YTSEJAM Digest 3835 Today's Topics: 1) Re: I don't mean to be rude, dude, but you better change your by Alan Estrada 2) Maritime Hall gig by "James Bennett" 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3834 by "Richard A. Rivera" 4) Re: van halen by Paul Kendall 5) Re: Berklee College of Music by Rick Audet 6) Re: van halen by graham boyle 7) writing credits by Fabrice Dray 8) The goal of any musician by Calvin 6S 9) Diversity by Calvin 6S 10) What makes a good bassist? by Calvin 6S 11) Come on MFP - I mean Berklee vs.MI by Calvin 6S 12) unplugged? by "Raivo Hool" 13) Re: Load and Re Load by "Suplizio, Jim" 14) Re: Berklee College of Music by "TheCowGod" 15) Guitar contest by AL 16) RE: Rush stuff by Beyond the Mirror 17) Therion/Electric Wizard by NGA 18) chat by "Alex O'Connell" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 01:37:15 -0500 From: Alan Estrada To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: I don't mean to be rude, dude, but you better change your Message-ID: > >Fact: When I saw Extreme live, they played He-Man Woman Hater, but >*skipped* the intro, which could easily make one think that Nuno wasn't >the one playing it in the first place. that's weird, I only saw them make he-man woman hater once....which tour was it? also is strange that he didnt play flight of the bumble bee since he always played that as his spotlight solo...well, I was just curious. thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 00:01:07 -0700 From: "James Bennett" To: Subject: Maritime Hall gig Message-ID: <000101bd772a$694986c0$2f14a2d1@james> To all, Anyone else going to the SF show at Maritime Hall? I feel so alone.......contact me if you r going also James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 03:12:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3834 Message-ID: On Sun, 3 May 1998 email_address_removed wrote: > > > Did anyone watch the 10 spot on MTV Friday and see Van Halen? Anyone with > > any comments? > I saw it. I thought the song selection was horrible. I expected them to concentrate on III stuff, since that's the product they're currently pushing. "Without You" was cool especially, the way they ended it with "We Can Work It Out." That was something Extreme would have done and it was cool. "One I Want" went over pretty well too. But did they really have to play "A Year To The Day?" I am now convinced that song is just one big Eddie-wank fest. And why only one Van Hagar song? What the fuck? They're practically ignoring 11 years of great music. And it's not like Gary can't pull them off. He sounded awesome on "Why Can't This Be Love." How about "Dreams," or "When It's Love?" I know that they didn't broadcast the entire concert, but that's what I wanted to hear. I was also curious to see how Gary would sound on the DLR stuff. He sounded like, um, Gary singing DLR stuff. He didn't try to imitate. He made them his own and I respect that. And he certainly pulled off "Panama" and "Ain't Talking 'Bout Love" better than Sammy ever did (and that's coming from a fan). But did we really have to hear "Mean Streets?" As for Gary's stage presence, I think he's awesome. Never boring to watch. I thought he was going to kill himself tumbling down those stairs. Very cool. I'll definitely go see them in concert after seeing this show. Next week on "Live At The 10 Spot" is Hanson. Can't think of a better way to end finals week. Richie NP: Jani Lane- "I Was Only Joking" (from "Forever Mod: A Tribute To Rod Stewart") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 19:19:00 +1200 From: Paul Kendall To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: Re: van halen Message-ID: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" wrote: >Did anyone watch the 10 spot on MTV Friday and see Van Halen? Anyone with >any comments? They sounded better then I thought they would with Gary >singing, but I'm having a hard time with all of Garys "prancing" around the >stage like a gay blade. Here's my opinion of VH with Gary. I haven't seen the MTV footage of the Sydney show but I was in the front row for that particular concert and did see 9 of the 10 shows on the recently completed New Zealand/Australian tour. Firstly, they sounded better than they have for a long time judging by the videos and bootleg CDs I've heard. You may not like his stage antics but to me Gary is the perfect fit for the band at the present time. No one can criticise his voice and Gary certainly does justice to the DLR and Hagar tunes. The group I was travelling with were almost exclusively Roth-era fans and all of us were amazed when we first heard Gary sing the older songs and the VHIII songs live. I ,for one, like what Gary does on stage and he is similar to Roth in that regard. The big difference is that Gary continues to sing. You can also see his Freddie Mercury influences coming out which may be interpreted as "prancing" by some. Secondly, the band as a whole appears very happy and that chemistry shows in their live performance. Ed is always smiling and his interaction with Gary demonstrates how close they are. The same could be said for Alex and Mike with Gary. They are having fun again and are really enjoying themselves on stage. Lastly, if you get the chance see VH when they play near you, do it! You won't regret it. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 00:41:57 -0700 From: Rick Audet To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Berklee College of Music Message-ID: >ups, one more thing... >for the people interested in going to berklee or MI check their info at >http://www.berklee.com (or is it berklee.edu?) >and I should have the MI URL right here but I dont find it...it may be the >same... mi.edu or mi.com I'd just like to remind everyone interested in studying music at the college level that there are other excellent music schools in the United States besides Berklee "is no fucking guarantee!" College of Music or Musicians' Institute. Have a look around. You might be pleasantly surprised. Pastor Rick San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 18:16:38 +1000 From: graham boyle To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: van halen Message-ID: Paul Kendall wrote: > Secondly, the band as a whole appears very happy and that chemistry shows > in their live performance. Ed is always smiling and his interaction with > Gary demonstrates how close they are. The same could be said for Alex and > Mike with Gary. They are having fun again and are really enjoying > themselves on stage. > > Lastly, if you get the chance see VH when they play near you, do it! You > won't regret it. I agree 100%, the Sydney gig was awesome, the best gig I have seen. Gary was great and won me over, both as a frontman and singer surprised me with how good he was. graham ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:38:28 +0200 From: Fabrice Dray To: dream theater Subject: writing credits Message-ID: <354D7E84.66CE@club-internet.fr> Hey Jeff, you should check your albums: Eddie Van Halen doesn't write much? That's a first!!! Same for Nuno, Perry, Page and May!!! They are or were not the dictators in their band, but they sure wrote a great deal of music for their bands. The most democratic band being Queen as every member of the band had hits with songs they had written. You need to tell me how many credits has Joey Kramer in Aerosmith whole career. I am sure his name doesn't appear often at the bottom of a song. Fabrice ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:23:40 EDT From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: The goal of any musician Message-ID: Josh Becker writes: "The ultimate goal for any musician on any instrument should be to achieve the highest level of technique, creativity and overall musical value in their playing as possible" I couldn't disagree more. I know the faster I play, the more women I will get. If more notes per minute didn't equal more chicks - I'd stop playing guitar today. I teach this to all my students - but they are all so damn ugly. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:31:52 EDT From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: Diversity Message-ID: Christian P Kremo said of Slayer's new album: "It's about time they tried to diversify themselves" If I am not mistaken, the thing that drove people to Slayer in the original years was the fact they were doing their own thing. I'm not going to argue that they were the originators - but I don't think they did it for any other reason except they liked it. Why do people want their bands to diversify? There is nothing wrong with diversifying, but only if it is natural. In other words - they want to diversify. Why didn't Coltrane whip out a metal riff? Why doesn't BB King play neoclassical? Why doesn't Nine Inch Nails play jazz? Why is that some people are put on a pedestal for "fighting change" and others ripped on for "fighting change"? And the saddest thing is the term "sell out". Metallica is the prime example. I don't like them now, not because they may have "sold out". The main reason is because Lars died. Plain and simple. Lars Ulrich was killed, but the record label wouldn't hear of it. They got someone who won a Lars Ulrich look alike contest and put him up there. If you listen to the CD of Reload on the "label" side or upside down, there is a bonus track "Lars is dead". That is why I don't like Metallica anymore. They can't fool me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:40:30 EDT From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: What makes a good bassist? Message-ID: Rob Gaul scribbled: "i play bass. although i NEVER claim to be good. i am decent. ive played for 4 years. what makes a good bassist is the talent to know that he isnt the best" A good bassist capitalizes the first word of a sentence. Or did I just slam someone I should not have :o) Too bad, cause his ideas weren't all that bad. I can even agree with him. bUT THERE WILL BE NO SENTENCE BEGINNING IN LOWER CASE IN MY BAND. gOT IT. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 05:56:26 EDT From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: Come on MFP - I mean Berklee vs.MI Message-ID: I can only speak for MI, cause that is where I went. Why did I go to MI? Because it was a more OPEN ENDED school. I read an interview with Reb Beach saying how he was told that he couldn't pass a class if he didn't hold his pick RIGHT. He was probably lying - but it turned me off. I also heard Berklee was more Jazz oriented. I am the type of person that can learn on his own without being told how to learn. I also don't like it when somebody says "That's wrong". In music, there is no wrong. There was only one teacher at MI that told me "That's wrong" and I hated him immediately. You have to solo in front of teachers all the time - and I played a solo in front of him. If you know my style, you know I am very ahh creative. I don't mean like "wow man, that was so outside. It sounded horrible .... but it was so outside it was cool". I mean I like to have things in my music that are not ahhhh standardized. I can't really explain it. Anyhow, this teacher was like - "you were too brutal on the solo. You sounded pissed. I can't give you the okay on this." I couldn't believe it. EVERY other teacher and student would tell me how cool I was. That my sound was very unique. Even when I didn't like someone's style, I never put them down. I still hate that teacher . If you go to MI - his initials are JF. But as far as the rest of MI went, very cool environment. BUT if you want to suck, they aren't going to hold your hand. They will let you suck and pass. An MI certificate means NOTHING. I still have mine filed away. Never sees the light of day. MI has everything you need to real FIND yourself as a musician. Open 24/7 (atleast when I was there) so you can jam with people ANYTIME you want. Big stage performances all the time. Cool visitors. Massive library - if you are self motivated - this is enough to keep you busy. I still have stacks of xeroxed stuff from the library that I still practice today. And it is very cool meeting people from ALL OVER THE WORLD. Oh and if you wear your MI badge to a strip club - you will go home with a stripper :o) As far as which school is better. I might be inclined to say Berklee. But then again, all the hero alumni of Berklee dropped out - so it is really the individual. I think Dream Theater would have existed regardless of Berklee. Besides Portnoy is so outgoing - he would have found Petrucci and co. regardless :o) Maybe at a pet food store or something. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 13:13:40 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" To: email_address_removed Subject: unplugged? Message-ID: > From: "Richard A. Rivera" > Obviously: > AD > WFS > TSM > LSOAD > TAMP > HY > AL (just piano & vox) I would add: JDHFDY JSDSFJ LKDFUIU MMNSDASA GG OPPP QWERTY Or wha'd'ya think? Bugger to pronounce, but they'll manage. Raitz, chronologically impaired ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 06:47:22 -0400 From: "Suplizio, Jim" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Re: Load and Re Load Message-ID: > Don't get me wrong, I'm not real thrilled with the direction > Metallica has taken, but at least they're changing and not just putting > out black album after black album. After reading the last couple posts about Metallica I had to get my $.02 in. I grew up in Rochester, NY and I can remember a demo tape floating around by this band that was recording an album there. (The studio time was cheap) After getting a hold of the demo I was totally amazed and little did I realize that this band was to become one of my all time favorite bands. After releasing Kill Em All, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets and And Justice for All this was still one of my favorite bands. Suddenly the 'black' album came out...well ok, this album was decent and kind of grew on you like some daemonic fungus and certain questions still remained unanswered like "My gawd, what happened to the Lars Ulrich drumming?" or "Jesus, what happened to Jason's supposed influence?". But like all the old fans I figured I'd wait until their next album is released...and it was. Load is an abortion, after hearing all the crap that Jason and Kirk contributed greatly to the album I was figuring that maybe _they_ were the ones who wimped out until I read the liner...like lesbians, Kirk and Jason simply didn't do dick on that album. The whole thing was basically dominated be James and Lars. Then re-Load came out...I'm still kicking myself in the ass for actually spending money on that one. I guess all good things come to an end but I just kind of wish that Metallica had simply stopped or at least kept up the momentum from their earlier works. The progression from Kill Em All to And Justice was incredible, then with the addition of what they call the "5th member" Bob Rock, well now their formula for woussing out was complete. I'll keep playing the older stuff but I have to agree that anything new by them will be along the same lines as this re-cycled crap that any semi-talentless grunge band could overproduce. Jim PS I'm sure I'm going to get flamed for this post, just remember this post is my OPINION! All of us are entitled to share our opinions (and we usually do) regardless of who agrees and disagrees. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 06:52:10 -0500 From: "TheCowGod" To: Subject: Re: Berklee College of Music Message-ID: <000601bd7753$12fb6c60$message_id_removed> >From: Carlos Alfaro >Subject: Berklee College of Music > >I know of a couple of jammers who attend berklee, could they email me >privately? I need to ask you guys some info on Berklee... yep you >guessed it.. im interested in attending... thanx - Well, I just got a brochure for berklee's summer program which i'd like to attend but i'll probly be taking summer school (blast! and in senior year too). Anyways, you could take a look at that. Oh, and interesting side note - it's got (obviously) a bunch of pics of people playing music and in two of em the guitarist is playing a JPM. Kewl. Moo. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 07:44:19 -0500 From: AL To: YTSE Jammers Subject: Guitar contest Message-ID: OK you arrogant guitarists, listen up. I have a challenge for you. 20 US dollars to the person that can play the guitar solo from the song *Heartless* by Aldo Nova. Using your limp penis as a pick. Go ahead try. Gals, you can try this as well with a *friends* help. Unfortunately, if the *friend* develops a chubby you may be disqualified. Good luck! Any guesses on the Jammer that will be the winner of Freud-Fest 98? -- See ya, AL... Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems http://www.isd.net/astrosch/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 08:05:42 -0500 From: Beyond the Mirror To: "'YJ Digest'" Subject: RE: Rush stuff Message-ID: Sun, 3 May 1998 Mauricio Martinez Villarreal wrote: To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Therion/Electric Wizard Message-ID: Hi all time for a few more reviews. THERION - Vovin Therion's last album 'Theli' was one of THE albums in the last couple of years, and the obvious question was will they ever be able to top it? The simple answer is 'yes'. 'Vovin' is more beautiful and symphonic, making more use of real violins, violas, cellos and double bass (not keyboards). But the major change and improvement is in the singing department. Almost all vocals are by the alto and soprano singers, backed by choirs, whereas Christofer Johnsson (the driving force behind Therion) only takes on lead vocals once on the track 'The Wild Hunt', which is at the same time that hardest, fastest and most metallic track on the album. 'Vovin' is very harmonic and is the best symphonic metal I've ever heard. People who only want the harder side of the music may be a little disappointed (like those who thought Tiamat's 'A Deeper Kind Of Slumber' was a disappointment because it wasn't as heavy as 'Wild Honey'), but I think this is Therion's best album to date and also one that will win them many more new fans. 10/10. PS - US fans will have to wait until the end of May before it is released over there. ELECTRIC WIZARD - Come My Fanatics... This album redefines doom. Crushing, huge, massive, excruciatingly heavy. How these guys manage to downtune their guitars so low and still be able to play them baffles me - I thought my CD players were running slow! Just listen to the bass on the opener 'Return Trip' and you immediately know that this album has grooves so deep that you could hide Mount Everest in them. The barrage of sound that these three guys produce is almost tangible. One fuzzed-out, monumental riff follows the other, riffs so ball-crushing that your bass speakers beg for mercy - playing this at annoying loud volume caused two pictures to fall off the wall in my bedroom. The sources of inspiration are, of course, obvious - Black Sabbath, Cathedral, Hawkwind, Kyuss, and large amounts of top quality grass. This album is extremely difficult to find, but find it at all costs if you are into real doom and stoner rock. This has got to be the most fucked up album ever. 10/10. stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Bob Calvert - Captain Lockheed And The Starfighters ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 10:04:32 -0400 From: "Alex O'Connell" To: email_address_removed Subject: chat Message-ID: >>Thursday, May 28 D: Open Music Chat The Rock (Or Special Room, TBA) 10-12pm EST Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci (Dream Theater) and Tony Levin (King Crimon, Peter Gabriel) to chat about their album Liquid Tension Experiment! >> That my birthday! How cool is that? Maybe I can actually remember the date this time! ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3835 **************************