YTSEJAM Digest 3881 Today's Topics: 1) Re: Rap disgrace by Damon Fibraio 2) Re: earplugs.... by Damon Fibraio 3) "DT selling out (HAHA)"& taste in music by Matej Grginic 4) Re: Irving and Derek by CETEC Area 5 5) Re: Philly show by CETEC Area 5 6) Re: Jimmy Page and Puff Daddy by CETEC Area 5 7) Re: Bible-ography by CETEC Area 5 8) Re: Puff Daddy by Matej Grginic 9) Re: List-server for musicians. by Damon Fibraio 10) Working Man and Neil Peart by "Kurt Kober" 11) RE: Zuul & Daytona's II by Edwin Voras 12) Re: Choco-Bliss by Damon Fibraio 13) Re: Philly show by graham boyle 14) Re: Jimmy Page and Puff Daddy by graham boyle 15) Re: Working Man and Neil Peart by Damon Fibraio 16) Re: Jimmy Page and Puff Daddy by Craig Griffith 17) Another Music Boulevard Discount by "Mr. Totikus" 18) Re: Bible-ography by belhai 19) Re: SF DT show by Carol Dellinger 20) Platypus, and fan club... by Michael Burstin 21) Rap is Crap? by Calvin 6S 22) Re: disgrace, Led Zeppelin remixes, etc. by Carol Dellinger ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:11:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Rap disgrace Message-ID: You forgot the last item in your list. You went from 5 to 2? HMMMMMM. -- Damon Fibraio, email_address_removed Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:13:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: earplugs.... Message-ID: Try buying your ear plugs at a music store. I bought mine there and they are great. they are actually filters that filter out the harmful frequencies of volume. they will run you about $20 but they are better than the foam ones because you will still be able to hear something. Go to your pro music store or even try a CD store. Beyond that, maybe a drug store will sell them, but I don't know. -- Damon Fibraio, email_address_removed Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:21:58 +0200 From: Matej Grginic To: email_address_removed Subject: "DT selling out (HAHA)"& taste in music Message-ID: >About the sell-out debate: > I don't think DT sold out at all btw either. What is a sell-out? As >long >as the music is good, it doesn't matter if it's commercial. And DT >isn't >even very commercial anyway. I'm REALLY tired of hearing that shit >about >FII being a sell-out. REALLY TIRED!!! The Beatles were total sell-outs >in >many ways, since they really tried to become/later stay popular, but >the >quality of their work sure didn't suffer at all. > As I've said before: Anna Lee is one of my favourite DT songs. It's >commercial - but it's brilliant. I will be disappointed if there are no >songs like that on the next DT-album. You can quote me on that :) > >Michael Karlsson *CLAP* *CLAP* about time somebody said this!! I`m sick and tired of hearing terms like "sellout, mainstream, commercial, etc.". DT are what they are, take it or leave it. I love the way the band is evolving. Stop judging the albums. If u like it cool, if u don`t, that`s your problem and don`t whine about it! I don`t like rap, but I`m not putting it down, if u like rap, be my guest and listen to it. If u don`t, don`t call it bad art or not art at all cause u`r only making an ass out of yourself! So freakin` what if PD is making remixes of you favorite artists songs. If Sting and Page agree, u`r in no position to bitch about it. It`s either you like it or you don`t (I don`t like it particulary, so what?! I`ll just choose not to listen to it). Just letting some steam out.. Mat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:05:06 -0700 (PDT) From: CETEC Area 5 To: "Rafaloff, Ryan " Subject: Re: Irving and Derek Message-ID: On Mon, 11 May 1998, Rafaloff, Ryan wrote: > > I must add to all the warm and fuzzy vibes and say that the Irving Plaza show was most certainly the best I've seen and heard of the band yet. Although I could've dealt without the nasty view of the Full on the Mouth guitarist flashing his nipple rings...blech! > I was friggin hysterical when some dude right near me in the audience yelled out "TURN OFF THE DRUM MACHINE!!!!" > (If that was you Pasqual, right on man.) > Also, I've heard many other 'jammers talking about Derek's gear, and I would like to clarify that one of the assumed Korg Trinity's that Derek was playing with is actually a new Korg Z1. You can tell, because of the knobs that stick up on along the main panel. > > And finally, did anyone else see Derek's SHIT FIT when he finished playing the TtT solo? Rather, did anyone HEAR the solo? > > Sure it was the thrid song they played, but someone should have worked out those kinks before they got that far. Man was he pissed. cussin' and waving his arms 'n' shit. Not only that, but it was getting real funny how James kept on directing the spotlight guys to focus on Derek while he played his solos. > By the way, didn't James' hair look great too? > > Next stop, Jones Beach, 8/9/98 > > Later, > > -Raf- > > ================================== > "Sometimes, the