playing with shoes on - interesting. Also found out that they had been around for 8 years though their drummer had been with them for only 3 (sez they went through a Spinal Tap thing - losing drummer after drummer). Mike and Marlene were the only other ones to come out to the "after-show", but we got the chance to talk with them, take pictures and have stuffed signed. I got to talk to Marlene at length and she was telling me how she concerned she was about Melody's hearing (since Melody was with them at the show) - not only did Marlene put the headphone-type ear plugs on Melody, she also took her own in-ear ear plugs and also put those in Melody's ears. Marlene also mentioned that Rena and the twins are also touring with DT (though they were at the hotel) and how Melody would play with the twins. After they left, we headed outside and ran into JP and got a picture or two with him. Finally, they boarded the bus and headed to the hotel to get a brief night's sleep before their 6AM flight to Cali. Hope they all got enough sleep!! In closing, I want to say hello to all the Vinnie Kowalski (mix master), McGee (hope you're feeling better!!) and fellow jammerz who were at the show and to thank DT and especially Mike for everything!!! You guys really know how to make your fans special! Thanx again! Scott Hansen email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 01:05:55 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'email_address_removed'" Cc: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Danny Gatton Message-ID: > From: Pat Daugherty > NP:Danny Gatton (RIP)-88 Elmira St (anyone else like this blues guitar > phenom?) Oh yeah, I love this guy. I have six of his cds and they're all really good. The ones I have: Gatton, Danny (Danny and the Fat Boys)-American Music Gatton, Danny-Redneck Jazz Gatton, Danny-Unfinished Business Gatton, Danny-88 Elmira St. Gatton, Danny-Crusin' Dueces Gatton, Danny/DeFrancesco, Joey-Relentless I still need to get his live one (Danny with a double neck guitar on cover) and the one with him and rockabilly legend Robert Gordon. I even saw him once in LA in about '93. Great show. Too bad he had to kill himself. Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 02:04:43 -0700 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: kai's credibility/proggirls/for the record Message-ID: > I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I just want to get everybody's > ok on > ordering CD-R boots from this guy. Is he reliable? Yes, he is. He sent me my cds even though I forgot to include the shipping. > Define West Coast, Lisa. (: I'm stuck in a closet with Pearl Jam up > in > Seattle, and I am afraid that I'm missing out on not only 'prog > chicks' > but rides to shows that don't exist up here. Tell me about it. Is there ONE Seattle female jammer??? Make yourself known so George and I can battle it out for your favor. :) > My Question is....when are we Correct, er West Coast Prog Females > gonna > meet some prog males out here??????? > I have been lovin awesome music (which I found out later was > progressive > music) for ages...yet I can never seem find a guy out in California > who > likes my kinda music too! Are you serious, Coldfire?!? There's got to be at least 50 progguys for every proggirl. >Define West Coast, Lisa. (: I'm stuck in a closet with Pearl Jam up in >Seattle, and I am afraid that I'm missing out on not only 'prog chicks' Yup, you guessed it... sunny, er, rainy California! If I knew how to=20 drive a bus, I'd be right there for ya! Lisa Marie Hey! What about me, Lisa Marie? You still owe me for those SB pictures! :) --Matt (Any female Jammers in Eugene, OR? ^_-) If you find any, send them up to Seattle asap. :) For the record: It was I who reposted Skadz instructions to Damon because Damon was responding to that idiot poster like Skadz said not to do. No offence intended by the "Are you blind?" part. Trevor "Master of my Domain" Hoit ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 10:43:10 +0000 (Local time zone must be set--see zic manual page) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" To: email_address_removed Subject: hmmmm Message-ID: (man, its early, i just have to do this though ;) Al wrote: > Actually, the last girlfriend I had I would introduce with different > variations of, "This is ,the most beautiful girl in the world". > Granted, the people I introduced her to would basically puke, but I > meant it and she loved it. > Don't ask what happened...... :) Can I guess? You took a really really really long time in sending her tapes and she got pissed at you and broke up with you, right? ;) Skadz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 05:48:53 -0500 From: AL To: YTSE Jammers Subject: Chicago Jammers kick bootie! (And so did DT) Message-ID: Wow, what a night... I had the great pleasure of seeing DT for the third time in less than six months. And it just keeps getting better. I offer my thanks to Chris Ptacek and his lovely counterpart for making the six hour trip to Chicago a totally enjoyable experience. The hospitality of the Chicago area jammers goes WAY beyond the call of duty. Thanks again to Derek Frantz, (I want your Majesty necklace) Todd and his Girlfriend/wife? from Ames Iowa, Hugo,(the better living through chemistry drummer) The big dude with the glasses (and the DT induced erection) that stood to my left during the show, Dale Newberry and company, (you wussy's should have stayed for some chow) and to the other jammers that we had dinner with. Sorry I forgot some of the names. Hey Chris, the Symphony X CD you gave me kicks ass, thanks much. Next time I will drag along my other half, (AKA the warden) she is a big DT fan. Unfortunately she's not a big fan of long car rides, and she takes her job duties a little too seriously to take a day off work for a concert. I will work on this fatal flaw of hers. Chris Ptacek wrote: >Had dinner with about 6 or 7 jammers, passed off some explosives to >a guy from out of state, and went home to crash. What a night! Thanks man, between the explosives and my carelessness with a lit cigarette, We now have a convertible! I have some great pics with the band, if they turn out well I may post them on my web page. Hey Chris, my buddy Mike also took a picture of the flaky looking parking attendant just for laughs, I don't think he's a jammer though. hehe Thanks again for a great time, I hope I can get you guys to Minnesota for the DT/ELP/DP concert in August. Toodles! -- See ya, AL... Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 03:59:42 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: West Coast Message-ID: email_address_removed wrote: >Ummmm, Carol, last time I checked, the ration of men to women at prog >shows is about 25:1. That makes me smile!!!! :-) If it is the King Crimson show it should be 100:1. This is true. But I don't see any difference between male and female for listening to prog music. DT content: See you guys at the Maritime Hall show. If anyone cares...Keith Emerson will be playing at the Maritime Hall on this Friday night (May 15) and Marc Bonilla and Glenn Hughes will be an opening act. And Present (Belgian prog) will be playing at the Full Moon Saloon in San Mateo on this Friday night, too. I will be at the Present show. Good night, AE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 07:22:41 EDT From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: MD 98 Poll Message-ID: --- Received from HQ02MEMO.TC6NSMM MCCURDY, SHAWN 05-15-98 07:19 Congratulation to Mike P. for winning 2 categories in the 1998 Modern Drummer Readers Poll! Mike won the Progressive Rock category and the Best Recorded Performance for his drumming on Falling Into Infinity. Congrats, Mike!!! See-ya, Shawn ---- 05-15-98 07:19 ---- Sent to ------------------------------------ -> IBMMAIL.I1739025 Advantis IBM Mail Exchange ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3901 **************************