YTSEJAM Digest 3596 Today's Topics: 1) re: Shred by Pat Sullivan 2) Playing even faster. by Robin Llauren 3) KILLMARY BRINGER OF EVIL by K I L L M A R Y 4) Satriani on Rockline by Eric Desobe 5) 8-finger Tapping by Stephen Dedalus 6) More news around the hour by K I L L M A R Y 7) 10 $ for each cd mastered by David Di Tivoli 8) Shredded Fingers by Phil Carter 9) Re: No DT?!? Help with mail format. by "Christopher R. Merlo" 10) BADASS by Bert Baldwin 11) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Review_of_the_DT_show_in_Malm=F6=2C_Sweden?= by "Anders Olsson" 12) by email_address_removed (Jeffrey Falk) 13) Re: Shredded Fingers by Eckie 14) Picks by "Elydian" 15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3595 by Angus53 16) To James Colberg by "CP Parnham" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:15:23 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan To: email_address_removed Subject: re: Shred Message-ID: Well, I'm a non-guitar player, but I must admit - I'm enjoying this thread. I must need a nap or something. > Anyhoo, the speed of a player >is no good if the passage just sucks Hanson through a straw. My point? >I dunno. But I do know that I feel a TON more emotion out of Satriani's >solos than I do with Micheal Romeo's. My impression has always been (in an abstract sense): There is a minimum time period in music during which emotion can be imparted to a note. I don't know exactly what the duration is, but if you put more than one note into that duration, then you are essentially "splitting" the emotional impact over the multiple notes, and dulling their impact. Watch guitarists live sometime. Generally, when they are shredding, they are looking at the guitar or looking at the audience, but generally, they don't look like they're "feeling" the music, just playing it. But watch that same player when he gets to the legato passage in that shred solo, and you'll see emotion begin to ooze out. (I know it's a generalization, but it's been true for almost every band I've seen). I first heard Yngwie when the song "Rising Force" was played on a local metal show. At the time, I was blown away. I had (at that time) *never* heard anyone play guitar like that - not that fast, anyway. I was so impressed, I bought the tape. I recently put that tape in for the first time in a few years, and it didn't sound the same somehow. I don't know if it's because my musical tastes have changed, or because I've been exposed to so much more good music lately, or some combination of factors. But frankly, I've never heard much "emotion" in YM's solos, and I think it's because of the time efeect I mentioned above. _____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________ E-mail: (psull)-(at)-(ici)-(dot)-(net) IRC: DDictator WWW: http://www.just-like.nu/ NP: Removed because Jon Kretchmer said so. ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:28:52 +0200 (EET) From: Robin Llauren To: email_address_removed Subject: Playing even faster. Message-ID: Is it just me, or is this `the faster guitarrist, the better=B4-discussion really out of the line? Well, what do i know, i've only been subscribed to this list five days, and already i've seen so much Yngwie-bashing -- hang on, here i go! Anyway, a few years back on a music high-school concert (Sibelius-lukio for all Finnish y'jammers), there were these two humourist guys who just wanted to put an end to the discussion on who was the fastest guitarrist.= =20 They played a rememberable solo (well, duo) with two guitars and picks attatched to Braun D3 electric toothbrushes.=20 Now *that* was fast (screw Yngwie ;) =09-llauren _/email_address_removed | " AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA- |gsm: +358-(0)50-5528736 | | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA- |Myself: www.tf.hut.fi/~llauren | | AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHMEN! " |Nados: www.tf.hut.fi/Nados/ | | =09-- Marillion (Forgotten Sons) |________________________________| |=20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:51:09 -0500 (EST) From: K I L L M A R Y To: email_address_removed Subject: KILLMARY BRINGER OF EVIL Message-ID: Yo All. This might be old news for some people here, but to me it was very NEW news. Here in Tampa we had the annual Guitar show this weekend. Though it wasn't as filled with top names as previous years (I've only been here for over a year so I only saw last year's, and this one was small compared to that). We had Vernom Reid, Gary Hoey and Frank Gambale, plus Dave LaRue and Billy Sheehan among factory clinicians, so it still was pretty cool. But the most important news follow now. During Billy Sheehan's clinic, he mentioned that he just finished a recording with Terry Bozzio and "some members of Dream Theater". I asked him later on for more details, and what I got from him is that he was in the studio by himself cutting the bass tracks, so he doesn't exactly know who the DT members are. I asked, is it John Petrucci and Derek Sherinian? He said he doesn't know. That tells us a bit about how those projects come about, but it is still very cool to know what there's more stuff coming ahead... and I didn't even get my LTE yet... Other news for Sheehan fans: he also finished the 2nd Niacin CD, which will have a song and a special guest participation by the master of jazz himself, Chick Corea. Raaaaahhh this year is gonna rock :-) Later all. This presentation has been brought to you by KillMary, who reminds you to kill Mary and get the Priest as well. Christian. ____ ____ ____ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ / / /\/ /\/ /\\ /\ /__/ / / \/ \__/ / / /___/ /___/ \\/ \____ /\ \ / / / \/ / / / / /\ \ // \ / / \ / / / / / / / / \___\// / / / / / /__ /__ / / / / / /\ / / / \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / \___\_\_\__\\__\__\___\_\___\_\___\_\__\__/ / \_________________________________________/ "Kill her. That's all you have to do." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:55:03 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Desobe To: email_address_removed Subject: Satriani on Rockline Message-ID: For those jammers in Atlanta, what station is Rockline usually on, if at all? Satriani is on tonight. I have only live here seven months and have yet to turn on the radio, so I have no clue. Any info would be much appreciated. Take the time. -Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:05:36 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 8-finger Tapping Message-ID: To all you guys who know how, I've got absolutely no experience with the technique, though I'm quite advanced in alternate picking and sweeping. I'd like to start out with easy stuff and work up to the crazy shit. Who should I start with if I wanted to learn some 8-finger stuff? Do me a favor and CC me a message at email_address_removed if you respond to the jam. Tacek, since we'ver heard about your two-handed talent, I'm expecting stuff from you. Be well. Matt B P.S. I think my biggest technical problem is tensing up my left hand too much. My right is fine. Perhaps if we all masterbate with alternate hands, we'll solve all the problems we have. Practice! Practice! Practice! 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(John Fowles, The Magus) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:06:11 -0500 (EST) From: K I L L M A R Y To: email_address_removed Subject: More news around the hour Message-ID: Oh yeah, I got more news. Concept has split up. Bummer. I love the band, I thought Flow was a kickass CD, the other CDs were cool as hell too. Good songwriters. Singer Khan is here in Tampa now working with "troll-rock band" (I won't say who said that, you guys wouldn't believe it) Kamelot. Yup. Khan's Kamelot new singer - if you don't believe me go to www.kamelot.com. I'll keep my comments on that to my closer friends. >:) Finally, Gordian Knot should start recording in April. For those who don't know, it's Sean Malone's second solo album that now has a band name, featuring Sean Reinert, Trey Gunn (King Crimson), Ron Jarzombek (Watchtower) and special guests John Myung (what's his band again?) and Frank Snelwar (Ever), among possible others... As for Sean's other project Ever, it is on a hiatus and will stay that way until Gordian Knot comes out... This news broadcast has been brought you by KillMary, who reminds you that Ptacek is NOT spelled D-i-n-o- -K-h-o-e, and is NOT pronounced "Ing-Vay". Christian. ____ ____ ____ /\ /\ /\/\ /\ / / /\/ /\/ /\\ /\ /__/ / / \/ \__/ / / /___/ /___/ \\/ \____ /\ \ / / / \/ / / / / /\ \ // \ / / \ / / / / / / / / \___\// / / / / / /__ /__ / / / / / /\ / / / \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ / / \___\_\_\__\\__\__\___\_\___\_\___\_\__\__/ / \_________________________________________/ "Kill her. That's all you have to do." