YTSEJAM Digest 3885 Today's Topics: 1) In defense of part of the east coast by "Metzger, Mark" 2) rap disgrace by Joe DeAngelo 3) Re: Joe DeA about our rap-influenced world by The Working Man 4) Re: In defense of part of the east coast by Al Balkiewicz 5) What the YtseJam is made of.... by "Giannotti, Nick" 6) Live at the Marquee by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal 7) Haiku by Steve Zebrowski 8) Re: What the YtseJam is made of.... by Carlos Alfaro 9) Philly Review - Lengthy by Adam Pye 10) Re: Deftones and Puff by Christian P Kremo 11) Re: rap... by KEZCOM 12) Cincy Rocks! (MINOR SPOILER CONTENT) by "Eugene E. Szucs" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:22:59 -0400 From: "Metzger, Mark" To: "'(ytsejam)'" Subject: In defense of part of the east coast Message-ID: Tuk-Ty-Uk-chuk said: >> Seriously now... please focus your hatred upon the jammers >> in your area. You're on the east coast, right? Then say "I hate >> you east coast jammers." Then the man (boy ?) himself said: >> OK, then I reduce my hatred to east coast jammers. And now I have to break in with some bad news for all of you east coast jammers who *dont* happen to live within earshot of Boston. You would have been taken car of if you lived up here in Beantown. I guarantee it !! Damon, please further clarify that you hate all east coast jammers who dont live in the Boston area !! And, consider moving !! >> And I don't play with my wenie. Yeah, neither do I. email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:35:29 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo To: YTSEJAM Subject: rap disgrace Message-ID: > You forgot the last item in your list. You went from 5 to 2? HMMMMMM. ummm....... So I did. Oops. how about..... 1. Absolutely, positively ANYTHING but rap - Joe DeAngelo email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 20:30:14 +0100 From: The Working Man To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Re: Joe DeA about our rap-influenced world Message-ID: <98May12.173443gmt+message_id_removed.se> Joe DeAngelo wrote: > May I also explain why I HATE rap with such a passion? Thanks. > I never cared about rap before (neither liked, nor hated), because I > didn't have to hear it ALL THE TIME. > Now, almost every person I work with listens to it (90%), my girlfriend > listens to it, and probably 60-70% of my friends! I DO feel sorry for you. (No sarcasm!) > If I go to a party I have to listen to rap! In my own fucking car (if > I'm with my girlfriend) she bitches at me to "turn this fucking shit > off" (DT)! Man, I would have snatched a new girlfriend immediately. Since music is my passion, I can't stand if the person I *have to* live with have intolerance against MY opinion. Then again, am I such a freakin' ego so only MY opinion matters... guess that's why I don't have any girlfriend... noone likes prog... <:-( > Having to hear it all the time sucks I tell you! That's why the 'jam is > so cool........ a chance to talk about music that's important to ME! For me too - I am the only DT fan I know about in my home town! -------------------------------- //tHe WoRkInG mAn aka Per Pettersson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | It seems to me | | I could live my life | | A lot better than I think I am. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT M>)\^(A4/`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0!@`(````Y 0```````#H``$(@ <` M& ```$E032Y-:6-R;W-O9G0@36%I;"Y.;W1E`#$(`0V ! `"`````@`"``$$ MD 8```$```$````,`````P``, (````+``\.``````(!_P\!````.P`````` M``"!*Q^DOJ,0&9UN`-T!#U0"`````'ET71S M96IA;4!A>"YC;VT``!X``C !````!0```%--5% `````'@`#, $````/```` M>71S96IA;4!A>"YC;VT```,`%0P!`````P#^#P8````>``$P`0```!$````G M>71S96IA;4!A>"YC;VTG``````(!"S !````% ```%--5% Z651314I!34!! M6"Y#3TT``P``.0`````+`$ Z`0````(!]@\!````! ````````+8*0$$@ $` M*P```%)E.B!*;V4@1&5!(&%B;W5T(&]U# $````%````4TU4 M4 `````>`!\,`0```!D```!N=CDY-S Q0&5G>6UN+G1R86YE;6\NL"@P!0$P-4 M`@!C: K H6,%0$UA>2@@22 '0',>8&5X"PM3'G!H(7)(051%$"!R87 > M<&ET:-@@8"JP"L$C M@!-P3$R%),!((Q!424U%)3_G+;\NSP>P;W";`R AT'(V02H1('D(8#XN*E U4".P"L H\'-M_"$I0 L<.R!M M.<\ZWT9/]DD_,"&09QY@,*$D$@`@7R%R,%8WI#"2(S$A)+!)KP.@./$U8 .@ M9B/0:PN ?F _(X 1L >1*[ X MX#"#(G3["'!,H6@$`$WG4Y C@$[O)T__40\_(&8B*E!$5-XI/_]!#UI#(5!N M*T VXLQU;"DP,%-S;BNP5 '?*3$H@0?@.2@Q$&T'@"_@5RNQ/H!#T%,+@&,= MT&WY+&!I8S$0!" X\20U7++_*/ P$A

