YTSEJAM Digest 3806 Today's Topics: 1) Who the f--k is Hank? by Per Pettersson 2) Century Media... by "Ryan Good, Loud Music Guy" 3) Confusing situation and a bit 'bout John P by Per Pettersson 4) re: New thread: Album themes, part 1 by Pat Sullivan 5) Re: VOTE FOR HANK!!! by Al Balkiewicz 6) re: FII album theme by Pat Sullivan 7) re: JP restraint on FII by Pat Sullivan 8) Sheesh! by Carol Dellinger 9) Re: Confusing situation and a bit 'bout John P by Carlos Alfaro 10) Re: New thread: Album themes, part 1 by Carlos Alfaro 11) DOH!!! (say all the Houston Jammers) by <@pdq.net> 12) Savatage!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Matthew Smith 13) King's X & Extreme by Dan Temmesfeld 14) Re: DT Ramblings and rumors by "John E. Martin" 15) Re: Sheesh! by Lisa Marie 16) moaning women by Al Balkiewicz 17) Mike Bahr: Universally loved by KEZCOM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:35:34 +0100 From: Per Pettersson To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Who the f--k is Hank? Message-ID: <98Apr28.153910gmt+message_id_removed.se> ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD72BB.499208C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Wow, this Hank thing is REALLY taking off!! Eh, excuse me... who the fuck is this "Hank" and what the hell is going on, anyway? Meanless shit, I suppose... //Per ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD72BB.499208C0 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IiMNAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYAAAEAAAEAAAAMAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL AA8OAAAAAAIB/w8BAAAAOwAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHl0c2VqYW1AYXguY29t AFNNVFAAeXRzZWphbUBheC5jb20AAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEAAAAPAAAAeXRz ZWphbUBheC5jb20AAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEwAQAAABEAAAAneXRzZWphbUBheC5jb20n AAAAAAIBCzABAAAAFAAAAFNNVFA6WVRTRUpBTUBBWC5DT00AAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAAIB9g8B AAAABAAAAAAAAALYKQEEgAEAFgAAAFdobyB0aGUgZi0tayBpcyBIYW5rPwC3BgEFgAMADgAAAM4H BAAcAA8AIwAiAAIASwEBIIADAA4AAADOBwQAHAAPACIAIgACAEoBAQmAAQAhAAAAQUEyOTBDQkJB RERFRDExMTg0MjcwMDIwQUY1QTc2MUEAPAcBA5AGAMACAAAUAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYAAAAAAAsA KQAAAAAAAwAuAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQAgAWmFqnK9AR4AcAABAAAAFgAAAFdobyB0aGUgZi0t ayBpcyBIYW5rPwAAAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAG9cqqFYbsMKaverRHRhCcAIK9adhoAAB4AHgwBAAAA BQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAfDAEAAAAZAAAAbnY5OTcwMUBlZ3ltbi50cmFuZW1vLnNlAAAAAAMABhAp 1U79AwAHEHwAAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABXT1csVEhJU0hBTktUSElOR0lTUkVBTExZVEFLSU5HT0ZG RUgsRVhDVVNFTUVXSE9USEVGVUNLSVNUSElTIkhBTksiQU5EV0hBVFRIRUhFTExJU0dPSU5HT04s QU5ZV0FZP01FAAAAAAIBCRABAAAANAEAADABAAAFAgAATFpGdXN6H87/AAoBDwIVAqQD5AXrAoMA UBMDVAIAY2gKwHNldO4yBgAGwwKDMgPGBxMCg7ozEw19CoAIzwnZOxX/eDI1NQKACoENsQtgbjBn MTA1FCALA2xpvDM2DfALVRLyDAFjAEC8ID4K4QtkFCIMAXADYAZ0BZAFQFdvdywgpHRoBAAgSABw ax0SBRkAIB1BUkVBTExSWR0QYWsd4m8N0CFOIQqPGmwfhUVoHQBlqHhjdRHwIAeALiKwMCB3aG8d ESJwZnUuYx2gHUEdIyIdciIgdQBwZCLhYQVAIzIjQGzTAyAdQWdvHvNuHQAAcKB5d2F5PwXQZQBw VmwHkAQgcx0wdB0ASeEnoHVwcG8R8CKxH4XxH4UvL1AEkB+LGc8cKQsfhRUhAC1AAwAQEAEAAAAD ABEQAAAAAEAABzAAI9thqnK9AUAACDAAI9thqnK9AR4APQABAAAAAQAAAAAAAAADAA00/TcAAO6h ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD72BB.499208C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 19:58:10 -0500 From: "Ryan Good, Loud Music Guy" To: email_address_removed Subject: Century Media... Message-ID: Roger Brito said something to the effect of this: Anyway, what I said was that they were the second biggest selling act from Century Media. They're not the biggest ones (which is Emperor). But I do know that The Gathering has a very big sales potential (it's obvious after one listens to "Mandylion"). I believe that Stuck Mojo is the highest selling for Century, but this piece of trivia might only count in the US...Emperor might be biggest selling around the world.....which is weird I dig century. I dig Opeth too. ____________________________________________________________________ WSUM - MADISON STUDENT RADIO to go FM in OCTOBER '98 at 91.7!!!!!!!! ____________________________________________________________________ "Pretty Fine Day If I Say So" - Always Almost ____________________________________________________________________ Ryan Good - WSUM - Assistant Music Director / Loud Rock Director "The World is Tuning In..." WSUM/MSR Homepage - http://msr.wisc.edu Host of Strong Progress, Thursdays from 2pm till 4pm Home - 608-285-8695 Radio - 608-262-1206 Office Hours: Wed 10-11, Thurs 12-1, various other times... ____________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:52:47 +0100 From: Per Pettersson To: "'Multiple recipients of list'" Subject: Confusing situation and a bit 'bout John P Message-ID: <98Apr28.155754gmt+message_id_removed.se> Yo, yammers! (I