YTSEJAM Digest 3886 Today's Topics: 1) Raining on Peruvian Skies by K I L L M A R Y 2) 5's gone. there is no 5. by The Digital Man 3) Re: Philly Review - Lengthy by KEZCOM 4) Dump... by "Blevins, Mike" 5) If it must be known... by Matt Johnston 6) Re: New Address and Phone Number by The Digital Man 7) Re: rap... & therapy by "Presley" 8) Selling out... the real news... by Matt Johnston 9) Re: New Address and Phone Number by belhai 10) Drist, Dio by Rick Audet 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3869 by Rob Jurado 12) Re: radmax by "earthblind, starbound" 13) Best concert experience by Chris Dixon 14) MP3 to Wav by "Rafaloff, Ryan " 15) Re: Muff Daddy and Celine Dion by Rob Jurado 16) Re: Rap lyrics by Rob Jurado ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:56:32 -0400 (EDT) From: K I L L M A R Y To: email_address_removed Subject: Raining on Peruvian Skies Message-ID: mpm_2112 (Matt) sez...... >Yeah, how come you say PS is not prog when Ummmmm I hate labeling stuff, but to me it's a pretty straight-forward metal song. >1. It sounds very Floydish (well the first half anyway, and the guitar solo) Yup, it sure does, and Floyd does have some slow straight-forward stuff. >2. Portnoy said in an interveiw that PS is the most true DT sounding song on thw whole album That's what made me actually post... I sure hope this doesn't mean that whatever DT comes up from now on is gonna sound like Peruvian Skies. I always thought that it's a cute song, but that LitS, NM and ToT are a much better example of where they're heading... at least that's what I hoped for, and still do... Christian. ____ ____ ____ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ / / /\/ /\/ /\\ /\ /__/ / / \/ \__/ / / /___/ /___/ \\/ \____ /\ \ / / / \/ / / / / /\ \ // \ / / \ / / / / / / / / \___\// / / / / / /__ /__ / / / / / /\ / / / \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / \___\_\_\__\\__\__\___\_\___\_\___\_\__\__/ / \_________________________________________/ None of us is as strong as all of us. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:57:03 -0400 From: The Digital Man To: email_address_removed Subject: 5's gone. there is no 5. Message-ID: Craig Griffith **finally** got the answer to this one. Change all the 5s to "Markinson" and you get the following quote: "Markinson's gone. There is no Markinson." Spoken, of course, by the ubiquitous Kevin Bacon in A Few Good Men. Johhny, show 'em what Craig won. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:08:30 EDT From: KEZCOM To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Philly Review - Lengthy Message-ID: In a message dated 98-05-12 12:45:43 EDT, Adam Pye wrote: << Full on the Mouth opened, and ordinarily that's all I'd say about this virtually talentless band, but something bothered me during their set. People were _really_ giving them a hard time and while the lead singer DID look strikingly like Sammy Hagar, all the ragging and yelling were totally unnecessary. People were making fun of their music and calling them names with them right there on the stage, and you could tell the singer was bothered a bit by it. It was funny for a minute, but Jesus, these guys are up there playing as well as they can and doing what alot of people in the crowd did was simply immature and childish. Paul Cashman brought up a great point during trip. He mentioned that DT might get some of the same treatment at the DP/ELP tour shows - and he's right. I don't give a damn how much you don't like a band. When they're up there doing the best they can leave them alone - ie, grow the fuck up. >> Isn't this what you would expect from the city whose football fans beat up Santa Claus? Yes, it happened at a football game some years ago. No offense to all you Philly 'jammers, 'cause I know this wasn't YOU, but a lot of Philly fans(football, anyway) are the biggest a-holes I've ever dealt with. I'll never attend another Eagles game. Please don't flame me, 'cause I'm talking about someone else, not you. :~) Anyway, I agree with Adam here, and I hope that there were no 'jammers involved. Let's try to show some class to these guys, even if you don't like their music. I met with them after the show at Daytona's(after they TOTALLY kissed MP's ass), and they were all very cool guys. Just big fans of OFB, like the rest of us. Just be cool, and observe the gilded rule. Learning to rhyme, Kez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:09:36 -0400 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Dump... Message-ID: > << In my own fucking car (if > I'm with my girlfriend) she bitches at me to "turn this fucking shit > off" (DT)! >> > > DUMP HER! DUMP HER! DUMP HER! That relationship is doomed. > Get her outta' > here. > > You'll thank me for this one day. Heh - Kez, relationship councilor. :) I've had this problem before, and I found that Kez's solution, while drastic, was certainly effective... Mike Division - With King Diamond, Thursday. With Savatage, June 19th. With luck, I'll hook up with a girl that likes metal - now that I'm single again... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:23:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: If it must be known... Message-ID: http://www.theonion.com/onion3306/last2samples.html You'll find all the depressing info there. --Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Deep Impact": Something that movie didn't have on me... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:27:25 -0400 From: The Digital Man To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: New Address and Phone Number Message-ID: Damon shared with us: > that's it, all you sighted fucks. You thougt D's post was funny? Have your > eyes feast on this for a while. Ascii art from a blind guy!!!!! > > : > : : > _______________________ > \\\\\\\\\\\\ > :';"+_ Oh, cool, a sailboat. D-Man spouts off yet another movie reference. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:27:24 -0500 From: "Presley" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: rap... & therapy Message-ID: I confess!! I happen to like some rap - Dr. Dre, Rakim, LL. Although If I hear Puff Daddy & Mace one more time I'll take out my nine and bust a cap. - I'm a drummer & also a dance DJ (yeah the 2 turntables\mixer deal) so I've learned to like it. But anyway there's a time for rap, and that's not always. People who listen to nothing but it don't know anything about music, so don't let the get to you. What you need to do is ignore them or quickly change the topic. Talk about sports or something. And if you're in the "your car" and the passengers don't want to hear your music, say tough or kick them out. Even if it's your girlfriend, there needs to be some compromise here, sonny. I say music is in your heart and for those of us who understand real music, that's where it should stay. There's a lot of music I listen to that I wouldn't dare or care to play around friends. I've noticed once you play or bring music into the conversation it turns into a fight. They'll either make fun of it or trash it. Some of what we listen to is personal, and for people not to like it or make fun of it can hurt. Its like we play music for these assholes & bitches for approval - WHY?? So I say - just be smart and keep to yourself, it's their loss. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:39:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Selling out... the real news... Message-ID: http://www.theonion.com/onion3203/mcdonaldsellout.html Sad... truly sad... (sniff) --Matt (be sure to turn on your sarcasm detectors) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Deep Impact": Something that movie didn't have on me... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:44:09 -0500 (EST) From: belhai To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: New Address and Phone Number Message-ID: On Tue, 12 May 1998, The Digital Man wrote: > Oh, cool, a sailboat. "Shut up!" - Mall Rats ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:01:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet To: YtseJelly Subject: Drist, Dio Message-ID: San Francisco Bay Area Jammers, A friend of mine plays in a band called Drist, based in Foster City, CA. They have a gig at The Edge in Palo Alto on Thursday, May 21. Check out their page at http://home.earthlink.net/~suemay/main.html and if they appeal to you maybe I'll see you at the show. I'll surely be there. Anyone going to see Ronnie James Dio the following night at Maritime Hall in San Francisco ? That oughtta be hoot. Now Playing: Photek, "Modus Operandi" Rick Audet San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:07:15 -0700 From: Rob Jurado To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3869 Message-ID: email_address_removed wrote: > YTSEJAM Digest 3869 > Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 15:28:02 -0400 > From: "Kurt Kober" > Subject: LTE vs. FII > > But time has passed, and while listening to LTE for the first time was > amazing, the novelty seems to have worn off. On the other hand, I find > myself liking Falling Into Infinity more each time I listen to it. I myself am thinking the same thing about FII. I love the album. I'm even starting to like the much-maligned YNM. > (Just as an aside, do you think DT ever gets tired of hearing how > frikkin great I&W is?) > That's a great point. I'm sure that I&W must be getting kind of old forOFB. They've got to be thinking, "Oh geez...enough with the cries for Metropolis, Part II. We have other stuff we'd like to play for you instead of treading over the same old ground." Personally, I'd like to see what else they have up their sleeves. I love to see an artist evolve. I'd be pretty bored with Sting, Pink Floyd, U2, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and Soundgarden if they'd kept doing "Outlandos D'amour", "Atom Heart Mother", "War", "Freaky Styley", and "Louder than Love", respectively. IOW, if they kept doing their early albums, I'd just get sick of them. In some of those cases, I wouldn't have ever liked them. I don't really like pre-Meddle Floyd, pre-War U2, and pre-Badmotorfinger Soundgarden. Call me a moron, but I just like what