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Message-ID: <4AA929543BC8D111A4E800600808ACE524B802@HAMSXHA2> >From: "radmax" >Subject: re: Yste????jam or everybody else in sight > >How much of my drive space is going to be taken up by off subject ramblings >like the above? >Meanwhile, I'ld LIKE to hear about Prog in general, opinions and things >technical and not-so-technical....but PLEASE no more 'just cause you're >blind does'nt mean you can't be expected to spell rite'? BULLSHIT!!! Life >is TOO short to go around wasting EVERYBODIES TIME putting other people down >(a PERFECT person wouldn't HAVE to cast the first stone). In other words >"GROW UP PEOPLE" no matter how old you really are! >TEMPUT FUGITS.....CARPE DIEM (TIME FLIES..... Cry me a river. You don't like the topics? There's a neat little button called 'page down' that I use every weekend when I come into work and have 14 jams waiting for me. It's a great invention that lets me skip over the things I don't want to read, like, "Hey, anyone going to the California show?" type stuff (since I live in Boston, MA - no offense to all the Cali jammers here), or "SPOILERS!!". Don't expect a list of 1000+ people to cater to your every whim, and don't expect to get anywhere with a shitty attitude. Nicholas Giannotti "Save the whales - collect the whole set." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:44:04 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal To: ytsejam Subject: Live at the Marquee Message-ID: Hey guys This might (i m sure it has already been) already been discussed, but here i go anyway: Why in hell did DT put out LatM with only 6 songs in it? They could have squeezed at least 2 more songs they did in the same show, couldn t they? I love the damn album, but it definetly doesnt give a good impression of a kick ass live band like DT, who usually bust their asses in the stage for 2 and a half hours........several times a year.......... Mauricio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:43:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: Haiku Message-ID: > If I got all the studio albums, > is it a wise decision to buy > Live at the Marquee? > (In other words: Does it show > DT from its best side?) > And what the hell is LTE? Please stop sending posts In a form such as Haiku-- It is annoying. :D Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:05:51 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: What the YtseJam is made of.... Message-ID: Giannotti, Nick wrote: > >From: "radmax" > >Subject: re: Yste????jam or everybody else in sight > > > >How much of my drive space is going to be taken up by off subject ramblings > >like the above? > > > > >Meanwhile, I'ld LIKE to hear about Prog in general, opinions and things > >technical and not-so-technical....but PLEASE no more 'just cause you're > >blind does'nt mean you can't be expected to spell rite'? BULLSHIT!!! Life > >is TOO short to go around wasting EVERYBODIES TIME putting other people > down > >(a PERFECT person wouldn't HAVE to cast the first stone). In other words > >"GROW UP PEOPLE" no matter how old you really are! > >TEMPUT FUGITS.....CARPE DIEM (TIME FLIES..... > > Cry me a river. You don't like the topics? There's a neat little button > called 'page down' that I use every weekend when I come into work and have > 14 jams waiting for me. It's a great invention that lets me skip over the > things I don't want to read, like, "Hey, anyone going to the California > show?" type stuff (since I live in Boston, MA - no offense to all the Cali > jammers here), or "SPOILERS!!". Don't expect a list of 1000+ people to cater > to your every whim, and don't expect to get anywhere with a shitty attitude. > > Nicholas Giannotti > "Save the whales - collect the whole set." Yep.. he can also either : unsub completely from the list... or change into ack mode, when he gets his 65-100 or so emails at the end of the day, sort everything by topic ( if you are using Winblows most mail programs do this ) and erase every msg with topics you dont care for, without having to page down on the whole