anguish we survive, > And the mysteries we nurture, > Are the fabrics of our lives..." > Lines in the Sand - Dream Theater > ================================== > > pink floyd rules pink floyd rules bob marley rules ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:06:36 -0700 (PDT) From: CETEC Area 5 To: "Paul W. Cashman" Subject: Re: Philly show Message-ID: On Mon, 11 May 1998, Paul W. Cashman wrote: > > We got back from Philly safely at about 11:10 last night (a tad less > than 12 hours including stops of c. 45 min. total -- pretty fast!) > Pretty exhausted..... I think Adam P. is cooking up a post about the > show, so I'll just say it was awesome, well-worth the drive, and it > was great to meet some Jammers for the first time (e.g., Grinder, > Pete) and see some again (e.g., Syrinx, Rob/Ibanez). I won't list > everyone because I'll forget someone. :) > > > -- > Sometimes a view from sinless eyes / Centers our perspective Paul W. Cashman > And pacifies our cries / Sometimes the anguish we survive email_address_removed > And the mysteries we nurture / Are the fabrics of our lives ICQ# 4151223 > "Lines in the Sand," Dream Theater - FALLING INTO INFINITY www.crl.com/~vanyel > > falling into shit, pink floyd rules! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:10:41 -0700 (PDT) From: CETEC Area 5 To: Craig Griffith Subject: Re: Jimmy Page and Puff Daddy Message-ID: dream sux, the real shit is pink floyd, real music with real meaning, not shit head virtuosos who take themselves more serious than shit ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:08:05 -0700 (PDT) From: CETEC Area 5 To: Chris Oates Subject: Re: Bible-ography Message-ID: pink floyd is far morethe good shit, not dm, that sux ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 23:45:02 +0200 From: Matej Grginic To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Puff Daddy Message-ID: >The difference is that Petrucci would probably have a drummer re-record >the >drums, a bassist re-record the bass, and a keyboardis re-record the >keys. >Then he'd have a producer and an engineer in the booth tweaking the >knobs. >Puff gets one of those vocal-eliminators that radio stations use and >then >sings over it. > >Doing a cover is a tribute to a band, IMO. What Puff is doing is raping >the song. I VERY much doubt that that`s the way PD does his business, if u know this for a fact then say so, don`t just ASSUME and make PD look like some musical idiot who`s stealing other people`s stuff and putting his label on it. Also I thing you and a couple of other simmilar fellas here are in no position to judge objectively because you are obviously heavily under rap prejudice. Leave the rap for rappers, enjoy prog if that`s what makes you happy. I wish sometimes there was more musical tolerance among the jammers. (I just bought Anouk`s CD and like it very much..anyone have a problem with it?) *GAAAASSSP* Mat ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:50:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: List-server for musicians. Message-ID: Matt. I am posting this publiclyt, because ... well ... because I fucked up and am too lazy to recind my post. But anyway, I would love to help in anyway I can, and I totally support this idea. The internet is a great place for people to try to put bands together. I think you'd be better off with a website for this as opposed to a listserv. -- Damon Fibraio, email_address_removed Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:52:52 -0400 From: "Kurt Kober" To: Subject: Working Man and Neil Peart Message-ID: <01bd7d27$25ae0500$message_id_removed> Hey all, I was reading an IRC transcript with Mike Portnoy today and somewhere along the line, he mentioned that he was "disappointed with Neil's reaction" to the recent Magna Rush tribute, Working Man. Does anybody out there know what that reaction was? I thought the album was pretty solid (though I've since given it away to a die-hard Rush fan I know) and I'd be curious to know what Neil's reasons for dissing it would be or what he actually said. Actually, what he actually said. KK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 14:58 -0800 (PST) From: Edwin Voras To: Ytsejam Subject: RE: Zuul & Daytona's II Message-ID: <19980511215904.OVII2485@[166.33.99.41]> Bafu Vai Wrote: >Arms. We all love 'em. I have two myself. Oranguatan decided that, hey, maybe >the glass is soundproof. Maybe it's plexi-glass. Maybe the whole bus is >insulated. Maybe what I need to do right now is BEAT THE LIVING SHIT OUT OF >THE BUS LIKE A FUCKING ORANGUATAN. And beat he did. Jump, scream, >bangbangbang!! Jump, HEEEYYY!!, whapwhapwhap!! Can you believe the people with >videocameras chose to wait for the band instead of capture this miracle of >evolution on tape? Then Wrote >Out burst an angry, portly man with a large beard. He was furious. He didn't >bother taking