YTSEJAM Digest 3656 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3655 by Nathan Rood 2) Recommendations for obscure stuff..if anybody cares by "Neal Brown" 3) Re: CD-R by Jim Suplizio 4) LTE gaps between songs by Steffen Barabasch 5) NDTC: Triumph Guitar Tabs by Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB) 6) summer tour by Pat Daugherty 7) Kiss The Stone by Joe DeAngelo 8) stuff by Dill Dough 9) Re: DT CD next year!! by Seroussi 10) Re: Kiss The Stone by Rogerio Brito 11) Re: CD-R by Rogerio Brito 12) Long songs/shits?/Easter vacation in the UK by "CP Parnham" 13) Hollow Years on VH-1 Europe!!!! by "CP Parnham" 14) Rudess show - Yikes... by Adam 15) Re: Wakka wakka wakka by Damon Fibraio 16) kronos, etc. by Al Balkiewicz ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:13:48 -0500 From: Nathan Rood To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3655 Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:09:04 -0700 > From: "KorgX3" > Subject: Re: DT CD next year!! > > > >new ideas AND THAT METROPOLIS part II WILL BE ON THAT NEW > >ALBUM!!! So lets hope his words come out and there will be no change > > You know, I hate to be the bubble burster and all, but I pray that they > either trim this sucker alot, make the whole album a Met II concept, or > scrap it for an EP. For one, I like long songs, but the average person (and > I think DT wants average people to like them, too) detests them. I have > friends who won't even try listening to them when I mention 9 minute songs. I don't understand the concept here. Certainly alot of people here have been complaining about how DT has gone in a more "pop" direction. A move like putting Met II on the next full-length album would certainly be a departure from this pop area. If the band trims the song, obviously key sections to the songs completeness will be dropped. This move of putting Met II on the next album would certainly convince all the unbelievers and doubters that DT is indeed NOT going pop. Also, you may have forgotten about a certain band who went in a pop direction for two albums only to be disallusioned with "the industry". They retreated and decided to screw what they thought "the fans wanted to hear" and wrote one big 55 minute prog fest song for themselves. The disc will soon become their highest selling album, if it hasn't done so already. BTW-the name of that band is Fates Warning :-) > Therefore people who listen to > Dream Theater and similar bands are people who feel they have time to listen > to long songs. In circumspect, people who feel they have free time are > either a)lazy, b)procrastinators, or c)in some mental detention center. > So.... Think I qualify for all of those...;-) > And that's why DT needs to trim Metropolis II. > --KorgX3 -Nate ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:43:37 PST From: "Neal Brown" To: email_address_removed Subject: Recommendations for obscure stuff..if anybody cares Message-ID: Hey there...haven't been Jammin at all recently...too much shit to do. Anyway, I have been buying CDs left and right. (LTE is on my list, I'm just runnin out of money!!) Soooo I figure some of you may want to hear about some of this stuff, because a lot of it's obscure, and I don't recall ever having seen these bands mentioned on here. Doctor Nerve-- This is some psycho avant garde jazz/rock stuff that is absolutely out there by itself. The only comparison I can even think of is mid-70s Miles Davis, sans the African feel, plus some a little bit of Robert Fripp thrown in on guitar. Add to this some computer music and you're getting the idea that this shit is beyond weird. Some of it manages to be catchy...most of it doesn't. I really like it, but I can only take a little bit of it at a time right now. It's earsplitting. Also, the pieces tend to be very short, between 2 and 5 minutes. A lot of the song titles betray an amusing Zappa influence--things like "Portland Applauds the Radio," "I Am Not Dumb Now," "Don't Be A Hog," "Sister Cancer Brother Dollar," etc. Instrumentation is pretty diverse; there's a guitarist, a drummer, a bassist, and a horn or a sax or two of some sort on pretty much every track, but there's a whole army of other folks who come in on different tracks. Everybody says the one I got (Armed Observation/Out To Bomb Fresh Kings) is the easiest to start with, btw. Highly recommended to fans of the avant garde jazz scene--late Trane, 69-75 Miles, and some of the wackier shit by Crimson and 20th century classical guys like Berg and Stockhausen (that's how dissonant it is....). Only for the VERY adventurous. Philharmonie-- This is a really cool band from France. I love these guys more with every listen. The most obvious point of reference is 80s King