knou its mispelldd) This discussion about FII is confusing me a bit... I've been wondering = if I should buy the CD or not, since I *love* I&W and Awake. I've seen = so many people with so different opinions about FII and the discussion = on this f-n list doesn't help me the least... But for all of you = jammers, I've got a question: Which one should I buy first (I will buy = them all - in time): FII, Dark Side of the Moon (PF), Meddle (PF), WDADU, The Light (Spock's = Beard) or Aquarium (Aqua)... Just kiddin' with that last one, OK? And another thing: I don't really know what to think about John Petrucci... I mean, he's an = inevidable asset for the band DT, and he sure as hell got the *speed* = and the *perfection*... but has he got the *feeling*? After listening to = Satriani and Vai (The Masters!!!) I find some of Petrucci's play = rather... pathetic... oh maybe that's not the word I'm seeking... excuse = me, but Petrucci's play doesn't have the *sparkle* or the *move* that JS = and SV have. Oh, what an UNFAIR comparison, you think... When I first heard of JP there was a friend of mine having seen the LIT = video, and he said that JP was the best he's ever seen... maybe he (and = I) got it all wrong, so forgive me. Happy Jamming! //Per Pettersson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:15:37 From: Pat Sullivan To: email_address_removed Subject: re: New thread: Album themes, part 1 Message-ID: Actually, I'd like to turn this is a more on-topic direction and bring up a point I made shortly after FII came out and see if it sticks this time. :) The observation that I made was that most of the songs on FII contain lyrics about water (the ocean, rain, rivers, tears, etc.). More than that, most of these lyrics are metaphorical in that the water represents something else (a cleansing influence, or a barrier to be crossed, for example). I don't think this represents an overall "theme", at least partially because all the songs aren't connected in this way. It just struck me during the early listens of the album. When I mentioned this the first time, several people said to me "Well, the band is from LI, so they're close to the water - of course they'd write about it a lot". Well, I only live about 20 miles or so from the ocean, and while I may not write up to the standards of DT, I can safely say that although the ocean *is* a part of my *life*, it has never been a major component in my writing, so I'm not sure I buy that argument. And...to add my penny to the FII opinions thread - I'm part of the minority that believe tha FII is by far DT's best and most coherent album yet, although I must admit, I don't love every song on it. My favorite DT instumental is Eve. It would take a major coup to displace it. Hell, I played Eve at my *wedding*. :) And my favorite mis-heard lyric on FII: "People that go though flesh" on New Millenium (instead of "People so cold, ruthless") - followed closely by "Strike up your best X-rated posture" on JLMB. Let's keep this up everyone. Coherent, intelligent, on-topic content on the Ytsejam - who would've thunk it? _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________ E-mail: (psull)-(at)-(ici)-(dot)-(net) IRC: DDictator WWW: http://www.just-like.nu/ ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:13:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: VOTE FOR HANK!!! Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, L. Jason Hartman wrote: > When I sent the message the other day, he had about 300 and some votes > and was sitting at #35. Now, he has over 3000 votes and it NUMBER 2!! > > He's right behind Leonarde DiCraprio. He needs less than 1000 votes > to take the lead. Please go to the following site and vote if > you haven't done so already... > > http://www.pathfinder.com/people/50most/1998/vote/index.html > > Make sure you get the name right, it's... > Hank the Angry, Drunken Dwarf > Make sure you put the comma in. Hank is also in 45th place for those people who didn't put the comma in. -Al ===================================================================== b l i n d l a b o r s t h e b l i n d a n d I a m u n w i l l i n g t o u n c o v e r m y e y e s ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ email_address_removed OR email_address_removed OR email_address_removed HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:29:08 From: Pat Sullivan To: email_address_removed Subject: re: FII album theme Message-ID: Well, I hadn't gotten to part 4 or 5 or whatever before I made that last post, so I guess I'll have to repsond here. That's what I get for not catching up with the reading before posting. :) > And what about FII? It's their most diverse work to date, which as I >said, usually dilutes the thematic strength of the work. I think the >most appropriate theme we can connect everything with is "experience". Actually, I'm not sure that you can call such a catch-all