I like. Go ahead, y'all have what y'all are going to have. I'll have these. :) > I'd go so far as to say some of DT's best stuff ever is right there on > Falling Into Infinity. The songs on FII are more personal, better written, > and more well-produced. Each one is a little finished product, polished and > refined, whereas LTE strikes me as a collection of jam sessions. Brilliant, > nifty-as-hell jam sessions, but not very deep. IMO (ATS). In that regard, I > don't even know if the two albums can be compared fairly. > I agree that it's not the best comparison to make. the genesis of LTE wasmore jam-oriented than FII. Also, it's been described by MP as a one-week collaboration. It's just musicians playing whatever comes off the top of their minds. FII is, I assume, more of an effort to write SONGS. JP has said that in the past they'd take a good song idea and screw it up. I was just trying to take the pulse of the ytsejam. For the past few months, few CDs have displaced FII from my CD player. Most that have booted FII were subsequently replaced by FII, even other DT efforts, but "Scarred" seems to help Awake crawl back in more than any other CDs. Billie Holiday, John Coltrane, and So-So Def Bass All-Stars (yes, I know, that's kind of un-jammer to listen to something like that) seem to make occasional returns, but no CD has equalled FII since I got it. LTE is great, but I'm sure FII is just kind of taking a break from my CD player. It will be back, probably pretty soon too. > And as for Jordan Rudess, yes, he's a great keyboardist, as evinced by LTE. > But hearing that album, I have to say I'm glad Dream Theater went with > Derek. He seems to have a bit more of a distinctive style. Rudess struck me > as having graduated from the Jens Johanssen/Tony Macalpine Institute of > Keyshredding. > I like DS. Again, I was just taking the pulse of the jam. With FII and ACOSas the only info I have on DS, I think he's pretty damn good. The band dynamic with him there produces some stuff that I love. I have no complaints about DS. As far as I'm concerned, he kick ass. On Monday, I'll get to see him shake his own ass, I imagine. -Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 14:33:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "earthblind, starbound" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: radmax Message-ID: > How much of my drive space is going to be taken up by off subject ramblings > like the above? I work 14 hour days, and barely have time to read through Winner, SRPOTW. (that's self-referential post of the week. i got it from captain nitpick, who is generally an annoying guy, but has a point when people post "Could people please only post jokes?" on rec.humor.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:31:33 -0400 From: Chris Dixon To: email_address_removed Subject: Best concert experience Message-ID: There are only 3 more days to vote for your best concert experience on Prog-Net's latest survey. Besides looking for the most commonly listed band or show, I am curious to see which show makes me the most jealous. DT with echolyn opening comes to mind... Prog-Net is: http://www.isminternet.com/prognet/ "Reviews and opinions about Progressive Music" Thanks, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 98 15:45:06 EST5EDT From: "Rafaloff, Ryan " To: email_address_removed Subject: MP3 to Wav Message-ID: Greetings, Can anyone recommend a reliable Win95 utility to convert MP3's to Wav format. Anything besides Wave Convert? Thanks, -Raf- ================================== "Sometimes, the anguish we survive, And the mysteries we nurture, Are the fabrics of our lives..." Lines in the Sand - Dream Theater ================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:45:05 -0700 From: Rob Jurado To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Muff Daddy and Celine Dion Message-ID: > Okay. Time to cast some stones at Puff Daddy. > From: Damon Fibraio > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: A disgrace... > > I have to comment on this. When I first heard Puff Daddy, I was furious. > That I'll be Missing You song totally pissed me off. Then i saw Sting sing > with puff on that song and I thought to myself that he must hate this to > no end. Then I read an article in Rolling Stone that Sting didn't > particularily mind that his songs were being pillaged by rap artists. > I don't really agree with sampling, as I'm sure most people here would.However, I have been introduced to some things as a result of sampling. More scrupulous rap artists seem to credit original artists. That gives me the exposure to other artist that I might not have checked out before. With regards to Sting's attitude about sampling: If I were an artist like Sting that got sampled by a rap artist, I really wouldn't give a damn. Sample me, but give me mad props. I want to have credit. Have me sing what you sampled when you perform for eMpTyV. Have me appear in your video. Pay me. I wouldn't give a damn if you sampled. Just give me a cut. $$$$$ That way you make me some money while you line your pockets. I