YTSEJAM Digest 3689 Today's Topics: 1) re: Yngwie recommendations by Brian Hansen 2) DMB, Cynic, and Jazz by "Adam Cook" 3) Jazz/JPM by email_address_removed 4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3688 by email_address_removed (Daniel C Russell) 5) jazz by "Aaron High" 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3688 by "Richard A. Rivera" 7) Jaxx 1/3 by Adam 8) Assorted Flavours by Lobsterback 9) cynic and jazz by tim spear 10) Stratovarius 'Visions Of Europe' review by graham boyle 11) DT icons by rjurado 12) DT AVIs by "Woolcock" 13) "Heavy Metal" by "David M. Campbell" 14) Dream Theater by Javier Barber Domingo 15) Leaving on a jet plane... by "David Ware" 16) Re: jazz by Carlos Alfaro ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:22:23 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Hansen To: email_address_removed Subject: re: Yngwie recommendations Message-ID: Chris Daley wrote: >I was in my local Tower records and I saw a few of >these Yngwie albums that >I hear about so much on this list. I was >wondering what y'alls' opinions were as to what the >"best" Yngwie album >there is out there... I've never heard of any of his >music...so any >information is appreciated. Thanks! >Chris. Let's see... My first "Yngwie" album was "Steeler". Don't get it though. He was just brought in at the last minute to play lead. (Ron Keel singing; gag!) I highly recommend "Alcatrazz / No Parole From Rock n' Roll." Graham Bonnet's singing takes some getting used to, but it is really good once you're used to it. Yngwie wrote 90% of the music on this one. Of course the classic Yngwie album is his first solo "Yngwie J. Malmsteen's Rising Force", with the guitar coming out of the fire on the cover. It really was a break-through in guitar playing. Check out the date of release on these discs. Way before any of the Yngwie-clones started to appear. (OK, Yngwie influenced players...) my $.02, BH _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:55:20 -0500 From: "Adam Cook" To: Subject: DMB, Cynic, and Jazz Message-ID: Word up, >These guys [Cynic] are NOT JAZZ. But they are clearly jazz > influenced. Agreed. > > Jazz is a feeling. Rock is easy to define....got that backbeat, lots of > > I don't know about that. There are certain tonal and technical > characteristics that define jazz. I don't think you can call a group > "Jazz" if they only satisfy some of the criteria. That's why I > wouldn't call Cynic jazz. These days jazz is hard enough to define without including pop record. A lot of these "smooth" jazz stuff is now being synonymous with ocntemporary jazz. This makes things very difficult. I agree that a certain part of jazz is the feeling, the spontanaiety, and smooth jazz has no more of this feeling than DMB. However, certain artists in jazz (Coltrane, Parker, Dizzy, etc.) made jazz THE artform that took music to its harmonic extent. Jazz came to encompass so many different styles (Dixieland, swing, bop, latin, big band, fusion, etc) it makes it very difficult to categorize. Even Ritchie Blackmore once said, "I recommend to all guitar players to learn and transcribe saxophone solos because the average sax player can play much better than the average guitar player." > > and listen to the sax player's > > soloing....carrying on Coltrane's torch. Pure dissonance. Hardly the > > stuff of Kenny G. Please learn your background information before you make comparisons. Coltrane is one of the hardest working and most talented musicians to ever LIVE. Read his biography some time. I've never even heard the DMB sax player but I can ASSURE you he is nowhere near the virtuosity and musicianship that is John Coltrane. Pick up the cd Giant Steps sometime and mabye you begin to get an understanding of how much work goes into making that kind of music. > Cobain is not worth the spittle in > Coltrane's sax. Hahaha, wonderfully put. > Hey, what's up, 'jamrz?? Three questions: > > 1. Jazz: Could someone recommend a good couple > of artists/albums to start off with, having DT as an influence? Well it depends. I think somebody coming from your background would probably want to consider jumping into the fusion realm (jazz/rock) before diving into jazz. The best soloing in jazz is generally found in the hard bop period of the 50's and 60's. Prior to that it was mostly bigband which was arrangements and you probbaly won't get into right away at least. I'd recommend some guitar players maybe because it's easiest to relate to when coming from a rock background. Check out Mike Stern's latest release "Give and Take" for some great stuff. Pat Martino recently did a record with Jeff Beck and Joe Satriani siting in on a couple tracks. Other names you should familiarize yourself with are John Mclaughlin and the Mahavishnu Orchestra (any of these cds are great), John Scofield, Wes Montgomery and Pat Metheny. If you're ready to jump right into the horns there are a few essentials. Get Miles Davis' "Kind of Blue" which has one of the most impressive lineups ever, including Miles and John Coltrane on tenor