digest. In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:25:55 -0400 From: Adam Pye To: email_address_removed Subject: Philly Review - Lengthy Message-ID: Sup folks? Alright... The YtseCrew from Atlanta (ended up being only Paul Cashman and myself) left around 7:00pm on Friday night for the ass-numbing 12-13 hour drive to Philadelphia to see our boys at the Electric Factory. After crashing at 5:00am Saturday morning at a rest stop in Virginia we arrived at our hotel around 11:30am. We decided to take a look at the venue since we couldn't get a room until noon, so we headed towards downtown. Now, while the Electric Factory was easy to find, the way back to our hotel was not. We ended up in Jersey - the land of no left turns. Grrrr... After much hair pulling and teeth gnashing we stumbled our way back to the hotel where we called and left a message for Syrinx and made a 5pm wake up call (the operator got a chuckle out of that) so we could take a nap before the madness began later that night. After talking to Syrinx and making arrangements to meet, we headed out about 6pm. When we got there at 6:30 (doors at 8:30) there was already a pretty substantial line outside the Factory, which was promising. Less promising was the fact that after we got our tickets and backstage passes from willcall we were separated into a guys and girls line by a guy who looked like all he needed for a good time was a garden hose, two toothpicks, and some mayonaise. He donned the rubber gloves, executed the body cavity search, and we were in! The venue was much larger than I expected. I heard outside that it held 3800 people, and while I'm not sure if that's true, it was at least 3000. We ended up dead center in the second "row" of what seemed like the almost sold-out Factory... Full on the Mouth opened, and ordinarily that's all I'd say about this virtually talentless band, but something bothered me during their set. People were _really_ giving them a hard time and while the lead singer DID look strikingly like Sammy Hagar, all the ragging and yelling were totally unnecessary. People were making fun of their music and calling them names with them right there on the stage, and you could tell the singer was bothered a bit by it. It was funny for a minute, but Jesus, these guys are up there playing as well as they can and doing what alot of people in the crowd did was simply immature and childish. Paul Cashman brought up a great point during trip. He mentioned that DT might get some of the same treatment at the DP/ELP tour shows - and he's right. I don't give a damn how much you don't like a band. When they're up there doing the best they can leave them alone - ie, grow the fuck up. Alright. After all the studio demos and "ROOOOOOOOOOOSTER!!!" DT took the stage and played about the same set they played at Irving Plaza the night before. I was worried a bit about James' voice since it was the third of three shows in a row, but damn was I pleasantly surprised. They opened with ACOS I/II and moved into JLMB. The highlight of the first part of the show, however, was Take the Time. Mike, as he has previously, sang the opening lines and then James came in with "Time for a Change" and hit it better than I've heard him do since the I&W tour. The extended Freebird jam at the end was really spectacular and the guys really looked like they were having a good time. Later in the show I caught a thrown drumstick, along with 20 other people. After ripping it out of their hands I realized that I'd collected someone's eyeball on the tip. I tossed it on the floor, wiped the stick off on a passerby's shirt, and I was good to go. Other highlight of the show included Speak to Me, Portnoy drumming on everything in sight (monitors, stage floor, mics, etc) and then having a fan play with him. Caught in a Web was a surprise - I've thought recently that it's the best heavy track from Awake from a lyrical standpoint. Lie with Derek and Portnoy tossing sticks at eachother was amusing. Peruvian Skies with Have a Cigar in the middle was a great touch, and there was a bit of Enter Sandman somewhere in there (don't remember which song). Trial of Tears was excellent and James was right on again. The Metrop > LTL > ACOS VII encore was, again, spectacular. The