YTSEJAM Digest 3609 Today's Topics: 1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3607 by "Richard A. Rivera" 2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3608 by "Richard A. Rivera" 3) Caliban and Key fingering by Chris Oates 4) DT in OZ by email_address_removed.au (Paul Dyer) 5) Shawn Lane! by AURACLE 6) joke by Chris Bowsman 7) Guitarianoissimalissippi by Chris Oates 8) Bad Fiction... by "KorgX3" 9) 7 string guitars by Calvin 6S 10) economy picking by Calvin 6S 11) Re:Bass Rigs by Sebastjan Videc 12) photos? by Adam Bodnar 13) Disc for sale by "Trevor W. Hoit" 14) Did someone say "Buy Satch?" by Dan Senko 15) 7 Strings, bashing so hard I break pickup rings, and tendonitis - NDTC by "Blevins, Mike" 16) Caliban / Satch questions by "Tedesco, Matthew" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 01:56:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3607 Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 email_address_removed wrote: > > Alex hit the nail on the head with this one. The biggest city in the country, > and it has by FAR the worst radio scene of them all. Check out the L.A. radio scene. It USED to be amazing. KNAC (105.5) was legendary and that in itself would have qualified for a great scene. But not only did we have that, we had Pirate Radio (100.3, my personal fav) and KLOS (95.5). Now all but KLOS are gone and all KLOS does is play 3/4 classic rock and 1/4 "new" rock. KROQ (106.7) has taken over and never have I listened to such a self-righteous station. It's not that they play shitty music (they do, but that's not the point), it's that they come across as if God has entrusted them to decide what is cool and what is not. Sortta like MTV (the fact that the two play the same songs is interesting). KROQ did something called "Screw The Crue," which was a smear campaign against Motley Crue. Apparently their joke backfired and they were flooded with calls in support of Motley so the DJs apologized on the air. But it's indictative of their attitude. It's one thing not to play a certain type of music. It's another to try to organize a movement such as this. It made me sick. Richie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 02:02:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3608 Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 email_address_removed wrote: Candlebox is one of > those bands that had a big album then disappeared. They're up on the shelf > with bands like the Fine Young Canibles and Saigon Kick. Oh man. Fine Young Cannibles and Saigon Kick in the same sentance? SK is one of the most unique and diverse bands out there. Check them out, you might be surprised. > New album that deserves a spin...Union...the new John Corabi (ex-Motley Crue > and Scream) and Bruce Kulick (ex-Kiss, Good Rats, Blackjack). An excellent > effort to keep the metal faith alive. > Agreed. It is a damn fine album. Not as immediately catchy, as I had hoped, but it grows on you. Definitely a great first effort. Though it is going to be a while until I listen to it again, now that Richie Sambora's album is out :) Richie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:07:11 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" Subject: Caliban and Key fingering Message-ID: First off: Caliban. While Tad WIlliams is my favorite author, I must give credit where credit is due. Caliban's hour is a retelling of the classic Shakespeare play "The Tempest" from the point of view of Caliban, the usual villian of the piece. Obviously the band name stems more from the Shakespeare than the WIlliams influence. Secondly: Fingering of scales on a keyboard. While the fingering given (1 2 3 1 2 3 4 5) works for several scales, there are different fingerings for a great many of the scales. For example, the way I learned F#/Gb major is (2 3 4 1 2 3 1 2) -- and the minor scales have different fingerings as well, as would the various modes. So, there is no "one great fingering" for scales. WHen improvising, I usually just try to find a finger that's free and put it where I want it, but I'm not that great of a player. And the OpenGL question lingers: KorgX3, I think that the original poster meant in terms of a programming aspect (which is why it was asked "in openGL" as opposed to "in Application X") At least, I hope so. The answer _I_ gave assumed that. :) And, ya know, this is probably boring the guitarists, and since they control the Universe (at least from the plurality and Ibanez perspectives) we should all bow to them and do as they say. On second thought, naah. ~Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 17:10:17 -0800 From: email_address_removed.au (Paul Dyer) To: email_address_removed Subject: DT in OZ Message-ID: >>According to DT Aussie label they are looking at April/May for a >>possible tour here. >>Yes they are supposed to be coming, but seeing is believing :) All I have to say on that matter is....PLEEAAASE COME!!! :) Cheers Paul D. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 02:17:03 EST From: AURACLE To: email_address_removed Subject: Shawn Lane! Message-ID: Hey there fellow Jammers... In YTSEJAM Digest #3597, "Matt Halloran" asked: << Does anyone out there know where I can get a copy of any Shawn Lane work? I tried to get "Powers of Ten" a few years ago but it was out of print. >> Shawn Lane, whom I consider to be the only guitarist on the planet capable of giving Allan Holdsworth a run for his money (well, him, Greg Howe and Steve Vai), currently has four collaborative recordings with a Swedish bass monster by the name of Jonas Hellborg available in stores right now: "Abstract Logic," featuring Kofi 'Son of Ginger' Baker on drums; "Temporal Analogues of Paradise," a mindboggling live recording featuring ex-Aquarium Rescue Unit drummer Jeff Sipe and consisting of two half-hour long group improvisations that must be heard to be believed; "Two Doors," an album that features two distinctly different lineups, both with former Santana drummer Michael Shrieve--the first (and better) half's got Lane and Hellborg, the second half has Bill Frisell and Wayne Horvitz; and finally, "Time is the Enemy," another live recording with Jeff Sipe, but with somewhat shorter tracks (from six and a half to ten-plus minutes). All of them are *highly* recommended, and available on Hellborg's own label, Day Eight Music (except for "Two Doors, which was released by the now-defunct German CMP label). Check out Audiophile Imports' web site to order them. As for "Powers of Ten," which was released by Warner Bros. in 1992: sadly, it *is* now out of print, but you can still find copies of it here and there. Audiophile Imports may have it as well; again, check their website. Lane produced and engineered the album in his home studio, and not only played all the guitars, but all the keyboards (and he's just as scary on keys as he is on guitar, if you can believe that), bass and drums as well. Musically, it covers an extraordinarily wide expanse of terrain, from fusion to modern classical (the 13-minute "Powers of Ten Suite" is one of the most amazing orchestral arrangements I've ever heard, yet there are no actual strings or brass on it) to hard rock. It's like a cross between Holdsworth, Eric Johnson and Stravinsky, or something. Completely phenomenal. Hope this helps! -- Jeff (who hopes to one day write a poem as perfect as one of Shawn Lane's solos) :^) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 03:00:00 -0500 From: Chris Bowsman To: email_address_removed Subject: joke Message-ID: i used to date this girl, and one day i came home, and she had her bags packed and was about to leave. i asked her, "Why are you leaving?" She replied, "I heard you were a pedophile." and i responded, "Wow...thats a pretty big word for an 8 year old." sorry this has nothing to do with DT or anything musical, but i thought some of you may appreciate it. chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:25:00 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" Subject: Guitarianoissimalissippi Message-ID: Chris *hackphlegm*cek sed: >> There are so many GUITARISTS out their who give lessons out there >> that really don't know Music Theory that well, and definitely don't >> understand the it's application. > > There are so many PIANISTS with the same problem. It isn't related >to the instrument... it's related to the degree to which they pursued >their own music education. True, but I think that, percentage-wise, more guitarists are self-taught, so the odds are that a random pianist will have more change to have no real theory knowledge, which I think is more in line with the original warning against learning theory from Joe Random Guitarist. ~Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 01:39:30 -0700 From: "KorgX3" To: Subject: Bad Fiction... Message-ID: <01bd4749$0c857720$message_id_removed> >with bands like the Fine Young Canibles and Saigon Kick. As for their second >album "Lucy", its one of like 30 CDs that I have that I never even took out of >the case. I just got them so they can rot I suppose. Nein! Du canst nicht die Name auf Saigon Kick inst ungluck gezahgen. Nein! Nein!!! Ich vais nicht. Fier discos und ich liebe alles. Ow, my brain hurts. I probably didn't say any of that right. heheh. 12th grade German fades too quickly. No wonder we're one of the most poorly educated countries. And I live in the 52nd most poorly educated state in this nation. >True, but I think that, percentage-wise, more guitarists are self-taught, /me raises his hand as being another self-taught guitarist and I even crawled my own ass up on the toilet before I was potty trained and made a piss painting of the Sistine Chapel on the wall. ~KorgEckie3 isn't wearing any pants. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 03:50:52 EST From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: 7 string guitars Message-ID: I personally would like to get a 7 string myself one day, but I don't care for the lower budget RG series or the Universe. I like the necks, but the bodies have problems. I want a higher quality wood than basswood. While I was at NAMM, I noticed that Schecter Guitars makes 7 strings. I haven't played one, but Schecter is a very high quality shop. Perhaps someone out there has had experience with the Schecter 7 string? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 04:31:09 EST From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: economy picking Message-ID: email_address_removed stated: You'll find that most shredders swear by this, and only are starting to accept economy picking as its equal, probably because they feel that you should have to put as much work in as they did. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- I like this guy. Great sense of humor. However, by bringing up economy picking, I never meant to imply that alternate picking is inferior. I just don't understand the "economy picking" is cheating or produces inferior timing or tone. If anything, I've notice economy pickers get a very fluid tone. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------ email_address_removed then wen on to say: Incidentally, I'm curious if economy picking poses problems for you guys (and gals) when you start a lick on an upstroke? What about for accenting? Can you always noticably accent every 4th 16th note? What about accenting the notes that occur in offbeats? I would think this would be more problematic when you aren't using a standardized motion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------- Not at all. In fact, I think alternate picking tends to make guitar players too dependent on the downstroke. Let me give you an example. If an alternate picker wants to play a passage using straight septuplets (no not the seven freak show babies) and wanted to simply accent the first note of each beat, he would alternate between a downstroke accent and upstroke accent. I bet the alternate picker would have more trouble with the accent. Economy picking actually takes away the preference of an upstroke or downstroke. Like I said, I alternate picked for the first 3 years of my guitar playins, so I know its effects. I also stated that I don't arrange notes to facilitate economy picking. I use economy picking to facilitate playing. Let me give you an example. The run that begins the main Learning to Live solo: |----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------| |----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------| |----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------| |----------------9--11--12-------------------11--12--14--11--12--14------| |-9--11--12-----------------11--12--14---------------------------------------- | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------| \/ /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ \/ |------------------------------------------------------------------------14--1 6--17---| |---------------------------------------------------12--14--15--17------------ --| |-11--13--14-------------------11--13--14------------------------------------| |------------------11--12--14------------------------------------------------- ---| |----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------| |----------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------| /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ /\ = upstroke \/ = downstroke So as you can see, I actually start off the run with an upstroke, pretty much stay with "alternate picking". I only "sweep" once. Too me, this is the utlimate picking method. I can play that above run, and the mega Metropolis run very cleanly with little effort. Don't hold my breath or nothing : ) (oh no, I'm making stupid smiley faces!!!) So I don't arrange notes at all. My method is simply alternate pick until I change strings and then: 1) Change to higher pitch string, first note gets a downstroke 2) Change to lower pitched string, first not gets an upstroke So no real thought goes into. I actually prefer to start the above run with an upstroke because it keeps the first three patterns the same. However, if I started with a downstroke, it wouldn't matter. Well it might just because I've played that run with an upstroke every single time I played it over the past three years. So I throw the question back at alternate pickers - do you have problems accenting or beginning runs with an upstroke? I sure as hell don't. I think it is all relative to the player. For example, the John Petrucci Instructional Video gives an example where he states the hardest problem he has with picking is "what I call" inside picking. (Please turn to page 