YTSEJAM Digest 3608 Today's Topics: 1) re: Paul Gilbert's Solo Album (joe stump) by AEllis1222 2) Savatage, Power of the night by DragynLMC3 3) Re: The names of some jams... by Michael Burstin 4) Re: Watchtower by KEZCOM 5) Demos by Loren 6) Drums and such by Tom Cox 7) Long Post by email_address_removed 8) Re: Lots'o'shit. Candlebox, BW vs. DT, Prog Search, AND "WORD OF THE DAY" by Angus53 9) Join The Crew by belhai 10) Re: Economy Picking by Calvin 6S 11) best buy and Savatage hopes by "Alex O'Connell" 12) Another post by email_address_removed 13) Re: DT in AUSTRALIA by graham boyle 14) Stuff and odd thoughts by WhoFooldU ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:35:57 EST From: AEllis1222 To: email_address_removed, email_address_removed Subject: re: Paul Gilbert's Solo Album (joe stump) Message-ID: <<>> Where did you get that video? I'm just curious. I hope you didn't overpay! (I sell both videos in a 2 tape set for $20.) Joe sent me the video's of the 2 shows from Mexico city, I personally liked the one in the dark club better. The other gig was in a well lit theater, but I thought it was lacking in certain areas. And actually, it wasn't really Joe's bass player. He was hired to do the 2 shows in Mexico because Joe's regular bass player couldn't make the trip. Jamie, Joe Stump's drummer told me that he was a "Greatful Dead type guy". No real surprise that he OD'ed. If you want the set-list from the video, e-mail me, and tell me which gig it was, and I'll send it to you. As for it being rare, it is, but not as rare as it used to be, since Joe gave it to me to sell thru the site! Art The Official Joe Stump Website http://www.joestump.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:37:05 EST From: DragynLMC3 To: email_address_removed Subject: Savatage, Power of the night Message-ID: Hi all! i recently bought this kickass cd and i was wondering if any of you would know where i could find the lyrics? thanks in advance! :} Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:37:47 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: The names of some jams... Message-ID: > From: Rogerio Brito > Subject: The names of some jams... > > Could you please let me know how you know the names of such > unreleased songs ("A Crack in the Mirror", "Puppies on Acid", > "Moonbubbles", "Barfbag")? I really have no clue as to why the song on > "Live in Tokyo" is "Moonbubbles" and that one on WDaTU and LitS is > "Barfbag"... > Wow, 2 days in a row w/ posts from me... something must be wrong... For the most part, the jams have been declared and labeled by someone in the band, in most cases, from radio shows (circulating around on tape) featuring members of the band. For instance, the "real" Barfbag was announced by MP on a radio show out in Calif (6/26/94) after he played it from a show in Switzerland (11/14/93) (the night before the Lost In The Sky show from Milan), and hence that has officially become Barfbag. I know I have some show or another where someone declares Moonbubbles, and pretty sure that similar confirmations have come for Puppies on Acid/Kittens on Crack (forget which came first). I am fairly sure that Moonbubbles is the instrumental from erarly in the I&W tour, heard on Home Sweet Home, forget whether that is the same on from LiT or not... -- +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | A daily dose of eMpTyV | Dream Theater | | will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity | | --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe --- | In Stores NOW!! | +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ Michael Burstin: email_address_removed Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:36:13 EST From: KEZCOM To: email_address_removed Cc: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Watchtower Message-ID: ]From YtseJam #3594: >From: "Ryan Good,WSUM Loud Rock Director" >To: email_address_removed >Subject: Atheist, Anacrusis, Cynic, Watchtower, Imperium >Message-ID: >Hey- >Anyone got info about any of the above personnel? I understand that >3) watchtower is back together? and writing? Not with the original lead singer, anyway. Jason McMaster, former singer for Watchtower(band is mentioned in credits on I&W and FatesWarning-Parallels) and Dangerous Toys, is currently with a new project called 'Godzilla Motor Company', which is being courted by Hammstien Management. Jason is doing bass and vox with 'Godzilla', as well as still writing and planning on recording with 'Toys'(bass and vox). Look for a 'Godzilla' disc in the semi-near future. The demo is done and sounds very good. Heavy stuff! Keep Jammin' Kez P.S. It's great to have the ole Jam back, huh guys and gals?! I got 8 or 9 just today. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 21:59:19 -0600 (CST) From: Loren To: email_address_removed Subject: Demos Message-ID: Well, I finally got all of those demos and took a long listen to them. And I can truly say............. I'M PISSED OFF!!!! Now I know what happens when damn producers, who don't know SHIT about music, do to songs when they get they're greedy little paws on them! I nearly cried after hearing the REAL TAMP. How could Mr. Shirley take that song and utterly destroy it? I mean, I could see it if he changed a couple of things here and there, but he ripped it APART! It's not even the same song. I think that this album would have been 200% better if the songs were left the way DT, not a non-DT member, wrote the songs. Especially a song that involves a dedication to JP's dead father!!!! I feel the same way about most of the other songs too. YNM, BMS, etc. And how could they leave songs like STM, TWiUTB, and CME??? I think STM is one of the best songs out of the FII sessions. Oh well..........just blowing off more steam about the album. I still love it, just pisses me off that the songs had to be massacered(sp?) so much. -Loren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 22:08:25 -0600 From: Tom Cox To: email_address_removed Subject: Drums and such Message-ID: > From: CLARK ABEL > I don't understand this part of the conversation. I definitely do the > economy picking thing; I pretty much always have, but how can you NOT do that > if the last pick stroke on one string goes in the same direction as the first > pick attack on the next string? It's exactly what you think, and at first, it does seem illogical, and impossible, but with practice it becomes easy as pie. You know, I never really thought about it, but it's almost a baffling concept that you can play a downstroke on one string, and then an upstroke on the next string, without accidentally hitting it while getting the pick into position... but it just naturally works. > of playing, so maybe that helps, but I have no problem maintaining an even > sounding articulation from note to note and from one string to the next when I > use this technique, which is one reason people have suggested that they don't > use it. It is considerably more noticable at medium tempos. 16th notes at 100-130BPM or so. Any guitarist should be able to control it below those tempos, and above those speeds, the goal is to play so fast that no one notices. :) But as I have said... as long as you're aware of the problem (the POSSIBILITY of the problem) then you should be able to hear it when it happens, and correct it. > isn't always possible, obviously, but I'm wondering: no matter how good your > alternate picking technique is, shouldn't you always be able to play that much > faster when you can sweep from one string to the next? In theory, yes, but it is a different sound, particularly for those of us who pick with a lot of force. I've spent the last few years putting a great deal of time into alternate picking on acoustic guitar, and to get a beautiful tone, you have to pick hard. That's carried over to my electric playing, and I seem to play with a lot more force now. Of course, I can still pick lightly if need be... :) > couple of days, and while the seven strings were no problem - a little > weird, but quite playable - the pickups sounded like crap, and the build > quality was awful for a $1500 guitar, seven string or not. Here's the deal: The 7 string pickups on the UV's were designed to attempt a flat response... this was because the people involved didn't like how overwhelming the low B sounded with a juicy pickup. Because of this, the stock IBZ pickups blow in the Universes. You can accomodate this by dialing up a tone to compensate for it, but what I plan to do is one of the following: Have my pickups rewound to sound like a Duncan (yes it can be done, and for a reasonable price), have Duncan custom make me some 7 string pickups (they will do this for anyone, so no, I'm not special.. but they cost over $200 per pickup), or get EMGs or Bartolini pickups. I have NEVER liked DiMarzio pickups... Duncan's are way meatier. > From: Calvin 6S > Okay, I made this statement and put it in all caps. I put a small > disclaimer however, which I will now expand on. DO NOT LEARN > THEORY FROM A GUITARIST isn't saying GUITARISTS CAN'T TEACH > THEORY WELL. Two totally different statements. Yes guitarists can teach > Music Theory. And a minority can teach it well. But because > guitarist tend to be more "self-taught" than most other instruments, > they also tend to interpret things incorrectly sometimes. This is where I take issue. You refer people to seek college level theory help... where should one go for this, naturally? To a college or university. No reputable university will employ a guitarist who is entirely self taught. If you're talking about your garden variety guitar teacher at "Monkey Joe's Music