YTSEJAM Digest 3642 Today's Topics: 1) Platypus by Mark Bredius 2) *** Bad Trader list *** by "Carlo D'Angelo" 3) Re: Help me, i need REAL information... by email_address_removed (Ed J Wilk) 4) Rock Discipline by Richard Warren 5) LTE by "Mike & Susan Verstraete" 6) Question for Mike, among other things. by Jon Kretschmer 7) Re: Aol im shit by The iban 8) LTE+Portnoy+...Zildjian? by Dave 9) DT show in Mannheim 11/03/98 - only some whity stuff by email_address_removed.de (Christoph Bauer) 10) Re: majestic harmonies by graham boyle 11) Re: *** Bad Trader list *** by graham boyle 12) Just a question... by =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Nicol=E1s_M=2E_Rinc=F3n=22?= 13) My detailed LTE sob story by MentalHunk 14) DT in Muenster by Coop42 15) Jap Hollow Years - Tracklisting. by Syrinx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:54:48 +0100 From: Mark Bredius To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: Platypus Message-ID: Dan Temmesfeld asked : > With the Platypus collaboration with Derek, John Myung, Ty Tabor, and > Rod Morgenstein (is that right?)...what label is that gonna be on? > Is it a Magna Carta release as well? Should be great, regardless. The album will be released by INSIDE OUT in Europe (the same label that released Winter Rose)... As far as I know, the guys are still shopping for a deal in the US. As usual, more information on Under A Cyber Moon (songtitles, for instance). ;-) Mark Bredius ____________________________________________________________ Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: email_address_removed * http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: 03-14-1998 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:50:13 -0500 From: "Carlo D'Angelo" To: Ytsejam Subject: *** Bad Trader list *** Message-ID:

hey all,
   is the bad traders list still around? if so, i have a name to add. 

matt

If you find the "Master" list please let me know because I have a few names to add as well.

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Here's #1...

Saif Attar (email_address_removed.jo)
P.O.Box 595
Amman 11947
Jordan

**Sent him 4 cd's to trade in early January. Once he acknowledged he got mine I never heard from him again, never answered his e-mail. After repeated e-mails to a friend of his he responded (through his friend's account) saying he sent mine, that his account was disabled, and to stop bothering him (fuckin' little prick!) He's ripped off a bunch of other ppl in January (just check Dejanews.com) so steer clear of this waste of human life.

If anyone knows any good revenge tactics please let me know. I've gotten ripped off before but its usually been too small a matter to get this upset over BUT this asswipe deserves whats coming to him. He's #1 on my hitlist and I'll be damned if I'm just gonna let it drop (like I usually do).

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Here's #2.......

Alan Estrada (email_address_removed.mx)

Alan Estrada
410 William Backer
Colinas de San Jeronimo
CP 64630
Monterrey, NL, Mexico

**I sent him 5 videos in a trade in late December. He said he got mine and they were great and that he sent my 5 out. Months later still no tapes despite repeated e-mails to him and the usual list of excuses ranging from "I was away for 2 weeks" and "Whoops..my post office screwed up". I realize these things happen...BUT they don't happen for 3 and a half months!!! Unless you enjoy a lot of bullshit in your e-mail DO NOT trade with this guy.

Speaking of bullshit...see below........

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Here's #3......

Dr. Mosh (email_address_removed)

Dino Khoe
P.O. Box 5061
Cerritos, CA 90703

** Yep..same dude from the 'jam. Being that he's a fellow jammer and that I've chatted with him online before (ages ago...) I figured him to be a reputable and honest trader. I could not have been more wrong. Nothing would prepare me for the endless storm of bullshit ONE friggin' videotape could cause. I know he's traded with others before so I'm at a loss as to why its so difficult to press "Record" and "Play" at the same time? (the whole process of completing a trade takes maybe 20-25 min of actual energy!?)

