YTSEJAM Digest 3615 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3612 by The iban 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3614 by The iban 3) Rudess/Morgenstein Project ...questions. by A P Longley 4) Re: barre by The iban 5) Re: barre by "Brian Hayden" 6) Guitar: February 1998 by "Woolcock" 7) DT in Helsinki ***SPOILERS*** by O-P Komonen 8) Keyboards vs Guitars by Chris Oates 9) Re: Oops; Laser's Edge promptness? by Phil Carter 10) Drums and TAMP by email_address_removed 11) Dt gig in Helsinki, Finland. by "Ville Rassi" 12) Re: THIS IS NOT ME! by Al Balkiewicz 13) How do they do that? by "CP Parnham" 14) Deep Purple and DT (DTC!) by "Gene Szucs" 15) 7-string thread... by K I L L M A R Y 16) Re: barre by email_address_removed 17) "damn producers" by Mark Bredius ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 05:41:55 EST From: The iban To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3612 Message-ID: In a message dated 98-03-04 20:02:06 EST, you write: << You and your kind make me sick! Oh, and if you want to settle this like a man (which I doubt you will), you can contact me at any of the following: Email? email_address_removed Mail? Chris Calabrese 706 East Tower Ithaca College 953 Danby Rd. Ithaca, NY 14850 How about the phone? (607) 375-4100 I'll give you directions to here so we can settle it like men! Take your pick! >> Deja Vu???? =] Rocky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 05:46:20 EST From: The iban To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3614 Message-ID: > Piano, IMO is the EASIEST instrument to learn on. All instruments >are about equally difficult to MASTER, though. Who on this list is >going to be satisfied playing only Green Day type music? Give me a >break! > ok, i can ALMOST agree that its the easiest to begin to learn on, but i must say one "instrument" is even easier, drums. Rocky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:47:07 +0000 From: A P Longley To: email_address_removed Subject: Rudess/Morgenstein Project ...questions. Message-ID: Hi, I've just heard that Rudess/Morgenstein Project will tour the UK in April with Dream Theater. Does anyone have their album, is it worth buying, and do you know if it is released in the UK? Thanks, - __ Adrian. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 05:50:02 EST From: The iban To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: barre Message-ID: >Last time I checked, the only types of chords were open and barre; I don't >know about anyone else, but I find barre chords to be harder to play well. >The third and fourth string many times catch in the creases of my finger. > >-Brian > you gotta roll your index finger to it's side. my roomate had the same problem when i was teaching him barre chords. Rocky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 98 05:04:09 -0600 From: "Brian Hayden" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: barre Message-ID: Responding to the message of Thu, 5 Mar 1998 03:07:34 -0800 (PST) from The iban : > you gotta roll your index finger to it's side. my roomate had the same > problem > when i was teaching him barre chords. Yeah, I try that, but then it screws with my other fingering. I have pretty short fingers, so they don't reach around real well. -Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 21:36:11 +1030 From: "Woolcock" To: "YtseJam Mailing List" Subject: Guitar: February 1998 Message-ID: Hi jammers, Did anyone see in the Feb. Issue of Guitar, DT mentioned about 25,000 times? Not only did it have the tab for Burning My Soul, but it also had JP's top 10 favourite CDs (my friend said 'yeah!' to 'Master of Puppets' and my dad said 'yeah!' to 'Fragile' and 'Led Zeppelin IV'). In the Guitar Reader's Choice Awards: Best Band: 1st - Dream Theater, 2nd - Metallica (IMO who suck ever since Load), 3rd - Pantera. Best Rock Guitarist: 1st - Dimebag Darrell (Pantera), 2nd - OUR John Petrucci, 3rd - Joe Satriani. Best Guitar Album: 1st - G3 Live in Concert (my friend would agree with this), 2nd - Falling Into Infinity (yeah!!), 3rd - ReLoad (oh please). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Shane Woolcock - email_address_removed.au WWW - http://rampage.ml.org/sector1/~samah/ "Still awake, I continue to move along, Cultivating my own nonsense" - DT ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 14:27:09 +0200 From: O-P Komonen To: email_address_removed Subject: DT in Helsinki ***SPOILERS*** Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980305142709.006d3668@hlti.fi> ***SPOILERS*** ***SPOILERS*** ***SPOILERS*** ***SPOILERS*** OK... I think the gig was pretty much like the few previous gigs in Europe, with one exception I think. James did an accapella version of some Supertramp song.. dunno what, cuz I relly don't know much about that band. The lyrics had something