YTSEJAM Digest 3832 Today's Topics: 1) PREACH ON BROTHER RICK!! by JKorby1973 2) Any other music out there? by "Todd Beachler" 3) MattB DA MAN! by JKorby1973 4) Guitar Stuff by email_address_removed 5) Angra by "Karol" 6) Flame me. I dare you. by email_address_removed 7) Rogerio leaving by "Paul Gregory Humm" 8) Two handed tappers by "David M. Campbell" 9) Re: Even blind people should be able to spell. :) by KEZCOM 10) Savatage by Fabrice Dray 11) Re: Flame me. I dare you. by "Christopher R. Merlo" 12) Re: Two-Handed Tapping Guitarists by AURACLE 13) Re: Jennifer Batten by AURACLE 14) Re: Jennifer Batten by Calvin 6S 15) Re: JP's sound and the American Triaxis by Calvin 6S 16) A good bass player by Michael Bahr ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:29:01 EDT From: JKorby1973 To: email_address_removed Subject: PREACH ON BROTHER RICK!! Message-ID: >Mr. Justin, you obviously are not aware that MattB is one of (at least) two >YtseJammers on this mailing list who is visually impaired and depends on >text-to-speech translators and phonetics to enjoy your sarcasm. So as soon >as you are able to remove your head from your ass and your foot from your >mouth, I think you owe Mr. MattB an apology. >Rick Audet Well Pastor Rick, you are correct in that I didn't know MattB visually impaired and has to use special equipment for the computer. But, everyone I've ever known with a handicap demands that they are treated as equally as those without handicaps. Therefore, Mr. MattB shall be subject to my "sarcastic spewing" as much as the next guy. And as far as an apology, what the hell for? If it wasn't MattB, but his equipment that made the errors, then why should I apologize to him? My comments were directed towards the text. Did I ever put MattB down? No. In fact, an apology would be more in order if he wasn't using special equipment and I said those things. As far as your comments about my head being up my ass and my foot in my mouth, well who deserves the apology now? I DO apologize to fellow ytsejammers who had to be subject to Pastor Rick's preaching. Justin PS- Rick, your apology is accepted. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:41:54 -0400 From: "Todd Beachler" To: Subject: Any other music out there? Message-ID: <01bd76c3$24d6d040$e4ab1e26@harmony> I'm just starting to get into progressive metal and I was wondering if there are any other bands out there that sound like DT's "Erotomania", "Lies", and "The Mirror". DT's stuff can be too mellow for me at times, but these songs really have a ballsy sounding guitar in them. Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:57:55 EDT From: JKorby1973 To: email_address_removed Subject: MattB DA MAN! Message-ID: >Yo yo mama, > Actually, though I thank Rick for being sensative, I also thank >Justin for pointing out something that hopefully will stick in my mind the >next time I write about a s o l o. Man, you'd really like to think that, >if you can make it through high school and onward into college, you'd have >to be able to spell anything five letters or less. :) Oh well, if I only> >had a brain. So, thanks rick, but I deserve to be made fun of just as >much as anyone. Be well. >Matt B Hey MattB, Thanks for being so cool. I was a bit pissy when I wrote about the "solowing" thing. But at least you're cool-AND SMART enough not to take shit like that personally, unlike Mr. Rick. Anyways, stay cool and enjoy the DT!! Justin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:17:07 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Guitar Stuff Message-ID: > From: AURACLE > Subject: Two-Handed Tapping Guitarists > Meanwhile, T.J. Helmerich's searing two-handed work with Brett Garsed is > probably the most amazing tapping stuff I've ever heard; to my ear, it sounds > as though he never, ever picks a note. He really doesn't. I mean, every now and then, to start off a lick, he may, or on his rhythms, he often picks, but his solos are almost exclusively tapped. He can play legato runs with his right hand, over the neck, the way most of us wish we could with the left hand. I've seen him do a clinic here in IL, and I know we have at least one jammer who hangs with him regularly... the dude is a freak genius with a great sense of humor. His two albums, Quid Pro Quo and Exempt are among the highest of instrumental achievements I can name. And Garsed keeps right up with Helmerich, using his own freaked out technique. Both borrow a lot from Holdsworth, but they write better music (to my ears, anyways) than Holdsworth does. > Any of you out there know of any other brilliant two-hand