Crimson and Fripp's work with the Crafties, but Philharmonie takes that intricate "Bach rock" format and expands it. The contrast of Belew's indiscipline and Fripp's discipline is gone, and you don't have Bruford and Levin reinventing their damn instruments back there, but what really makes the band interesting is the rather delicate and often very complex weavings of the guitar lines. No vocals, this is all instrumental; the guitar lines make up for that by being *very* melodic. This band is also very strong rhythmically, using short melodic and rhythmic patterns that overlap and interlock. VERY highly recommended. Guitarists will especially dig this stuff, as well as anyone who wants to know what a Chapman Stick sounds like. Start with Nord or Rage--the latter is less delicate but no less complex, but Nord seems more thought out and deliberate. Also, there is Les Elephants Carillonneurs, which is just three guitarists. This is a *very* delicate and smooth album, and is also highly recommended to guitarists in particular. Djam Karet-- This is a very odd mix of King Crimson circa Red and Pink Floyd....sort of. Very unique stuff. The band plays in two very different idioms (somewhat like the 80s Crimson split personality, actually). One is the Floydian side of the band: mellow, atmospheric synth washes (which also resemble some of Fripp's Frippertronics/Soundscapes work) and taped sounds (voices, jackhammers, cars, etc.). This is the side that also features gentle acoustic guitar interludes, etc. The other side is the Crimsonian one: hard, driving guitar-based rock, with good solos. The contrast is striking and really works well, IMHO. Sometimes I feel like the chord progressions are a bit too obvious, but that's a minor complaint. Definitely worth checking out, although some of it might be too weird for some of you. I got The Devouring, their latest, which reconciles the two personalities of the band pretty well; I understand that some of their albums let one side dominate the other. Fans of the hard stuff will want to go for Burning the Hard City too; fans of the spacey stuff will prefer Suspension and Displacement. If you don't have a preference either way, pretty much any album should be okay to start with. Anyway, you'll hafta go to some mail order places for this stuff, if you're interested. (Target probably won't be stocking any of this anytime soon....;) ) Other obscure bands I really dig but didn't feel like reviewing =) : Boud Deun, Leger de Main, Discipline, Arti E Mestieri (drummers: get something by this band!--the drummer is a nutcase), and Ozone Quartet. Sorry for the long post, but I didn't have anything better to do =) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:43:35 -0500 From: Jim Suplizio To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: CD-R Message-ID: > I agree here... mine came w/ Easy-CD Pro, and I just upgraded to Easy > CD-Creator, and it is fairly easy to use, once you get used to it. > Also, from what I hear, you need to buy special discs to use for a > home stereo CD-R, which are much more expensive (~$15 compared to > $0-$2 for blank computer CD-Rs (yes, that is free - $2)). Also, I am > pretty sure that you will only be able to make the single dub of a CD, > and not copy a copy, w/o soem trickery (like forcing the CD-R door > open and replacing the blank before the writer starts writing), or > something to that effect... all in all, I think you get a much better > product w/ a computer based CD-R... > Mine also came with Easy-CD Pro which, with a little help from some Jammers (extreme thanks to Mike Marshall) I've been able to get things working. The only thing that I've found to be a pain is the inability to do CD to CD copy of audio cd's. But you can simply copy the songs to your hard drive as .wav files then make the cd. Some things are fairly easy to understand while others are a little less intuitive. Jim -- "We are all books of blood, as soon as we're open we're red" --Clive Barker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:26:39 +0100 From: Steffen Barabasch To: Ytsejam Subject: LTE gaps between songs Message-ID: Hi! >The problem with my LTE disc is that there is a second or so of *complete >silence* between *every one* of the five tracks of Three Minute Warning. The >Music just stops for a second and then continues. *This* is what destroys the I also noticed that problem with my SONY car CD changer. The reason is just stupid mastering. They put the usual 2sec pauses between the songs (that's when you see your player display -0:02 or something), and some CD players mute the sound during those pauses. So it's generally a bad idea to include pauses when you want to master a continuous piece of music. When I heard