only disappointment in the show (tho' they were incredibly minor) were the lack of Scarred or Voices. However, I got to see both in Atlanta in December, so it really didn't matter. This was by far the best show I've ever seen - blows the Atlanta show away. They get tighter everytime I hear them and as they grow more and more accustomed to the new stuff they seem to be able to really flow well from song to song and have a great time doing so. After the show a bunch of Jammers met at the front of the floor and everyone seemed really cool. It was great meeting Mike (Syrinx), Chris, Shawn, Vanessa, and several other people who I feel bad about forgetting. Everyone was really cool and outgoing. Now, the best part - backstage. There were probably 20-25 people with backstage passes. We were herded into a surprisingly nice conference-type room with (Thank the Light), a water cooler. I hadn't had a drink since about 5:30pm, so I was pretty parched. After a little while the band members starting coming in one by one to say hello. I was really surprised at the time they took to talk with us. James (who claims he's getting rid of the 'stache and possibly going the goatee route), Mike and JP stayed for about 20 minutes each talking - though they were all there at different times. It was a really cool atmosphere. Alot of the people there were Jammers and so knew how to handle themselves around their favorite artists. There was no fawning and no begging for autographs, just chatting like normal people, and it was great. Mike had his little girl with him, along with his wife, and he seemed willing to shoot the shit all night, but family beckoned and he needed to go. After about an hour backstage the bouncers for the Factory (the nicest and most professional I've ever seen) asked us to leave, so we headed out towards the tourbus. I got Mike to sign the stick I caught there and he made sure he had my email, etc... A class act all around. The only problem I had backstage was with Derek. He came in to see Vanessa and ignored everyone else. People were telling him how much they enjoyed the show and he didn't even glance at them. He did this in Atlanta too, so I'm not all that keen on him. Like Syrinx said at Denny's at 3:00am after the show, "I'm not anti-Derek, I'm just pro-Kevin." I've gotta agree on that point... The drive back to Atlanta wasn't quite as bad as the drive up, simply because it was in the daytime (mostly) and we'd had a few hours sleep beforehand. It DID rain the whole fuckin' trip, which was pretty obnoxious, but seeing DT was worth all the trials and tribulations. :) ****** The most important thing to remember about this excursion, however, is this. Syrinx is da man, Chris is da man, Paul is da man, and Adam is REALLY da man - but Mike Portnoy is 'DA SHIT. :) Thanks, Mike, for a great show and your generosity. I hope I didn't bore anyone, but I've got one more thing to say. If ANYONE has a tape of this show PLEASE get in touch with me. I've got plenty to trade and should be getting the whole Japanese run in the next couple of weeks, so I'd appreciate any help in this. Take care all, and if you have to travel halfway around the world, _go see this show_. __________________________________________________ Adam Pye (Alpine/Alpineone/Alpione) alpineone(-at-)mindspring.com ICQ: 9382967 http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone/tapelist.html ^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:26:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Christian P Kremo To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Deftones and Puff Message-ID: > NOTICE: if you've heard that Deftones song.. where the guy is screaming > SHAAAAAARK!!! or something... the guitar riff sounds like the same one from > near the beginning of ACOS. Except that they repeat it about a million > times... can we say monotonous (can we spell it?) ? Wow, I thought I was the only who noticed that. I'm sure it's just a coincidence. I really like the Deftones though. He screams a lot but he is pretty good singer when he actually sings. And to another annoying factor to the whole Puffy thread, I was at the local newstand checking out the new magazines, and who did I see on the cover