Shack" then I agree, you run a serious risk of being taught a messed up version of theory... but you're there to learn guitar, not music theory... he's there to teach guitar--not music theory. If you go to Monkey Joe and ask him for piano theory lessons, you will run the same risk of getting a fucked up concept of music theory. It has nothing to do with the player being a guitarist or a pianist or a monkey... they teach at a music shop because they are not qualified to teach at a higher institution. What them do you expect? > There are so many GUITARISTS out their who give lessons out there > that really don't know Music Theory that well, and definitely don't > understand the it's application. There are so many PIANISTS with the same problem. It isn't related to the instrument... it's related to the degree to which they pursued their own music education. > Get the picture? Can you disagree? If anyone CAN, I will. :) "Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:42:53 EST From: Angus53 To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Lots'o'shit. Candlebox, BW vs. DT, Prog Search, AND "WORD OF THE DAY" Message-ID: First of all, I won tickets to see Candlebox at Mid Hudson Civic Center about three years ago, and it was fuckin terrible. The two opening acts blew them away. I think it was Sweet Water and the Flaming Lips. The music wasn't that great, but they couldn't have sounded any better on their albums then they did live. They knew how to perform. Candlebox is one of those bands that had a big album then disappeared. They're up on the shelf with bands like the Fine Young Canibles and Saigon Kick. As for their second album "Lucy", its one of like 30 CDs that I have that I never even took out of the case. I just got them so they can rot I suppose. I don't know who it was that posted the DJ in NYC talking about Big Wreck and DT and how BW was better and some shit. What the fuck is that? I saw that show in Plainveiw, and I saw the one in Poughkeepsie. They didn't really impress me in Poug, but in Plainveiw, BW was really good. But, (and thats a big ol' fukin BUT), but, they did not come close, to DT. There is no discussion on that. That asshole must have had the band names mixed up. I went to the mall today in search of Shadow Gallery, Royal Hunt and Fates Warning (none of which are in my possesion at this time). I found a lot of Savatage which I have heard mentioned once or twice. Too many to buy at one time, and I didn't know which were good. There was a lot of their shit from the 80's that caught my eye cause of the $8.99 mark down on all of them. And there were a couple new ones. Could someone tell me which ones to get. I didn't find anything I was looking for, so I got frustrated. And when I get frustrated in a music store I go nuts. Luckily I only walked out with the latest Queensryche, Faith no More's Angel Dust and King for a Day. They're pretty good. I wasn't disappointed. There was one more thing, oh yah, WORD OF THE DAY : SATCH Later.... Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 23:07:46 -0500 (EST) From: belhai To: Dream Theater Subject: Join The Crew Message-ID: Hey folks--I've been off the jam for about a month now, but I thought you musicians out there would appreciate this. Sorry if this has been sent to the jam already. I'm re-subbing in about a week so I'll see you then. - Brandon ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >MUSICAL VIRUS WARNING!!! > >If someone tries to teach you a tune called "Join The Crew", cover your ears >and don't listen to them at all costs. This is not a traditional jig or reel, >but a Balkan Virus in 13/8 time whose deceptive counter-Celtic rhythms will >erase all tunes in your memory and the memory of anyone who hears it and >replace them with a random excerpt from "Your Pets Can Sing 2". Please send >this message to as many musicians as you can. This is a new virus and is >unknown to most people. There have been reports from at least 42 cities >worldwide of sessions that have been ravaged by this virus, and up to 300 >former session musicians are now only able to look at their instruments >helplessly while saying "woof, oink, quack" in a vaguely musical manner. > >Also, if you receive a tape or CD entitled "Penpal Greetings", throw it out >and DON'T LISTEN TO IT!!! This is a warning for all music lovers. The album >appears to be traditional in nature, but by the time you listen to it, it is >too late. The "Trojan Horse" virus will have infected the boot sector of your >CD or tape player. It is a self-replicating virus, and once the CD or tape >has been played, it will automatically attatch itself to any other CD or tape >you play. The virus will overwrite all of your music and replace it with a >random 5 second excerpt from Snoop Doggy Dog's latest album, that will repeat >continuously for the length of the CD or tape. This virus can be passed >easily by simply lending a tape or CD to a friend, and has the potential to >completely destroy all the CD's and tapes in the world. ========================================================================== This message was posted through the Stanford campus mailing list server. If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing list, send the message body of "unsubscribe columbae" to email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:51:39 EST From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Economy Picking Message-ID: "Aaron High" mumbled: >Pick up your guitar, play two notes on adjacent strings. First play them >w/ 2 downstrokes, then with >an upstroke and downstroke. Notice a difference in sound? Knowing how to >pick both ways will enhance >your skills (as does being fluent with ANY possible guitar technique). >Yes, economy picking will make it easier to play a passage of flurried >notes. But always remember, >you get what you pay for. So economy picking produces an inferior tone? How hard do you pick? Do you hold your pick at a massive angle? If you're hearing a difference in you downstroke and upstroke, then you need to reasses your picking technique! If you would have mentioned playing diads and higher note combos give a different tone when you upstroke and downstroke, I would have agreed. But your talking about single note lines, while changing strings no less. The notes should sound different only when you want them to. The effect your describing comes from holding the pick at an angle. Sure it allows you to "cut" through the strings faster, but you have to realize that the strings should almost not be felt unless you are going for a heavier dynamic. And that usually comes more from palm muting pressure. If you have truly mastered economy and alternate picking, then your to be commended. But if your upstroke sounds different than your downstroke without you wanting it too, then it's called square one. The quality of the notes should always be stressed over speed. I would rather be 20 bpm slower than the next guy if the next guy sounds like his notes are screaming for mercy. How many players play with a heavy hand and how many with a light hand? There's a new technique tangent to go off on. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 23:56:42 -0500 From: "Alex O'Connell" To: email_address_removed Subject: best buy and Savatage hopes Message-ID: DAMN there have been a lot of ytsejams today...oh well, homework and midterms be damned. Justin speaketh: > Don't give up on Best Buy, one day you may go in there and they >will have nothing worth a shit, but then the next day you go in, and >they have all kinds of stuff you never would have thought they would >carry. I recently discovered the Mercyful Fate and King Diamond >remasters at a Best Buy near me!!!! It is also where I finally found >Savatage's Power of the Night. I have gotten so many contradictory things on Best Buy in the last DAY, that I am going crazy. It is bad, it isn't, it's only bad on certain days...AHHHH!! I have enough problems making up my own mind about things as it is, this is madness. In any case, I will go for the sometimes/never bad view simply for the hope that it offers me. Radio is depressing, and CD stores just make me very angry. Alex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:15:29 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Another post Message-ID: > From: CLARK ABEL > Well, no one has responded to my question about economy picking vs. > straight alternate picking from earlier, so let me ask another question that > probably no one will answer: When you straight alternate pick, do you actually > 'run around the car' every time you go to a new string, even if you don't > need to? Just to maintain the up-down picking pattern? Exactly. It's not about "Not having to" but rather the exact opposite. If you consider what alternating means, you of course see that we're talking about switching back and forth. To alternate pick things, you have to strictly pick up and down, not down down up, or up down down or whatever. Even some MASTER PICKING FREAKBALLS like DiMeola will occaisionally abstract for the more difficult motions, but he doesn't go to economy picking... he goes to the sort of "bouncing picking" that Eric Johnson does... he'll play 3 down strokes in a row, but not sweeping... it's 3 seperate motions, instead of one sweeping motion. These same passages are played by Morse strictly alternate picking. Incidentally, Morse identifies the most difficult alternate picking motion (for him) as one note per string lines, with consecutive upstrokes on the 2nd string, and downstrokes on the 1st string (play F# on the second string, and A on the first... F#-A-F#-A-F#-A