YTSEJAM Digest 3884 Today's Topics: 1) i hate aol by Madsag 2) Re: rap by Haje Jan Kamps 3) Petrucci in guitarist by Graham Borland 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3883 by "Matt Halloran" 5) Cincy *SPOILERS* by Dan Temmesfeld 6) Live at the Marquee? by Andreas Hult 7) re: Yste????jam or everybody else in sight by "radmax" 8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3883 by Eckie 9) b-day fan club by EricD91011 10) In Defense of Myself by "Giannotti, Nick" 11) Which one is Pink? by "Rafaloff, Ryan " 12) Re: earplugs by KEZCOM 13) This is of no interest by The Working Man 14) Re: Happy Birthday Lisa Marie ! by The iban 15) Tales of Yesterday by "Robert O'Doherty" 16) Rik Emmit at Jaxx(No DTC) by KEZCOM 17) Spock's Beard shipped.......radmax complained by KEZCOM 18) DT show by Joe DeAngelo 19) Rudess by Pat Daugherty 20) rap... by Joe DeAngelo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:43:34 EDT From: Madsag To: email_address_removed Subject: i hate aol Message-ID: if someone could fwd me jam # 3883 i would love you forever. ok, at least for like a day or something. aol ate it again. i thought it finally stopped pulling that shit too. steve case must be puff daddy's biggest fan or something thanks a lot guys. ~melissa~ email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 07:14:11 -0400 From: Haje Jan Kamps To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: rap Message-ID: >Yeah, I could probably compose a rap song, I agree on this one.. I could, and have made a rap song once. >but I doubt I could compose a good rap song. Then again... I have yet to HEAR a good rap song... :) Haje Jan +---------------------+ | Haje Jan Kamps | +-------------------+---------------------+ | http://home.sol.no/~lrovers/haje/ | +-----------------------------------------+ |I'm through just getting by | |Countless times a friend has told me | |Watch out for the wave | |Now it seems the sea will be my grave | |And still you swim to save me | |Even though the water is much colder now | | | |Dream Theater: Don`t look past me | +-----------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:24:35 +0100 (BST) From: Graham Borland To: YtseJam Subject: Petrucci in guitarist Message-ID: British jammers, the June edition of Guitarist has an interview with Petrucci. Graham -- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 06:32:24 -0300 From: "Matt Halloran" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3883 Message-ID: <002e01bd7d88$e191e0a0$message_id_removed> > >Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 12:45:15 +0100 >From: The Working Man >To: "'email_address_removed'" >Subject: Re: Matej and Anouk >Message-ID: <98May12.094935gmt+message_id_removed.se> > > >> Leave the rap for rappers, enjoy prog if that`s what makes you happy. I >> wish sometimes there was more musical tolerance among the >> jammers. (I just bought Anouk`s CD and like it very >> much..anyone have a problem with it?) > >Oh yeah, you bet we have! I have just begun to hate you - with all of my heart and soul. > >Nah, I'm just kidding... or am I? > >Greets, > >-------------------------------- > >//tHe WoRkInG mAn > aka Per Pettersson > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >| It seems to me | >| I could live my life | >| A lot better than I think I am. | >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3883 ************************** I am sorry..but on this digest at least mine their was no ending.... I just needed some closure....I couldn't handle the suspense anymore........It's like I am watching 'Friends' and I am like you know so obsessed cuz Like you know it was one of them gnarly cliffhanger shows, ya know,,,,and so I can't like you know deal with more than one suspenseful item at a time.....I am like soooo sawryyy to waste this space but you know like I had to like get some piece of mind and stuff ya know.......(snap snap)...*that was bubblegum*.....well like anyways I am like totally out of here and stuff...ooo RAD.... Matt Halloran ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hah...I got more squigglies than Eckie....and mine is much longer........ohh and it is after my name, unlike that really cliche' squiggly before thing.......:) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 01:47:47 -0400 From: Dan Temmesfeld To: email_address_removed Subject: Cincy *SPOILERS* Message-ID: mike, john, john, james, and derek "the rock star"- you all rule!!!! ==================================================================== well, no UaGM, ANM, Scarred, Ytsejam, Voices...like in Columbus in Oct... but they added TTT, Lie, Paradigm Shift (from LTE), CiaW, LtL, ToT... great show!!!! they had a lot of teasers, like "Freebird" and "Hot for Teacher," plus Pink Floyd and Metallica teasers during Peruvian Skies. excellent. derek's intro to LitS was longer, and cooler than last time. also, the end of PMU, they sang "Pull My Finger." also, i liked