YTSEJAM Digest 3820 Today's Topics: 1) re: Joe Stump Concerts in the Netherlands by AEllis1222 2) Thank you, Dr. Mosh by KEZCOM 3) Strong PROGress by "Ryan Good, Loud Rock Freak" 4) Re: Moaning by Ivan Navarro 5) Re:blonds.. by Dirty Water Scott 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3817 by Matthew Smith 7) "...accused of a crime they didn't commit..." by Lobsterback 8) Nuno by Phil Carter 9) ProgEst '98 by Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB) 10) Attack of the Neon Shark by Phil Carter 11) New guy by Simon Wilkins 12) Alien Love video by Carlos Alfaro 13) Re: You Not Me vs. You or Me by Steve Zebrowski 14) Best Concert Experience by Chris Dixon 15) An interesting idea, For the love of eMpTyV by Kevin Andrew Loechner ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:10:48 EDT From: AEllis1222 To: karies@wxs.nl, email_address_removed Subject: re: Joe Stump Concerts in the Netherlands Message-ID: Unfortunately, the entire European tour, including the Netherlands, was cancelled last week. Joe told me this on Monday. Sorry! He said there was a possibility of rescheduling it for September. ~~~~~Art www.joestump.com <<>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:23:50 EDT From: KEZCOM To: email_address_removed Subject: Thank you, Dr. Mosh Message-ID: Sir Mosh, The answer is ...............YES! Thank you for your endorsement. Please send checks payable to 'Official Ytsejam Commentator'@aol.com. I'll be happy to respond with some lame, unfunny, one or two line post in your honor. Again, thank you for your continued support. Kez ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:50:32 -0500 From: "Ryan Good, Loud Rock Freak" To: email_address_removed Subject: Strong PROGress Message-ID: Hey all... Just a quick reminder that Strong PROGress will be on in full force today (Thursday) from 2pm to 4pm (Central Standard Time). We've got this week + next week, then we're off the air until May 30th when the summer semester kicks in. SO, in other words, make your requests TODAY by calling 608-265-WSUM or e-mailing email_address_removed Thanks, and L8R ____________________________________________________________________ WSUM - MADISON STUDENT RADIO to go FM in OCTOBER '98 at 91.7!!!!!!!! ____________________________________________________________________ "Pretty Fine Day If I Say So" - Always Almost ____________________________________________________________________ Ryan Good - WSUM - Assistant Music Director / Loud Rock Director "The World is Tuning In..." WSUM/MSR Homepage - http://msr.wisc.edu Host of Strong Progress, Thursdays from 2pm till 4pm Home - 608-285-8695 Radio - 608-262-1206 Office Hours: Wed 10-11, Thurs 12-1, various other times... ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 30 Apr 1998 10:09:21 -0400 From: Ivan Navarro To: email_address_removed (IPM Return requested) Subject: Re: Moaning Message-ID: <070BD35488611001*/c=US/admd=ATTMAIL/prmd=GOV+NOAA/o=CCNWS/s=Navarro/g=Ivan/@MHS> Moaning? How about, "Sex (I'm a...) - Berlin. OK, now that I've posted this, I'm bracing myself for te flames! Keep in mind that I'm old, it was the 80's, and except for listening RUSH it was embarrassing just to be alive-- not to mention the clothes and the hair! I-Man ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:20:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Dirty Water Scott To: email_address_removed Subject: Re:blonds.. Message-ID: >REASONS WHY DOGS DON'T USE COMPUTERS >1. Can't stick their heads out of Windows '95. >2. Fetch command not available on all platforms. >3. Hard to read the monitor with your head cocked to one side. >4. Too difficult to "mark" every web site they visit. >5. Can't help attacking the screen when they hear "You've Got Mail. >6. Involuntary tail wagging is dead giveaway they're browsing >www.pethouse.com instead of working. >7. Keep bruising noses trying to catch that virtual Frisbee. >8. Not at all fooled by Chuckwagon Screen Saver. >9. Still trying to come up with an emoticon that signifies >Tail wagging. >10. Three words: Carpal Paw Syndrome. >11. Saliva coated floppy disks refuse to work. >12. SIT and STAY were hard enough; DELETE and SAVE >are out of the question! >13. Distracted by cats chasing the mouse. >14. TrO{gO HyAqR4tDc TgrOo TgYPmE WeIjTyH P;AzWqS,. > ("Too hard to type with paws!") Scott ps. DON'T forget about the VH concert live from the 10 spot on MTV friday night. :) ***************************************************************** Some balls are held for charity and some for fancy dress,but when they're held for pleasure they're the balls that I like best My balls are always bouncing to the left and to the right, it's my belief that my big balls should be held every night. ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:24:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Smith To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3817 Message-ID: > > Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:22:39 -0400 > From: Chris Calabrese > To: email_address_removed > Subject: Take Away My Pain > Message-ID: > > > I'm sick and tired of hearing the majority of the jammers bashing TAMP. > I just wanted to say a few things. First of all, it's one of my > favorite DT songs of all time. Furthermore, I think it's a real shame > that the majority of you guys...and gals have no respect for it at all. > I'm a musician, and most of the time, I really don't care what a song is > about, but every now and then I do. And this is one of those times. JP > wrote this song about dealing with the death of his father. WHO GIVES A > FUCK if it's a cliched song or it's not heavy or it's not played at 90 > miles per hour? Don't you have any respect? Respect for Petrucci and his late father? Sure. Respect for this song? No way, not I. I don't care if it's "not heavy or it's not played at 90 miles per hour", but I do care about the cliched thing. DT has always been a band that has been far above normalcy and cliches, IMO. I don't know where you get off thinking we have to "respect this *song*". Now, disrespecting JP and the situation leading to this song is a different matter altogether; but, as far as I've seen, no one's done that. I respect what he was trying to do in this song, I simply don't like the way he did it. It doesn't appeal to me in the least, and if I want to say I think it's crap, I will. > TAMP has more feeling and > emotion than the majority of DT's songs. LOL > And as far as the music goes, > I think it's some of Petrucci's best playing ever. Right before and > during the part where JL sings "His final score, the actor bows...," > crank your stereo. Listen to the fast playing in the background. It's > very subtle, but you can make it out. It reminds me a lot of Robert > Fripp's playing during "Frame by Frame." The solo has so much emotion > built up into it, and the majority of the song is made up of arpeggios > played over and over again by Petrucci. I'm not saying you have to love > the song, but have some respect for it. Petrucci was nice enough to > share a topic with the fans that obviously is very disturbing to him, > and saddens him a great deal. So the next time you hear TAMP, think for > a second about what the song really means. Think about how it would > feel if one of your parents died, and then make your judgments. I guess I really missed the part where anyone on here was disrespecting the death of JP's father... Again, just because we respect what happened doesn't mean we have to respect the way he wrote about it. I just think it has been done better many times (aka Hetfield). But, that's just my opinion based on my personal taste and preference. If TAMP is your style, more power to you. But don't tell me what I have to like or respect. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Currently Playing: Symphony X--The Divine Wings of Tragedy ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith "When Dream and Day Unite, Images and Words email_address_removed Awake A Change of Seasons Falling Into Infinity." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:27:41 -0400 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: "...accused of a crime they didn't commit..." Message-ID: >Of course, they were also the first band to have a flute player, >but that piece of shit ripoff band Jethro Tull gets credit for it. Any >way, I spend enough time ranting about how Tull ripped off the Moodies, >back to the mellotron. I suggest checking up on band-history before putting your foot in your mouth with a ridiculous statement like that one. Ian Anderson bought a flute at a pawn shop because it was cheap, looked interesting, and would serve as a mighty fine gimmick for his *blues* band, so as to make them distinguishable. (This band would later be known as Jethro Tull.) Anyhow, his reasoning did not include anywhere in there anything about ripping off the Moody Blues, who weren't even commercially successful yet (their most popular albums weren't around yet when Tull was a flute-equipped barband). Not to mention the flute styles of the two bands aren't anywhere close to being similar. C'mon, I'm sure find yourself a better conspiracy theory than that one. Like how the Eagles ripped off the tune of "Hotel California" from Jethro Tull's "We Used To Know". Maybe it was subconscious, being that the Eagles opened for Tull back when they were playing WUTK (the year before HC came out), but the two songs have a disquieting similarity... Back to your regularly scheduled threads. Brian "CIA Scapegoat" Henderson =========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:36:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Phil Carter To: Liquid Tension Ytse Subject: Nuno Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... Nathan inquired: > Well then what about Nuno's acoustic solo piece 'Midnight Express' > from _Waiting for the Punchline_? Nuno shows off his amazing chops > there, and he manages doing the whole hammer on/pull off stuff on the > heavier gauged acoustic guitar. He's got me baffled there as well, I've > yet to figure out the alternate tuning he's using, or is he using an > acoustic