33 Example 17) Remember that section. The one where he says all guitarist that don't have a problem with this should be rounded up and shot. I'm glad he doesn't have weaponry when I see him play otherwise I would be dead. Do I feel superior (damn that band kicks ass) because I don't have a problem with this and JP does? Hell no. I can't do outside picking. So JP found his way to pick fast, I found mine. JP also found a way to tour and make music for a living, I haven't. So he can punch me for not having problems with "inside picking" if I can punch him for having the life I want. I'll trade any day. Perhaps I should have learned keyboard and made this offer to Kevin Moore a couple of years ago. What was I thinking? Keyboard is where it's at. There's no picks to worry about or anything. Wait, then I couldn't run around on the stage. I could only lift up one side of the keyboard and move it around. Or I'd have to put on a big, gay keyboard axe and run around. No thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 09:02:49 +0100 From: Sebastjan Videc To: email_address_removed Subject: Re:Bass Rigs Message-ID: <34FD0AA9.2472DEE0@uni-mb.si> Forget to mention that I didn't play the best RBX(2000 or what is the model number). The store didn't hold that one! So I may try this one out too! Take care S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:33:38 +0100 (MET) From: Adam Bodnar To: email_address_removed Subject: photos? Message-ID: Hey hi! I'm going to see Dream Theater in Munich next tuesday, and I'd like to know if it's possiblr to take photos on the concert. This would be my first DT-gig since I live in Hungary and they don't visit this country too often:). So what do you think? Will the guards kill me? o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o | "That Steve Vai, what a nice little boy!" | | Adam Bodnar | o-------------------------------------------------------------------------o ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 04:44:12 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'DT'" Subject: Disc for sale Message-ID: I have a disc that might be of interest to metalheads and/or Fates collectors. It's called Metallic Overdrive and is a Metal Blade sampler with cuts from Fates Warning, Artch, Lizzy Borden, Candlemass, Helstar, Heir Apparent, Sacred Reich, Anvil, Intruder, Viking, Heretic, and Masi. First $8 takes. Trevor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:22:38 -0500 From: Dan Senko To: Subject: Did someone say "Buy Satch?" Message-ID: <5040200012397640000002L002*@MHS> CDUniverse says they are having a sale now, but CDNow is definitely having a sale right now (thru 3/16 I think) - LTE for $11.99 and I figured it was a good time to pick up DWD for $8.49. Even with shipping $ but no tax, not a bad way to go if you don't have time to run around town looking for CDs (and can wait a bit since all three will ship together when LTE is released) Quantity Price Ship Date 1)JOE SATRIANI : CRYSTAL PLANET CD 1 11.88A *2)SAVATAGE : DEAD WINTER DEAD CD 1 9.49A *3)LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT : CD 1 12.99A Total # items: 3 Subtotal $ 34.36 Shipping and Handling $ 4.97 Sale Discount $ 2.00- Tax $ 0.00 * $1 sale discount TOTAL $ 37.33 DF Mo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:45:15 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: 7 Strings, bashing so hard I break pickup rings, and tendonitis - NDTC Message-ID: "Madsman" Ptacek wrote... >> couple of days, and while the seven strings were no problem - a little >> weird, but quite playable - the pickups sounded like crap, and the build >> quality was awful for a $1500 guitar, seven string or not. > > Here's the deal: The 7 string pickups on the UV's were designed to >attempt a flat response... this was because the people involved >didn't like how overwhelming the low B sounded with a juicy pickup. >Because of this, the stock IBZ pickups blow in the Universes. You >can accomodate this by dialing up a tone to compensate for it, but >what I plan to do is one of the following: Have my pickups rewound >to sound like a Duncan (yes it can be done, and for a reasonable >price), have Duncan custom make me some 7 string pickups (they will >do this for anyone, so no, I'm not special.. but they cost over $200 >per pickup), or get EMGs or Bartolini pickups. I have NEVER liked >DiMarzio pickups... Duncan's are way meatier. Wow. Chris and I agree on something AGAIN. And yeah, Duncan will make anything you want - if you're willing to pay for it. EMG actually makes a seven string width pickup, according to them, anyway. My real problem with the guitar wasn't the pickups - I'm used to stock pickup sucking compared to Duncans - but the build quality was shameful for an instrument that was that expensive. It felt like a $500 guitar that was $1500 because it had seven strings on it... Calvin