Portnoy's drum solo better this time, and he got the crowd into it, really. he brought a drum out to the crowd. and the end/encore was a Metrop/LtL/ACOS medley... Later, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 13:51:53 +0200 From: Andreas Hult To: email_address_removed Subject: Live at the Marquee? Message-ID: If I got all the studio albums, is it a wise decision to buy Live at the Marquee? (In other words: Does it show DT from its best side?) And what the hell is LTE? Sincerly, Andy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:32:43 -0500 From: "radmax" To: Subject: re: Yste????jam or everybody else in sight Message-ID: <002d01bd7daa$72700c20$51c694cd@default> 9) Re: Saviour Machine 3) how puff daddy and jimmy page made me nauseous 2) Re: Buckshot LeFonque, Ben Folds 13) Vito is a putz 3) Rick Wakeman 4) A Mistake, Pink Floyd, Genesis yada yada yada (sorry!) How much of my drive space is going to be taken up by off subject ramblings like the above? I work 14 hour days, and barely have time to read through the real e-mail. Now when I get 6+ jams a day filled with useless ramblings, endless taunts, arguments over 'how much better Floyd is', and how MP/DT is a sellout just cause they want to earn a decent living ('nuff said to THAT 'serious' a-hole).... I ALMOST want to get off the jam. Who gives a RATS ASS about SNL or PUFF DADDY SHIT FOR BRAINS? I DON'T!!! This is SUPPOSED to be a newsletter for FANS of DT and SIMILAR bands to voice views and news. I'm NOT saying you all can't have differing taste and appreciate other forms of music. But I for one, and several others that I know of, want THIS forum to stay true to what it is called YTSEJAM....NOT ' Various things that everyone (who just happens to like DT) likes.' Can we PLEASE trim the activity down to PROG news and views. This trash had gotten so thick in recent weeks (meaning I had quite even reading the subject headings) that I didn't even know about the NY and Philly shows until it was too late to get to them (ah well, so much for seeing DT this tour... the life of a road warrior!!!) If I don't float away from all the rain here in the wilds of PA, maybe I'll be lucky and get to see them sometime in the fall. Meanwhile, I'ld LIKE to hear about Prog in general, opinions and things technical and not-so-technical....but PLEASE no more 'just cause you're blind does'nt mean you can't be expected to spell rite'? BULLSHIT!!! Life is TOO short to go around wasting EVERYBODIES TIME putting other people down (a PERFECT person wouldn't HAVE to cast the first stone). In other words "GROW UP PEOPLE" no matter how old you really are! TEMPUT FUGITS.....CARPE DIEM (TIME FLIES..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 05:45:38 -0700 From: Eckie To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3883 Message-ID: Matt Halloran must have visited Mexico recently: *that was bubblegum*.....well like anyways I am like totally out of > here and stuff...ooo RAD.... > > Matt Halloran ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Hah...I got more squigglies than Eckie....and mine is much longer........ohh > and it is after my name, unlike that really cliche' squiggly before > thing.......:) Please, save our poor, young college students from a fate like Matt's. The Finals Season is upon us, and all we ask is for $5 a day to keep our students at least grasping to the edges of sanity with their pinkies. Only you can make a difference. Pick up the phone now. ~Eckie ain't had sleep in over an hunnnnnnnnnndred years P.S.- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(Sorry Damon, he challenged my squiggly-ness) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ P.P.S.- Oh, like this isn't the first useless post you've read in the past two weeks! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:57:27 EDT From: EricD91011 To: email_address_removed Subject: b-day fan club Message-ID: I received a package with a card and pin as well. Pretty impressive and a nice gesture for all the fans. -Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:02:37 -0400 From: "Giannotti, Nick" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: In Defense of Myself Message-ID: <4AA929543BC8D111A4E800600808ACE524B7EA@HAMSXHA2> I once wrote, >The difference is that Petrucci would probably have a drummer re-record >the >drums, a bassist re-record the bass, and a keyboardis re-record the >keys. >Then he'd have a producer and an engineer in the booth tweaking the >knobs. >Puff gets one of those vocal-eliminators that radio stations use and >then >sings over it. > >Doing a cover is a tribute to a band, IMO. What Puff is doing is raping >the song. Then, Matt Grginic replied, >I VERY much doubt that that`s the way PD does his business, if u know >this for a fact then say so, don`t just ASSUME and make PD look like >some musical idiot who`s stealing other people`s stuff and putting his >label on it. Also I thing you and a