tappers besides > Eddie Van Halen (who did NOT invent the technique, contrary to popular belief) > and the aforementioned Stanley Jordan? I'd mention the likes of Michael > Manring, Stuart Hamm and John Alderete, but they're *bass* players, and that's > a whole other thread... Roy Ashen is supposed to be the madman. I've never heard any of his solos.. I just know I can't stand the samples on his web page. Jennifer Batten is recognized as a bad ass tapper, but her stuff is all licks. I mean, if you listen to it, you can decipher the scales and arpeggios she uses quite easily, and it doesn't take long to develop the ability to play a lot of her stuff. She's still good, but I just don't dig her stuff too much. Could stem from the fact that her Giant Steps solo is rehearsed, and not Improv, so it's not nearly what everyone made it out to be. Could be because I figured out Whammy Damage (the non whammy pedal parts) in about a half hour (no, I don't have it up to speed) but something tells me her arsenal is all licks, not the real thing like Helmerich. I've seen all kinds of interviews with dudes in Young Guitar Magazine, who apparently have "octodigital technique" but I haven't heard too many of em. I know Thal throws in extra fingers where he needs them, rather than approaching a solo as "8 finger tapping." That's more or less what I end up doing. I have to actually do some work on my web page, so I can share the few cool concepts for tapping that I've found. > From: Richard Karsmakers > Subject: Legato - what the heck is it? New possible thread? > I read about JP doing a legato thing in Trial of Tears and it sounding > like Steve Vai. What is legato? I should smack you and say "look it up." http://www.m-w.com Legato generally means smooth. It's like making the notes flow to each other instead of being stacatto. I'd provide you with classical examples, but it's not worth it, because in Guitar it has a different meaning. In guitar playing, legato means smooth left hand playing. That is, all, or mostly hammers and pulls, instead of your typocal alternate picking or what not. Not a difficult concept at all... most people play legato before the alternate pick well. Some people, like Holdsworth or Michael Romeo, make legato playing much more difficult than is conceivable. Kcor has proven to me that Michael Romeo is a force of nature. Upon viewing his instructional video, I considered starting a Bush tribute band, because I can't play like that dude.... yet. :) > it would also be cool if someone would make a list of interesting things > that happen in songs ("nice polyphrasic rhythm changes", "short arabic > pentaphrygian riff", that kind of stuff), and at what time. Well, I don't have the time to go too far into detail... but I will offer a trivia question that Derek posed in an e-mail (and yes, I answered correctly... :) What scale is the unison line in Just Let Me Breathe in? Either the name of the scale, or the notes/formula will do. :) > From: James Thorpe > Subject: Hedges/Petrucci video > >For all you Michael Hedges freaks out there, > >http://www.bignet.net/~divine/tab.html has about 50 Hedges songs > >transcribed. > > Killer Link. Thanks Woot! TOTALLY awesome link. I don't know why I never went on a Hedges tab search! :) I have the Stropes book, which I could not possibly recommend any higher than I do.. it's the most well thought out, accurate, and well presented book of guitar music that I've ever seen. And it helps that it's all Hedges. :) > >How much does the JP: Rock Discipline video go for? > >Somebody (at Guitar Center) told me $50 !?!?! Is that the going rate > >for instructional vids (that's what he said)? Salesmen at Guitar Center, at least when I worked there, were supposed to sell all videos (with a few cheap vid exceptions) at $39.99. That is the going rate for the vid. Just walk in, pick up the video, pull out $40 in cash and say "This is all I have. Can you help me out?" and 9 times out of 10, you win. > >Also, the video is for intermediate/ advanced players, right? I'm a > >total beginner, but thought it would be cool to get anyhow, but it > >wouldn't be worth it (to me) for $50. Everything on every video can be used by a beginner. You just need to start it REALLY slow and work with a metronome to make sure your timing is perfect. Trust me, if you start slow, but accurate, you will end up playing light speed in much less time than if you pretend you have the technique to go fast. Go Home and Practice! Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 16:14:23 -0300 From: "Karol" To: Subject: Angra Message-ID: <01bd76c7$ae57c8c0$message_id_removed.br> Hi Does anyone know what Angra has been doing? Are they recording their new album? Any news about it? Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:38:57 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Flame me. I dare you. Message-ID: > I have never heard such a load of CRAP! Me neither! I can't believe that Calvin asshole's gall! How DARE he not add that a bassist who attempts to go above the 3rd fret without permission must also be injured! I mean, bass was made for one purpose: so that guitars could be even cooler than they already were. A bassist is just a weak minded individual who failed at playing the guitar. If a bassist WAS any good as a musician, he'd probably play the triangle. He's certainly not good enough to play guitar. That'd be skipping several evolutionary steps. And unlike that Calvin moron, I will not include females in this, because females can't make music. It's that simple. Look at Salt N Pepa. Look at the Spice Girls. Look at Hanson. Come on... to make music, one requires a "y" chromosome and the ability to grow facial hair. > Fella jammer asked about quality > bass player and you speak like bass players are the lowest form of life, > well maybe in your "band", but in mine bass player is also a creative musician, > not just a robot moving his fingers like Mr. hotshot/spotlight guitarist says! Just because you can't afford a robot who will never confuse his own will with what is musically correct (what the guitarist says, of course) doesn't mean that you're justified in putting said robot down. I mean, who wants to listen to a band with a guitarist and a "creative musician" on bass? Your band is just totally screwed. Might as well start quilting or something. Maybe you'll have some luck in the sweater business. :) > Well I think it is common knowledge. The thing that makes any musician > regardless of the instrument they play, be it Bass, guitar, drums, or even > bagpipes, is how fast they are. Speed is the only thing that makes a > musician good. If they can't shred they should burn their instrument and > take up needlepoint. Skakespeare once asked 'To shred or not to Shred, that > is the question.' Well I think we all know the answer to that question. FINALLY someone with a clue! The only thing more important than speed is how cool the guitar, bass, or drum looks. And for a guitarist, how many picks he can throw, and how far. Image is at least half of music... I mean, music is all Images and Words or something. So you gotta look cool and you gotta go fast so that people will compare you with Yngwie and Joe Stump. If you can't get to that level, you're just not musically viable, and really should pick up the art of making nift crafts out of popsicle sticks. :) > 1. Is $50 about the going rate, or $40 is the going rate. It's 2 hours long, so it's a kickin' value. Someone mentioned seeing it for $19.99 in the Berklee bookstore or something... well, that's a Bostonian pipe dream. Ya won't find that deal anywhere else, I bet. > is Guitar Center totally raping people on this? They were asking for it. You could see it in their eyes. They said "no" but they really meant "Take my money, big boy." By the way, Dream Theater is the ONLY good band in the world. Everything else sucks. It's a JOKE. No one can outplay Dream Theater. :) Go Home and Practice! Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 12:38:02 -0800 From: "Paul Gregory Humm" To: email_address_removed Subject: Rogerio leaving Message-ID: > > I hope you're kidding. You're one of the few people whose > > posts I always read, because you almost always have something > > worthwhile to say. If you're serious about this, then I hope you'll > > at least come back soon. > > er if Roger did unsub already, don't ya think it's pointless > sending this message to the list ? > > graham Not really, Graham. First, Roger did not say "I'm unsubbing immediately." He might have meant that he is unsubbing tomorrow. Second, I sent a CC of the message to Roger's e-mail address, thus ensuring that he WILL see the message. Third, I think that Roger leaving the list is a big deal, and that by quoting his original message, I might make more people aware of his departure. His post was very brief, and could easily have been overlooked. Paul ----------- Paul Humm email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 15:51:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "David M. Campbell" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Two handed tappers Message-ID: Jeff, I enjoyed your thoughts on Reb Beach. One other "tapper" I liked quite a bit was Vito Bratta from White Lion. This guy made playing the guitar seem totally effortless. His solos were often bizzare, but he had lightning speed and a real ear for melody and phrasing. