YTSEJAM Digest 3603 Today's Topics: 1) Triangle by Steve Zebrowski 2) Re: Guitars by Robban 3) CYNIC by Joe Marshaleck 4) That's Amore. by Phil Carter 5) Re: Plectronimus by CLARK ABEL 6) School or Lessons, or Home Study, or Osmosis... by email_address_removed 7) Re: School or Lessons, or Home Study, or Osmosis... by "Christopher R. Merlo" 8) Re: Drummers instrument thread by "Christopher R. Merlo" 9) Re: Drummers instrument thread by "Christopher R. Merlo" 10) Guitars and Shredding... by "Blevins, Mike" 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3602 by The iban 12) Phalling Into Infinity by Lobsterback 13) Big Wreck by Chris Bowsman 14) drums, assorted stuff.Some DTC. by "Ville Rassi" 15) Candlebox by "Daniel Alexandre Bonatti" 16) Re: CYNIC by Rogerio Brito 17) Re: Candlebox by Al Balkiewicz 18) New Joe by Eric Desobe 19) Re: Magna Carta by Damon Fibraio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:22:40 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Zebrowski To: email_address_removed Subject: Triangle Message-ID: Saith Vince about the rigs request: > Ooooh, bad idea :) There's at least 200 guitarists on this list, and 100 > bassists or so. Everybody and their left-nut sister is gonna post their > rigs :) Actually, I'm loving it. I always have loved all the gearheads and their technobabble. I recently found that I scored highly in Guitar magazine's "What's you gear IQ . I didn't do as well in Guitar Shop's similar quiz, but they had questions like "what was the first year Gibson put PAF pickups in their Les Pauls?" Who cares!?!?!? Les Pauls suck! :) > Also, let's not forget how bored the non-musicians are gonna be. People > who just listen to the music and aren't _musically_ inclined (you > know...like drummers and techies and the guys in the back of the orchestra > with the triangle :) are gonna get bored with this real quick. I'm a singer now, but back when I was a MUSICIAN I played the trumpet in my elementary school band . In one piece we played we had a triangle part that never seemed to come in at the right time. I kept yelling at the guy who was supposed to play it; i.e. I kept turning around and cueing him, but still he would miss it. Finally he said, "if you're so smart, YOU play it!" Not one to back down from a challenge, I took the triangle and beater-thingie, took off a shoelace and with it affixed the triangle to my trumpet. When the time came, I used my left hand to do the necessary accents on the triangle. My band instructo wouldn't let me do it in performance though. :/ Steve Z ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 17:49:46 +0100 From: Robban To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Guitars Message-ID: <34FC34A9.6D79@swipnet.se> Chris Bowsman wrote: >what kinda guitars, amps, effects, strings, picks, etc...does everybody >here use? OK if you want to know i Use: Ibanez JEM 555 with daddario strings 0.09-0.46 always in regular tuning. Kawaii Aquarius Guitar with=20 daddario strings 0.09-0.48 in open Eb open D drop D or drop C tuning. I use a Marshall valvestate 80 watts combo. The effect i use is a Rocktec chorus, George Dennis Tremolo-volume, boss octaver and a ordinary cry-baby. I thougt of getting a Digitech wammy pedal. But it wasn=B4t so good on the things i wanted it to be. The new project is to get a 7-stringed guitar which I always have wanted. But guitars are expensive here in Sweden i payed 14000 swedish kronor for my Ibanez which is about 1800 american dollars. Tune in turn on drop out!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 11:59:53 EST From: Joe Marshaleck To: Subject: CYNIC Message-ID: does anyone out there like CYNIC? i am really in to them. I am wondering if and when a new album will be coming out. Please let me know. -joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:03:55 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Carter To: Under a Glass Ytse Subject: That's Amore. Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... Matt remarked: > "When the Moon hits you in the eye like a bigga pizza pie...that hurtsa > lika hell...." ..and when you swim inna da sea, and an eel bites-a you knee....that's a moray... feeling weird, Phil ===================================================================== Phil Carter -- email_address_removed (work), email_address_removed (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach Currently playing: Joe Satriani -- "Time Machine" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 12:04:26 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Plectronimus Message-ID: >and everything else, I was lead to believe it's all strictly >alternate picking (Zero Economy picking). I don't understand this part of the conversation. I definitely do the economy picking thing; I pretty much always have, but how can you NOT do that if the last pick stroke on one string