to do with lovers, ocean and boats :) other than that, the gig was of course FRIGGIN' AWESOME, some other jammers will prolly post a better review thatn me, so I'll just leave it there. P.S. If some of you guys saw a guy running to Portnoy and talking a bit with him when he was walking past the line when we were waiting to get in, that guy was me :) op777 ------------------------------------------------------------- Olli-Pekka Komonen snail:Kutojantie 2, 13720 Parola, Finland e-mail: opk@hlti.fi phn:+358-3-6715036 cell:+358-400-498 266 ------------------------------------------------------------- "YOUTAKEMYLIFEANDI'LLTAKEYOURSTOO!!!" -Kevin Moore "Very positive message" -James LaBrie ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 04:28:27 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" Subject: Keyboards vs Guitars Message-ID: I don't wanna start this thread, so I'm not gonna jump in and defend Damon, even tho I think he is mostly right. I will, however, offer up my experience on the issue. I've read a great many interviews and such with "famous" "musicians" in "bands" and I noticed a pattern over the years. Guitarist: "Well, I picked up the guitar three years ago, taught myself using the "teach yourself Heavy Metal Guitar in 21 Days" book, and look at me now, I'm famous and rich. I don't know what a major scale is, but I get laid by a diefferent woman evry night! Isn't it great!?" Keyboardist (if they have one): "Well, I've been playing since I was 3 years old. I've taken private lessons since then. I was winning state championships in classical piano by age 15. Now, Not only do I not get to write any of the lyrics or music, the band makes me play nothing but pads, I don't even appear in the band photo, I get an "also featuring" credit instead of being listed as a full member, and when we tour, I get to play off-stage so no one sees me! Isn't it great!?" Now, this is a lot of why I got into prog. Keyboardists have NO respect in the mainstream rock/heavy music world. I went out and bought I&W the first time I heard PMU on the radio because it was the first metal song I'd ever heard that didn't have the keys turned down so low that you could barely hear them, and Kev was actually playing something INTERESTING. Yes, I'm a bitter keyboardist, and so is Damon. Anyone who says that they are a rock guitarist immediately has "cool" stamped in the minds of random strangers whom they meet. A rock keyboardist immediately has the word "geek" stamped in. Luckily, I've found a group of people (well, helped to form a group of people) who want to do heavy, slightly proggy, cool music that have prominent keyboards, so I'm happy with that, but it is a tough world out there for us Tinklers of Ivory. Rant off. I now return you to your regularly scheduled BafuJam. ~Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:20:46 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Carter To: Under a Glass Ytse Subject: Re: Oops; Laser's Edge promptness? Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... Madsman remarked: > I accidentally quoted part of Phil's message without responding to > it. A mistake I will rectify through my response to Vin. C'mon, Chris, you know you just wanted an EOJ. And got it. Geez, even you Ackers want those EOJs....:) On an unrelated note, how quickly does the Laser's Edge send stuff out usually? I placed a 6-disc order with 'em what seems like two-three weeks ago and haven't seen or heard anything. Of course, I *could* just call Ken Golden and ask him what's up, but I'd rather not bother him if someone here tells me that two-three weeks is normal. Joe Satriani rulez (just your Daily Reminder to BUY "CRYSTAL PLANET". NOW). Ta, Phil ===================================================================== Phil Carter -- email_address_removed (work), email_address_removed (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach Currently playing: Angra -- "Angels Cry" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 09:49:36 EST From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Drums and TAMP Message-ID: --- Received from HQ02MEMO.TC6NSMM MCCURDY, SHAWN 03-05-98 09:48 Figured I'd jump on the "Equipment" bandwagon Drum Kit: TAMA Artstar Custom (Color: British Racing Green) Bass Drum: 22" Toms: 10", 12", 13", 14" Floor Tom: 16" Toca Mini Timbales 8" and 10" Cymbals: Zildjian 6" Zil Bel 17" A Thin Crash 6" A Splash 18" Z Med Custom Crash 8" A Custom Splash 18" Z Rock Crash 10" Edge Flash Splash 18" Z Custom China 10" A Custom Splash 19" Z Med Custom Crash 14" Mini-China 20" A China Boy-High 14" Z Custom Hi-Hats 20" Z Heavy Power Ride Sabian 10" HH China Kang (Mounted on top of 10" Edge Flash Splash) Other Noise Makers: LP studio Bar Chimes, LP Vibra Slap, LP Jam Block, LP Ridge Rider Cowbell, LP Cyclops Tambourine Hardware: TAMA Drum Rack and TAMA HT520 