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 16:43:50 EDT From: KEZCOM To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Even blind people should be able to spell. :) Message-ID: In a message dated 98-05-03 15:18:46 EDT, Matt B. wrote: << Yo yo mama, Actually, though I thank Rick for being sensative, I also thank Justin for pointing out something that hopefully will stick in my mind the next time I write about a s o l o. Man, you'd really like to think that, if you can make it through high school and onward into college, you'd have to be able to spell anything five letters or less. :) Oh well, if I only had a brain. So, thanks rick, but I deserve to be made fun of just as much as anyone. Be well. Matt B >> I'd like to nominate Matt B. for cool poster of the day. Right on, Matt. Sorry, Mosh, for the short post. :~) May 5th getting closer!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kez ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 23:06:52 +0200 From: Fabrice Dray To: email_address_removed Subject: Savatage Message-ID: <354CDC6C.5461@club-internet.fr> I don't know if DT are reading this list but since there was some talk about Savatage, I'll just point out something: DT and Savatage are playing summer festivals together in Europe this summer; Savatage having holes in their schedule in June, why are they not opening for Dream, say at least in Paris (can you notice I live there)? This would be a killer bill... Fabrice ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 17:10:13 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Flame me. I dare you. Message-ID: Madsman, that guitar-playin' egomaniacal SONOFABITCH wrote: > FINALLY someone with a clue! The only thing more important than > speed is how cool the guitar, bass, or drum looks. And for a > guitarist, how many picks he can throw, and how far. Image is at You stupid bastard! I would have thought that YOU of all people would know the one key ingredient to being a successful guitar player. Throwing picks is a neat trick, but it doesn't get you *anywhere* in the grand scheme of things. No, the important thing is while playing fast, you have to be able to whip your head around and get your hair to do all sorts of cool patterns. That's why people like Alex Lifeson and Bafu Vai suck. No hair windmills. And I thought you *knew* how to play the guitar! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 17:13:45 EDT From: AURACLE To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Two-Handed Tapping Guitarists Message-ID: In a post to YTSEJAM digest #3829, Phil Carter writes, in response to my original post on two-handed tapping guitarists: << Jeff Watson. The eight-finger tapping thing is practically his signature move. >> I *knew* that. Somehow, his name escaped me when I was writing that post. Duh. Thanks for the reminder. Incidentally, I really like his solo album on Shrapnel, "Lone Ranger," which has a couple of great guest appearances on it from Allan Holdsworth (on "Forest of Feeling") and Steve Morse (on the sublimely beautiful "Talking Hands"). Lots of great playing on it, and not just of the tapping variety, either. I highly recommend it. -- Jeff (who owns a great many Shrapnel albums) ;^) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 17:37:14 EDT From: AURACLE To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Jennifer Batten Message-ID: Attention all planets of the Jammer Federation... You know, I feel pretty damned foolish writing all that time about Reb Beach and T.J. Helmerich without mentioning Jennifer Batten, who, IMO, must be considered one of the most amazing guitarists on the planet, regardless of gender, in part because of her extraordinary tapping skills. So great is my admiration for her playing that I once actually watched an entire Michael Jackson concert on HBO just to see her play the solo on "Beat It." Talk about suffering for one's love of art... Anyhow, while I love her first solo album, "Above, Below and Beyond," I haven't been able to find her latest, with her band Tribal Rage, which I think is called "Momentum." If anyone out there can tell me where I can purchase it, it would be extremely helpful. -- Jeff (who still can't believe he didn't mention Jennifer Batten the first time!