couple of other simmilar fellas here >are in no position to judge objectively because you are obviously >heavily under rap prejudice. Leave the rap for rappers, enjoy prog if >that`s what makes you happy. I wish sometimes there was more musical >tolerance among the jammers. (I just bought Anouk`s CD and like it very >much..anyone have a problem with it?) Maybe that's not the way PD does his business, and you are correct in stating that I assumed, which was wrong of me. You then, however, blow your whole email to shit by ASSUMING that me 'and a couple of other simmilar fellas here are in no position to judge objectively.' Who clued you in to what my musical preferences were? How do you know that I don't like rap/hip-hop/R&B? For the record, Matt, I do like rap. Not all of it, but then, I don't like all prog, but I don't think that makes me a bad jammer. And as far as wishing there was more musical tolerance among the jammers: I'll put money on it that you'd have to search long and hard to find a more musically tolerant or appreciative group out there on the Internet. I'm constantly impressed with the level of appreciation that the people on this list have for a wide variety of musical styles, and have broadened my horizons with recommendations from them - people I have never met, but whose judgement I trust. Nicholas Giannotti JointSTARS Contracts email_address_removed "Save the whales - collect the whole set." P.S. Damon - your 'you sighted fucks' email had me hysterical. I'm printing it and mailing it to you to sign so I can put it on my wall. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 98 09:11:38 EST5EDT From: "Rafaloff, Ryan " To: email_address_removed Subject: Which one is Pink? Message-ID: I"M WITH GRAHM!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP catering to this guys crap...just stop. I am still on a high from the Irving Plaza show, and I don't want to be brought into a dark Floyd funk with all of this. A lot of Floyd tunes do that to me. I've realized that most PF tunes tend to make me feel depressed. But that band will always have a special place inside me. BUT Dream THeater always puts a smile on my face. It gives me energy. Whatever, this whole message is getting weird. Can we please save the PF talk for the PF lists. Thanks very much. I'm, sure I'm not alone on this one. Later All, -Raf- BTW, everyone should go get the LTE disc. It's soooo cool. This CD has shown me why J. Rudess could probably never fit into DT. ================================== "Sometimes, the anguish we survive, And the mysteries we nurture, are the fabrics of our lives..." Lines in the Sand - Dream Theater ================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 09:15:16 EDT From: KEZCOM To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: earplugs Message-ID: In a message dated 98-05-11 23:54:23 EDT, you write: << Anyway, on the one thread that I have an opinion on, I would say to get a pair of Sonic II earplugs, to the person who was asking. I got mine for like $12-$15 at a music store, and they do a really good job, filtering about evenly, as opposed tho the foam ones, which let in way too much bass, and little of anything else, IMO. >> These are the exact models that I wore at the Daytona's show, and it took 5 days to get my full hearing back. They were highly recommended, but I found them wholly inadequate. Granted, the sound during the show was much better than with the foam type, and there was none of the painful screeching that comes with over-amplification in a small club, but the 5 days of postshow ear- ringing just weren't worth it. I'm going back to foam. I sure wish that there were some decent size stages here in the D.C. area that OFB could play. I'm sick of missing all of the second-kit songs, and not seeing the guys being able to move around a little. Oh well, no further complaints. At least I got to see them(Sorry Damon). Last but not least, Bafu, you are the greatest! I even had my wife(who is not a 'Jammer) laughing hysterically at that 'orangutan boy' post. What a great story, better than pictures! Thanks. Kez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 18:21:59 +0100 From: The Working Man To: "'Multiple recipients of list'" Subject: This is of no interest Message-ID: <98May12.160532gmt+message_id_removed.se> I told you! Testing the Swedish charachters å ä ö Å Ä Ö Did it work? If not, I hate MS Exchange. -------------------------------- //tHe WoRkInG mAn aka Per Pettersson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | It seems to me | | I could live my life | | A lot better than I think I am. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:09:15 EDT From: The iban To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Lisa Marie ! Message-ID: BARF ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 15:14:17 +0100 From: "Robert O'Doherty" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Tales of Yesterday Message-ID: I've mentioned this one before but one of my favourite Magna Carta CDs is "Tales of Yesterdays - Yes Tribute". It's an ideal album to use as a springboard into the whole Yes scene - I personally have difficulty with the airy-fairy vocals but many of the reworkings of classic Yes songs make the Yes' originals a lot more accessible (that's not a bad thing). I have heard this mentioned a few times about this album so I'm not alone. Anyone interested in checking out Yes' music should stick this album near the top of your shopping list. Just a thought, Rob. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:13:25 EDT From: KEZCOM To: email_address_removed Subject: Rik Emmit at Jaxx(No DTC) Message-ID: I just checked the Jaxx calendar(www.jaxxroxx.com) and saw that former Triumph guitarist Rik Emmitt will be appearing June 5th, as well as Savatage on June 19th. Any other Triumph fans out there? I will definitely be at these 2 shows, and was wondering if any other D.C. area 'jammers would be interested in attending. BE THERE(or be someplace else), Kez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:24:49 EDT From: KEZCOM To: email_address_removed Subject: Spock's Beard shipped.......radmax complained Message-ID: Hey all, Just wanted to let you all know that I just got shipping confirmation from Music Blvd. on my Spock's Beard 'The Kindness of Strangers'. Ordered on April 30th, shipped on May 12th. Not too shabby, and with a $15 discount to boot. I can't wait to finally here what all the fuss is about. Sorry for no DTC, radmax, but I like the list the way it is, and I think the majority of 'jammers do, also. If you don't, I will send the directions for unsubscribing. Ytse on Garth, Kez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:37:32 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo To: YTSEJAM Subject: DT show Message-ID: Hey guys, What's the best way to get autographs/pictures etc. after the show? After the show, just leave and go around back? How long after the show do the guys usually come out? Thanks is advance, - Joe DeAngelo email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 10:42:05 -0400 From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: Rudess Message-ID: I was looking in the Magna Carta catalog that came with my LTE and they are still saying "Jordan Rudess (Dream Theater)". So he played one gig or whatever, does that make him formerly of DT? I guess that means John Arch is formerly of DT and Fates... NP:Peter Gabriel-Secret World Live -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email : email_address_removed | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |===================================================================| | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" -- X-Files | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 11:17:29 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo To: YTSEJAM Subject: rap... Message-ID: I said..... >> I agree absolutely 100& with every word of Damon's post. Rap is really >> ridiculous bullshit. I don't even consider it music, and I think the >> fact that it's so popular speaks volumes on how ignorant the general >> populous of the U.S. is. Mr. Ptacek said.... > Yeah. Prog is ridiculous bullshit too. All those dudes with all > that hair, screaming like little girls and playing guitar as fast as > they can. At least they PLAY INSTRUMENTS, unlike "rap aritsts" *LOL*..... rap artists....... heheheh. > All those time signature changes just to make it > impossible to really groove on, and to make sure they show us who > knows more about how to write a hard riff. > Come on. Anyone who puts down a complete genre of music as > bullshit is a fucking shithead. I guess I'm a shithead then....... Seriously though, I admit I should have added a big ol' ---IMO--- after my statements. (and I AM entitled to my OWN opinion, aren't I?) May I also explain why I HATE rap with such a passion? Thanks. I never cared about rap before (neither liked, nor hated), because I didn't have to hear it ALL THE TIME. Now, almost every person I work with listens to it (90%), my girlfriend listens to it, and probably 60-70% of my friends! The ONLY time I can ever listen to my own damn music (DT, Savatage, SG, PF etc.) Is when I'm by myself! If I go to a party I have to listen to rap! In my own fucking car (if I'm with my girlfriend) she bitches at me to "turn this fucking shit off" (DT)! I can't hold a decent conversation with anyone about rock music (much less PROG). They'd much rather chat about Puff Daddy, or Tupac (or 2pac, or however the hell he spells it), or the new Busta Rhymes CD! Having to hear it all the time sucks I tell you! That's why the 'jam is so cool........ a chance to talk about music that's important to ME! Okay, I'm done ranting....... Thanks, Joe DeAngelo p.s. sorry if I offended you Chris ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3884 **************************