Drum Throne -------------------------------------------------------- On the semi-recent debate of TAMP: I would have to agree that the Demo version of TAMP is much better than the FII version. It seems much more full of emotion and more powerful, not to mention longer with the additional verse. It has been playing in my stereo and in my head for about a week now since my grandfather passed away on Sunday. It's been somewhat of a comfort. See-ya, Shawn "I'm learning to survive, without you in my life, till you come knocking at my door." ---- 03-05-98 09:48 ---- Sent to ------------------------------------ -> IBMMAIL.I1739025 Advantis IBM Mail Exchange ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 06:52:30 PST From: "Ville Rassi" To: email_address_removed Subject: Dt gig in Helsinki, Finland. Message-ID: I have know seen the greatest band on earth live.I could now die as a happy man. :-) Vanden Plas was the opening band.I liked them.Especially the drummer he was very creative. But on to DT!What could I say?Phenomenal?MInd Blowing?Definitely!!! They started with Lines in the sand.I was air drumming during the whole song and Mike noticed it and pointed at me(more on that later).:-) Next was Burning my soul.My neck still hurts from moshing.Voices followed.Absolutely...FUCKING GREAT!I canīt remember the exact order of the following songs.But they played:Peruvian skies, Hollow Years(with Mike on the little four piece kit)New Millenium, Pull me under, Puppies on Acid, Lie,Ytsejam with fasten your seatbelts and drumsolo.Metropolis/LtL/?/fortune in lies, Darkest of winters, Carpe Diem(I think), JLMB During the drumsolo I experienced the climax of my musical career.I got to play a tom with Mike Portnoy.I guess that air-drumming payed off! :-) And whatīs more, Mike was impressed about my playing!(to finnish jammers,I was the second guy who played, not the first one.)I got to keep the sticks and later got him to sign one of them.Derek and John P. Did their usual soloīs, and James sang one song with only him in the stage.He said it was his solo singing debute.I canīt remember the song title. Iīm sure they played other songs that I mentioned but I canīt remember them. After the show we hanged outside their tourbus and waited for the guys to show up.They came one by one.First came Derek.He said(an exact quote):you Finns are a bunch of crazy motherfuckers! :-)He started to laugh when someone asked him:Is mr.PornToy coming out soon? Next came James.He was very kind but obviously tired.Then came John M. That day he was definitely the silent man.Very kind and modest. We had to wait atleast half an hour before Portnoy and Petrucci came out.I thanked Portnoy for letting me play the tom with him.He said that I played good and signed his signature and wrote: good job!-above his signature. :-) Didnīt get to chat with Petrucci because he was already on his way to the tourbus when I tapped on his shoulder and asked him to sign my album cover. Overall, this has been one of the best experiences in my life.I met only one jammer there while I was waiting outside to get in to the place.didnīt get your name, sorry.You were a cool guy to chat with. -Vilzu- P.S.Someone mentioned that Vanden Plas played Super Mario Bros. in their tourbus.That must be their favorite game since they did the same thing in here. :-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:04:32 -0500 (EST) From: Al Balkiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: THIS IS NOT ME! Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Chris Calabrese wrote: > > EVERYONE! I DID NOT WRITE THIS! WHOEVER IT IS, IS FUCKING WITH ME. IT > WAS NOT FROM MY EMAIL ADDRESS IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE. > whoever it is signed his name on the bottom of the post..... *sigh* you wouldn't happen to be a DJ for K-Rock here in NY, would you? -Al ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 15:29:08 +0000 From: "CP Parnham" To: email_address_removed Subject: How do they do that? Message-ID: Hello, Why do I keep reading about setlists for DT's European concerts? In 6 weeks time I'm going to be at one myself and the last thing I want to be doing is writing down the setlist and timing each song! How come you guys have got the time to do that sort of thing??? Didn't you go there JUST to enjoy yourself by seeing the band? If any of you wish to reply to this then feel free but I don't mean anything offensive by it. It was just an observation, nothing more. :-) Chris Parnham ICQ#: 5714076 _________________________________________________________________________ Please check out my local Rock band STORMWATCH at They're gonna be BIG!!! When autumn leaves are falling, When twilight's here at last, When time seems never ending, When present turns to past, When hopes are all we live for, When eyes are closed at night, When happiness forever is When dream and day unite..