Our trade originated in late October and I STILL have not received my ONE measly videotape yet. I had his package ready within a few days. We agreed to send them at the same time but after months of watching his tape collect dust in my room I decided to mail it just to get rid of it in the hopes he'd FINALLY send mine. Wrong again...... Instead his response was that my tape was unwatchable...What fucking nerve!?! (which is crap....Its not crystal clear quality but its cool to see nonetheless). Fine...at this point I just want my tape back. And even thats like pulling teeth. I must say that his excuses are not as creative as other bad traders being that his sole response has always been "I'll send it on Monday"........nobody needs this kind of torture.

He seems to be a decent enough guy online..but is definitely not trustworthy, reputable, or honest when it comes to trades....thus = bad trader.
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I normally wouldn't give situations like these a second thought but early '98 has produced such an overabundance of shitty, dishonest traders I thought some of you might want to know.

on that note...Chris P...where are my Ron Thal goodies for the two ANGRA vids from late '96 (Jason Becker ALS Benefit in Chicago)? :-)

Carlo (Fates)

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"When you know that your time is close at hand
maybe then you'll begin to understand
Life down here is just a strange illusion."

--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:48:47 -0500 From: email_address_removed (Ed J Wilk) To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Help me, i need REAL information... Message-ID: >Hi to everyone!!!: > > Excuse my 'latin' english... I'm from Santa Fe, Argentina in Jejeje. :-) Lo siento para mi español horrible. ;-) Pero es problamente mas facile para ti si yo escribo en español. >America. This is my first question to all the DT's fans: Anybody knows >when DT is going to play in Argentina, South America? (please Mike, answer >me). Lo siento, pero yo no se. :( >The second is: What's the Liquid Tension Experiment? (who are they= > exactly?). LTE es una groupo de gentes de otros groupos de prog. Hay Mike Portnoy y John Petrucci de Dream Theater (obviomente), Tony Levin (el partida Stick y bass) de King Crimson y muchos mas, y Jordan Rudess (keys) de Dream Theater (cuando ellos necesitan una gente para jugar los keys, antes de Derek) y el Rudess\Morganstein Project. Yo compré este disco hoy, y es LOCO. Es Metropolis en muchisimas drugas. :-) Este es que Dream Theater debe estar (lo siento, yo odio Derek Sherinian). Tu NECESITAS este disco. :-) Ciao! Ed-San _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:59:03 -0600 From: Richard Warren To: email_address_removed Subject: Rock Discipline Message-ID: I have both versions of Rock Discipline. They are very different. The video as you might guess is complete. The book in the book/video set is simply tab of all of the exercises in the video. The book in the book/CD version contains some of the exercises on the video and some text describing the exercise. It only has probably 1/3 of the material on the video. The CD is just audio recording of the exercises with JP adding some voice over. It sounds as if most if not all of it is lifted from the video. Later, Richard Warren email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:55:42 -0600 From: "Mike & Susan Verstraete" To: Subject: LTE Message-ID: <01bd4fa4$b2e00aa0$aa5099d1@homewks> i got it, I Got It, I GOT IT!!!!!!! Yes I got the last Liquid Tension Experiment that my local Best Buy store had, and it's all MINE!!!!!! and I sincerely apologese to those who have not found it yet for my gloating. If you haven't found it yet, keep searching, it definatly ROCKS. And if that WAS the real Mike Portnoy the other day and you do read these messages, my hat is off to you dude, "You the Man!". Excellent double bass work on "3 minute warning" (on track #10). Also great job on all of the liner notes in the CD. Now, is it too early to start talking about LTE II? I was looking through the Magna Carta catalog that came in LTE, does anyone know if the group "Shadow Gallery" is any good? They are compared to Queesnryke and DT. Mike email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:12:41 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer To: email_address_removed Subject: Question for Mike, among other things. Message-ID: >From: Joe DeAngelo >There's not much I can think of at all. Is there any DT that's easy to >play? I dont really play guitar all that much, other than just screwing around and drooling on my guitar when I listen to JP, but I found PS pretty easy to play. The heavy stuff is just so fun to crank