of Wolf Marshall's Guitar One: you guessed it, Puff. On the cover of a guitar magazine. It was because of his involvement with Dave Grohl. They even have a song transcribed in there. Oh, and the lyrics are real high-class stuff too. Made me wanna gag. Anyways, hope to see some of y'all at the the Detroit Rock City show tonight. Ciao. -C# ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:31:38 EDT From: KEZCOM To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: rap... Message-ID: In a message dated 98-05-12 11:34:10 EDT, Joe wrote: << In my own fucking car (if I'm with my girlfriend) she bitches at me to "turn this fucking shit off" (DT)! >> DUMP HER! DUMP HER! DUMP HER! That relationship is doomed. Get her outta' here. You'll thank me for this one day. Kez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:44:25 -0400 From: "Eugene E. Szucs" To: Subject: Cincy Rocks! (MINOR SPOILER CONTENT) Message-ID: <000a01bd7dc5$38bece60$8f82430c@gene> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BD7DA3.B1AD2E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Definetely a GREAT show, and my ears are feeling it now! As a Cincy native I got down to the club at around 3:00 in the afternoon just to hang out, to bad the band didn't turn out till around 5:00! Anyhow, met some great fans, no Ytsejammers suprisingly (although there were a TON of people from Indy!)! I was Mike P's first drum solo victim on the snare, which was a complete blast, even though I'm a guitar player (don't tell him that)! I would REALLY like a copy of that show if anyone recorded it! I think my free form drumming with Mike went well, although during the Simon Says bit I kind of lost myself there at the end with teh finale, so for that I apologize! Still, I wouldn't take it back for anything in the world, even if my ears are suffering permanent damage since I was right in the way of John P's rig! Too bad there wasn't a meet and greet after the show, I guess the boys were just too tired, although I don't think Derick ever went backstage after the show, I bumped into him at the merchandise booth, which was just a continuation of when we met when he pulled up and asked me where the club was as we were standing right in front of it! Cool guy! Well, that's all from Cincy., I've had three hours sleep (sleeping w/my Portnoy Pro-marks and Petrucci's Jazz 3), and my ears are absolutely screwed (figures the ONE show I don't have plugs at) - So, for everyone that I didn't meet but really wanted to, here's to next time! -gene ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BD7DA3.B1AD2E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Definetely a GREAT show, and my ears are = feeling it=20 now!  As a Cincy native I got down to the club at around 3:00 in = the=20 afternoon just to hang out, to bad the band didn't turn out till around=20 5:00!  Anyhow, met some great fans, no Ytsejammers suprisingly = (although=20 there were a TON of people from Indy!)!  I was Mike P's first drum = solo=20 victim on the snare, which was a complete blast, even though I'm a = guitar player=20 (don't tell him that)!  I would REALLY like a copy of that show if = anyone=20 recorded it!  I think my free form drumming with Mike went well, = although=20 during the Simon Says bit I kind of lost myself there at the end with = teh=20 finale, so for that I apologize!  Still, I wouldn't take it back = for=20 anything in the world, even if my ears are suffering permanent damage = since I=20 was right in the way of John P's rig!   Too bad there wasn't a = meet=20 and greet after the show, I guess the boys were just too tired, although = I don't=20 think Derick ever went backstage after the show, I bumped into him at = the=20 merchandise booth, which was just a continuation of when we met when he = pulled=20 up and asked me where the club was as we were standing right in front of = it!  Cool guy!  Well, that's all from Cincy., I've had three = hours=20 sleep (sleeping w/my Portnoy Pro-marks and Petrucci's Jazz 3), and my = ears are=20 absolutely screwed (figures the ONE show I don't have plugs at) - So, = for=20 everyone that I didn't meet but really wanted to, here's to next=20 time!
 
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