that last step down the bus mini-stairway to step gingerly out >into the parking lot, he just opened the door and flung himself out, landing >with a loud "HEY JERKOFF!!" That was F*%$#@* Hilarious, Almost Pissed myself! Picking myself up off the floor! Ytse on, eD ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:57:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Choco-Bliss Message-ID: Let me clarify one thing about rap. when rap first came out, it was funky, had some great ideas, and didn't have the capability to sample much more than a few seconds. What started the annoying trend of rap was MC Hammer and You can't Touch This, which based the entire song around a Rick james riff of SuperFreak. Rap has been on this bandwagon ever since. Rap has pillaged rock, and jazz, and who knows what else. Now they have gone into tv show themes like TJ hooker and Night Rider and movie music like Rocky. Fine, if the lick is good and you want to groove on it, play it yourself. I was in a rap band. Yes, I said band. There were three rappers and musicians. no drum machines, no keyboards, (except me) and no sampling. We wrote our own music. Yeah, the bass player modified some jazz riffs from others, but we were doing it ourselves. It was fun, and innovative to me, anyway. I still think some rap is OK, like Will smith, (even though Iknow he samples from somewhere, I like his lyrics), and LL cool J and stuff like that. But if they had bands behind them, they would be so awesome. R&b too. And we had disco in the 70s and once drum machines were able to put drummers out of work, we had freestyle and techno and club and all other kinds of bull. Yeah, club was fine for a while, but musically, it has stagnated, and it is boring. Now it is ltrying to remake songs from the 70s, 8-s and even the 90s. you can put a club beat to anything. I did my own experiments and make Spirit of Radio a club song. You can make other rush songs into club songs too. But is that really necessary? I would not down rap if the music had something to it. This is not computer science, it is music. Machines give no emotion. Samples make the music sounds stale. And I for one will never take part in that and I am a keyboard player and that's all we're known for anymore. I would play ina rap band again, for the experience and because I had some fun. but even if I own a sampler at that time, I will never do what puffy does. Since he had Jimmy Page with him, I guess it isn't so bad, but still, I wish he'd write something from his heart instead of taking musical ideas from others. -- Damon Fibraio, email_address_removed Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:02:40 +1000 From: graham boyle To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Philly show Message-ID: CETEC Area 5 wrote: > falling into shit, pink floyd rules! then he came back with this revaltion: >pink floyd rules >bob marley rules What is with you Mexicans, are drugs 'that' cheap down there ? :) yours in mail filters graham ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 08:12:43 +1000 From: graham boyle To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Jimmy Page and Puff Daddy Message-ID: CETEC Area 5 wrote: > dream sux, the real shit is pink floyd, real music with real meaning, not > shit head virtuosos who take themselves more serious than shit Please don't give this guy the satisfaction of a reply or a flame war. I have emailed Skadz already asking this idiot be removed. Alan, if you know this guy, please knock some sense into him. graham ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:30:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Working Man and Neil Peart Message-ID: 10th post today. woohoooo. Anyway, Peart thought that nobody should do a tribute album to them since they hadn't dispanded yet and he believes that the tribute albums should be saved for bands who have broken up. And he also made a mention to the effect that the bands on the album were glorified barbands or something. I might be wrong, and I am sure somebody could give more detail. Rush tried to have the album banned or something if I remember right. -- Damon Fibraio, email_address_removed Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:15:51 -0400 From: Craig Griffith To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Jimmy Page and Puff Daddy Message-ID: CETEC Area 5 wrote: > dream sux, the real shit is pink floyd, real music with real meaning, not > shit head virtuosos who take themselves more serious than shit Again, I hope you're kidding. We may not agree on most things, but we pretty much all agree that Dream Theater rules at least in a limited capacity. If you're not, methinks you're on the wrong list. Contrary to what one might believe, this is not the "assorted intelligent and semi-intelligent music" list. It's a Dream Theater list. If you are kidding, try using smileys to prevent such idiotic messages as mine. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 16:28:44 PDT From: "Mr. Totikus" To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: Another Music Boulevard Discount Message-ID: Sorry if this has been mentioned before. If you click on the "$10 off at Music Boulevard" link at www.excite.com or just use the following URL, http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/2855749894922489_0_main.txt you get $10 off your next order @ Music Boulevard. I have no idea how long the offer will last. Enjoy. Totikus ---------------------------------------------------------- | Totikus email_address_removed | | A Fortune In Midis - The Dream Theater Midi Page | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Underground/7767 | | "I need no warrant for being, and no word of sanction | | upon my being. I am the warrant and the sanction." | | Ayn Rand, "Anthem" | ---------------------------------------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 19:51:57 -0500 (EST) From: belhai To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Bible-ography Message-ID: On Mon, 11 May 1998, CETEC Area 5 wrote: > pink floyd is far morethe good shit, not dm, that sux Can somebody unsubscribe this guy? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 17:33:09 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: SF DT show Message-ID: Damon Fibraio wrote: > > Hey, to all you fans on the west coast. Anybody want to swing out to NJ to > pick me up for the show? :) > Damon, Just move to Cali...then you will never miss a show! -- Coldfire email_address_removed ICQ: 4656934 http://www.dreamt.org/coldfire The Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List email_address_removed Gallery of Shadows http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows/ "Fly where your dreams go...." - Crystalline Dream, Shadow Gallery ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 20:55:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin To: email_address_removed (Ytsejam Mailing List) Subject: Platypus, and fan club... Message-ID: Well, 2 cool things... first off, someone emailed me a link (the guy who did the Frank Sinatra DT) with samples from all of the Platypus tracks, located at http://www.mediusvision.com/music/platypus/ They sound really cool... very different from LTE, so don't go there expecting another LTE... Also, this was pretty cool... got home from work today, and had a package in the mail from the DTIFC... now, I hadn't heard of anything coming from them recently, so I had no idea what it was... I open it up, and find a birthday card (birthday coming up this week) signed by all of the guys and small Majesty pin in there... was pretty cool, and hadn't heard anyone else mention anything like that before... -- +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater | | will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity | | --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! | +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ Michael Burstin: email_address_removed Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 21:05:44 EDT From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: Rap is Crap? Message-ID: per graham boyle: >All rap is, is someone talking over 'someone else's' music. >Rap is not music or art, it's just fucking noise and it >requires next to no talent to 'compose' and perform this >alleged form of music/entertainment. >This is not just my opinion, this is a 'fact' what made this a fact? Don't throw around the word 'fact' too easily Yeah, I could probably compose a rap song, but I doubt I could compose a good rap song. I bet most of the jammer's can't compose a good rap song. So this means jammers have "next to no talent"? Oh well, whatever. You think rap isn't a valid form of music. I think it is. Mind you I don't INCLUDE the whole genre as music. But by the same token, people shouldn't DISCLUDE the whole genre as music ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 18:29:52 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: disgrace, Led Zeppelin remixes, etc. Message-ID: Gerbie came out of hiding: > > Anyone else have this? Comments? > > Well, that was my post for this year. Back to lurk mode until 1999. ;) OH MY GAWD!!!!!!!!!!! Run for your lives...book passage on the next space ship off this planet.....M-Bone has posted to the list! It's the 7th sign! > > [ Matthew A. Schnoor ] > [ email_address_removed ] > [ http://SpiritOne.com/~schnoor ] -- Coldfire email_address_removed ICQ: 4656934 http://www.dreamt.org/coldfire The Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List email_address_removed Gallery of Shadows http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows/ "Fly where your dreams go...." - Crystalline Dream, Shadow Gallery ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3881 **************************