YTSEJAM Digest 3705 Today's Topics: 1) PLans of DT in MExico... by Alan Estrada Adler 2) Guitar Grimoire by Alan Estrada Adler 3) Re: drunk by Matej Grginic 4) KTS is BACK !!! (fwd) by Alan Estrada Adler 5) Guitar Stuff by email_address_removed 6) RE: YTSEJAM digest 3704 by email_address_removed 7) Re: Innocence Cheesy? I think not..... by "Giannotti, Nick" 8) DT in Pordenone & Rudess/Morgenstein project by Matej Grginic 9) PWI by David Hatlee 10) "Innocence cheesy, the smell of cheese around you..." by Matthew Smith 11) Openers by Lobsterback 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3704 by "reuben" 13) Re: drunk by Carol Dellinger 14) Re: Innocence Cheesy? I think not..... by email_address_removed (Paul T. Fini) 15) Pist-On by YtseJim 16) The Ytse-Police by Jon Kretschmer ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:15:05 -0600 (CST) From: Alan Estrada Adler To: email_address_removed Subject: PLans of DT in MExico... Message-ID: Are there any plans for some concerts in MExico? Steve Vai already came and did 2. I think it went pretty well, the first show was sold out and the second one was almost...the bad thing is that he only went to Mexico city, which is 10 hours away from here, DT should come to Monterrey (north of mexico, 4 hours away from texas) On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, TheCowGod wrote: > > >From: Portnoy420 > >Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3691 > > > >HHMMMMM... > >What will the bringer of DT tour dates deliver in a few days??????? > >(hopefully...) --- Alan Estrada Email: email_address_removed.mx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:18:10 -0600 (CST) From: Alan Estrada Adler To: email_address_removed Subject: Guitar Grimoire Message-ID: I have the Guitar Gromoire for scales and I know there's another one about chords, does anybody has this? please let me know (email me privately) also I read that they were planning in releasing a third volume but that was a few years ago, since then I havent read any guitar grimoire adds on mags...anyway I dont buy guitar mags now... please let me know thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 22:18:52 +0200 From: Matej Grginic To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: drunk Message-ID: >>Excuse me for this post, but I am extremely intoxicated right now, and Dream Theater is SO FUCKING COOL when your drunk. Just thought I'd let everybody know. chris<< Try them sobber sometime ;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:21:11 -0600 (CST) From: Alan Estrada Adler To: email_address_removed Subject: KTS is BACK !!! (fwd) Message-ID: sorry for fowarding this but I though some of you could be interested. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 19:05:29 +0800 (SGT) ]From: KTS To: email_address_removed Subject: KTS is BACK !!! Dear friend, Yes it's true - the world number one Live CD Label is back, and you can visit our new site at: http://www.kissthestone.com where all our titles on your favorite artists are available by Mail Order to anywhere in the world. Fast service, and special opening prices. You can order secure, by using your credit card, and you can be assured of the best service and sound that you have come to expect from KTS. Next week most "out of stock " titles will be available again, and so will many many new realeses. KTS - we dont have to say we're the best: Our products and service speak for itself. Welcome back to the World of "Kiss The Stone ". We look forward to seeing you. Regards Professor Stone. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:27:23 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Guitar Stuff Message-ID: > From: Calvin 6S > This sparks the all eternal question that has plagued guitarists since the > inception of the "electric guitar": How do I get THAT tone? The answer is simple: You never, never do. Further, I don't know anyone who is satisfied with a single amp for a long period of time, no matter how good other people think the tone is. I know I'm gonna hear a great Bogner soon, and just toss my current rig out the window. > 1) The Guitar: > a) Woods This makes a big difference on the tonal characteristics of the guitar. A basswood body with a maple neck sounds completely different than a mahogany body and a rosewood fingerboard... the thing is, neither one sounds better... it depends on who is playing it, and through what. I'm just adding to what you said, with regards to this, since I know you probably agree. > Body - I like a 2 piece guitar. One piece of Mahogany with a > somewhat thick Rock Maple top (1/4" or so, however I am bad at estimating) > for the body. NO PAINT JOB. Just some finish for protection. No book > matching. Looks are irrelevant to tone. And no "quilted, birdseye, or flame" > maple. These are just "defects" in the maple that are visually appealing. I find that the wood means more to tone than the paint job or lack thereof. My favorite guitar sounds have always come from guitars that have been painted, though, so I'm inclined to stick with painted guitars. I still want that Becker guitar with no paint, and the big colored numbers on the frets... :) As far as body shape, I find that the basic strat style seems to work best with what I do... by strat, I mean double cutaway, and no archtop. > Neck - Tilt back headstock, maple with ebony fretboard. I like Maple fretboards just as much as ebony... each has its own tonal characteristic that