seven string? Having been in the front row for an Extreme concert (he preened), I can say that it was a 6-string acoustic. At the time (III Sides to Every Story had just been released) the solo was called "Midnight Train", and it sounded a bit different, but it was played on a 6-string. Very impressive live. Ta, Phil ======================================================================= Phil Carter -- email_address_removed (work), email_address_removed (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Jesus saves.... ..but Jagr picks up the rebound and SCORES!!!!!" GO PITTSBURGH PENGUINS!!! Currently playing: Bob Culbertson -- "A Moment in Time" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 10:39:15 -0400 From: Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB) To: email_address_removed ('DT') Subject: ProgEst '98 Message-ID: <1998Apr30.102553.1255.2344178@msmail.ic.gc.ca> Hello.. I picked this info on the Ghostland site this morning: ProgEst '98 The ProgEst festival in Quebec will be held from June 25 to July 5. Bands already on the bill are Pendragon, Discipline, IQ, Peter Hammill and Spock's Beard. The organizers are awaiting the word from one more band and the full line-up will be completed by May 10. Ok.. I've heard of SB.. I will pick up an album from them.. but what about the other bands? does anyone have any info about it... cuz I'd really like to go... Thx in advance XaNaDu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:08:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Phil Carter To: Liquid Tension Ytse Subject: Attack of the Neon Shark Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... I wrote the following about Alex Masi's "Attack of the Neon Shark": >> just lots of notes jumbled together at high speed. It doesn't even have >> the real melodic quality of many neoclassical shred albums and then Per remarked: > You say Masi is neoclassical? Eh, I don't know about that... maybe one > track or another is, but on the whole, the album shows no influences to > me, it just stinks. Just think about track 4, "DFWM" - oh me oh my! Just > a lot of notes, one guitar alone with a delay, 32nd notes almost all > over, and no melodic content whatsoever. I said that Masi's work doesn't have the real melodic quality of many neoclassical shred albums. I didn't say he *was* neoclassical -- for that, you have to have some melody in your shred, and I don't think this album does for the most part. BTW, your complaints with "DWFM" were almost my exact ones. "Where's the melody?" I was thinking. Yeah, the speed was impressive, but after hearing it once or twice I stopped finding it interesting. The album does have one redeeming feature. Masi listed Holdsworth as one of his big influences, and I think Holdsworth plays a solo or two someplace. Ta, Phil ======================================================================= Phil Carter -- email_address_removed (work), email_address_removed (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Jesus saves.... ...but Jagr picks up the rebound and SCORES!!!!!" GO PITTSBURGH PENGUINS!!! Currently playing: Adiemus -- "Songs of Sanctuary" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:07:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Simon Wilkins To: email_address_removed Subject: New guy Message-ID: Hi, I have been reading the jam now for quite a few months and it has been very funny and interesting and I thought its about time I started writing in. First some info for European Paul Gilbert fans... This is from the Japanese Mr. Big fan website ------------ Message from Paul Gilbert Apr 24, 1998 Hello! Here is the latest information regarding my King of Clubs European Rock and Roll Clinic Tour sponsored by Ibanez Guitars and Laney Amplifiers! I hope to see you there!!! DATE CITY VENUE May 10 Rimini, Italy DISMA Music Show May 11 Bologna, Italy All for Music May 12 Pisa, Italy Grandi Magazzini della Musica May 13 Milano, Italy Lucky Music S.r.l. May 14 Nancy, France TBA May 15 Paris, France TBA May 16 Athens, Greece Mousikorama '98/ Stadium Piece and Friendship May 18 Madrid, Spain TBA May 19 Porto-Aveiro, Portugal Auditorio do Centro Cultural May 20 Lisbon, Portugal Auditorio da UACDL May 21 London(Guildford), UK Andertons Music May 22 Manchester, UK A1 Music May 23 Birmingham, UK Musical Exchange May 24 Doncaster, UK Electro Music May 26 Berlin, Germany Sound & Drumland May 27 Kiel, Germany Insound May 28 Hamburg, Germany No. 1 Music Park May 29 Ibbenburen, Germany Musik Produktiv May 30 Hartenstein, Germany Musikhaus Markstein June 2 Frankfurt, Germany Musik-Schmidt June 3 Karlsruhe, Germany Rockshop June 4 Treppendorf, Germany Musikhaus Thomann June 5 Koln, Germany Art of Sound June 6 Sulzbach, Germany Six + Four Please note...all dates are subject to change. Please contact your local Ibanez/Laney dealer for times and confirmation. I am very excited to play in Europe. It has been over a year since I have been there and I can't wait to come back and rock! My new album "King of Clubs" has just been released in Europe and the United States. I hope that you enjoy it! I plan on touring in some cities in the U.S. this summer. I will keep you posted of my schedule via e-mail and I hope to be in your city soon! Thank you for listening! Sincerely, Paul ---------- ---------- Now some DTC London DT fans... Has anybody bought any DT boot videos from a guy in Camden? Are they any good? 20 quid a vid How about a get together in a pub (natch) before the DT Forum gig in London next month? All the best Simon Look out for my band CEREAL KILLER we might almost be as big as Stormwatch ps-Roger from Brasil Que onda? I will be in touch for some boots soon pps Anyone in the UK with some DT boots? ppps Anyone out there with some Mr. Big boots? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:24:42 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro To: Ytse Jam Mailing List Subject: Alien Love video Message-ID: Could someone please email me some description/track list of Vai's alien love secrets video?? Thanks In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:53:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: You Not Me vs. You or Me Message-ID: I can't believe how many people actually prefer You or Me to You Not Me. I will admit that there are some parts of You or Me that I would have kept, such as: the synth bass intro the interlude but that's it. the chorus is MUCH stronger in YNM both musically and lyrically. the lyrics are just better throughout. I don't think there was anything WRONG with them before, but the song is MUCH MORE COHERENT as YNM. I am personally glad they: changed the words and key of the chorus, and put the break in there shortned the "jam" section eliminated the silly "I need som pencils..." sample at the beginning I really like YNM. the first time I heard it I remember my gf called me and said she just downloaded it, listened to it and cried because it was so bad. The first time I heard it I just said, "Enh, this sin't so bad. It's a single." And it gradually grew on me. When I heard YoM, I IMMEDIATELY knew which I liked better. Just some thoughts... Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:58:13 -0400 From: Chris Dixon To: email_address_removed Subject: Best Concert Experience Message-ID: The new Prog-Net survey is underway. The new topic is 'Favorite Concert Experience'. This time, the votes will be collected in a database, so the results will be accurate and sortable in several different ways. Stop by and cast your vote! Prog-Net is: http://www.isminternet.com/prognet/ "Reviews and Opinions About Progressive Music" Thanks, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:18:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Kevin Andrew Loechner To: email_address_removed Subject: An interesting idea, For the love of eMpTyV Message-ID: Hey 'Jammers, I thought of something extremely humorous here. I think that DT should make a JLMB video, and if eMpTyV actually played this video (unlike other DT videos which never get played by them) it would be extremely humorous. I would love to see some eMpTyV bashing on eMpTyV itself. I just saw the lamest thing about that "wonderful pop culture" station recently. You know the Daily Show section on the new VJ, and now eMpTyV has its first VJ that was a product of their cultural vacuum. Speaking of pop "culture", I just don't see how so many intelligent people can get sucked into its vacuum. There is so much out there that has to be explored, what is the fun of having culture pushed in our face. Now, I don't expect everybody to worship DT, Rush, etc., but I do expect an understanding of the talent of the bands and how they defy the status quo. No thanks to all the big wigs in the music industry, almost no one can think for themselves. What we need is more independent thought. I think that if everyone would think for themselves and define their own culture (culture as a way of making sense of the world around us, which it is supposed to be -- the very definition implies independent thought, but it is often stifled by an overwhelming "culture machine"). Just how does this relate to DT might you say: 1. Dream Theater is not part of the huge juggernaut that is our pop culture machine (although, oddly signed by a major label, but they don't get much promotion or attention from the company, imo) 2. If more people got an interest in Dream Theater and other progressive bands, the world could rid itself of such blights as those five "wannabe" she-Beatles, those cocaine snorting Beatle rip-offs, that band that should "Push" itself into a pit, and those she-boy teen idol bands. Figure them out for yourselves, because it would put a jinx on me if I wrote their names here. 3. Dream Theater is just better than all of these "pop" losers. Well, that is just some food for thought (hopefully independent thoughts). Must return to my exciting work. Later, Kevin Loechner http://studentweb.tulane.edu/~kloechn email_address_removed email_address_removed "Feed my head with some real thoughts, and let me think instead of being taught." 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