wrote... >How many players play with a heavy hand and how many with a light hand? >There's a new technique tangent to go off on. Left or right? Sorry, one of my lackings is knowledge of technical terms. I'll answer for both: I use very light left hand, with medium string tension - bending occasionally gets interesting - and I smash the crap out of it with my right hand. :) Seriously, I pick very hard, but I *am* accurate... Mads wrote again... >> >The New UV777PBK Is the greatest in quality and finish. >> >> I haven't played the new one, but I haven't been impressed with any of >> the ones I've played. *sigh* I guess if I want one, I'll have to have >> one built, and since Ibanez is the only company currently making a seven >> string tremolo, I guess I'll have to pay the arm and the leg they want >> for it... > > You won't be impressed by the sound or feel... it's the same guitar, >with a different look. As for getting a 7 string trem, you MAY have >to buy a UV or RG7620 and take it off that, because at my last >attempt, they weren't selling them unless you snd them your defunct >7 string trem, to prove that you're not using it on another guitar. > I'm even more screwed over, because I can't even GET a replacement >trem if I want one for my UV. I have a prototype (Serial 000121) >with the Edge trem... not the Low Pro Edge (which I HATE HATE HATE!). >They won't even make these anymore, to my knowledge. Man, that Low Pro sucks - it reminds me of the crap Jackson was putting on their guitars in 88-89. I had heard that Ibanez was being difficult about selling the bridge pieces. At this point, it may be cheaper to just go to a machine shop and have them make one, using the Ibanez measurements and Floyd - style pieces. It's an idea... Anybody want to start a company? :) > And to those of you learning to shred now, make an effort to pick >entirely from the wrist, and not from a finger/thumb pivot (because >you will not get the speed you want) or from a lock-wrist position >because this can be damaging to your arm... tendonitis is not >something to toy with. If you already play lock wrist, it will be >hard to change to wrist-only picking (I did it) but it will be worth >it, because it makes it easier to articulate. If you can't or won't >switch, at least take measures to monitor and prevent your forearm >from turning into a block of wood. Agreed. An acquaintance of mine that was well on his way to being the next Paul Gilbert eight years ago or so has been in a battle with tendonitis, and later carpal tunnel syndrome, ever since then. He's an excellent player still, but had surgery a while back to relieve pressure on his wrists - he was tired of being in pain all of the time. Both myself and our other guitar player also have problems because we got tendonitis from typing, and I know it's affected my practicing. Listen to what your body tells you - if it hurts, stop! Mike Division - Yes, we're playing with Saxon on the 13th. But later, we get King Diamond (w/Andy LaRoque), so it's worth it... > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:46:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" To: email_address_removed Subject: Caliban / Satch questions Message-ID: from korg x3: >>Carta is releasing a CD from a band called "Caliban" on March 10 along with >>LTE. Has anyone ever heard of this band? >Caliban's Hour is a book written by Tad Williams. Pretty good book about a >guy who's mother gets exiled to a tropical island and that's where he grows >up. Eventually a wizard guy shows up with some hot daughter and Caliban >gets wood over her and I hate to spoil the book. It's rather good, kinduv >fantasy setting, but not really, sorta. I wonder if there's a connection? Caliban is actually a character in Shakespeare's "The Tempest," and many scholars agree that he's modelled after the old European view of the Cannibal. (See the connection, anagram-wise?) In the play, he's really mistreated and brutalized by the Europeans in it, but the reader eventually sees that he's human too, with emotions and feelings, just different. Kind of a social commentary about the aggressive expansion of Europe by ol' Will. OK, questions about the new Satch. I play bass, not guitar, and most "guitarist" albums don't appeal to me because of their one-dimensional style. I generally get bored with songs that are little more than vehicles for solos. Ignoring his incredible soloing, then, and expanding to a larger view, does the *music* stand on its own? I understand Stu Hamm plays on the album--does he play on all the tracks, or just one or two? The reviews seem really encouraging, enough that I am definitely leaniong towards buying it, but I do want to be sure that it's an album with appeal broader than just for the guitarist out there. --MATt ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3609 **************************