YTSEJAM Digest 3842 Today's Topics: 1) Re: The music theory debate rages on by The iban 2) Re: "INTRO" tape help needed by Syrinx 3) DT FII tour videos by Matej Grginic 4) Re: Theory not important???? by "Brian Hayden" 5) Helloween/Spock's Beard/Jennifer Batten by "CP Parnham" 6) Re: Helloween/Spock's Beard/Jennifer Batten by Lisa Marie 7) Re: Theory by Ivan Navarro 8) Obscure but sad news from Japan... by Matt Johnston 9) HeLp! ! ! NDTC by Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB) 10) band things... by Peter Tatischev 11) DT by Pat Daugherty 12) new email address by Joe DeAngelo 13) Re: Theory 2 by email_address_removed 14) Ytsejam Tattoo by Max Arbot 15) The Dream Theater Quiz and Poll by Max Arbot 16) Re: Jimmy the ThunderBitch! That's ME!!!!! by "James C. Shields" 17) Re: Music Theory by email_address_removed 18) Re: Randy Rhodes by email_address_removed 19) Platypus Sample by Calvin 6S 20) irving plaza plea by Deedlit ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:39:24 EDT From: The iban To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: The music theory debate rages on Message-ID: SHIT sorry, i accidentally hit send on that last mail right after i hit reply... sorry << Rocky states "....had some FORM to it, not just mindless wanking on any note that your finger touches" How do you guys draw these conclusions? I never said I just wank on any note my finger touches. Far from it. I follow what is in my head. How can that be wrong? >> i wasn't refering to you about that comment, i've never heard your music, i wouldn't judge something i never heard. i'm generally not one to judge stuff i even have heard, but i was refering to the people who DO mindless wanking, like slayer did. i'm sure they had no idea what they were doing when they were "writing" the solos, and as far as that.... > >And if you take that Eb and bend up to E - >that's pretty standard theory. In key? I can think of quite a few scales >that use E as the root and also contain the Perfect Fifth (B) and the leading >tonic (Eb, but it would be referred to as D#). Here are a few: >Major / Ionian >Lydian >Harmonic Minor >Melodic Minor >Lydian #9 >Augmented >Neopolitan Major >Neopolitan Minor > i agree with you on that, but i HIGHLY doubt thats what the guitar player had in mind, and i even more highly doubt that that is what he actually did at all. > > I bet half of the >people who argue that theory is a necessity haven't progressed much further >than the basic modes. >>> i see your point there, but personally i try not to use modes when i improvise guitar solos. a little thing i learned from an Al DiMeola vid that helped my playing greatly was to sit down and play a solo for about 10 minuites on one string, then 10 mins on the next string. when you do that, you farmiliarize yourself with the whole neck and get to know where are your root notes and 3rds and 5th and 7ths are, and basically you can get yourself away from the "position playing" and i try to throw chromatics in my solos a lot, and attempt key changes, but i generally stick to what i think sounds good, which is usually in key for the most part. What I am saying is that it's really unoriginal to stick to Hard rules when writing music, it's always good to let your mind and music wander about your instrument, and just go off sometimes, because you never know what you'll get, but having a knowledge of music theory makes it so much easier to form a base for your music, instead of having to guess whats going to sound good each note/chord at a time. Rocky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:46:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx To: Mike Pontrelli Subject: Re: "INTRO" tape help needed Message-ID: > I made a tape for a friend with "LIquid Tension Experiment" taking up > all of side 1 and the first 28 min of side 2, leaving me with about 20 > min. I want him to REALLY like this tape so that he gets into Dream > Theater :) My question is... what song would fit best on the remaining 20 > min? I would prefer it would be a DT song but it doesnt have to be. I've > kicked around putting Hells Kitchen and LitS, but i think sticking to > instrumentals would work best.. A few suggestions: Pull Me Under Peruvian Skies Take The Time The Mirror/Lie Scarred Just Let Me Breathe =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email_address_removed / email_address_removed erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 20:06:36 +0200 From: Matej Grginic To: email_address_removed Subject: DT FII tour videos Message-ID: Hello jammers.. Does anyne know if there are any videotapes recorded from DT FII tour and available for trading. I`m especially interested in shows from Pordenone and Munich. Thanx, Mat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 98 13:11:13 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Re: Theory not important???? Message-ID: Responding to the message of from email_address_removed: > One