up...Another Day doesnt seem too hard either, except for the solo. Youre a beginner right? Maybe go for ACoS, thats a good weekend project for ya ; ) ___ >From: "LionelWong" >Ok...... I know everyone's point that the feel should be important.... but >surely U guys all know that while the equipment IS important, one shouldn't >get too hooked up in the choice of plastic pieces to use...I can >give U the best racks, axes, stomp boxes and so forth, but if U can't play >to save your life, U still can't play! So don't get too hung up on your >hardware.... First of all, it doesnt take to much to type the letters y-o-u, and it is a hell of a lot less annoying. Secondly, you are talking to a group of highly music-literate group of individuals, some of whom make their living off of playing music, so telling them they shouldnt be picky about what they choose to play is kind of silly. For trumpet, I play specific equipment for specific reasons. I play what I play because it produces the sound I want. Same goes for any instrument. Give a pianist a choice between a shitty old stand up or a Steinway, they will choose the Steinway, hands down, because it has better sound, and allows the music to flow much easier. By your logic, it shouldnt matter what instrument you use. But it does. Therefore, equipment is extraordinarily important. Brian May probably uses a coin because he has found it gives him the sound he wants, not because he doesnt care what he sounds like, which is what you imply. Remember, you're talking to Portnoy Himself now, you gonna tell him that he should be able to play what he does on a bunch of tin cans? I dont think so. No way. ___ >From: Chris Groves >HAD the biggest gassle? I have the biggest hassle in finding the LTE CD!!! >Simple: I live in Hobart, Tasmania. :) Easy solution. Move. : ) ___ >From: >This is my first question to all the DT's fans: Anybody knows when >DT is going to play in Argentina, South America? (please Mike, answer me). Yeah, forget about the fans, why dont you just email mike himself? haha : ) Wait, no just kidding, dont! : ) You know, Ive been thinking, if everyone has the mindset "Dont email Mike, we dont want to overwhelm him, or piss him off" Mike may not be getting any email. Can you imagine it? Mike emails the jam, expects a flood of email, and receives none. What a let down...Especially since my interaction's with him have led me to beleive that he loves nothing more than hearing from his fans...The reasonable ones anyway. Took all the restraint in the world to keep from emailing him myself. So I would be interested in asking Mike how many emails he actually HAS received from people on the jam... >The second is: What's the Liquid Tension Experiment? (who are they= > exactly?). Mike Portnoy, John Petrucci, Tony Levin (bass), and Jorden Rudess (keys) got together and in a week wrote and produced an instrumental album. And it ROCKS. Hasnt left my CD player once. Amazing to see the sickening talent at work. Listening to LTE makes me want to just give up music all together, set up a shrine to the prog gods, cease speaking, go celibate, and live out the rest of my life with the CD on infinte repeat. Back to worship. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:28:33 EST From: The iban To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Aol im shit Message-ID: In a message dated 98-03-14 16:54:30 EST, you write: << To shut your IM's off, send an instant message to the screenname $im_off To turn them back on, send an instant message to the screenname $im_on >> thank you for your AOL Lessons, do you have any more exciting aol tips to share with the ytsejammers??? the Rocky ------------------------------ Date: 3/14/1998 19:42 From: Dave To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: LTE+Portnoy+...Zildjian? Message-ID: --==pw_boundary== Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey everyone, I had a very easy time finding LTE in my local music/import store, and I must say it is worthy of the great reviews I've read on this list. Anyway, in the picture on back of the jewel case, it looks like there is a Zildjian cymbal in there. Has anyone else seen this yet? It might have been part of the kit that was used in the studio, but I would have thought that he would bring in his own gear. Dave - a keen observer of detail. --==pw_boundary==-- ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 1998 13:22:00 +0100 From: email_address_removed.de (Christoph Bauer) To: email_address_removed Subject: DT show in Mannheim 11/03/98 - only some whity stuff Message-ID: Hi there! I went to the DT Show in Mannheim on 11/03/98. And I went there with 14 friends. Some of them saw and even listen to DT the first time in their life.... The set started with ACOS I and