goes in the same direction as the first pick attack on the next string? For those of you who say you do strict alternate picking, do you actually stop your arm or hand (whichever you pick with) somehow between strings? Like if you're just playing a standard mode shape up and down the scale with three notes to a string, or any odd number of notes to a string (assumming you keep moving in the same direction up or down the strings), do you still not use one motion to go from one string to the next? If so, how does that work? Does your hand just stop for a split second between the strings? I've logged a lot of fairly rigorous metronome time in my 3 1/2 years of playing, so maybe that helps, but I have no problem maintaining an even sounding articulation from note to note and from one string to the next when I use this technique, which is one reason people have suggested that they don't use it. I also do a lot of chromatic exercises with the metronome, obviously with four notes to a string, so then I have to "run around the car" so to speak, but if I tried to play a mode with "strict alternate picking" I honestly wouldn't know how to do it. And yes, I can accurately play those modes about 15-20 bpm faster than I can accurately play a chromatic scale because of the hand-motion economy factor, but I have always fancied that that was not a limitation of my alternate picking technique but just an advantage to arranging notes in such a way as to keep pick strokes going in the same direction. This isn't always possible, obviously, but I'm wondering: no matter how good your alternate picking technique is, shouldn't you always be able to play that much faster when you can sweep from one string to the next? I'm not asking as a challenge, I'm asking because I don't understand what you guys are talking about when you say you don't do this. Um, this looks pretty unoffensive, but since I'm responding to one of Chris' posts I'll just point out that in no way is this intended to be a flame, so if I offended you, SCREW OFF! or something. -Clark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:36:47 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: School or Lessons, or Home Study, or Osmosis... Message-ID: Hey dudes, Here's my take: If you have buddies who have very good technique, then you don't need lessons right away. The toughest thing in the beginning is not memorization... it's getting your hands to do what you want them to. I tried playing left handed to see how this felt... to see if it could bring back that dexterity problem, so I could remember what it was like... and it was a nightmare! Hahahah! My Girlfriend was making fun of me! I picked like a retarded chimpanzee. School for guitar depends ENTIRELY on where you go. Generally, outside of classical, you have to work on your technique on your own. They won't tell you how to shred. There's no magic key you can get to automatically make you shred. I think the rule is, if you have friends who you can learn from, start with that... if you find a good guitar teacher (don't just assume he knows how to play... do some research) move on to that, and then if you plan to play music for a living, at least TRY school, because you WILL NOT master theory on your own. You won't MAKE yourself work with a book until your eyes bleed... but getting a good grade may motivate you to do so. The benefit of school over lessons is that you usually get a more thorough education. I think Calvin made an awfully dangerous generalization when he knocked guitarists teaching theory... at a UNIVERSITY (not at MI, or AIM or schools based on practical playing) most of the guitar teachers are qualified to teach you theory. Here at NIU, we have Fareed Haque (http://www.fareed.com) who is a master jazz guitarist, as well as an award winning master classical guitarist (and he's played with everyone... he's on Sting's Soul Cages, for God's sake)... he's at least as schooled a musician as anyone I can think of. It doesn't matter what instrument your theory teacher specializes in, as long as he or she has an understanding of how it should be taught. "Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 12:53:31 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: School or Lessons, or Home Study, or Osmosis... Message-ID: > My Girlfriend was making fun of me! I picked like a retarded > chimpanzee. This introduced a whole host of mental images that I did not need right after lunch. Thanks, Chris. :) -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 12:55:04 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Drummers instrument thread Message-ID: So, do you live *in* Richmond, or (hopefully :) somewhere between there and Williamsburg? I've been looking for a drummer down here. If you don't live prohibitively far away, we should try getting together sometime. -Chris ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 13:06:33 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Drummers instrument thread Message-ID: > > So, do you live *in* Richmond, or (hopefully :) somewhere between there and > Williamsburg? I've been looking for a drummer down here. If you don't live > prohibitively far away, we should try getting together sometime. As Keith Olbermann would say, "Geh!" Well, I think everyone's allowed one accidental private mail posted to the Jam. :) -d ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:18:28 -0500 From: "Blevins, Mike" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Guitars and Shredding... Message-ID: >>by the way...is there anybody out there besides me who >>does NOT play an ibanez guitar? >I don't, I play a Charvel guitar, I bought it used so I don't know the >exact model, but it's black (what else) and has one active humbucker and >two passive singlecoils... And, as I mentioned in my JP clinic review, it's >signed by John Petrucci :=) > I believe I play in the only unsigned heavy metal band left on the planet that has no members that play Ibanez. We do, however, play Jackson (Matt), Zion (Me), and Warwick (Dan). We ruin it, however, by having a drummer that plays Tama (Hoshino, same parent company as Ibanez, I believe.) I personally have owned several RG series guitars, and sold all of them. I also recently got to play a Universe for a couple of days, and while the seven strings were no problem - a little weird, but quite playable - the pickups sounded like crap, and the build quality was awful for a $1500 guitar, seven string or not. I always found it interesting that almost none of Ibanez's endorsers play one of their standard models - they either have their own model, or have something built for them. Not that I'm knocking the guitars - they're pretty good, for the money, I just don't like them. Now to subject jump a bit - As far as pure "shredding" goes, I generally find it boring. Michael Angelo puts me to sleep, as does Impalitteri. Michael Romeo actually comes dangerously close, at times, but I like his riffs a lot more than the other two. In terms of absolute ripping, Neil ZaZa was the most impressive guy I've ever seen - he'd do sweeps where he was flipping his hand over the neck, alternating back and forth, and hitting them cleanly. It looked great, but it sounded like a guy ripping arpeggios. Yawn. Dunlop Jazz III's seem to be the pick of choice. I personally can't stand the damn things - I use the regular Dunlop Tortex 1.00mm's. They work a lot better for me, despite the increased mass, because I pick REALLY hard. I also think it's interesting that Yngwie uses what are essentially Fender mediums. I guess it's whatever makes you comfortable, but I like a little "give" in the pick. Then again, I'm not exactly a shred player anymore - Division doesn't require it, and it took a lot a practicing for me to keep my chops at that level. I'm just lazy, I guess. :) For some slight DT content, the NoVA/MD types will probably like to know that DT is supposed to come back to Jaxx at some point, dates as yet unconfirmed. While it may be small, the sound certainly makes it worth dealing with the crowd... Mike Division - Playing with (gulp) Saxon on the 13th. Yes, I thought they were dead, too... :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:21:20 EST From: The iban To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3602 Message-ID: << Hell, use the dash, shifter, window, mirror, ...person in passenger seat works GREAT for a china cymbol !! :) Tip: keep an unsharpened pencil handy for car drumming !!! Eraser end works great !! Zildjian >> when i had a girlfriend i used to use her head for a ride, usually used a straw for the right and drum stick too... hmm.. i wonder why she left me.. Rocky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 13:39:27 -0500 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: Phalling Into Infinity Message-ID: > P.S : Am I the only synth player in da list ?!?! I see lots of guitar > players, but no one writes about keyboards... :( It has something to do with the bizarre phallic-connections of guitar and guitarist. More competition, insecurity, whatever you want to call it... All in jest, good folk. Brian "Keyboardist Without A Keyboard" Henderson =========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 14:00:30 -0500 From: Chris Bowsman To: email_address_removed Subject: Big Wreck Message-ID: What the fuck is up with bashing Big Wreck? I can understand being pissed off that a dj was blasting Dream Theater, but I have to say that Big Wreck is a great fucking band. By the way....any Mr. Bungle fans out there? chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 10:58:30 PST From: "Ville Rassi" To: email_address_removed Subject: drums, assorted stuff.Some DTC. Message-ID: >I play Pearl Export drums and Sabian cymbals exclusively. Promark 2B >sticks, DW pedals and Gibraltar rack and hardware. >Come on drummers sound off!! That is what we do best isn't it? I play Tama and Mapex drums.8" 10" 12" and 14" toms and a 22" bass drum.Series is rockstar DX.My snare is a 7x14 Maple Deluxe by Mapex.Got it used by 200$.It was only a year old and in excellent condition.My cymbals are by Sabian. 