YTSEJAM Digest 3657 Today's Topics: 1) The EXTREMEly new Gary Cherone...er Van Halen CD by "Braun, Randall (CAP, ITS, US)" 2) Re: Recommendations for obscure stuff..if anybody cares by email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) 3) CD-R Software by Tim Lodge 4) quick stupid CDR question by Al Balkiewicz 5) this day in rock history by Thrak75 6) Re: this day in rock history by The iban 7) Tori Amos... by Luke 8) long songs by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" 9) Waldrock, miscellanea by "Alex O'Connell" 10) Where Are You Now??? by Walter Stort Junior 11) Re: DT CD next year!! & more on CDR by Michael Burstin 12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3655 by Kevin Carmouche 13) Re: CD burners by Kevin Carmouche 14) Re: DT CD next year!! (Trimming Met II) by "Christopher Files" 15) GNFNR by Dill Dough 16) Catching Up by "Richard A. Rivera" 17) Re: DT CD next year!! (Trimming Met II) by "KorgX3" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:00:01 -0500 From: "Braun, Randall (CAP, ITS, US)" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: The EXTREMEly new Gary Cherone...er Van Halen CD Message-ID: Just picked up Van Halen 3. I was quite pleased that Gary hasn't lost his roots. As always, his lyrics are somewhat circumspect, with irony and double entendre, but they still do carry some meat. The lyrics are somewhat weaker, as a whole, I guess to cater to the larger, somewhat less intelligent, less reflective VH audience (not that everyone who likes VH is necessarily somewhat less intelligent, less reflective!). Gary probably had a lot more freedom in writing lyrics with Extreme. None of that ol' party-music, at least not on the CD. But what really caught my eye, and what many, probably most, will miss in the credits is the Special Thanks to R. C. Sproul. If you don't know who he is, find out... On another note: has anyone else noticed that on KX's Ear Candy there is a song called "Lies in the Sand", while KX's Doug Pinnick is the guest vocalist on DT's "Lines in the Sand"? -Randall email: email_address_removed **"Carry me to the shoreline, bury me in the sand, walk me across the waters, and maybe you'll understand ..." from 'Hollow Years' by Dream Theater** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:34:05 -0700 From: email_address_removed (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Recommendations for obscure stuff..if anybody cares Message-ID: "Neal Brown" wrote; >Doctor Nerve-- >This is some psycho avant garde jazz/rock stuff that is absolutely out >there by itself. The only comparison I can even think of is mid-70s >Miles Davis, sans the African feel, plus some a little bit of Robert >Fripp thrown in on guitar. Add to this some computer music and you're >getting the idea that this shit is beyond weird. Some of it manages to >be catchy...most of it doesn't. I really like it, but I can only take a >little bit of it at a time right now. It's earsplitting. I have mentioned Doctor Nerve on this list a while ago. But it seemed like noone in this list liked this kind of music. I am glad you mentioned them again. I do not have the album that you have. I have "Skin" and "Every Screaming Ear". IMHO, Skin is easier to get into at the first listen. If you are in NYC, you would be able to see Doctor Nerve live sometimes. Try to get "Beta 14k" or something like that. I heard some sound clips from their page and it was good. Most of the bands from Cuneiform records are worth listening. The bands I have heard from this record company are Univers Zero (very dark, my favourite band), Present (a bit dark but not as much as Univers Zero), Soft Machine, Miriodor, Henry Kaiser (very good experimental guitar), Forrest Fang (from SFF), 5 UU's and Doctor Nerve. Watch out for Present, they will be playing in the States in May. I have never heard anything by Philharmonie and Djam Karet before. I'm looking forword to get some cd's soon. >Other obscure bands I really dig but didn't feel >like reviewing =) : Boud Deun, Leger de Main, Discipline, Arti E >Mestieri (drummers: get something by this band!--the drummer is a >nutcase), and Ozone Quartet. Sorry for the long post, but I didn't have >anything better to do =) You do not have to say sorry. It's good to mention to those obscured prog bands once in a while. I have heard Discipline and Ozone Quartet (Cloud Nine) from the Progday'95 cd. I am looking for the new album of Discipline but it seems like I will have to order it from the band itself. Do you know Ground Zero and Zoviet France? Have a good listen, AE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:48:21 -0500 From: Tim Lodge To: email_address_removed Subject: CD-R Software Message-ID: Now that we are talking about CD-R's and CD-R software, I'd like to ask a question to all knowing jammers here... Is there a software package that lets you record a full CD from a single .WAV file where you can write some sort of cue sheet telling it where, for example, each of the 15 tracks starts and ends? I have used the DAO software to do something like this...But it seems to only let me specify the beginning of the individual tracks and not the end. Hence, if I want to end track #10 at 43:00.00 and begin track eleven 5 seconds after that at 43:05.00 (say if I had 5 seconds of garbage