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 17:48:07 EDT From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Jennifer Batten Message-ID: Mauricio states: << By the time i saw her play, i had never heard her solo stuff, but i had a lot of columns from various Guitar Player mags, and that tapping stuff was like VERY hard to do. She never did anything REMOTELY as hard or complicated as her damn tapping columns. On the tapping subject i was VERY dissappointed, cause she didnt tap anything on the guitar, (ok, maybe some very simple "pentatonic" tapping) but not those complicated lines and progressions she wrote about all the time in her columns. >> Well, I have an audio tape recording of one of her MI clinics, and she definitley shows she can tap like no other (okay - if TJ wasn't born :o) She starts the clinic off with her "Flight of the Bumblebee" tapping and continues wiht Coltrane's "Giant Steps". Jennifer at the time was going through a little remorse that she was a tapper and I think was trying not to tap as much to concentrate on other areas of her playing - but that night she definitely "gave the audience what they wanted". As far as her reliance on the whammy pedal - she was very creative with the pedal - so I wouldn't consider it a trick for her. Has anyone heard the "Tribal Rage" CD from Jennifer. I'd like to know if she is a tap maniac still , or is she has indeed changed. I hope she still taps frequently. No use in being ashamed of what you are good at. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 18:01:41 EDT From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: JP's sound and the American Triaxis Message-ID: <> I think JP is relying less and less on the Triaxis and more on Mesa heads. Good move by JP. His sound is definitely better now. << BTW: what is the retail price of the M/B Triaxis preamp in America ? I think about getting one. But in Germany you have to pay a lot for it. (about 4000 DM) But since I know M/B it won't be a lot cheaper in the US..? >> The Triaxis is around $1,500 US or about 2,691 German DM's over here. I think they'd boot your ass outta the store if you offered them anything other than new $100 and $50 bills. When is the new $20 bill coming out? I need to get me a couple. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 15:07:11 -0700 From: Michael Bahr To: email_address_removed Subject: A good bass player Message-ID: "Some Guy" came up with a really egotistical list of things a bass player should be able to do. I'm sure it was just a troll, because it was such a moronically written post, but I'll respond as though it was genuine. Anyone can play guitar. Let me revise: ANYONE can play guitar well. Because everyone wants to!! Most bands I've seen or been a part of consist of four to five guitarists, two to three of which have taken up other instruments to fill in the space. The person with the best voice who plays guitar becomes the singer/rhythm guitarist. The person with the most money becomes the drummer (because drum kits are so expensive). The person with the best "internal clock" becomes the bassist. (if the same person is the richest, he becomes the drummer instead and some other guy picks up the bass). And the person who has no apparent talent or ability outside the guitar... remains there. :) Does this mean we live in a world of Steve Vai's and John Petrucci's? No, of course not. Those are the top one hundredth of one percent (or less) of all guitarists. Guitar shops sell tens of thousands of axes every year! The VAST majority of them are to amateurs. A good number of amateurs turn pro in some way. Some of them are even good. But 99% of the guitarists I've dealt with are sparsely-talented, egotistical morons. I'm sure you guys on the Jam are the exception to this, but I've dealt with a LOT of axemen between the various bands I've worked in. Hell, even Geddy Lee was a guitarist initially, and they moved him to bass because he felt confident that he could adapt. I was a rhythm guitarist/singer in my first band (Prismatic) and when I got into Scoobaca, all four of us were good guitarists, and nobody could agree on who should do what. Mikey Jr. was a better singer than me so I yielded that. Jeremy (initially) had more money so we let him play drums. And since I had a better internal metronome than Johan, I got the call on bass. Because guitarists improve on a very specialized scale, whatever talent they have is magnified, whereas their bandmates rarely get the credit they deserve. As far as writing music... the fact that in most bands, the lead guitarist does NOT write the music, should say it all right there. -- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3832 **************************