YTSEJAM Digest 3750 Today's Topics: 1) Spock's Beard by Carol Dellinger 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3737 by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal 3) Re: Bootleg by "Vincent G. LuPone" 4) Re: Chicago tickets by "Dale R. Newberry" 5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749 by AEllis1222 6) Re: California shows by email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) 7) Artistic integrity by Mike Pontrelli 8) re: DT opening band by Brian Hansen 9) Candy from the baby's mouth by Rick Audet 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749 by Matt Stanich 11) Re: Artistic integrity by Matt Johnston 12) NDC...Revenge! by "The time is near it is quite clear..." 13) Re: DT opening band by Carlos Alfaro 14) Re: NDC...Revenge! by "Christopher R. Merlo" 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749 by DOPDAT 16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749 by "Christopher R. Merlo" 17) Re: LTE dropouts on 3 M W by Portnoy420 18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3746 by "Ernesto Lotitto" 19) Digital Ruin and other mp3s by email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:09:55 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger To: email_address_removed Subject: Spock's Beard Message-ID: Greetings Peoples! You may get a more detailed post later from other Jammers who went or from Lisa Marie herself but I just had to share! Anyway, yesterday several members of the Cali Crew Ytsejammers from the San Francisco Bay Area made the "Trek" down to see SB at the Roxy in LA. (Hi Lisa, Steve, Ryan and Matt G!) Okay I am very hoarse as I screamed, shouted and sang thru the entire 2 hours of eargasms! WOW! What can I say ...the show was brilliant. If you haven't had the opportunity to listen to any of their material, please go and find some time to do so. These guys are amazingly tight, on time and have some terrific harmonies. All the guys have great rapport with the audience and it shows in their playing! A high point for me was when they played The Doorway and The Light! Of course watching Ryo with his portable synth drop down into the audience and play around was thrilling as I and Lisa had smuggled in 2 camera's and I pray I got what I think will be some terrific shots! As soon as I give them to Lisa for her to put up on her web page (she runs Thoughts, the SB list) either Lisa or myself will let you know where to go and view them! I am not sure of the correct and Official set list...but I can tell you that they did my fave SB tune and the one Lisa made me play first and it got me hooked: The Doorway! Talk about a moment! They also played June, Go the Way you Go, Cakewalk on Easy Street, Thoughts, Beware of Darkness, Walking on the Wind (another moment of greatness) The Light, and I know I am forgetting some songs. Lisa, or if anyone else remembers, please can you add to this list and maybe put them in order? Okay now even my fingers are hoarse from typing...I have had like no sleep and ya know what...It was all worth it! toodles....back to the Shadows I go! Coldfire email_address_removed Gallery of Shadows the Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows "Fly where your dreams go....." Cyrstalline Dreams - Shadow Gallery ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:10:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3737 Message-ID: i have thought about it for a minute now....let me see...mmmhhhh, i think we really are ripping off DT, no.......mmmhhh, i take that back. We are doing them a huge favor, no.......mmmhhh, i m confused now! What is this all about? I look out for DT boots since i want to hear more music from them, and in no way i feel like i m ripping them off. Maybe i m....but at least MP understands why a lot of DT "fans" look out for bootleg releases. Mauricio On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, KingMcGyve wrote: > > Have any of you "fans" ever once thought that you are blatantly STEALING money > from Dream Theater everytime you buy a bootleg from whoever? Not to mention > their artistic integrity. Think about that..............take the time > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:34:07 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Bootleg Message-ID: >Have any of you "fans" ever once thought that you are blatantly STEALING money >from Dream Theater everytime you buy a bootleg from whoever? Not to mention >their artistic integrity. Think about that..............take the time Portnoy must not mind "stealing" from himself every time he orders a Mike Bahr DT bootleg then, huh? ~Vinnie (hates Physics) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:44:47 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Chicago tickets Message-ID: Hey, anyone know if tickets for the Chicago DT show are on sale yet? If so, how/where can I order/get them? Dale R. Newberry email_address_removed "As miserable as life is, I hold it pretty precious." -Henry Rollins ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:50:04 EDT From: AEllis1222 To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749 Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-15 16:04:47 EDT, you write: << Have any of you "fans" ever once thought that you are blatantly STEALING money from Dream Theater everytime you buy a bootleg from whoever? Not to mention their artistic integrity. Think about that..............take the time >> Ha Ha Ha! Looks like we have an RIAA rep. on the jam! Lighten up! ~~~~~~Art The Official Joe Stump Website http://www.joestump.