etc). > before. So do people actually do this? You'll find that most shredders swear by this, and only are starting to accept economy picking as its equal, probably because they feel that you should have to put as much work in as they did. :) > >The New UV777PBK Is the greatest in quality and finish. > > I haven't played the new one, but I haven't been impressed with any of > the ones I've played. *sigh* I guess if I want one, I'll have to have > one built, and since Ibanez is the only company currently making a seven > string tremolo, I guess I'll have to pay the arm and the leg they want > for it... You won't be impressed by the sound or feel... it's the same guitar, with a different look. As for getting a 7 string trem, you MAY have to buy a UV or RG7620 and take it off that, because at my last attempt, they weren't selling them unless you snd them your defunct 7 string trem, to prove that you're not using it on another guitar. I'm even more screwed over, because I can't even GET a replacement trem if I want one for my UV. I have a prototype (Serial 000121) with the Edge trem... not the Low Pro Edge (which I HATE HATE HATE!). They won't even make these anymore, to my knowledge. > I M I M I M I M I M I M The bassists I know call this alternate picking, even though it's done pizz. > I M I I M I I M I I M I They (my buds) call this raking. They say it's the worst thing you can do to yourself (to become dependent on it). I kind of think that the problems this causes can probably be overcome by a patient bassist, just as the economy picking problem (in essense, the exact same problem) can be. Just pay attention to your timing, really. > It is not associated w/ dramatic changes in sound as alternate vs. > economy picking on guitar, but I feel it does effect timing. And ease, and speed. But in bass, almost EVERY tech head considers this "cheating." :) Incidentally, I'm curious if economy picking poses problems for you guys (and gals) when you start a lick on an upstroke? What about for accenting? Can you always noticably accent every 4th 16th note? What about accenting the notes that occur in offbeats? I would think this would be more problematic when you aren't using a standardized motion. And to those of you learning to shred now, make an effort to pick entirely from the wrist, and not from a finger/thumb pivot (because you will not get the speed you want) or from a lock-wrist position because this can be damaging to your arm... tendonitis is not something to toy with. If you already play lock wrist, it will be hard to change to wrist-only picking (I did it) but it will be worth it, because it makes it easier to articulate. If you can't or won't switch, at least take measures to monitor and prevent your forearm from turning into a block of wood. "Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 17:10:34 +1100 From: graham boyle To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: DT in AUSTRALIA Message-ID: Paul Matthews wrote: > Last time I was reading this stuff, it was being rumoured that DT was > going to tour Australia. Have they been and gone or is it still a > rumour??? Can somebody please fill me in? According to DT Aussie label they are looking at April/May for a possible tour here. Yes they are supposed to be coming, but seeing is believing :) graham ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 01:20:51 EST From: WhoFooldU To: email_address_removed Subject: Stuff and odd thoughts Message-ID: I wanted to thank everyone for the support of the Lost In the Sky boot. I know Lords of Sound in no way lives up to Lost, but I had a copy to sell. I thought I'd throw this out as well, sort of an after thought. If any one has a copy of the 2cd Uncovered show from the Ronnie Scott's gig, I would trade Lost in the Sky for it. It's a long shot, but what the hell. As far as the great Yngwie debate, count me out. Don't want to go there. And no I don't have an Yngwie boot to sell either. However if someone wants my Rising Force '85 Video, that's a different story. Headbanger's ball....Didn't Rikki have a different favorite band every week or was that my imagination?? Come to think of it, Rikki should have stuck to what he supposedly known best...Running his bar versus his mouth. He didn't do his homework on many an interview. And then there was Superrock and then silence as MTV continued to sprial into the suck-zone. MTV it at one point stood for Music Television, but how many pathetic shows it air versus the number of videos that it plays. Ugh. New album that deserves a spin...Union...the new John Corabi (ex-Motley Crue and Scream) and Bruce Kulick (ex-Kiss, Good Rats, Blackjack). An excellent effort to keep the metal faith alive. That be all for now. Glenn ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3608 **************************