or something). Someone told me that the Adaptec CD Creator Deluxe package could do this, but I haven't yet figured it out. Please reply via email so as to not further clutter the jam. Thanks! -Tim- email_address_removed OBLIGATORY DT CONTENT: I bought the LTE CD the other day, and it ROCKS!!! I agree with the guy who took exception to the sound of some of Jordan's keyboard sounds..mabey i'm just too used to kevin moore. :( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:06:14 -0500 (EST) From: Al Balkiewicz To: TheListFromTheDepthsOfHell Subject: quick stupid CDR question Message-ID: OK, here's a stupid question: With regular CDR software (EasyCD, etc.) is it possible to copy an audio CD track-by-track from various source CDs? -Al -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Her mouth is a soft explosion of roses A burst of raw animal definition For a few moments I was mortal......... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email_address_removed OR email_address_removed OR email_address_removed HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:08:47 EST From: Thrak75 To: email_address_removed Subject: this day in rock history Message-ID: on this day..... randy rhoads dies in an airplane crash on this date. remember randy rhoads. i decided that i had to learn how to play guitar after i heard "crazy train" for the first time. i imagine other people did too. ytsegoon ************************************************************************ david y. kobayashi new york law school email_address_removed "better to save the mystery than surrender to the secret." -j. petrucci ************************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:34:36 EST From: The iban To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: this day in rock history Message-ID: R.I.P. Randy i decided i had to play guitar after hearing Master of Puppets by Metallica, then i only really cared to play power chords and get long hair and chicks, thats when i first got into metal, about a year later i started listening to ozzie, and older ozzie, then i really got into Randy's playing, i must say he was a major influence on my guitar playing, and he's the one who made me want to play lead guitar, and made me want to practice like a madman. but my life as a whole goes to steve vai for making me want to be real with music, and listening to his passion and warfare really made me appreciate music for what it is, and ispired my music to come from the heart, and over all made me quit heavy drugs and heavy drinking that i was into at the time. Rocky http://soft.simplenet.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:36:01 +1000 From: Luke To: ytsejam Subject: Tori Amos... Message-ID: With all the talk about TA here on the Jam, I decided to check out LE to satisfy my curiosity. Until now, my only experiences with TA was that song ages ago called "Cornflake Girl", and that terrible techno-ish "Professional Widow", so I assumed that LE must be something quite different if it's so highly regarded on the JAM. So anyway, I go down and fork out the dosh at my local record store, get home and whack it in the CD player ... .. no disapointments here folks. I was genuinely shotshicked at how good this album was, especially the songs Precious Things and Winter (the DT cover just doesn't do this justice). This chick just oozes talent, no doubt about it. Anyone who likes any Loreena McKennitt's work, I recommend to check out LE, and likewise, anyone who likes TA's stuff should check out The Book Of Secrets or The Mask & Mirror by LM. Czech ya, Luke. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:35:23 -0600 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" To: Subject: long songs Message-ID: <01bd53a0$739a3280$b35299d1@homewks> On the subject of shortening songs......are you nuts! Long songs are what separates DT from most of the other goups out there. A Change of Seasons is one of my favorite CD's mainly due to half of the CD is only one song. I would love to see DT put out a 70 minute CD that was only one song. How many "super groups" out there today making millions of dollars have the talent to write a 15 minute song and carry it off? Not many. Mike email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:55:06 -0500 From: "Alex O'Connell" To: email_address_removed Subject: Waldrock, miscellanea Message-ID: >For anyone who hasn't heard their new >single...the lead singer sounds like a mix between Savatage's two lead >singers...the guitar work is killer...and the track just rocks! Whoa, rock OUT!! That would make an ultra-sweet blend. ------------------------- >Despite the public feedback, there will be more of this shit in some of the >next jams. :) >_Mape_ Well, how's this for some positive public feedback...those were some kick ass reviews. Keep them coming. I for one, even if I know nothing about the bands of which you speak, enjoy them immensely. Great balance. Now, if I had cash for CDs.... ----------------------- Subject: DT at Waldrock festival > I have just been informed (literally seconds ago) that > Dummu Borgir and Savatage have been added to the bill. And I am stranded in the States. Grr!!! Alex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:07:51 -0300 From: Walter Stort Junior To: email_address_removed Subject: Where Are You Now??? Message-ID: Hi all!!! I wanna know if anyone can send me the lyrics of Where Are You Know, cuz I saw the new version of the songbook and there was a blank space under the title where are you now. If someone can help me please. Regards... Bruno Stort "So where you are, beyond the crowd? What do you hear, to talk so loud???" - John Petrucci on Where Are You Now? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:57:16 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT CD next year!! & more on CDR Message-ID: > From: "KorgX3" > Subject: Re: DT CD next year!! > > You know, I hate to be the bubble burster and all, but I pray that > they either trim this sucker alot, make the whole album a Met II > concept, or scrap it for an EP. For one, I like long songs, but the > average person (and I think DT wants average people to like them, > too) detests them. I have friends who won't even try listening to > them when I mention 9 minute songs. People on average think in time > frames. Funny, I sorta measure the time it takes me to get to work in the number of songs that I get through on the way... so a DT CD makes the ride nice and short... :) Hey, less than 2 ACOS makes the drive seem quick... (I think that we need to make a new standard time reference as one ACOS :) > ------------------------------ > > From: Michael and Melissa Bahr > Subject: CDRs 4x and stuff > > I'll be adding a link to my page shortly so people can find out more > about these. You can burn 4x CDRs reliably even on a P-100 with IDE > hard drives and an ISA SCSI card... I've done it for years. It's > just a matter of making sure you turn off screen savers, virus > protection, and so forth, so that your system runs as unencumbered > as possible. Think I would sorta disagree here... on my 2x burner, I use the _cheap_ Adaptec SCSI card that came with the burner, under NT, and have no problems w/ buffer underruns or anything (according to the program, never get the buffer under 95% full) and this is with virus, etc enabled. I do keep the screen saver off. One definate recommendation is to turn off power saving (especially HD spin down). I think the most important issue for burning a CD is amount of RAM in the system, never had problems w/ my system, a P120, w/ 48 MB RAM, and now never have had the buffer under 100% now that I have 96MB. -- +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater | | will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity | | --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! | +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ Michael Burstin: email_address_removed Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:31:47 -0600 From: Kevin Carmouche To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3655 Message-ID: As for the Metropolis Part II, I don't think DT will ever be a radio oriented group. I mean, they've had songs on the radio and all, but they're not your typical group. I don't think that shortening Metropolis would be a good thing at all, considering they need to KEEP the fans they have right now...:) I mean, i'd love anything they'd play, but we all love the long songs, and all the instrumentals; make it shorter, and you get nothing but more LaBrie, which isn't exactly what I want(He's not bad, but he does get irratating after awhile, just give me more portnoy, petrucci, myung, and sherinian!!!) Also, I don't really know much about this new guy for QR, can somebody fill me in on him, past groups he's played with, and all??? Is he an improvement over DeGarmo?? And will he be pushed back to rhythm while Wilton becomes lead(yes!!!)??? Also, I hope Wilton and Tate write alot of the stuff now, it'll be VERY interesting to see what they come up with, sorry for my ignorance, but at least i'm trying to do something about it...:) -- Geaux Tigers!!!! http://www.angelfire.com/la/qryche/index.html "I Know If I Try, I'll Get Where I'm Going/ Keeping My Eyes On the Sky" -"Some People Fly" by Queensryche ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:39:36 -0600 From: Kevin Carmouche To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: CD burners Message-ID: Well, Let me disagree with you there, I do wonderful with my HP drive, I have a 7020 internal, and it's a beauty, the ones that are literal shit are:Memorex, Hi-Val, and Ricoh. Philips drives also seem like they burn out after awhile, my dad is on his third Philips drive, but when they work, they work almost flawlessly. As for readers, I agree, Plextor is best, with Teac not too far behind. I've got a question though, email me privately if you want, since this isn't really music related, but with a Plextor CD-ROM, and a Philips CD-RW, would I be able to do exact copes of PSX CD's, error bit and all???? -- Geaux Tigers!!!! http://www.angelfire.com/la/qryche/index.html "I Know If I Try, I'll Get Where I'm Going/ Keeping My Eyes On the Sky" -"Some People Fly" by Queensryche ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:01:17 -0500 From: "Christopher Files" To: Subject: Re: DT CD next year!! (Trimming Met II) Message-ID: <01bd53c5$98d069a0$edfbaccf@default> >And that's why DT needs to trim Metropolis II. >--KorgX3 Trim Met II??? Okay. Here's you: / and here's wrong: \ ...X, just like that. (Perhaps it's more