thing as "experience" a theme. Just about every (thoughtful) song that is written is based on *someone's* experience, so you could use this same arguement for just about any album. But, to play devil's advocate, I'd like to suggest that rather than Experience, this album is more about Emotion. even though the songs are very diverse, each one seems to have it's own "emotional" signature, from the anticipation on NM, to the anger of JLMB to the sadness of AL and the roller-coaster in TAMP, to LITS, which seems to represent emotions and feelings that don't even really have names. I wrote a poem once called Voices (it predated Awake) in which the main character internalized his emotions, and ended up with a different "voice" in his head representing a different emotion. To me, this is what FII does - each song is a representation a a different emotion, which in the end probably paints a fairly accurate picture of the band's "state of mind" leading up to the album's recording/release. _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________ E-mail: (psull)-(at)-(ici)-(dot)-(net) IRC: DDictator WWW: http://www.just-like.nu/ ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:37:28 From: Pat Sullivan To: email_address_removed Subject: re: JP restraint on FII Message-ID: >I actually didn't feel that his solos fit the new songs as >well, since it seemed that he was restraining his natural >urges (shred shred shred, ie LTE) in order to "fit" >the song. Well, to use an (probably bad) analogy, picture a man that's married to a beautiful woman. After a few years, his mind starts to wander and he starts having fantasies (or an affair) with what the rest of the world might consider a very plain-looking woman. While we on the outside can't understand what he's doing, the truth is that her looks are not the issue. She is attractive to him because she is *different*. I think the same can be true here. Just because JP is capable of doing more doesn't mean that "stretching" his abilities can't lead to simpler music rather than more complex. _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________ E-mail: (psull)-(at)-(ici)-(dot)-(net) IRC: DDictator WWW: http://www.just-like.nu/ ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 07:35:21 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger To: email_address_removed Subject: Sheesh! Message-ID: What is this? Some last minute push by Mike Bahr for Most Frequent Poster? I guess this means that he is all caught up in his backlogged orders if he has all this time to sit at his computer and type lengthy long winded e-mails. Yes, I know I have a delete button, which has been worn out from all the deleting I have been doing lately. But sheesh...gimme a break.....it took forever to d/l my e-mail this morning! toodles....back to the Shadows I go..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:59:21 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Confusing situation and a bit 'bout John P Message-ID: Per Pettersson wrote: > Yo, yammers! (I knou its mispelldd) > > This discussion about FII is confusing me a bit... I've been wondering = > if I should buy the CD or not, since I *love* I&W and Awake. I've seen = > so many people with so different opinions about FII and the discussion = > on this f-n list doesn't help me the least... But for all of you = > jammers, I've got a question: Which one should I buy first (I will buy = > them all - in time): > FII, Dark Side of the Moon (PF), Meddle (PF), WDADU, The Light (Spock's = > Beard) or Aquarium (Aqua)... Just kiddin' with that last one, OK? > And another thing: > I don't really know what to think about John Petrucci... I mean, he's an = > inevidable asset for the band DT, and he sure as hell got the *speed* = > and the *perfection*... but has he got the *feeling*? After listening to = > Satriani and Vai (The Masters!!!) I find some of Petrucci's play = > rather... pathetic... oh maybe that's not the word I'm seeking.. Ok this will answer *BOTH* your questions.... you should get Falling into Infinity..., listening to Petrucci there you will find his *feeling*. In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:02:58 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: New thread: Album themes, part 1 Message-ID: Pat Sullivan wrote: > And my favorite mis-heard lyric on FII: "People that go though flesh" on > New Millenium (instead of "People so cold, ruthless") - followed closely by > "Strike up your best X-rated posture" on JLMB. > You can add : God has perfect underweeeeeeeeearrrr! in Trial of Tears right before the solos when hes supposed to say : Not much better than the man you hate! In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:22:41 -0500 From: <@pdq.net> To: Subject: DOH!!! (say all the Houston Jammers) Message-ID: >Everything from my last post is now CONFIRMED. >The only changes are in the final 3 shows in Texas. >They are as follows: > >May 98 >22nd : Lubbock, TX @ Depots 19th St Warehouse > >23rd : Fort Worth, TX @ Caravan of Dreams > >24th : San Antonio, TX @ Blue Bonnet Palace Say it ain't true. Lubbock instead of Houston? The 4th largest city in the United States gets passed up again! Too bad I'm not moving to Phoenix until June. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:51:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Smith To: Ytsejam Subject: Savatage!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: Hey Jammers-- I'm pretty freakin' happy because I just found out about the Savatage show at the Masquerade in Atlanta on June 18 (Thurs.)! I'm going, along with at least two other people that I know of. I wanted to find out if anybody else from the Jam will be making the trip. Let me know if you're going. YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Currently Playing: Dave Matthews Band--Before These Crowded Streets ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith "When Dream and Day Unite, Images and Words email_address_removed Awake A Change of Seasons Falling Into Infinity." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:03:32 -0400 From: Dan Temmesfeld To: email_address_removed Subject: King's X & Extreme Message-ID: > Does anyone else hear the similarities? i understand how you'd think that. personally, i don't think they are too much alike, but i can see where you may be coming from... > Who influenced who? well, probably neither. i mean both groups are big into the beatles and queen. extreme tends to go more along more VH influences, where i feel t hat KX tends to be a chunky/funky/soulful mix of the beatles, traditional gospel (you can hear it in doug's vocals), and a bit of u2... i'm quite positive that nuno and camp have heard of KX, and vice versa. but both bands came out around the same time, and i don't see one of them being a major influence on the other at all. > Is this cd really the best of King's X? well, yes and no. it was a good snippet. KX, like DT, is one of those bands who has a wide range of musical works. i love so 'em much, that of the 6 KX CDs (to date), i could fill up 5 full CDs with my greatest hits of KX... :) i'd rank 'em (fav on top, the bottom is great too): -dogman (1994) -gretchen goes to nebraska (1989) -ear candy (1996) -king's x (1992?) -out of the silent planet (1988) -faith hope love (1990?) and, of course, there are many different opinions on KX... happy hunting, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:09:24 -0700 From: "John E. Martin" To: Subject: Re: DT Ramblings and rumors Message-ID: <005c01bd72c0$032fe640$message_id_removed> >Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:01:57 EDT >From: email_address_removed (Andrew M Wallace) >To: email_address_removed >Subject: DT Ramblings and rumours < snip!> >"Better to save the mystery, than surrender to the secret." > > DREAM THEATER: Surrounded. Hold it now... Wait a minute... ;) What DT song was that quote from again? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:13:24 -0700 From: Lisa Marie To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Sheesh! Message-ID: Carol Dellinger wrote: > What is this? Some last minute push by Mike Bahr for Most Frequent Poster? > I guess this means that he is all caught up in his backlogged orders if he > has all this time to sit at his computer and type lengthy long winded > e-mails. Yes, I know I have a delete button, which has been worn out from > all the deleting I have been doing lately. But sheesh...gimme a > break.....it took forever to d/l my e-mail this morning! Well, that was pretty uncalled for. We're finally getting some good DTC on this list, and you complain? Sounds like someone needs a nap. -- Lisa Marie email_address_removed ICQ uin # 1518578 http://www.dreamt.org/jessie -- THOUGHTS - The Spock's Beard Mailing List Homepage http://www.dreamt.org/spocksbeard/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:28:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Balkiewicz To: TheListFromTheDepthsOfHell Subject: moaning women Message-ID: ok, let me start off by saying this is not for me. (really) My friend asked about songs that have moaning women in it. Two examples were: Rocket Queen - Guns N Roses More Human than Human - White Zombie Oh, music aficionados on this list, can you name others? This is the challenge I propose to you, one and all. To hell with FII opinions and themes, we must have priorities! :P -Al ps - seriously, any help would be appreciated. He might be doing this for academic reasons, like a paper or something. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:33:12 EDT From: KEZCOM To: email_address_removed Subject: Mike Bahr: Universally loved Message-ID: Everyone, Go check out Itchy's new subtitle on UACM. Mark, you are the greatest. Keep up the good work. Kez ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3806 **************************