the first couple tracks of the album with all those cuts at the end of every song I thought: Wow, an album full of PMU endings... Steffen -- Steffen Barabasch THE MIRROR - deutscher Dream Theater Fanclub (http://www.westend.com/TheMirror) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:21:37 -0500 From: Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB) To: email_address_removed ('DT') Subject: NDTC: Triumph Guitar Tabs Message-ID: <1998Mar19.094134.1255.2151656@msmail.ic.gc.ca> Hey Jamsters, I searched for some Triumph Guitar tabs and I didn't come across any, does any know a site for some. Private e-mail please, would be greatly appreciated. Gary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:49:01 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty To: Dream Theater Mailing List Subject: summer tour Message-ID: I read on OUAS (http://www.angelfire.com/biz/ouasnewsletter/part1.html) that the Deep Purple/DT tour will be with Ted Nugent (old news) or Joe Satrianni (new news). |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email *SEND REPLIES TO* : email_address_removed | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |===================================================================| | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" -- X-Files | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:58:05 -0500 From: Joe DeAngelo To: YTSEJAM Subject: Kiss The Stone Message-ID: I checked out the Kiss The Stone website, and am thinking of giving it a try. What are your"impressions of these boots.......? Dream Out Loud $17 Mind Control $34 Lords Of Sound $34 Mind Control sounds tempting to me since it's from the Awake tour. Are all of these good quality boots? Thanks, - Joe DeAngelo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:06:59 -0800 (PST) From: Dill Dough To: email_address_removed Subject: stuff Message-ID: Hi! About Genesis: To me, Duke is the last "great" Genesis album. Even though Steve Hackett is not on here it still has some really good stuff on it. But for me, the best stuff is from the Peter Gabriel years (except "From Genesis to Revelation). These are: Trespass (get the import if possible because it's remastered. USA version isn't) Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, Genesis Live, Selling England By The Pound, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. Then after Pete left my fave is "A Trick Of The Tail." or the live 2cd set "Seconds Out." After that, there's Duke then everything else sucked until the new album, Calling All Stations. >Also, from what I hear, you need to buy special discs to use for a >home stereo CD-R, which are much more expensive (~$15 compared to >$0-$2 for blank computer CD-Rs (yes, that is free - $2)). >n home CD recorders you can play any cd, but you can only record on "music only" cd-r. These I've seen priced from $7 (Phillips blank cd-r at SEars) to $10 (at Fry's, a western US electronics chain). You can't use Data cd-r to record in home decks becaus ethey have a chip installed that can tell the difference. They do this because with data cd's that music industry doesn't receive any royalties from the sale where as with blank music cd's they do. That's why they are more expensive than computer cd-r. KISS THE STONE: I would be careful about these people because according to the query that was posted on the jam all these people sond Asian. BEFORE YOU POLITICALLY CORRECT ASSHOLES JUMP ALL OVER ME, the guys who ran the old KTS were all Italians, so I'm assuming that these guys just took the name. I am saying this because I used to live by a store that sold boots for $25 a disc. then there was a co. called Live Storm that sold the same titles but instead of $25 per it was $14 per. You'd think "well, the quality would be the same." But it wasn't. It was like they recorded the boot cd onto a tape through a ghetto blaster on a .49 blank tape then made the cd's from that. Ultimately though it's your decision. If someone does order through them post it to the jam because if the quality is the same then that's a hell of a deal! Gary Cherone: To me he sounds like Gary. I heard some guy mention that he is trying to be a Sammy clone and I completely disagree. This is the same guy who had never had an Extreme cd and me along with some other IRC people had to basically beg him to buy III Sides to Every Story. So since he's not into Extreme his opinion to me is invalid. But I can see where someone who isn't into Extreme can think he is trying to be Sammy because in certain songs Gary does do some screaming and when he does that he does sound like Sammy. Saying that Gary sings like Sam is like saying David Lee Roth sings like James LaBrie. >heheh. That's not as bad as a guy I work with who thinks every singer on >every album I have is Bruce Dickinson. heheh. He's an old IM fan. He's obviously not *that* old of an IM fan if he compares everyone to Bruce when you consider that Bruce was singer #2. If he was truly an old IM fan then he would be thinking of Paul DiAnno. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:31:18 +0100 From: Seroussi To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT CD next year!! Message-ID: <35114856.96E1795A@algonet.se> > From: "KorgX3" > > >new ideas AND THAT METROPOLIS part II WILL BE ON THAT NEW > >ALBUM!!! So lets hope his words come out and there will be no change > > You know, I hate to be the bubble burster and all, but I pray that they > either trim this sucker alot, make the whole album a Met II concept, or > scrap it for an EP. For one, I like long songs, but the average person (and > I think DT wants average people to like them, too) detests them. Then DT could decide what they want more: write good, interesting, challenging music or appeal to the lowest common denominator. I think that DT has sacrificied their artistic integrity enough with FII and it shows: jammers rave about seeing FII in the top-10s of selling albums and hearing songs off of FII on the radio. Please don't respond quoting Rush's Spirit of the Radio, there are tons of underground bands that are alive and well and also...their kids have enough food! Gee, I wonder how that can happen without them being first in Billboard's most selling or whatever it's called. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:35:47 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Kiss The Stone Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Joe DeAngelo wrote: > I checked out the Kiss The Stone website, and am thinking of giving it a > try. What are your"impressions of these boots.......? > > Dream Out Loud $17 > Mind Control $34 > Lords Of Sound $34 > > Mind Control sounds tempting to me since it's from the Awake tour. > Are all of these good quality boots? As I said earlier, I don't think that "Lords of Sound" is that good, because it lacks a lot of the higher end frequencies. The sound is muffled, and as I said earlier also, I think that this is a very annoying problem. *BUT* this boot has some interesting songs on it, such as "To Live Forever" with appended guitar solo (similar to that one from Mike Bahr's "When Dream and Today Unite") and "Learning to Live" (but keep in mind that LtL is edited, *very* unfortunately). > Thanks, > - Joe DeAngelo Hope this helps, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:04:00 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: CD-R Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Jim Suplizio wrote: > Mine also came with Easy-CD Pro which, with a little help from > some Jammers (extreme thanks to Mike Marshall) I've been able to > get things working. The only thing that I've found to be a pain > is the inability to do CD to CD copy of audio cd's. But you can > simply copy the songs to your hard drive as .wav files then make > the cd. Some things are fairly easy to understand while others > are a little less intuitive. Get Nero Burning Rom from and you'll be able to CD to CD digital copies of audio CDs. Very good program, BTW. > Jim []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:55:32 +0000 From: "CP Parnham" To: email_address_removed Subject: Long songs/shits?/Easter vacation in the UK Message-ID: That's an...erm, interesting, correlation KorgX3 made about the time to have a shit and the length of time a song plays for. I don't really buy it myself......I'm not going to even begin talking about 'toilet timing' or anything but I personally LOVE long songs, and short ones two, but not of the Green Day variety. Anyway, on to the other thing....I'll also be away for the Easter break (and I get FOUR whole weeks!!!) but I'm not unsubscribing. I do realise that when I get back it'll take me the whole of the summer term to read all 120 or so 'Jams but what the hell, eh? I might as well pass the time doing something! The best thing about my long Easter break is that I'll also be seeing DT on their short stop in the UK (Is four dates really enough? I don't think so!) so at least there's something to look forward to! See you on April 20th when I return!!!! Chris Parnham ICQ: 5714076 IRC: Insania _________________________________________________________________________ Please check out my local Rock band STORMWATCH at They're gonna be BIG!!! When autumn leaves are falling, When twilight's here at last, When time seems never ending, When present turns to past, When hopes are all we live for, When eyes are closed at night, When happiness forever is When dream and day unite..