sax. The cool thing about jazz is all the great musicians played on each others albums! Adam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:13:18 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Jazz/JPM Message-ID: > From: Brian Larkin > Subject: Jazz / JPM100 / DT Paper > 1. Jazz: I haven't really Taken the Time to explore much jazz yet, but I > like some of the things I've heard. Could someone recommend a good > couple of artists/albums to start off with, having DT as an influence? An > example of the *type* of stuff I'd be into would be JP's "Example 13" > sample from Rock Discipline . . :) I'm pretty open-minded - I just want to > start off with something instrumental (not crazy about jazzy vox) and > atmospheric. What are some *essentials*, especially for a guitarist?? Well, I'm not sure what you're hoping for, but there isn't a whole lot of Jazz that sounds anything like exercise 13 on Rock Discipline... :) Seriously, though... you need to look to horn players as much as guitarists. Any of the Original Jazz Classics 5 star recordings are a great place to start, as are any of the Blue Note remasters. I'd recommend Giant Steps and Blue Train from Coltrane (sax mainly) to start you on the psycho stuff, and Workin', Relaxin', and Kinda Blue from Miles Davis for the more laid back stuff. Of course there are Hundreds and HUNDREDS of cds you're gonna need eventually if you really want to get into jazz. For guitar recordings, check out Boss Guitar and Incredible Jazz Guitar by Wes Montgomery for a look at a real swinging player... this is real jazz guitar. Check out Benson's Cookbook, and Martino's East and El Hombre for a more "on top of the beat" type of playing. If you can't handle it, and need shred, you might want to try John McLaughlin's The Promise (which is only jazz in a very loose sense... McLaughlin can't swing to save his life, though his technique is flawless, and he can certainly write). Bottom line, though, you need some horn players. You have to start understanding where their phrasing is coming from (try transcribing some Miles lines, and try to emulate the feel). I guarantee you, your ability to shred like Paul Gilbert will do you no good at all in Jazz. You need to be able to stay away from scalar playing, and you have to be able to swing 8th notes... it's not as easy as you or your drum machine want to believe. I'm going through this now, and MAN do I suck at Jazz! > 2. My next guitar: I'm considering forking over the big $$ for a JPM. > Since I've heard that this guitar is *based* on the RG series, I'd like to > know basically what would make the JPM worth spending the extra $500+ for. > I like the pick-up configuration idea, and I know the neck is supposed to > not be as thick, and the paint-job's cool . . . but if I bought an RG570, > and possibly added other pick-ups (Air Zone, Evolution) to it in the > future, would that be more worth it? The JPM is not worth the price tag. You're better off with any comparable lesser known company that isn't Ibanez. Jacksons, Ibanez, Fender, Washburn, most of the axes these companies are putting out are way lower quality than they should be. If you ARE gonna go with Ibanez, get a hardshell case, and keep it in the case when you're not playing, if you want to try to avoid fretting out all the time. I'm a firm believer that the smaller, less known companies, and the guitar shop customs are infinitely better than the trash coming out these days... An older used Ibanez is about 100 X better than a new one (and still ain't great). Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! "The Dude Abides." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:35:17 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Daniel C Russell) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3688 Message-ID: Has FII gone gold or Plat???? Just curious...email me back in private if you know.....later Dan _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:30:34 -0600 From: "Aaron High" To: "Multiple recipients of list" Subject: jazz Message-ID: 1. Jazz: I haven't really Taken the Time to explore much jazz yet, but I like some of the things I've heard. Could someone recommend a good couple of artists/albums to start off with, having DT as an influence? An example of the *type* of stuff I'd be into would be JP's "Example 13" sample from Rock Discipline . . :) I'm pretty open-minded - I just want to start off with something instrumental (not crazy about jazzy vox) and atmospheric. What are some *essentials*, especially for a guitarist?? George Benson. Period. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:37:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3688 Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 email_address_removed wrote: > Well, I know that when I was working at Tower (and SoundScan was in > place at the time), Billboard went on the number of albums that were > sold by the record company, NOT by the number of albums that were sold > by the store. This is why albums can go Gold, or even Platinum, before > they see the light of day. > Okay, I'm going to give this one more try: SoundScan is like that scanner at the grocery store. The actual purchase AT RETAIL is noted and sent to some big data base, thus it is able to measure what the consumers actually buy, not what the store has ordered. Billboard uses SoundScan to compile it's charts, so...... Richie P.S. Actually, I think I just figured out where the confusion lies. WHEN did you work for Tower? Because SoundScan existed before Billboard adopted it ('91 or '92, can't remember). Never mind. I give up...... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 01:15:22 -0500 From: Adam To: email_address_removed Subject: Jaxx 1/3 Message-ID: Hey folks... I have a friend desparately looking for the Jaxx 1/3/98 DT show on any media (vid, CD, DAT, MD, cass). He and I both have trade fodder if anyone has this show, or a 2:1 would be acceptable as well. Please let me know ASAP. If there's any new traders that would like to start their collection of DT boots, I've got some relatively rare shows that I'd be happy to do a 2 for 1 trade on. (ie, instead of trading you send two blank cassettes for every one you want back plus return postage - standard trading stuff) Things like the Foundations Forum show w/ Jordan Rudess, the European show with the live debut (AFAIK) of Trial of Tears (4/16/97) and some other cool stuff. The reason I'm saying this is that I've made so many trades for the Rudess show I'm out of money for tapes after I complete these trades. Yes, college after Spring Break is not for the cash impaired. Yikes... :) My list URL is in the .sig, or email me for a text version. Take care all, and thanks in advance for any info on that Jaxx show... __________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpineone(-at-)mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone/tapelist.html ^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 03:01:59 -0500 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: Assorted Flavours Message-ID: >Charlie McMahon is a good didgeridoo player...he's a white >Australian with a hook for a hand.... I think I met him once. He was hanging onto my bumper that night the trucker was blinking his highbeams in my rearview mirror... But that's a subject best left to the campfire. >Black Sabbath/Dream Theater/Coal Chamber/Savatage/Neurosis... (It's times like this that make me wish I lived in Belgium...) Why is it Coal Chamber gets billing ahead of Savatage? That ain't fair. Coal Chamber...more like Vomit Bandthatsucksalot. Cripes, they aren't fit to spit-shine 'Tage's boots! And that's a fact, by the way, and not just my opinion... >In fact the Bozzio, Levins, >Stephens disc is the only magna carta cd I have ever seen at Best Buy. Back in the day, they had all them 'tribute discs' too. I believe all those are finally sold out. And, seeing as how BB doesn't restock when it does sell out, don't expect to find 'em anymore. For a store with thousands upon thousands of discs, you'd think they'd have *one* Gentle Giant album!! (just an example -- Marillion would also fit, as would many other pretty big-name bands) >As for all this crap about Titanic, you can't give an opinion of a movie >unless you have gone and actually SEEN it. Three words: man hitting propellor. 'Nuff said. >Which I've been told that "The Nice" sucked big time (not the >keyboards, though). Bah. Who told you that? I haven't heard a terrible amount from them, but what I have listened to was quality material. Especially "America", during the performances for which, and I'm sure all you canucks'll love this, an American flag was regularly burned. Remember the Alamo. Brian "Medium Worst" Henderson =========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 09:41:30 +0100 From: tim spear To: Subject: cynic and jazz Message-ID: >> (Joe Pass, Jaco Pastorius, Art Blakey), I can't find the jazzier >> influences of Cynic. > >Neither does Malone. :-) > >Okay, there are some vaguely jazzy moments here and there, mostly in >"Veil of Maya" and "Textures", but overall... It isn't jazzy. hmmm....depends what you would define as a "jazzy" sound. It's well reported that the band was heavily influenced by the big fusion bands, weather report etc, and on the UK "focus" tour, the band played "meeting of the spirits"(?) by mahavishnu orchestra. When I spoke to Sean Reinert over a year ago, he described how he made a conscious effort throughout the writing and performance of the music to make it groove as much as possible within an essentially death metal sound, which included the use of traditional jazz drum rhythms.And the album clearly reflects this. So for me it's more "metal/fusion fusion" :-) (metal crossed with jazz/rock fusion). but who gives a shit. It rocks. all of you who are saying "so who is this bloody band then" might want to pop over to the site below (in my sig) for more info.