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:21:33 +0100 From: David Di Tivoli To: email_address_removed Subject: 10 $ for each cd mastered Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980302182133.009461b0@pronet.it> I have almost 500 cd.......and I buy about 10 cd at week........... \\||// ~~..'~ ( \ ) David Di Tivoli \ c/ DREAM on Undernet #italia __\/ dream@pronet.it / \ < . _ \ Dreamtheater Rulez!!! \ `\ \ -' / \ \ ,,,_ Take the time!!!!! >|""O[|||||nn[:::< UIN:2549487 /_,--- ._\ '''''~ http://www.pegacity.it/arte/broadway/374/index.htm ~ | | | | | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:45:05 -0500 (EST) From: Phil Carter To: Under a Glass Ytse Subject: Shredded Fingers Message-ID: Greetings ye 'jamanoids... Chris P. remarked: > Fair enough... when i say reasonably fast, I mean slower than > Gilbert, but fast enough to play the majority of what you want to get > across. A lot of it depends on the terminal speed that the player > WANTS to reach. Terminal speed? Hmm.... [Cut to interior scene. Three guitarists are sitting in a circle with their axes handy. A stereo sits nearby.] Shred Freak 1: Hey, check this out, this guy's fast. (Plays Jennifer Batten CD with "Whammy Damage" on it). Shred Freak 3: Dude, that's a girl. You think a *girl's* fast? Hahahahahaha! SF 1: Shut up! *smack* Chops, man! She can play! Listen to that speed! Listen to the octodigital tapping! Shred Freak 2: Get a life. *This* guy can really shred....(Plays Symphony X's "Divine Wings of Tragedy"). SF 1: Dude! Sweep picking! High-speed harmonics! Pure shred, man! SF 3: Yeah, whatever. Check out *this* guy -- try and play along with this. (Plays MICHAEL.ANGELO 's solo CD). SF 2: Whoa! Blurred fingers! Melting picks! Screaming strings! We have reached "Shredvana!" SF 1: We can do that! (Starts some high-speed flurries on his axe). SF 3: Yeah! (Begins a chromatic run at 200 BPM, sweep-picking like a demon). SF 2: You think *that's* fast? Ha! I am the Speed King! (Starts a blurring alternate picked run, fingers dancing over the strings effortlessly. The other two axeslingers struggle to keep up with him, striking sour notes and muffing position changes). SF 1: Must....keep.....control! Fingers....not responding!!! SF 3: Aahhh! Have to.....keep up.....I....am superior.... SF 2: Hah! You pansies! (Shifts into overdrive and his fingers disappear completely, the strings appearing to move by themselves). SF 3: No! Losing.....cohesion! Muscles.....overloading! SF 1: Brain....melting! Reaching.....terminal speed!!! (Smoke begins rising from the fretboards. The picks clenched frantically in the hands of Shred Freak 1 and 3 are beginning to chip and fragment. Both of them are straining, teeth clenched, sweat standing out on their foreheads). SF 2: Terminal velocity, up ahead! (Begins laughing demonically as the speed of the notes shrieking from his axe zooms upward yet another notch). SF 3, 1: Aaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!!! (Their fretboard hands, spasming madly, suddenly lock up completely. Picks snap in two, strings part with horrid shrieking sounds, and they both fly backward as their guitars explode). The second guitarist sneers, ending his shredfest with a blinding ten-finger-and-teeth chromatic tapped run, then pulls off a mask, revealing himself to be Joe Stump. Stump: Young fools. Only now, at the end, do they understand. (He stretches out a hand and rips off a flesh-colored glove. Circuitry sparkles on the surface of his totally mechanical fingers. He grins, and begins to laugh again). [Fade to black.] Terminal speed. Dig it. :) I may only be a mediocre guitarist, but I gotta say I'm getting a huge kick out of these guitar threads. Let's get the keyboardists out there into this too -- what've you folk got to say? Ta, Phil ===================================================================== Phil Carter -- email_address_removed (work), email_address_removed (personal) Senior Tech, NorthEast Georgia Internet Access, 546-5787 "Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." -- Berthold Auerbach Currently playing: Tesla -- "The Great Radio Controversy" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 13:00:24 -0500 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: No DT?!? Help