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:03:58 +0000 From: "CP Parnham" To: email_address_removed Subject: Hollow Years on VH-1 Europe!!!! Message-ID: EMERGENCY!!! EMERGENCY!!! A very quick notice to ALL THE EUROPEAN 'JAMMERS!!! If you have satellite TV/cable with VH-1 on it then make sure you tune into the Friday night Rock Show tomorrow!!! Hollow Years will be played!!!! The show airs at 12 midnight (UK time) so make sure you're there!!!! If for some reason you don't believe me, check the listings at I'm soooo excited now!!!! And I'll see DT on the 14th of April too!!! Chris Parnham ICQ: 5714076 IRC:Insania _________________________________________________________________________ Please check out my local Rock band STORMWATCH at They're gonna be BIG!!! When autumn leaves are falling, When twilight's here at last, When time seems never ending, When present turns to past, When hopes are all we live for, When eyes are closed at night, When happiness forever is When dream and day unite..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:07:02 -0500 From: Adam To: email_address_removed Subject: Rudess show - Yikes... Message-ID: Hey folks... When I posted that I had the full Jordan Rudess show I didn't expect the number of responses I received requesting it. I got close to 30 emails about it the day I posted the message. :) I've got my last exam today and then I'm off to Florida for Spring Break. I'm getting out about 8-10 trades for that show before I leave, but I can't get 30 trades out before Saturday. (Yikes!) So, if you're still interested in that show please email me again next weekend and I'll be happy to set up trades with all intersted parties... (Woohooo! Gotta love good trade fodder) :) I sent private email to a few of you explaining this, but then I gave up. :) Take care all... (LAST EXAM T-Minus 2hours 30minutes!!!) PS. I'm thinking strongly of setting up a DT tape tree. I was considering taking a poll on my webpage of established DT boot traders (say, 25 hours or more) to see what their favorite DT show(s) is, and then setting up a public tree for the top three shows in the poll, or something like that. I'd run the analog side, and if there's enough demand someone else can run the digital (DAT or MD) side. If anyone has any suggestions, opinions, etc, let me know... __________________________________________________ Adam Pye alpineone(-at-)mindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone/tapelist.html ^ Above URL for bootlist w/ setlists __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:43:22 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Wakka wakka wakka Message-ID: I have Tilt from Cotzen and Greg howe, and it kicks ass. Buy it or die!!! :) -- Damon Fibraio, email_address_removed Keyboards, vocals, musical slut I'll play for money. Enquire if interested. "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, but glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, Spirit of Radio, 1980 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:14:39 -0500 (EST) From: Al Balkiewicz To: TheListFromTheDepthsOfHell Subject: kronos, etc. Message-ID: So I was going to sleep last night, and wanted to fall asleep to a CD, which is common for me - is it common for other people on here too, or what? Anyway, a few weeks ago I bought a CD by the Kronos Quartet, which I had heard some good stuff about. I figure a string quartet would be a good, relaxing thing to fall asleep to, so I put it on for the first time....The first track was great, with the quartet doing some background stuff for this boys' choir - really good... I'm getting ready to fall asleep, and around track 5, the quartet went absolutely fuckin' apeshit, doing really wacky and I mean off-the-wall shit. Weird is the only way to describe it.......anyone else know about these folx???? Needless to say, I had to turn it off to even consider sleeping.... One more question....I really like stuff like the boys' choir thing that was done. I'm looking for stuff like that, but I don't know how to describe it. Very chant-ish harmonies and stuff.....kinda like Loreena McKennitt's stuff from "The Mask and the Mirror" (track 1) ....also stuff like in the vein of Carmina Burana as well..... ....also neat acoustic guitar, including cool instrumental flamenco as well...... if anyone has suggestions, please let me know..... -thanks, Al -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Her mouth is a soft explosion of roses A burst of raw animal definition For a few moments I was mortal......... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email_address_removed OR email_address_removed OR email_address_removed HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3656 **************************