then the usual stuff followed (don't remember which after what...) While JP did this absolute amazing guitar solo one of my friends got on his knees and said: (translated)"Everything that is not a human being has to be devinal." This one is converted to DT :-) After the show we waited to meet some of the bands' members because we had an aftershow pass. So sitting there and waiting, suddenly JP went by and said a really cool "hello". But when we realized what has just happened he already was disappered. The next member we saw was Derek. But he only looked out of the door for 2 secodds or so, than disappeared also. But MP came out some minutes later. We got the opportunity to take photos, get signatures and talk a bit. Some other crazy fans were there too. They are certainly on the jam. One of them, a girl looking japanese, had an photoalbum with 10 years DT shows :-) MP obviosly knew her and the other guy because he drank a Jagermeister with the guy. We went out to the bus to see some other members. And then we saw something I still couldn't believe. The doors of the bus were closed. But we could see JM sitting inside playing bass!!! We went back to MP inside the hall and asked him:"Why is JM sitting in the bus playing Bass?" He said that he will have some kind of bass clinic next day and because he didn't do that before he wants to practice a bit :-) Later, we met JP and JL near the bus. We got some photos and signs. The Show itself was the best I've ever seen from them. It was my 4th show. OK. That's all... Ciao C. ## CrossPoint v3.11 R ## ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:51:08 +1100 From: graham boyle To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: majestic harmonies Message-ID: Damon Fibraio wrote: > Anybody want to make a copy of this for me? Sure for $20 plus postage I can certainly do that. graham ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:12:08 +1100 From: graham boyle To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: *** Bad Trader list *** Message-ID: I've traded with numerous guys, both jammers and freaks and never been ripped off once, though there is one guy I will never trade with again, but this ain't the place to air any dirty laundry. ]From my point there can be no excuses what so ever for taking longer than 6 weeks maximum to complete a trade. Let's no turn this thread into another 'Al & Pat' show :) graham ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:01:50 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Nicol=E1s_M=2E_Rinc=F3n=22?= To: email_address_removed Subject: Just a question... Message-ID: Anydody knows something about a progressive metal project with some members of: Dream Theater (James LaBrie, John Petrucci...), Royal Hunt (D.C. Cooper...) and Fates Warning?...I wait for an answer. Thanks, Nico -- Nicol=E1s Mat=EDas Rinc=F3n e-mail: email_address_removed Santa Fe, Argentina "Seize the day and don't you cry, Now it's time to say good-bye Even though I'll be gone, I will live on, live on" - Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:16:43 EST From: MentalHunk To: email_address_removed Subject: My detailed LTE sob story Message-ID: Ok Jammers, here's my sob story...... I have a strike going against me right away...I live in the boonies of North Dakota ! This is a place where Garth Brooks will sell out our biggest arena, and a rock show is lucky to break even in our smallest bar....(We had Anthrax and Metal Church play here once at a dinky civic center and they LOST money on the deal). Anyway, on to the story...I had initially pre-ordered it online through CD-Now....with the order still active (before the release date), I then saw the Japanese "Hollow Years" was available....Stupidly, I tried at first to combine the orders until I realized it may slow the other one down....In straightening this mess out, I had unknowingly deleted the pre-order for LTE.....So....Wednesday comes, a day after LTE was released....Still no Fed- Ex.....I had gone online that night to check my order status and found only "Hollow Years" on order....I called the customer service, and after waiting on hold for ten minutes, they said I deleted it on my end....I realized I must have done it when I tried to combine the orders. So here I was, no LTE, not even on order, after waiting for it to arrive for two days. I got on the phone ASAP Thursday morning to find it locally.....Best Buy said "what was the name again ? and then "Don't have it"....Media Play "was that the title or the band?"