with mail format. Message-ID: > Mail help: > Now, if any kind soul out there would help me with how my posts > look, I'd appreciate it. I'm sending it using Netscape Communicator. > Last time I saw one of my posts, it came out all weird looking. Any > tips? Yeah. Get a real mail client. :) (I recommend emacs or elm, but that's just me.) What? You can't run emacs on your computer? Gak! You're using the wrong operating system! Go get linux now! (www.linux.org) "Friends don't let friends use DOS." -Pat Griffin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough email_address_removed "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates email_address_removed /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "The Spirit of Radio" Saturday 2:00pm-4:00pm 90.7 WCWM-FM http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/tsor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:06:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Bert Baldwin To: The YtseJam mailing list Subject: BADASS Message-ID: I was thinking (that's a first), we should set up a monthly meeting, sort of like Alcoholics Anonymous, only make it Beginning Alcoholics Developing Anti Social Symptoms. We could call it BADASS. Any takers? :) -- Bert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:25:33 +0100 From: "Anders Olsson" To: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Review_of_the_DT_show_in_Malm=F6=2C_Sweden?= Message-ID: Hey there! I'll try not to mention any guitarists, especially not Yngwie, so I can get away with no flames :-) I noticed my good friend, Simon, already did a review so I'll try to make it short :-) I also got a bit late to the show, since I watched Simon play with his band, and missed like 10-15 minutes of the Vanden Plas show. I believe DT got on stage about 9.45, and they started off with A Crack In The Mirror into Take The Time. I was expecting the show to start with Lines, as almost all their other shows have done. Anyways, it was cool to hear such a classic DT tune :-) Then Myung picked up the Stick (I got a kick out of that ;-), and they played NM. I was freaking out since it's my 2nd fave off of FII. Then directly into my 2nd fave song off Awake, Voices. They also did Lie, PS, AL, HY, YJ, ToT (the highlight for me) and PMU. I think that was it... They ended the show with playing parts of Met, LtL and The Crimson Sunset all mixed into one song. Very nice. The coolest thing was that I and some friends got to meet the bandmembers (except Petrucci, noone knows how the hell he got out of the building ;-) outside after the show. It was a dream come true to talk to them, and all of them acted very friendly and signed everything. Mike even noticed I was wearing the Ytsejam T-shirt. He still reads the jam, and he told me to send greetings and do a review. :-) All in all, a great show! Anders Olsson email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:52:52 -0400 From: email_address_removed (Jeffrey Falk) To: email_address_removed Message-ID: >by the way...is there anybody out there besides me who does NOT play an >ibanez guitar? >I have a Jackson PS4, a Yamaha RGX121D and a '69 Fender Mustang, for the >record... Since you didn't add "except that bastard Jeff Falk" to the question, I'll answer. I don't play an Ibanez. I've got a Richie Sambora signature model Strat (yes, I'm a real nerd). I also have an Epiphone acoustic and a neglected Squier Strat. If that doesn't convince you, look at what I might have in a ten-disc changer right now: The Beach Boys: _The Pet Sounds Sessions_ bonus disc (_Pet Sounds_ original mono mix digitally remastered) Phantom Blue: _Caught Live_ Billy Joel: _Songs in the Attic_ Megadeth: _Cryptic Writings_ U2: _Rattle and Hum_ Yes: _Going for the One_ Genesis: _Duke_ Bruce Springsteen: _Born to Run_ Queen: _Jazz_ John McLaughlin: _Electric Guitarist_ Jeff Falk email_address_removed ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 11:52:23 -0700 From: Eckie To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Shredded Fingers Message-ID: Hahahaha! :^) Kinda makes ya wonder what would've happened if Darth Vader 'n Luke Skywalker picked up guitars instead of light sabers and chopped heads instead of their hands.... "Why do you have to call me Shred Freak number 2? It sounds so impersonal! Call me the Second Shred Freak, or something." My philosophy on developing