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:59:47 -0800 From: email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: California shows Message-ID: rjurado wrote: >Just curious. I'm one who's never had the fortune of being at a DT >show. I'm probably going to be >at the HOB shows in L.A. or Maritime Hall in SF. I was just wondering >who was going to be there. I and my firends will be at the Maritime Hall in San Francisco in May 16 for sure. If you can make it, please go to see Present (dark Belgian prog) at the Full Moon Saloon in San Mateo in May 15, too. And the next night after the DT show (May 17) will be Bela Fleck and The Flecktones at the Great American Music Hall in SF. It will be a hell week for me since it's my final week at school. See you, AE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:57:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Pontrelli To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Artistic integrity Message-ID: Some one posted the boots steal a band's money and their artistic integrity. Ive always looked at it this way: If no one recorded the material, a great work of art and creation is lost forever. Think of all the great things Pink Floyd did in the early 70s that are lost FOREVER. Bootlegs (oreos) PRESERVE art! They are BENIFICIAL. As for stealing money from the band - no .. in fact (though no "study" has ever been conducted) I would bet the band bennifits because the bootlegs phyche people up for the concert! Bootlegging an official release of the band is stealing.. but bootlegging somehting that otherwise wouldnt exist is not stealing money. I guess if someone is that concerned they should send the band 5 bucks for every bootleg they buy. If I had my way a band would release every show they perform..and it would only cost 10 bucks instead of 25 or 50, and would be of the HIGHEST quality. Thats an ideal world. Record companies ar4e the ones in power and they wont go for that, so it is the bootleggers who pick up the slack. Most bands (Pink Floyd and Phish included) actually are GLAD that bootlegs circulate around. Its the greedy record companies who get pissed. I am interested to hear Mike Portnoy's views on the subject, whether he approves ro disapproves. I guess knowing that your concert is going to be preserved might make one more nervous in performing but who knows :) Another example.. I have 5 pink floyd oreos, and YET OWN ALL the albums.. no one lost money from me... just some entreprenour gained money from me. OK.. enough of the subject. In short.. I like the idea of preserving art and ould be damned glad if all bands recorded all shows and released the shows themselves (in perfect soundboard quality).. but this is not an ideal world. Cheers -Ponte ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:58:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Hansen To: email_address_removed Subject: re: DT opening band Message-ID: "Paul Gregory Humm" pondered: >I was wondering if anyone has heard any rumors about >possible opening bands for DT's U.S. shows in May. I >think that either Enchant or Spock's Beard would be an >awesome >Any other thoughts on bands you would like to see open >for DT? You didn't hear about the special festival shows they're going to do?! The official line-up will be: Dream Theater (with special guests) Fates Warning Enchant Lemur Voice Chroma Key LTE And during the DT set, Kevin M. and Charlie D. will do guest appearances on appropriate songs... ;-) BH _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:58:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Rick Audet To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Candy from the baby's mouth Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, KingMcGyve wrote: > Have any of you "fans" ever once thought that you are blatantly STEALING money > from Dream Theater everytime you buy a bootleg from whoever? How do you figure ? /me opens another can of rehashed worms. Rick Audet San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:13:32 -0400 From: Matt Stanich To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749 Message-ID: > From: KingMcGyve > To: email_address_removed > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3737 > Message-ID: > > Have any of you "fans" ever once thought that you are blatantly STEALING money > from Dream Theater everytime you buy a bootleg from whoever? Not to mention > their artistic integrity. Think about that..............take the time Hve you ever thought that us 'fans' who buy bootlegs, are the same 'fans' who buy every albums, t-shirt, single, video...? It's not like someone goes out and buys a bootleg as a first time way to hear the band. Have you ever though that the band knows about all the bootlegs and even collects them? Matt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:15:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Artistic integrity Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Apr 1998, Mike Pontrelli wrote: >Another example.. I have 5 pink floyd oreos, and YET OWN ALL the albums.. >no one lost money from me... just some entreprenour gained money from me. That's RoIO's (Recordings of Ideterminante/illegal Origin). Unless you mean you actually have the sanwich cookie shaped in the faces of PF members... ^_^ Would the Syd oreo be multicolored, cycling in an LSD haze of creme filling? Ponder... >-Ponte > > --Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- They Might Be Giants: REM with a sense of humor. --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:32:43 EDT From: "The time is near it is quite clear..." To: email_address_removed Subject: NDC...Revenge! Message-ID: Hello 'Jammers, okay, here's the deal. recently, basically all the guys on my campus got two e-mails from a guy "Jim", saying to look at these pictures on the internet. me and some of my friends want revenge. it may be childish, but, still, we want it. I'm asking for aid in spamming this person. no one knows who he is, nor how or why he choose my campus (1800 students...WHY?). so, please, spam like mad. even better if you have a commercial account he or she can't trace. here's the account: email_address_removed ps-if you really want to