8" AAX Splash 10" AAX Splash 17"AAX Stage Crash 18"AA Medium Thin Crash 18"Hand Hammered China and a 20" Hand Hammered Rock Ride.I also use a Pearl p202-double pedal an LP tambourine and Vic Firth Sticks.I think my next purchase will be octobans(high set). DT is playing in Finland tomorrow!!!I can´t wait for my first ever DT live experience!I´m mildly pissed off because couldn´t make it to Petrucci´s and Portnoy´s clinics.Oh well...Hoping to see many fellow jammers there.I´ll be wearing black jeans and an Awake-T shirt.Just look me up in the front row. :-) Feeling happy, -Vilzu- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:00:39 -0300 From: "Daniel Alexandre Bonatti" To: Subject: Candlebox Message-ID: What happened to Candlebox? Their first CD "Candlebox" rocks!!! High quality stuff!!! Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:07:31 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: CYNIC Message-ID: On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Joe Marshaleck wrote: > does anyone out there like CYNIC? i am really in to them. I am > wondering if and when a new album will be coming out. Please let me > know. I have the only and last album of theirs (meaning that they've disbanded long ago) and I really can't get past those electronic vocals. The music is interesting, but if it consisted only of death metal vocals/growls, I think that it would be much easier to digest. Of course, many would tell me: "hey, if there were only death growls, the album wouldn't be so unique blah, blah, blah" Ha Ha Ha I really think that the album has enough elements to be unique without those annoying roboto vocals. Since I know nothing about music technique or theory, I can, at most, summarize my opinions basically to "thumbs up" or "thumbs down". Despite the vocals, this album is "thumbs up". > -joe []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:13:27 -0500 (EST) From: Al Balkiewicz To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Candlebox Message-ID: heh, I can't believe I'm actually replying to this, but I kinda agree with him. Candlebox was definitely a decent band. Unfortunately, they hit the classic spell that has befallen alot of groups that do well with an album. They released a second album, called "Lucy", which was also very good (not as good a the first), released one single off of it, which did nothing, and basically fell off the face of the earth, as far as I know. A shame, because they were a good band, too.....apparently, though, they were not very good live, and the singer sucked live (forgetting lyrics and shtuff like that..........) -Al On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, Daniel Alexandre Bonatti wrote: > > What happened to Candlebox? Their first CD "Candlebox" rocks!!! High > quality stuff!!! > > Dan > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Her mouth is a soft explosion of roses A burst of raw animal definition For a few moments I was mortal......... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= email_address_removed OR email_address_removed OR email_address_removed HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:20:14 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Desobe To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: New Joe Message-ID: Kicks ass. Oh man, by far his best effort. Very intelligent piece of musicianship. Stu and Jeff are excellent as well, the synergy is there. Also, the packaging is smooth and incredibly professional. Joe may in fact be the coolest guy on the (crystal) planet right now. Go check it out. Take the time. -Eric ps there are little riffs from old songs (esp. from Time Machine) all over this thing which makes experience even better for the hardcore fans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:38:42 -0500 (EST) From: Damon Fibraio To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Magna Carta Message-ID: I was told that Magna Carta CDS were distributed in my local record shop, Vintage Vinyl in Fords, NJ, if anybody goes there. I haven't found much. I know Tower holds them, Tower holds everything. But, unless you live in the city, you're not near a Tower. -- Damon Fibraio, email_address_removed Keyboards, vocals, musical slut I'll play for money. Enquire if interested. "One likes to believe in the freedom of music, but glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, Spirit of Radio, 1980 ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3603 **************************