...and "I don't see anything even close....are you sure ?" Grrrrrrr......Then Disc and Tape MAsters, who are usually really good with imports, etc..."We don't have that" (I doubt if they even looked)....After work that same day, I went to every store in town....and no-one had it....After hearing how so many of yours were in back, in the dance section, etc., I looked through every single disc.Still no LTE....Then , I went to my last resort....we have a Disc-Go-Round here, and the manager likes to have a good progressive selction (though he gets a good price for them) "He'll have it", I thought to myself. He's a big DT fan...That's where I got the 86 Majesty Demo and Majestic Harmonies....I asked if he had it, and get this...he has never even heard of it ! I showed him in his book the title, release date, etc., and he circled it so he could get some in...(but not for two weeks)....so I went home frustrated and still with no LTE....I once again ordered from Cd-Now (and triple-checked to make sure it went through).As I understand, it is now in transit, but I still have'nt received it. (even though I ordered it fed-ex one business day). So I'm hoping Monday is "the day".... And after hearing how good it is from you guys my patience is wearing really really thin ! Anyway, thats my story...sorry for the details but I felt it was condusive to the story....Moral of the story ? I was a dumbass to mess with the order in the first place , and North Dakota is full of Hicks, who are the very reason the only time a good band comes here is when they're passing through on Interstate 94 on their way from Minneapolis to Boise Idaho. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:24:34 EST From: Coop42 To: email_address_removed Subject: DT in Muenster Message-ID: Hi there, some of you may remember my praising of yesterday's show in Duesseldorf. In that post I said that they could only top that show if they played Trial of Tears tonight in Muenster. Well, guess what they played as last song before the encore... :-)))) As usual, the show started with the Clockwork Orange intro. I expected LitS to follow, but it didn't (which was a genuine shock to me, because I thought I knew what to expect). Instead they started with a little instrumental piece that I didn't recognize (which got me irritated even more). After the show my friend said that it was the theme song of "The Munsters". He's usually right about things like that, so I guess it's true. Just as I typed this last sentence, I realized that it probably was that theme song, because the name of the city is "Munster" (with an 'Umlaut', if it's not spelled "Muenster"). Whoaaa... The first 'real' song was Innocence from ACOS, so I knew that the setlist would be different from the shows of this tour that I had seen already. Great! I don't remember the exact setlist, but they left out Lines in the Sand, Voices and Under a Glass Moon. Instead they played Innocence, Take the Time (YEAH!) and Trial of Tears. Take the Time had a new ending which was absolutely *killer*! The order of the other songs was also a bit different than at the previous shows that I saw on this tour. Other notable moments include a little technical problem at the beginning of Derek's solo which seemed to get him pretty pissed off, although I don't think that most people would have even noticed it. The two audience drummers were quite good, and that little excerpt from "One" was also done again. I think it's time that they start learning to play that whole song... James and Mike really seem to enjoy carrying John Petrucci off the stage, because they did it again tonight. He wasn't able to continue playing this time though, because James took his hands and Mike his feet (or vice versa). I guess they really must be fed up with all that guitar talk on the jam and started hating their guitarist or something... ;-) I should also mention that I think that James' stageacting has improved *a lot* over the years. And he didn't even start any fistfights with members of the audience! ;-) This is long enough already, so I'll just say that I had a fantastic weekend. Two stellar performances, different setlists: I'm (deep) in heaven! Dream Theater rules. They really do. Take Care, Andreas Berger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:26:48 -0500 (EST) From: Syrinx To: Michael Burstin Subject: Jap Hollow Years - Tracklisting. Message-ID: > Just wanted to ask (again), anyone have any idea what the 3/17/98 > Japanese release of the Hollow Years CD single has on it? MusicBlvd > has it on sale now on their page, but no track info... Anyone know? well, the copy *I* have has a tracklisting of: hollow years (edit) hollow years (fii version) you or me the way it used to be burning mah soul (live at bitch hell; 12.14.96) the killing hand (live at bitch hell; 12.14.96) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email_address_removed / email_address_removed erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3642 **************************