(shameless plug, I know).... Tim Spear Veilmaya - http://www.veilmaya.dircon.co.uk/ Ahamkara - The official Cynic Website - http://www.veilmaya.dircon.co.uk/cynic/ ICQ : http://wwp.mirabilis.com/6352759 EmailExpress: email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:44:49 +1000 From: graham boyle To: "email_address_removed" Subject: Stratovarius 'Visions Of Europe' review Message-ID: Today I got the new Stratovarius double live album (thanks Mape) 'Visions Of Europe' and here is my review: The double CD comes in a slime line jewel case, the outside cover is nothing flash, inside there are some cool shots of the band and tour dates and some info on the 'Visions Tour'. The music, nothing could prepare me for the awesome live power that these discs contain :) All the songs are much more powerful than the studio albums would suggest and are also played at a much faster tempo than their studio counterparts. The sound is powerful, crisp and clear, every instrument is well mixed. The songs, too many too mention, the highlights for me are 'Father Time' played at a breakneck speed that is almost twice as fast as the version on 'Episode' and a solo trade off with Timo Tolkki and Jens. Suffice to say that this one of the best live albums I have heard and fans of Stratovarius should get this album now ! graham ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Jan 1980 19:02:33 +0800 From: rjurado To: email_address_removed Subject: DT icons Message-ID: Has anyone downloaded the DT icons from whatever site that was? Anyway, I managed to delete that jam and the URL. Could someone please send the URL to me? BTW, I was wondering. Is there a Majesty symbol that I could use as a cursor. I think that would be fun to have, especially if it rotated while the computer was executing some job. Anyway...thanks in advance. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:29:03 +0930 From: "Woolcock" To: "YtseJam Mailing List" Subject: DT AVIs Message-ID: Hi Jammers, Does anyone know where I can get some AVIs or MPGs of DT film clips? I must have requested PMU on Channel [V] at least 3 times, and it still hasn't been shown yet. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Shane Woolcock - email_address_removed.au WWW - http://rampage.ml.org/sector1/~samah/ "In my den of inequity, viscousness and subtlety..." - DT ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:34:23 -0500 (EST) From: "David M. Campbell" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: "Heavy Metal" Message-ID: Actually, the word "heavy metal" was first used by a writer for the new York Times in the mid/late 1960's. He was writing a review of Jimi Hendrix's first album, and described his sound as "heavy metal being dropped from the sky." I agree with you that Sabbath was probably the first real metal band, although Led Zeppelin was the first group to make the jump from electric blues to electric rock. Dave Campbell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:45:00 +0000 From: Javier Barber Domingo To: email_address_removed Subject: Dream Theater Message-ID: Hi, this is my first E-Mail on this list. I'm from Canari Island, in Spain. I play drums, and i have a very big fan of Mike Prtnoy and Dream Theater. I want to speak with the people who like very much DT, like me. I'm Waiting Answers. (Sorry, but but englis isn't very good) Bye bye :))))))))))))))))))))) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 15:53:16 -0800 From: "David Ware" To: Subject: Leaving on a jet plane... Message-ID: Hi, I haven't had much input to the Jam for ages - mainly because my Email is screwy and I haven't been receiving it (in fact, I'm not convinced that anyone will even receive this message). I am going to unsubscribe now, as I am moving (with my job) from the UK to Birmingham, Alabama at the start of May! As soon as I get Email sorted out I will rejoin the Jam and get involved again. It's been great - talk very soon... Cheers, Dave (a UK Jammer - soon in Alabama). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:43:58 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: jazz Message-ID: Aaron High wrote: > 1. Jazz: I haven't really Taken the Time to explore much jazz yet, but I > like some of the things I've heard. Could someone recommend a good couple > of artists/albums to start off with, having DT as an influence? An example > of the *type* of stuff I'd be into would be JP's "Example 13" sample from > Rock Discipline . . :) I'm pretty open-minded - I just want to start off > with something instrumental (not crazy about jazzy vox) and atmospheric. > What are some *essentials*, especially for a guitarist?? > > George Benson. Period. Also you might want to check out Chick Corea's Electric Band album "inside out" which features excellent piano, guitar, bass, drum and sax work..hell.. these guys are the DT of jazz.. ( or should i say.. DT is the CCEB of rock) also for guitar oriented stuff... Al Di Meola is the way to go... specially "kiss my axe" album -- In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:email_address_removed mailto:email_address_removed Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229 ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3689 **************************