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:09:54 -0500 From: "Gene Szucs" To: Subject: Deep Purple and DT (DTC!) Message-ID: <01bd4851$22816c60$0100007f@localhost> I don't know if anyone's reported this or not, but Deep Purple and DT are expected to tour the US together August 1 through Sep. 15, according to Hard Radio. Sounds interesting, Steve Morse and JP on the same night! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:43:11 -0500 (EST) From: K I L L M A R Y To: email_address_removed Subject: 7-string thread... Message-ID: Hey, if you guys have problems with the sound of the Ibanez Universe, I think I know an alternative that could be pretty cool. I just saw that Alembic makes a baritone guitar, which is strung B to B instead of E to E. The guitar has a 28 inch scale, which should make those lows much more powerful, and it should sound like a REAL baritone guitar. I have no idea what stores carry those guitars though - our local stores sell Alembic stuff but they don't have the guitars. If I hadn't switched over to bass, I would DEFINITELY check one of these out. If one of you ever makes it big, you could order a 2-neck guitar with one neck being baritone and the other standard tuning. Now that would rock :-) I am pleased with the sound of my 7-string. I think the chucky neck and the bigger body compensate a bit for the "flat" response pickups, adding some warmth and wood tone to the sound. It definitely sounds more "organic" to my ears than most Ibanez 6-strings, especially the ones with the real thin necks (those sound almost like plastic with pickups to me). One thing that might change the sound of mine is that I got it already pretty beaten up, with some parts where the painting is gone and the wood is showing. I should probably take the whole painting off and put some lacquer finish to see if it sweetens the sound further... Does anybody here own one of those new Marshall JCM 2000 amps? I'm really curious as to how those sound... Later! Christian. ____ ____ ____ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ / / /\/ /\/ /\\ /\ /__/ / / \/ \__/ / / /___/ /___/ \\/ \____ /\ \ / / / \/ / / / / /\ \ // \ / / \ / / / / / / / / \___\// / / / / / /__ /__ / / / / / /\ / / / \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / \___\_\_\__\\__\__\___\_\___\_\___\_\__\__/ / \_________________________________________/ "Kill her. That's all you have to do." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 09:44:13 -0700 (MST) From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: barre Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Brian Hayden was quick to retort: > > you gotta roll your index finger to it's side. my roomate had the same > > problem > > when i was teaching him barre chords. > > Yeah, I try that, but then it screws with my other fingering. I have pretty > short fingers, so they don't reach around real well. Ah c'mone ya pussy! I think I have the smallest fingers in the world (heck, half the chicks I meet have bigger hands than I do) 'n I can barre just fine 'n dandy. >:) Get some blood circulatin' in those digits 'n stretch, then try playing. Do like Petrucci does. Massaaaaage. It really does work wonders. ~Eckie, the ever so relaxed guitar wanker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:49:43 +0100 From: Mark Bredius To: "'Ytsejam'" Subject: "damn producers" Message-ID: Loren wrote : > I'M PISSED OFF!!!! > > Now I know what happens when damn producers, who don't know SHIT about > music, do to songs when they get they're greedy little paws on them! > I nearly cried after hearing the REAL TAMP. How could Mr. Shirley take > that song and utterly destroy it? I mean, I could see it if he changed > a couple of things here and there, but he ripped it APART! It's not > even the same song. 1. Do you really think Dream Theater has this little to say about what goes on with their work ? It's always easy to blame the producer, rather than to face up to the fact that your favourite band just made some musical decisions you don't agree with. 2. Dream Theater seems very happy with Kevin Shirley's work on FII. Just check out some interviews. Not one bad word about Kevin in any of them. David Prater on the other hand... 3. They let Kevin Shirley mix "Liquid Tension Experiment" too. That should tell you something, shouldn't it ? > And how could they leave songs like STM, TWiUTB, and CME??? Well, after 78:18 minutes they kinda ran out of space on the CD. Shit happens. :-) > I think STM is one of the best songs out of the FII sessions. Didn't do much for me. Mark Bredius ____________________________________________________________________ Dream Theater - "Under A Cyber Moon" http://www.prognosis.com/dream/ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3615 **************************