can't really be duplicated on the other. This is one of those few reasons I think it's useful to have a couple guitars... I hate people who buy great guitars just to let them collect dust... it's a shame. I know a dude with a BEAUTIFUL swirl Universe (and as you know, some of them come out beautifully, and some look like a horse's ass) that he keeps in a locked case, and NEVER touches, and I know a dude with over 20 different 7 strings. It's obvious that there are people who would give anything to own one of these guitars, and yet, the instruments sit in basements, and collect dust. > b) Bridge - fixed Bah! :) I have my trem blocked off on the 7 string, but I think I prefer to have the trem active. As long as you don't rely on it for all your licks, I think it can be really tasteful. > c) Pickups - I like Tom Anderson and Seymour Duncan. I hated EMG's, > but I know others who love them. I don't have much experience with DiMarzios. > Oh yeah, I had an old Bill Lawrence pickup that just kicked ass. What happened with the Lawrence? I'm a serious Duncan fanatic, but I'm going to go with EMGs on my 7 string, because they have specific tone issues that are best dealt with through active circuitry, IMO. > d) Set up - although thick strings, high action, and a thick neck might > yield great tone, it does nothing for my performance. If I can't play > fluidly, then the tone is suffering. This is just my shortcoming, I like > .009's, ultra low action, and Ibanez Wizard necks. These are not "tone" > friendly, but I need these things to feel comfortable playing. I like to alternate my setup... I don't like to get too comfortable with any set up... that way I can usually play just about as well on any decently maintained guitar. I use .010's on the 7 string, and .009's on the 6 string... medium action. There's no reason to have really high action, unless you're trying to give yourself a workout. Low action makes my vibrato and bending weaker... I like to get under the strings a bit when I do a huge bend or a really wide vibrato (think Zakk Wylde). Whenever I have really low action, I end up falling back to legato too much, and that gets too easy. Also, since both of my electrics are Ibanez, low action means high fret-buzz when the weather changes as dramatically as it does in Chicago. I find that once you build a bit of finger strength, you can play as well on most string gauges. I can do my goofy tapping or legato on .010's as well as on .008's, now. It helps to practice your shred techniques on a heavy gauge(d) acoustic... makes it harder to cheat. > 2) Amp - I feel a good amp is more important than a good guitar. I am inclined to disagree. At work I have to play on store guitars and store amps, because they figure that if the teacher impresses the student, the student will want a guitar like the one the teacher has... and connect the dots. So I'm teaching guitar on an Alvarez strat copy with a humbucker in the bridge and a maple neck, through a Crate GX20 and sounding like myself. When I go home and play through my RG550 into my TriAxis, I sound very similar. > 3) The Player - just thought I would bring this one up for the hell of it. > Yes - if your technique sucks, your tone will probably suffer. If your > technique is flawless, your tone will definitely benefit. Then why don't people compliment Chris Impelliteri's tone, or George Bellas' tone? These guys are technical MONSTERS playing through great rigs... and they're missing something. Attention to detail... making a note sing like a voice, instead of like a piece of wire... there's more to it than I think you're acknowledging. > However, the reference to "its all in the hands" is pure shit. If it were ALL in > the hands, everyone would save money and buy a Fender Squire guitar and > a Crate amp. So the player shouldn't really be an opinion focal point. The > player is very important to tone, but a million "it is all in your hands" > doesn't really help anyone. I can't disagree with this any more than I do. Why is it that when I play through a replica of Petrucci's set up, my tone is nothing like his? Why is it that Steve Lukather couldn't sound like Eddie Van Halen when he played through Van Halen's rig? Why couldn't George Lynch get Warren DiMartini's tone when he stole DiMartini's amp out of his house? Why can't ANYONE sound just like Vai or Satch, or Eric Johnson? People don't play through Squire strats because they don't stay in tune, and don't add anything to your sound. They don't use Crate's low end solid state stuff, because they aren't loud enough, and don't add any thing to the tone. I assure you, though, that Steve Vai could make a Squire strat sound good through a Crate. I assure you that I can make a crappy Alvarez strat clone sound decent through a Crate amp. Bafu plays through a Crate amp and HE sounds great! I absolutely believe that the right touch on the strings, and the right finesse mean more than the guitar or the amp, or the venue, or the haircut, or the pick, or anything. A good guitar and a good amp compliment a musician, but the music comes from the musician, and if you can't make it sing, then no amount of cash is going to fix that. Becker and Friedman recorded some awesome stuff on Hurricane guitars, and the guitars they used, seem to me to be complete crap! Think about it. Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! "The Dude Abides." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:49:24 -0500 From: email_address_removed Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 3704 Message-ID: > Anyone else start singing DT when drunk? My friends and I start singing "Pull Me Under" when the feeling hits us. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:43:46 -0500 From: "Giannotti, Nick" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Re: Innocence Cheesy? I think not..... Message-ID: <4AA929543BC8D111A4E800600808ACE5023942@HAMSXHA2> >From: Joe DeAngelo > >> You have proven yourself unworthy by admitting you like "Innocence >>Faded." It seems like you have to consider that song to be "cheesy" (and >>have to love "Scarred") to be certified with good taste in music (or a >>"prog head"). I was disqualified long ago. >>J--- F--- >>email_address_removed > >I really, honestly can't understand why people find Innocence Faded >cheesy, it's one of my favorites. >I mean, I don't see it AT ALL. I'm not even sure what makes them think >it's cheesy. > >For those that do..... skip to the 4:00 mark (approximately) you'll find >one of JP's most awesome solos. I have to agree with this. I'd personally rather listen to IF than the Erotomania/Voices/Silent Man Suite. (Even though Silent Man is probably my favorite song on Awake). -Nick Nicholas Giannotti "Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 22:48:40 +0200 From: Matej Grginic To: email_address_removed Subject: DT in Pordenone & Rudess/Morgenstein project Message-ID: Hello Jammers!! I went to DT show in Pordenone/Italy last night and thought I should share a couple things. The first thing that I find extremely cool is that the opening band was Rudess & Morgenstein! I liked Vanden Plas on previous shows alot, but R&M just kick ass!! I couldn`t belive the huge sound from only drums and keyboards, they sounded very much like a classic 4 piece instrumental band! I even got to buy their CD there and I REALLY recommend it!! My favorite track is definately "Crossing Over", but it will take alot of listening to fully comprehend this trully amazing CD. DT were amazing just like on every show I saw so far, I don`t have words to describe them(amazing is an understatement:) The setlist positively surprised me a bit. The full versions of TTT, TOT, LTL and a some parts of Change Of Seasons blew me away!! They opened with the Crimson Sunrise which was really refreshing. I also fullfiled my mision and made the banner for Mr.Portnoy. Mike if you`r reading this, I`m very sorry for hitting you in the face with it, but the crowd was crazy and I have two left hands anyway :) (hope you like the banner though). Peace, Love and Blessed be!! (how corny:) Matej ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:51:19 -0500 From: David Hatlee To: email_address_removed Subject: PWI Message-ID: > has anyone marvelled at the ability to still be able to play guitar > while D.O.A. "Drunk Off [their] Ass" ??? (not that I would recommend > this, for Drinking and Picking just don't mix!) well I've never marveled at it, thats just how it was done :) I played bars and parties for years back in the late 80's and the customary payment for the band was free food and beer....needless to say we played a lot of parties under the influence, and there's nothing like playing 3 chord songs like 'born to be wild' with 3 times the distortion, extended solos, and twice the tempo that its supposed to be, toasted with a bunch of buronouts and bikers at a summer night bonfire party! ROFLMAO!!! those were the days.... Dave (buster) http://www.dhpc.com/wdadu/ http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:52:41 -0500 (EST) From: Matthew Smith To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: "Innocence cheesy, the smell of cheese around you..." Message-ID: On Fri, 3 Apr 1998 email_address_removed wrote: > > > You have proven yourself unworthy by admitting you like "Innocence > >Faded." It seems like you have to consider that song to be "cheesy" (and > >have to love "Scarred") to be certified with good taste in music (or a > >"prog head"). I was disqualified long ago. > >J--- F--- > >email_address_removed > > I really, honestly can't understand why people find Innocence Faded > cheesy, it's one of my favorites. > I mean, I don't see it AT ALL. I'm not even sure what makes them think > it's cheesy. It's that gawdawful chorus. PUKE... However, the ending instrumental section/guitar solo is freakin' great. > > The only thing that turns me off to IF as "semi-cheesy" is > the chorus, but IMHO, compared to You Not Me, it's better. Have to disagree here, but it's definitely better than Take Away My Pain. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Album Currently Playing: Stratovarius--Visions ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matt Smith "When Dream and Day Unite, Images and Words email_address_removed Awake A Change of Seasons Falling Into Infinity." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:58:20 -0500 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: Openers Message-ID: >somebody wrote how DT could never open for DMB because one is so much more >popular. I don't get it. Isn't that the whole idea of opening bands? >Exposure? If I were in charge, I would pair only marginally related bands >for a tour. That sort of thing (two bands not too much alike touring together) happens quite often, actually. Take Megadeth and Coal Chamber for instance..."Friggin' Awesome" and "Extreme Suckage", together at last! Or not. And Big Wreck rules. I've seen 'em 3 times, once without DT being there even. True, it was the DC101 $1.01 promotional show with two Gin Blossom clone openers, but, uh... Movie talk: "Titanic", while good and all, should give some of their Oscars to "The Full Monty". It's only fair -- TFM really deserves *something* awardy. DT content: John Petrucci's favorite member of the civet family (Viverridae) is the binturong (Arctictis bingturong). Fact. Brian "Ectotympanic Bullae" Henderson =========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:02:43 -0800 From: "reuben" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3704 Message-ID: : somebody wrote how DT could never open for DMB because one is so much more : popular. I don't get it. Isn't that the whole idea of opening bands? : Exposure? If I remember correctly, that person was writing about DMB opening for DT, not the other way around. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:19:50 -0800 From: Carol Dellinger To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: drunk Message-ID: Chris slurred and mumbled.... "Excuse me for this post, but I am extremely intoxicated right now, and Dream Theater is SO FUCKING COOL when your drunk. Just thought I'd let everybody know. chris" ROTFLMAOTMHHTK!!!!!!!!!!! here's my humble contribution......altho I can handle my Tequila just fine (just ask the Cali Crew) Get me ripped on Jaeger and it's another story.....for some reason I get this inexplicble urge to sing: Take away my pain......I'm not drinking anymore! Just stay with me tonight...before I stumble and hit the floor! oh yeah and another thing...sorry to see ya go George, but then again I am glad to see all types of people interested in Dream Theater's music! toodles.....back to the Shadows I go! Coldfire email_address_removed Gallery of Shadows the Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows "Fly where your dreams go....." Cyrstalline Dreams - Shadow Gallery ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:50:27 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Paul T. Fini) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Innocence Cheesy? I think not..... Message-ID: >> You have proven yourself unworthy by admitting you like "Innocence >>Faded." It seems like you have to consider that song to be "cheesy" (and >>have to love "Scarred") to be certified with good taste in music (or a >>"prog head"). I was disqualified long ago. >>J--- F--- >>email_address_removed > >I really, honestly can't understand why people find Innocence Faded >cheesy, it's one of my favorites. >I mean, I don't see it AT ALL. I'm not even sure what makes them think >it's cheesy. > >For those that do..... skip to the 4:00 mark (approximately) you'll find >one of JP's most awesome solos. > >- Joe DeAngelo I agree that the instrumental part of the song kicks major booty, but I can see why people have an overall objection to the song: James' vocals are a bit on the cheesy side. I wouldn't place the blame directly on him; the way the vocals were written has a lot to do with it. It's just that it has a fair amount of 80's cheese injected into it, that's all. In my opinion, it's not enough to kill the song, but those not used to James' style (or DT's in general) would balk. Paul -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. Paul T. Fini U.C. Santa Barbara email_address_removed Materials Dept. voice (805)893-8869, fax (805)893-8971 MOCVD group -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. -.-- -.-- --.. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 17:14:34 -0500 From: YtseJim To: email_address_removed Subject: Pist-On Message-ID: > I saw queensryche last summer and do you know who > opened? Piston! This is a punk band! Punk?!? i don't really think so.... I saw them open for QR also last summer.. To me they are more Gothic/Heavy Metal, very influenced by Type O and the band pronounces it Pist-On (Pissed - on) the radio stations are the ones who changed it to Piston For anyone that wants to check them out, I'll put their song up tonight on my ftp server. (also, a bunch of DT stuff will be goin up) ftp://ytsejam.hartford.edu/ Take Care ~YtseJim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:04:16 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer To: email_address_removed Subject: The Ytse-Police Message-ID: >Watch out guys, it's the ytse-police. So, we can spend eternity >discussing whether or not the Yes singer sucks and discussing what kind of >picks "make you play better", but Metallica is too off topic? Blow me. Uh, no thanks? Im not saying its off topic, Im saying I am tired of reading "Metallica should go back to MoP and AJFA...They are a bunch of posers now." "No they arent, I like them." We have been reading the same shit ever since Load came out, and everyone who hasnt commented on it seems to think that their view will be somehow different than anyone else's. Same post, different name. Either you like them now, you dont, or you dont care. Im just getting tired of reading about it. But I am only one person, so go ahead and post how much Lars sucks, or how much you love Hammet's consistency in his solos over at least a 10 year time span. I challange you to add something new into the Metallica vs. Alternica debate, and welcome it, but for the love of god do not say something that has been said 400 times before.. Jon ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3705 **************************