speed? Scales and metronomes. Whips and chains. And lots of Josta. Watching the Petrucci video over and over helps too. Oh, btw...does anybody recommend any other "instructional" videos? Petrucci's has been, of the few I've seen/own, by far the best for any guitarist lookin' to improve his/her/its chops. Oh yeah, and HAVE FUN GOD DAMMIT! ~Eckie couldn't teach a guitar class to save his own mortgage ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:27:29 -0000 From: "Elydian" To: Subject: Picks Message-ID: <01bd4611$3d5968e0$17e92ac2@elydian> To continue with the 'annoying to keyboardists and drummers' guitar thred, just a question about Dunlop Jazz IIIs. Are they metal or plastic, and if they're plastic, how thick are they, and how much give is there? This is just because I live in England, and anything that isn't used by those Oasis twats, you can't get a hold of. I currently use a stainless steel Dunlop Teckpick, which obviously has no give, and does me fine (ie. It doesn't give me missed notes when I'm over 200 bpm). Just wondering anyway, thanks in advance. And an addition to the economy picking thread: I've always played linear runs with alternate picking. Any sweeping is done when I'm actually sweep picking. Yeah, okay, it does take a while for that speed to increase, and that 'running round the car to shut the door' thing to pull tight, but you never lose it once you get it, as long as you practice. But then, if your economy picking sounds as good as the next guy's alternate picking, why change? ========================================== In a world which your mind controls, belief is reality. -- E-Mail: elydian@netcomuk.co.uk -- ICQ UIN: 1491970 -- Web Pages: http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~elydian/ ========================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:32:43 EST From: Angus53 To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3595 Message-ID: I don't think it is possible to list the ten albums that would be in our CD players if there was no DT. After thinking about it a little more, I came to some bigtime conclusions. If there was no DT, life as we know it, would cease to exist. If there was no DT, then the bands that influenced DT must not have existed either. Cause if they did, DT would have been influenced and therefore created. For all we know, this DTless world (mad and insane as it might be) might not even have CDs. They could still be stuck listening to 8-track. And we all know that you can't listen to DT on 8-track. I think that I have finally lost my fuckin mind! My brain is fried, I need some shade! later ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 19:39:30 +0000 From: "CP Parnham" To: email_address_removed Subject: To James Colberg Message-ID: Hello everyone, and in particular, James, I agree totally with your letter to "eMpTyV" and I remember a time (My pale virgin mind..watched the crimson sunrise....(Sorry, that happens sometimes..)) when I chatted to some Americans and I said "Ha! We still have Headbangers Ball here in the UK and you don't!!!" and they said "It was great until they put Into The Pit on it!" then they shut it down completely. Anyway, the same eventually happened to Headbanger's Ball over here too and now there's MTV UK and MTV Europe as two separate things, and they NEVER play anything good (let alone DT!!!) on H'sB replacement show "SuperRock" because it's a load of bollocks. I envy the Europeans (Aren't I European living in England???) if they have Headbanger's Ball and MTV UK doesn't.... Some statistics: I know long-hair isn't necessarily a sure sign of a Rock fan but out of 120 first year Design students I'm the ONLY male with long hair! Can you believe that!!!!!????? Also, out of 160 students living in the accommodation where I live there's only TWO others who long hair. What has the world come to??? Chris "Insania" Parnham ICQ#: 5714076 _________________________________________________________________________ Please check out my local Rock band STORMWATCH at They're gonna be BIG!!! When autumn leaves are falling, When twilight's here at last, When time seems never ending, When present turns to past, When hopes are all we live for, When eyes are closed at night, When happiness forever is When dream and day unite..... ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3596 **************************