see the e-mails he sent, let me know in private. any responses, also, please, e-mail them to me in private! thanks. here's my address: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:44:44 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT opening band Message-ID: Brian Hansen wrote: > "Paul Gregory Humm" pondered: > > >I was wondering if anyone has heard any rumors about >possible > opening bands for DT's U.S. shows in May. I >think that either > Enchant or Spock's Beard would be an >awesome > >Any other thoughts on bands you would like to see open >for DT? > > You didn't hear about the special festival shows they're going to do?! > > The official line-up will be: > > Dream Theater (with special guests) > Fates Warning > Enchant > Lemur Voice > Chroma Key > LTE > > And during the DT set, Kevin M. and Charlie D. will do guest > appearances on appropriate songs... > > ;-) BH > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com You forgot to add the recent additions of Savatage, Angra, Superior and the Spice girls to the show :) -- In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 17:52:25 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: NDC...Revenge! Message-ID: > > Hello 'Jammers, > okay, here's the deal. recently, basically all the guys on my campus > got two e-mails from a guy "Jim", saying to look at these pictures on the > internet. me and some of my friends want revenge. Why? Were they nudie pix of your sister or something? > I'm asking for aid in spamming this person. Count me out. If this person/group/whatever is into spamming, he/they are dying to get more addresses to spam. Go ahead, piss him off. And then be prepared to continually empty your inbox. > here's the account: > email_address_removed If you're angry that you got spam from this address, then send a letter to email_address_removed or email_address_removed. Forward the offending message to them, explain what happened, and (at least temporarily) "Jim" won't be sending mail to *anyone*. -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:01:34 EDT From: DOPDAT To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749 Message-ID: I want you all to know that since September of 1992, I have seen almost every Dream Theater show. Any questions?? F.R. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:49:37 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3749 Message-ID: Doped Up wrote: > I want you all to know that since September of 1992, I have seen almost every > Dream Theater show. Any questions?? Yeah. Can I be you for, like, 10 minutes, just to feel how cool it must be to be you? -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:55:13 EDT From: Portnoy420 To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: LTE dropouts on 3 M W Message-ID: In a message dated 98-04-14 17:30:55 EDT, you write: << One more comment on LTE...the dropoff towards the end of 3 Minute Warning is a really big blemish...I wouldn't say it ruins the track but it's noticeable...is there any reason they couldn't have mixed that part differently to cover the difference in sound? Another question--why is it divided up into five different tracks? I don't get the point of splitting it up like that...any comments? >> Me again!! (When the tour ends in a couple days, you won't be hearing from me as much as I will be spending all my time with Marlene & Melody......) Anyway....That dropoff was unavoidable as the multitrack tape RAN OUT. You can't mix a 2-track DAT because it is not recorded in multitrack format... I decided to subdivide 3MW, so you could access different parts of the jams without having to sit at your CD player scrolling through 25 minutes of noise to hear a particular part.... However, if I would have known that the idiots that mastered the CD in Europe would end up screwing it up, I may have thought twice about it.... I SHUTTER every time I think of people listening to the defective version..... PLEASE EXCHANGE THEM IF YOU HAVEN"T ALREADY!!! (buy the ones that have the serial # of MAXX and not MAX) Mike Portnoy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:57:32 PDT From: "Ernesto Lotitto" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3746 Message-ID: >> From: "Ernesto Lotitto" >> Subject: Hollow Years video > >> Why donīt we all in the jam (and I mean ALL OF US) e-mail to eMpTyV and request >> the video? It wonīt take more than 10 minutes to do it, and it would surely be of >> a lot of help. So donīt be lazy and start e-mailing right now. > >Wow, why didn't anyone think of this before.....oh wait..WE HAVE! >every since MTV dropped Hard rock and Heavy metal from the rotation >EVERYONE has been e-mailing their requests but they refuse to listen >to our pleas....basically , because their ain't no $$$ in it for them.... OK, you may be right. But some of my friends have actually seen the video, that means that eMpTyV is playing it and, as I said before: What can we loose? 10 minutes of our precious time?!!?! Cīmon!!! Iīm sure that DT will appreciate our effort. Take care Ernesto ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:27:22 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Dr. Mosh) To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: Digital Ruin and other mp3s Message-ID: I finally got around to putting up a couple of mp3's from Digital Ruin... so check them out!! I also put up a clip from Prototype's new CD, Cloned... featuring the monster drummer, Pat McGrath (Corrosion, Killing Kulture, Slayer). URL in the sig... go to the Ear Candy section, under USA audio clips. :) -The Doc -- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: email_address_removed #$%#$#$% _+_+_+_+ Unix, Internet, Intranet Engineering _+_+_+_+ [][][][] Dr. Mosh's Progressive Feast [][][][] #$@#$#@# http://progmetal.gmsnet.com @#$@##@$ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3750 **************************