deserve the advertising. I deserve the royalties. I also think it's kind of fun when I'm listening to Ice Cube and I recognize a Steely Dan sample from the Royal Scam album. It is kind of sad that sometimes I don't check to see where the sample is from and I hear the original song like hearing the Isley Bros. "Footsteps in the Dark" after hearing it sampled in Cube's "Today was a Good Day", or whatever it's called. Of course, most fools out there who have no sense of music history (I'm talking rock/pop here.) probably wouldn't check to see what the original song is. That also is sad. It doesn't just pertain to rap fans, though. I was in a guitar/music shop in Poughkeepsie. I heard some proto-Beavis play the intro to "Voodoo Chile (a Slight Return)" for his proto-Butthead buddy. Here's an approximation of the dialog. p-Beavis: Hey...check this out. p-Butthead: What's that? p-Beavis: It's Stevie Ray, man. me: [whispered under breath] Oh me gorshk, Olive Oyl! Get me outta here!! Okay, maybe he was intentionally covering the Stevie Ray Vaughn version rather than Hendrix'. Somehow, I doubt that. > However who really knows? If you listen to every puff song around, and I > have, because my cousing and youngest brother have no taste, he steals > from everybody without shame or even credit half the time. I think it's > disgusting that kids think Sting is that guy who sang with Puff Daddy. and > that I'll be missing you might actually be, to some uneducated fuck, the > original. People might not actually know of Every Breath you Take by the > Police. Did you know that Puffy also samples music from Rocky? And now, > Led Zeplin. Maybe they shot the wrong rapper? Puff Daddy sucks. I agree. His rip-off tendencies are a detriment to thelegacy of both R&B and the non-R&B stuff that he samples. Come to think of it, I think that he's only sampling non-R&B stuff judging from what has been recently released. I do think that he has done some nice work as a producer, though. Work with Mariah Carey on a track from her new album is fine with me. Work with Faith Evans was pretty cool in my book. I rather he produce instead of rap and sample. Not to say that he hasn't sampled with those he has produced. > I don't know, it makes me > ill. I am waiting for them to start raping Geneiss, Yes, ELP, DT, and > Rush. And folks, dance music is no better. You take any hit out today and > turn it into a dance song, regardless. That titanic song became a dance > number in a month. anything for a hit. That song was actually a beautiful > song, and they had to slap a dance fucking beat behind it. Ruined the > context, the meaning, and the emotion of the song. I hate dance. You know, I doubt that we'll ever hear sampled prog, but you never know.It's too cool in our books, too musically awesome for your average, everyday top-40 listener to get it. Puff Daddy, being the consummate music industry businessman would probably understand that at some level. So I don't think you have to worry. Regarding Celine Dion. I hate Celine Dion. Just thought I'd say that. I'd like the Titanic song if it weren't for her. I heard a friend of mine play the song (instrumental version) on the piano. I thought it was beautiful. I suppose my aversion to Celine Dion clouded my judgment. Enough Celine Dion comments for now. > I hate > rap. The only rap I respect is old school. I remember the days when > Run/DMC actually had a guitar player with them and the dude from aerosmith > singing on their album. LL cool J still kicks ass. Has anybody ever heard > his recent song, the ripper strikes back, where he is tearing into another > rapper? He is so funny, I just had to laugh. probably the only rap song I > like. Andyway, I digress. Fuck rap. I would agree that old school stuff kicks the butt of the new crrrraaaaap.The best artists are the ones who have been around for a long time. The thing I like better is the R&B where samples are not used. I like when there are real instruments being played by people like Me'Shell NdegeOcello, D'angelo, and some others. D'angelo is just the smoothest on the keys. Prince also comes to mind as one who plays his own instruments and writes his own stuff. I guess my point here is that jokers like Muff Daddy kind of obscure some of the cooler stuff going on in traditionally African-American music styles. I hate him for that stuff, but I thank him for my Faith Evans album. Just my 200 cents. -Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:51:00 -0700 From: Rob Jurado To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Rap lyrics Message-ID: email_address_removed wrote: > Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:17:25 -0400 (EDT) > From: Damon Fibraio > To: Multiple recipients of list > > If you ever listen to the lyrics of any rap song today, the tune is always > more money more money and more money. Whatever they can do to make a buck. > Well...I don't agree. You forgot, "Do me". You also forgot, "I'll do you likeno one's ever done you before." ;) -Rob ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3886 **************************