YTSEJAM Digest 3601 Today's Topics: 1) Magna Carta by Echomanyyz 2) Attn DC 'Jammers by Lobsterback 3) Megadeth by "Alex O'Connell" 4) Winter Rose by "Alex O'Connell" 5) Oooooops by K I L L M A R Y 6) Plectronimus by email_address_removed 7) SDV Sheet Music by Christopher Bellardine 8) by Bernardo Pulgar 9) To School or not to School? by Calvin 6S 10) To School or not to School (continued) by Calvin 6S 11) LTE release by Calvin 6S 12) Re: To School or not to School by "Vincent G. LuPone" 13) NEW SNATCHRIANI ROCKS!!! by Eckie 14) Mark M is Cartman by "Trevor W. Hoit" 15) My first Stratovarius album by Dominique De Jesus Oliveira 16) OpenGL, removing hidden lines, bass guitar, strings, DT by Sebastjan Videc 17) G3 - '98 European tour by Yakov Kouznetsov 18) Ramblings by "Ollila Marko" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:15:57 EST From: Echomanyyz To: email_address_removed Subject: Magna Carta Message-ID: I was looking at the new release section at www.billboard.com and they said that Explorers Club: Age of Impact will be released on April 28. Also, Magna Carta is releasing a CD from a band called "Caliban" on March 10 along with LTE. Has anyone ever heard of this band? P.S. If you are looking for Magna Carta CDs in stores, try Tower Records. My local Tower Records has pretty much all the Magna Carta CDs. -Ian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 00:30:17 -0500 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: Attn DC 'Jammers Message-ID: Two concerts coming up which may be of interest, both at the Birchmere, in Alexandria, VA: 04/15 Bruford - Levin Upper Extremeties 04/22 Steve Morse Band Hopefully, I'll be going to both. If I can scrounge up the dough, anyhow. Brian "Pauper" Henderson =========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 00:36:20 -0500 From: "Alex O'Connell" To: email_address_removed Subject: Megadeth Message-ID: Angus53 sayeth: >I must agree with you that Cryptic Writings is one of their better albums. I >have the 4 that you mentioned, plus So far so good so what, Rust In Peace, and >Peace Sells Whos Bying. Although Rust in Peace is My all time favorite >Megadeth album, CW is a close second. Very close. >Later Yo, I have been hunting after CW for the longest time, I feel so deprived!! Don't have nearly as much Megadeth as I would wish for. AHHHHH! -A ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 00:40:13 -0500 From: "Alex O'Connell" To: email_address_removed Subject: Winter Rose Message-ID: Chuck B sayeth: >hello all! >a few jams ago, somebody wrote that kjlb's former band winter rose >rereleased their album, and gave a short review. I liked what it >said, and decided to try to find the album. It's GOOD. A fellow Jammer (you know who you are, God bless you!) sent me a mix with some of their stuff...I highly recommend it. Great tunes. I am humming them now. Hmmmmmmm later, Alex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:56:28 -0500 (EST) From: K I L L M A R Y To: email_address_removed Subject: Oooooops Message-ID: >>Concept has split up. Bummer. I love the band, I thought Flow was a kickass >>CD, the other CDs were cool as hell too. Good songwriters. Singer Khan is > >That would be... ConcepTION... :) Hehehe. Thanks Mosh! >All guitarists should try playing in the rain once... maybe we'll be rid >of more of them ego maniacs ;) If you got those little pignose amps that work with a battery, why not? ;) As for Age of Impact... I had heard about it but I was under the impression that this project that Billy Sheehan was talking about was something completely different. Billy knows way less about the whole thing than people here in the jam, I guess :-) Vinnie Poo: > Ooooh, bad idea :) There's at least 200 guitarists on this list, and Yeah, but 195 play Ibanez guitars! >Dude, this may be the case, but I'm willing to bet that this will NEVER >happen. Legalize Marijuana OR sign a progmetal band to a major label. > >Anyone wanna bet which will happen first? I believe Angra could be signed to a major label. Didn't DT get a big ass budget to record in the same studio Aerosmith just recorded right before, with the most sought-after producer of the last year or so? >Smoke 'em if ya got 'em! >--KorgX3 I always thought KorgX3 was one of the funniest guys in here, but now he just topped himself :-) NP: Gary Willis - No Sweat. The guy is INSANE. I think I'm gonna rip the frets off one of my basses :-) This presentation has been brought to you by KillMary, who reminds you to participate in the lives of guitarists and other forms of wankers, and by Dunlop Jazz III picks, who remind you that picks aren't dicks and plectrums aren't rectums. Christian. ____ ____ ____ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ / / /\/ /\/ /\\ /\ /__/ / / \/ \__/ / / /___/ /___/ \\/ \____ /\ \ / / / \/ / / / / /\ \ // \ / / \ / / / / / / / / \___\// / / / / / /__ /__ / / / / / /\ / / / \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / \___\_\_\__\\__\__\___\_\___\_\___\_\__\__/ / \_________________________________________/ "Kill her. That's all you have to do." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:24:49 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Plectronimus Message-ID: > From: "KorgX3" > Subject: Take that p and rotate it 180 degrees! ROFLMAO You would come up with that, Chuck! > From: Pat Sullivan > Maybe it's because I don't play guitar, but to me, the fast runs you point > out here are the buildups, and the actual "punch" comes on the held note > that comes at the end of each one of those runs. Indeed this is different from a musician's point of view, because the last note of the fast lick is the sustained note that you refer to. Just because you're going to hold it for longer doesn't mean you don't have to get to it just as fast. If you look at it from the perspective of an instrument playing "lines," the fast lick ends after the first slow note. But I guess even from your standpoint, the build up is more important than the release. You can't pee in a cup if you don't stock up some juice. :) > And, though it may be blasphemous to say so, I think on portions of this > song the "ambient" music (the bass, keys, and "noises" in the back) plays > more of a role in establishing the emotional level of the song than the > lead does, and at least one of those times is during a shred run. Oh, no dude, I absolutely have to agree with you. A lot of guys might not, but I don't want anyone to get the impression that all I listen to is the guitar part. If that was the case, how could I listen to classical music, or trance music? I tend to focus on the melody until I understand it, and then focus on the background until I understand it, and then FINALLY I look at the big picture. Of course, sometimes the melody is in the chord progression, so sometimes I HAVE to look at the background first. > run. Plus, the method of Steve Morse ( I call it economy picking) is much > more...well, economical to your right hand, as you are not moving about so much and > can get a lot more done with a minimal movement. Because you're been at it for longer than I have, and because I love your playing, I will assume that I'm wrong on this, but I could have SWORN... I would have sworn on my prototype Universe, that Steve Morse is absolutely strict alternate picking. I've been to 3 Morse concerts and 3 clinics, and seen his videos and have all of his non Dregs albums (and several of the Dregs albums) and from interviews and everything else, I was lead to believe it's all strictly alternate picking (Zero Economy picking). In fact, the editor's notes in the transcription to Tumeni Notes says "This sounds like sweep picking, but it's actually all alternate picked" or something to that effect... and if he alternate picks 1 note per string passages, I find it unlikely that he'd use economy techniques when they're not necessary. Also, when you watch his right hand, don't you see all that movement? He has a bad position for picking, that prevents him (in his own words at the most recent clinic) from reaching speeds that some other shredders reach, but gives him a great deal of help when doing the one note per string stuff where he has to bounce around a lot. Brett Garsed, Joe Stump, Frank Gambale, Greg Howe, and numerous other supershredders use economy forms (along with alternate picking) but I didn't think that Morse did. I guess the easy way to find out will be on the next tour or the next clinic! "Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 98 1:30:12 EST From: Christopher Bellardine To: email_address_removed Subject: SDV Sheet Music Message-ID: Hello, could someone tell me where I could find the sheet music for Wait for Sleep and Space Dye Vest. I am a novice keyboard player determined to learn these songs. It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 22:37:04 -0800 (PST) From: Bernardo Pulgar To: email_address_removed Message-ID: Hi. Is anyone from this list going to be at the Australian Formula 1 Grand Prix in Melbourne this weekend (from 5th. to 8th of March)? If anyone goes, we could meet. I'm going to be at the Senna Stand, very close to curve # 16. This is my 1st. Grand Prix EVER - YESSSSSSSSS! I hope McLaren-Mercedes wins ;) Cheers! BP No Signature! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 02:22:08 EST From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: To School or not to School? Message-ID: Eckie said: >The best help I've found is from your own personal research, pick out what >elements of guitar facsinate you I agree 100%. There is so much information out there that if you are motivated enough to find it (you almost have to be the Unabomber in a shack not to find it) you can teach yourself. If your a lazy guy, you better help you are just very, very gifted at guitar. I have seen guitarist that are very lazy, but can still play very well. So, I would say just teach yourself, but don't take anything as a RULE. If you struggle with it for weeks on end, it may not be right for you (or you aren't trying hard enough). Eckie has probably not only advanced incredibly in the two years he has been playing guitar, but sounds very mature on guitar technique philosophy as well. Eckie then states: >Hanging out with local talents (I mean guitarists who play something other than >Nirvana and Blink 666), jamming with them, and learning from them. That is part two of getting good. Playing out (or atleast out of your bedroom) is very motivating. Nothing is a greater motivator than the fear of possibly blowing chunks in front of other guitarist you respect. Trust me, it makes it a lot easier to practice that extra hour if you are going to play with some musician's the next day. I did go to MI, so I did pay for lessons (so to speak). But I would have to say that I learned more from jamming with other players and going to the media library and checking out everything of interest than I did by going to the classes. So it was more that I was in a place where it is hard not to be musical that helped me. If you decide to go for lessons, be aware: There are a lot of teachers out there taht suck at guitar but can teach very well. There are also a lot of teachers that are shredders, but have absolutely no apptitude to teach. I have gone to teachers that I would consider a joke as a guitar technician but taught me a great deal. But if you are motivated enough, just do it yourself. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 02:46:04 EST From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: To School or not to School (continued) Message-ID: Oh, one thing you should go to school for is music theory, which has absolutely nothing to do with guitar technique. And remember: Great Technique + Master of Music Theory does not equal Great Songwriting. They are all very separate aspects of a musician and one has very little to do with the other, except to combine them. Of course songwriting is can be learned to some degree, but that is more crafting what you already have. If you don't have the ability to write songs from the beginning, you should probably check into being a Studio Musician or fill out the McDonald's Application right now. Of course, songwriting is the biggest variable as to far as what is considered good. But if you don't like your songs, odds are other people don't like it either. Back to Music Theory. Learn at a College (or Junior College). Learn it twice. Once from the Classical aspect, and once from the Jazz aspect. You'll be surprised how different these two can be. And both have great information. BUT NEVER LEARN FROM A GUITARIST! I'm sure there are some guitarist that can teach it, but they are definitely a minority of guitarists. And Music theory isn't naming scales and triads (or chords). It isn't songwriting. And it sure isn't just matching up patterns on a guitar neck. Real music theory has nothing to do with a particular instrument. Don't even apply music theory to the guitar right away (well apply it, but don't limit it to the guitar). One thing you will learn is that by the time you get to advanced music theory, it almost seems like a big crock to learn in the first place. Advanced music theory can basically explain EVERYTHING as an acceptable form of music. And you start to wonder why you learned theory if it basically ends up stating ANYTHING you play is within the rules of Music Theory. That is when you have to realize Music Theory has nothing to do with RULES. It is THEORY. Can you go your whole life without even knowing the simplest of music theory? Most definitely. Do you need Music Theory? Not necessarily. So why even worry about Music Theory? Because it races your mind through endless amounts of possibilites that you may have never thought of if you didn't learn Music Theory. The goal of Music Theory is to learn it to the point where you don't use it. It just helps you discover yourself. And you can always learn more Music Theory. BUT DON'T LEARN IT FROM A GUITARIST. Most guitarist idea of what music theory is is just plain pathetic. It is funny that some may consider themselves masters of theory because they can point out something that is OUTSIDE the scale or key. That is PURE BULLSHIT. If you are limiting yourself to playing in the seven modes and a few of the off shoots (harmonic and melodic minor (and the modes givein off by these two minors), chromatic, atonal, dimished, altered, etc.) you missed the whole point to begin with. All though, Music Theory is the least important of the big three. Songwriting first, Technique Second, and Music Theory last. Oh yeah, tone after technique and before theory. I can deal with bad tone before I can deal with bad technique. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 02:51:08 EST From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: LTE release Message-ID: I sent in a check to Magna Carta in the middle of February, and received it on February 28th. No connections, just a regular customer. I also have Shadow Gallery and Age of Impact already paid for with them. This is how I am sure I will get it as soon as it is available. I bet if you call Magna Carta and give them a credit card number, you can get it very quickly. I have such a hard time finding Magna Carta releases, I just do it all by mail order now. It sure beats driving to 5 music stores just to find one of the four CD's I was looking for. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 01:07:04 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: To School or not to School Message-ID: At 12:01 AM 3/3/98 -0800, you wrote: >And you can always learn more Music >Theory. BUT DON'T LEARN IT FROM A GUITARIST. Funny, the person who taught me music theory had a masters degree in guitar performance and she was a student of Andres Segovia. She taught me music theory quite well, and she's a guitarist. But that could never happen, right Calvin? 'Cause guitarists don't know shit, right? heheh :) Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6933 | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 01:17:50 -0700 From: Eckie To: Ytse Jam Subject: NEW SNATCHRIANI ROCKS!!! Message-ID: HEEEEE'S BAAAAAAACK! It's good to see he's not in the blue period anymore, 'n he's back to ROCK 'N FUCKIN' ROLL BABY!!! Oh 'n all that guitar talk goin' on about melody and theory and style...well, buy this album an' basically listen to what a master jedi of shred can do, even with a Marshall. >;) I've only listened through it once as I type this (actually haven't even gotten to the last track yet) and I gotta say it's different than the other stuff he's done...it's laid back yet it's jumping around yet it's...well, buy it and understand. I love it. Joe knows diddly. I'd say it's harkening back to more of the Extremist in overall style 'n composition, but it has elements of Time Machine and the blues album as well. It's not as balls-to-the-walls shred as Surfing was, and I can't compare it to Flying (no vocals on Crystal Planet) ;) but goddAMN God gave this dude a hellafied understanding of melody! Satch is god. and Korg is hysterical. ~Eckie doesn't even NEED a dick! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 01:03:35 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: Mark M is Cartman Message-ID: >From: "Metzger, Mark" >PS - I have met Mark in person and he seems really cool. Good >looking, young and has a lot of hair too. Probably really popular with >the women jammers !! Dude, you totally sound like Cartman at his tea-party on the last South Park! :) > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 10:09:01 +0100 From: Dominique De Jesus Oliveira To: email_address_removed Subject: My first Stratovarius album Message-ID: Hye, I've read here, lot and good opinions about Stratovarius. Then this Week-end I bought the last album "Visions". It was a great idea , it's exellent. Now, I would buy another album. Can somebody tell me which one? Thanks for your suggestions. Dom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 10:22:55 +0100 From: Sebastjan Videc To: email_address_removed Subject: OpenGL, removing hidden lines, bass guitar, strings, DT Message-ID: <34FBCBEF.C6D535B9@uni-mb.si> Hi all geeks!!! After a long time I've decided to ask some questions! Is anyone familiar with removing hidden lines(using OpenGL). I have a scene with wire cube and am doing some rotation, and need to hide some lines. As for bass guitar. I play Ibanez(what else) SG 800 purple colored, and it's an eye breaker under lights. Anyway, tried some Fenders and Yamahas, and must say that Fenders(old ones, not new) are quite cool, except that I like Ibanez a little better(looks). Also played RBX Yamahas and TRB, and RBX is the worst, while 5 and 6 string TRB's are mucho mucho enjoyable. What strings are you guys using? I'm using Dean Markley Blue Steel. Great brilliance and also bottom. As I understand DT are touring in Germany. What are the ticket prices? If anyone is willing to answer, please do! Let light surround you all Sebastjan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 10:38:16 +0100 From: Yakov Kouznetsov To: email_address_removed Subject: G3 - '98 European tour Message-ID: <331A9C08.2F31@club-internet.fr> Hi, there! Going to a local record store was a big mistake. '98 G3 concert is announced (at least here, in Paris) on the 26th of May and when I saw who's featured on the bill I could barely stand on my feet. A special guest will be Patrick Rondat, and three headliners will be : ULI JON ROTH, MICHEAL SHENKER and JOE SATRIANI. Damn, what could be better! When Think of the alltogether jam !!! Let guitar rule the world! Take care. Jacob. provibe@club-internet.fr ------------------------------ Date: 3 Mar 98 11:42:39 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" To: "email_address_removed" Subject: Ramblings Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... Ryan Good wrote: >>Supposedly Angra is coming out with an album this year... and rumor has it >>they're talking to a big label here in the U.S. (ie: not MC, or Noise, or >>Massacre, or Metal Blade, we're talking label the size of Elektra). >Dude, this may be the case, but I'm willing to bet that this will NEVER >happen. Legalize Marijuana OR sign a progmetal band to a major label. >Anyone wanna bet which will happen first? Watch it, I may even take you up on that bet. The thing is that Angra isn't generally regarded as a "prog metal band". Okay, now some of you go like, "shit, Mape's pigeonholing things again", but generally Angra is categorized as power metal. Now, if you take a little glance at what for instance Nuclear Blast, which is a relatively big metal label, is doing at the moment...they are signing POWER METAL BANDS. Hammerfall has sold better than most of the other new NB signings and they have already released another traditional power metal release from a German band called Primal Fear with an ex-Gamma Ray singer Ralf Scheepers and some other European power metal household names. More is on the way, they have also signed Pegasuz, an Australian power metal combo. The exactly same thing is going on at Century Media, Noise and other European metal labels. SPV/NextStop's Rhapsody have sold well, Hammerfall has sold even better, Stratovarius sells well. Face it dude, the eighties metal (in the European sense of the word, not Poison, Ratt etc.) like it or not, is coming back... Music industry revolves in eternal loop. Late 70s and early eighties were the times os disco and punk rock. The last ten years have fed us an endless variety of techno/dance stuff (comparison:disco) and also neo-punk crap like (Green Day, NoFX, Rancid etc.) and NYHC (Sick of it All etc.), which I pesonally also regard as a subgenre of punk. Early eighties, not the least by the influence of Iron Maiden, Saxon and Judas Priest saw the rising of the second wave of heavy metal. Now the cycle is closing again. Raise the axes, it's our time. It's the time for MMMMMMMETAL. :) _Mape_ ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3601 **************************