effective when I use my fingers instead of slash lines :-). IMO. In other words, who cares what the average folks want. -Topher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:05:29 -0800 (PST) From: Dill Dough To: email_address_removed Subject: GNFNR Message-ID: A friend forwarded this to me. I don't like G N' R but I'm sure there's a few fans left around somewhere. Scott >Subject: GNFNR > >I heard on Krock today that Gnr may be doing some club shows and playing >the state theatre to preview new material for Axl's solo project. I >thought they weren't gonna have any new stuff until 1999? I'll believe it >when I see it. ************************************************************ "MOM! Kitty's being a dildo again!" "Well, that's one Kitty Kitty that's sleeping with Mommy tonight." South Park ************************************************************ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 03:08:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: Dream Theater Subject: Catching Up Message-ID: Just got back from a trip to Boston and I thought I'd share my insight (or lack thereof) regarding some topics that have arisen in my absence: LTE- Finally found it at the Tower in Boston (now THAT'S a record store). Snagged the only copy there. For future reference, it wasn't under "L" in the "Rock" section. It's in the "Metal" section and it has it's own divider. I've only listened to it twice on the car ride home, but I have to say that it is MUCH better than I thought it would be. A lot of times you get amazing musicians together and everyone is stepping on each other's toes. Not so here. There is a real "band" chemistry here and the songs benefit from it. Everyone seems to know instinctively when to shine and when to support, which is rare. In all honesty, however, the 20 minute jam at the end did little for me. Yes, it's amazing that it was a total jam. But it didn't strike me as much as the other stuff. But the album as a whole is amazing. VH III- For me this was one of the most anticipated releases of the year (next to Bret Michaels' and Jani Lane's solo albums, but I've been waiting for those forever). Having been a HUGE fan of Extreme and a huge fan of Hagar-era VH, I was curious to see how the two would blend together. And I'll be honest, I'm not as blown away as I thought I would be. "Without You," "Dirty Water Dog," "Once," "Ballot or The Bullet" "One I Want" and "Fire In The Hole" are the only real standouts. Whatever happened to the hooks that both bands used to have? Stuff like "From Afar" is just plain weird, "A Year To The Day" proves that there should only be one Led Zeppelin, "Josephina" could have been SO much better, and "How Many Say I" was only a reminder of how good a singer GARY is. I'm not totally writing them off. There is potential here. I bet some of this material will go over better live, which I will definitely be there to witness. At least I hope it will. Union- Since someone asked a while back, yes, the Union album (featuring ex- Motley Crue singer John Corabi and ex-KISS guitarist Bruce Kulick) rocks hard, but again, as was the case with the VH album, the hooks seem to be missing. The song the original poster probably heard on the radio was "Old Man Wise." If you like that song, you'll LOVE the album. There are some catchy songs like "Pain Behind Your Eyes," "Tangerine," "October Morning Wind," "Love (I Don't Need It Anymore), but the majority of them (OMW included) are very reminicent of the Crue album that John sang on and the most recent KISS album "Carnival Of Souls." Both those albums are long on attitude, short on hooks. But again, Union isn't bad. Richie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:21:37 -0700 From: "KorgX3" To: Subject: Re: DT CD next year!! (Trimming Met II) Message-ID: <01bd53d9$33b8ce40$message_id_removed> >Trim Met II??? Okay. Here's you: / and here's wrong: \ ...X, just >like that. (Perhaps it's more effective when I use my fingers instead of >slash lines :-). IMO. Uh... OK... No seriously though. I didn't say that I personally wanted them to trim Met2. Hell, I'd love it if it were a 70 minute song as much as anything. All I was saying is that long songs lack commercial appeal. Radio generally won't play anything from it (unless of course it's broken into decipherable parts that are still radio friendly) and the average consumer will just go, "Ack!" and leave it. But, then they can always take bits and pieces from the overall song and compress it into a 5 minute radio song. Sorta like the terrible entity that became the Take the Time video. But, hell, fuck us! I say the band chooses what they want to do. :) I'd rather see them obtain unrestrained creative freedom and write what they want whether or not anyone else likes it. I'd just like to see them all driving Ferraris next year, too, cuz they deserve it, IMO. Just keep that food on the table. Who'd wanna go on an Appalachian hunting party with Mike and Derek with only a Bowie knife and 50 ft. of dental floss? Sounds like fun to me. Just as long as we didn't get caught poaching Uncle Velmer's dachtsun pack I think it'd rule. Dachtsun's taste great with about anything except crayfish and albatross. Huh? --KorgX3 ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3657 **************************