cannot appropriately express > his or her style without having the ability to do it. Obviously. But having command of your instrument is basically a function of manual dexterity, not music theory. > When you look at > great musicians, what do they have in common?? They all KNOW THEORY. That's your unsupported opinion. Define 'great musician.' > respect the idea of music theory. You say that music came before rules, > well, that may be true, if you're talking about ancient tribal music, > but, Western music as it has become is based around certain tonal > principles that should never be forgotten Ummmmmm no. Western music has been around longer than theory, my friend. Theory came later as a tool to explain the music. You think 'western music theory' suddenly occured to some dude and *then* everyone started writing music? What are you smoking? > if you want no rules, or think that "anything goes," then go pick > up the latest #1 CD or some other shit that some popular band comes out > with. Ummmmmmmm no. Those bands aren't using 'no rules,' they're using too many rules; specifically the formulas for shallow chart success. Simple chord changes, a catchy chorus and lyrics that the average person will find halfway entertaining. > There's some simplicity for you, where the guys think they can > pluck anything that "feels good" This is exactly what I do, and I'm damn proud of it. You're saying I can't? Too fucking bad, buddy. Sure, 90% of guitar players are faster than me, have better technique...but I write exactly what I want to, nothing less and nothing more. I didn't ask you to listen to it, prick, so don't tell me how to write it. -Brian "Some things are expensive because people are passionate about them. Look at guitars. People will pay thousands of dollars for them. But then look at Jolly Ranchers. Nobody is passionate about Jolly Ranchers. Sure, they're good, but nobody's gonna slam a $100 bill down on the counter for 'em. " Coleridge on IRC Web: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hayd0029 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 19:22:39 +0100 From: "CP Parnham" To: email_address_removed Subject: Helloween/Spock's Beard/Jennifer Batten Message-ID: Hello everyone, I just thought I'd mention the extrememly brilliant new Helloween album "Better Than Raw". I finally got my hands on it the other day and I think it is amazing!!! Andi's voice sounds slightly different to me, for the better though, and the instruments are perfection. I recommend this album to everyone, but I'm a little curious if people consider them Prog? Anyway, check out track 6, "Revelation", and the way they've synchronised the drums and guitars exceptionally well. And the intro Classical music is also amazing and sets the scene for the first track, "Push", very well. A "Must Buy" for everyone. Secondly, I wonder if Spock's Beard have the right to use that name for their band? Wouldn't there be some kind of copyright laws for the name "Spock"? BTW, this is a serious question here, just in case any of you think I'm taking the piss. I bet "Spock" is a Regd. Trademark of Paramount Pictures and Star Trek..... Finally, that elusive name "Jennifer Batten" is reappearing in 'Jams again and I still haven't heard a single thing about her! Please someone direct me to a website about her and her music, PLEASE!!! I'd also appreciate private e-mail about her music because I'm finding it hard to read 'Jams at the moment because of time constraints (Exams....) so I may skip all the wonderful repercussions from this post. Sorry! Actually, this is the final bit, why can't I access Helloween's official website? The address is but I never get there! Please let me know if anyone CAN access this place as it's been on the liner notes to the last album AND the brand new one!!!! Chris Parnham IRC:Insania ICQ:5714076 Graham: So you deal with Vinyl Tap, eh? ;-) _________________________________________________________________________ Please check out my local Rock band STORMWATCH at When autumn leaves are falling, When twilight's here at last, When time seems never ending, When present turns to past, When hopes are all we live for, When eyes are closed at night, When happiness forever is When dream and day unite..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 11:46:41 -0700 From: Lisa Marie To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Helloween/Spock's Beard/Jennifer Batten Message-ID: > Secondly, I wonder if Spock's Beard have the right to use that name for >their band? Wouldn't there be some kind of copyright laws for the name >"Spock"? BTW, this is a serious question here, just in case any of you >think I'm taking the piss. I bet "Spock" is a Regd. Trademark of Paramount >Pictures and Star Trek..... Interesting question... but perhaps they are referring to Dr. Spock! :o) Lisa Marie email_address_removed http://www.dreamt.org/jessie _____________________________________ THOUGHTS - Spock's Beard Mailing List http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard/ _____________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 05 May 1998 14:47:23 -0400 From: Ivan Navarro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Theory Message-ID: <029FE354F5EBB013*/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=GOV+NOAA/o=CCNWS/s=Navarro/g=Ivan/@MHS> "The Horror, the horror! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:52:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Obscure but sad news from Japan... Message-ID: A few of you may have heard him, and as I'm a big fan of the hair-band X-Japan (they do play some great neo-classical pop-metal), I feel I should post this. I got this from the UCIrvine Bookstore Anime Update -- a very good and reliable source for info and products from Japan, yada yada yada... "Before we get too upbeat, though...as many of you may know, the pop artist Hide from X-Japan committed suicide this past weekend. While I am sure that there will be tons of gruesome speculation over the whys and wherefores of such an action, I am left simply with a feeling of sadness over the loss of someone who brought so much pleasure to the lives of so many. May he find peace in some form..." --Matt ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The brain of John Lennon Just floated in from space today preserved in a cryo-pod. Yoko wasn't aboard (We all thank God) --Robon, "The Brain of John Lennon" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:03:10 -0400 From: Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB) To: email_address_removed ('DT') Subject: HeLp! ! ! NDTC Message-ID: <1998May05.144324.1255.2365079@msmail.ic.gc.ca> Im looking for the tabs for Horizon's (album Foxtrot) from Genesis.. could someone PLEASE help me, I must play this song! thx XaNaDu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 23:18:20 +0400 From: Peter Tatischev To: email_address_removed Subject: band things... Message-ID: Well, as long as the band things go... I hope that I'll be spending this summer in Boston (or somewhere nearby)... If anyone is interested in jamming or playing some stuff with a desent bassist... I would really like to play some stuff then. This would give me a chance not to lose my skills as well :-) Pete ========================================================== The maintainer of the YtseJamCD Project site: http://www.glasnet.ru/~tatisch/Ytze mirror: http://tripod.members.com/~Pete339 Home: http://www.web4free.com/Bass_p IRC: Hammman ICQ:425-8962 =========================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:35:27 -0400 From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: DT Message-ID: > From: Mike Pontrelli > > I made a tape for a friend with "LIquid Tension Experiment" taking up > all of side 1 and the first 28 min of side 2, leaving me with about 20 > min. I want him to REALLY like this tape so that he gets into Dream > Theater :) My question is... what song would fit best on the remaining 20 > min? I would prefer it would be a DT song but it doesnt have to be. I've > kicked around putting Hells Kitchen and LitS, but i think sticking to > instrumentals would work best.. Seems to me that if you want someone to like a band, you should give them a tape of that band, not a tape of a band that has 1 or 2 players from said band. Call me crazy, but if you want someone to like DT give them a tape of DT not LTE. approximately 7 hours until DT... NP:FNM-Album Of The Year -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email : email_address_removed | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |===================================================================| | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" -- X-Files | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:35:57 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo To: "Anthony E. Rudolph" , Arlene DeAngelo , Subject: new email address Message-ID: Sorry that this is a form letter, but I need to let everybody know that I have a new email address. (formerly email_address_removed) The NEW ADDRESS is..... email_address_removed Thanks, Joe DeAngelo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 12:44:43 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Theory 2 Message-ID: What Ptacek said. Me agrees. I just don't have the ability to respond myself due to a nasty wrist injury :( one handed typing sucks :P ~Eckfucious says, Never rush a woodworking project! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:48:35 EDT From: Max Arbot To: email_address_removed Subject: Ytsejam Tattoo Message-ID: Okay, here's the scoop: I have a tattoo of the Ytsejam on my shoulder. Mike has one just like it on his arm. DT is coming to my town in a couple of weeks and I'd really like to show it to him. Any ideas on how this could be done? [eriC] THE DREAM THEATER ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:52:25 EDT From: Max Arbot To: email_address_removed Subject: The Dream Theater Quiz and Poll Message-ID: Just so everyone knows... My web site has the only (as far as I know) Dream Theater Quiz!! Everyone who thinks they know everything about DT should come and try it out. There is also a DT poll you can participate in while you're there. Enjoy! [eriC] THE DREAM THEATER http://members.aol.com/MaxArbot/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:06:59 -0500 From: "James C. Shields" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Jimmy the ThunderBitch! That's ME!!!!! Message-ID: >Jimmy the ThunderBitch wrote: This is one of the best names I have ever been called. Thanks, Vinnie! "Part bionic And organic, not a cyborg" these are some of the CHEEZIEST LYRICS I HAVE EVER HEARD! James C. Shields Undergraduate University of Texas at Austin =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Spread before you is your soul So forever hold the dreams within our hearts Through Nature's inflexible grace I'm Learning to Live "Learning to Live" Dream Theater =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:10:34 -0500 (CDT) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Music Theory Message-ID: << follow what is in my head. How can that be wrong? >> well, if whats in your head is completely messed up, well then...anyway, I thought I'd throw my two cents in on the whole "Music theory" thingy. I don't think that sticking to music theory and using that instead of what you call "emotion" or the stuff in your head is necesarily wrong. If music theory is so broad, covering so much, how can it be limiting if music theory itself has no limits? I agree with the statement John made about hearing stuff in your head and not being able to play it because your technical ability doesn't support it. And let me tell you that gets pretty damn frustrating. I've encountered that dillema myself several times. It is important to master the skills of your instrument in order to fufill your creative desires. Unfortunately, many people don't have the patience to put in the time needed to do this, thats why so many of these "popular" bands aren't good musicians, because they lack the patience to be. Popular music isn't necesarily no-talent. In the 70s bands like Yes, ELP, and Led Zeppelin were popular, did that make them any less talented? I would like popular bands today if they could actually play their instruments well! Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 16:56:57 -0400 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Randy Rhodes Message-ID: To further emphasize the statement below, forget the credits, even they don't do Randy justice. All the songs are basically listed Osborne/Rhoads/Daisley/Kerslake, when in fact, 90-100% of the music was Randy's. I didn't see the post, but if someone said Randy didn't write the music, they are sadly mistaken. Some of the riffs present on Blizzard go back to Randy's Quiet Riot days, in which he wrote most/all of the music. Then he went on to compose the best material of his life, for the Diary of a Madman album. I still have yet to hear a song as well written as "You Can't Kill Rock and Roll". KAI At 05:12 PM 5/4/98 -0700, you wrote: > >I forget who wrote that Randy Rhodes did not write much of the music with >Ozzy but this is totally untrue. Try looking in the credits before you >post stuff like this :) > >Thorin > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:24:11 EDT From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: Platypus Sample Message-ID: Hey, just downloaded the soundbite "Willy Brown" Don't expect another LTE (intstrumental shred fest) Do expect really good music. If you love Ty Tabor's voice, you'll love this. And if you can't handle the beginning because you need instrumental jams - atleast wait until 2:24 when the band really gets going. It will help you appreciate the song as a whole if the opening isn't your cup of tea. Atleast I hope, because I thought the opening was good from the start. But at 2:24 - the song turned from a good song to a great song. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:32:16 -0400 From: Deedlit To: email_address_removed Subject: irving plaza plea Message-ID: I'm going to be coming into NYC via train with some friends, but once I get into Grand Central, what should I do? Should I risk a cab, or run around on the subways? I know the MetroNorth Schedule, but I'm not sure about subways or whatever. If someone on this list knows the city well, can you email me suggestions? I'm such a dork...sorry to post this...I've never been a big city person...even Boston is too big and metropolitan for me :} Thanks, Erica ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erica Bonomi, email_address_removed Deedlit or Deedo on irc.dreamt.org 2112 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.skidmore.edu/~ebonomi/ Check here for the mp3 of the week! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3842 **************************