YTSEJAM Digest 3595 Today's Topics: 1) ok ok this settles it by The iban 2) No DT?!? Help with mail format. by rjurado 3) Re: YTSEJAM digest #XXXXXX by The iban 4) Re: Picking by The iban 5) Hot damn, I'm missing out by Lobsterback 6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3594 by The iban 7) The usual. by Pat Griffin 8) Economy Picking (If you are not interested in guitar technique, page down) by Calvin 6S 9) ingvay (my one and only post about him)/'Tage by "Trevor W. Hoit" 10) PICTURAL EVIDENCE OF MIKE AND JAMES by Choon-Kang Walther 11) Re: Return of Shredology by Rogerio Brito 12) Hollow years in finnish TV... by O-P Komonen 13) YNGWIE and Drummers by email_address_removed 14) Gobs O' Stuff: No DTC by Nicholas Giannotti 15) Re: Shredology by "KorgX3" 16) Re: Herbalessencejam by "KorgX3" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 04:57:32 EST From: The iban To: email_address_removed Subject: ok ok this settles it Message-ID: i wasnt going to respond cause i figured someone would and it would be over.. but i have the yngwie guitar video, and a few live videos and he distinctly says "ing vay" himself, so that settles it, end of discussion, words from the dude himself.. Rocky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 06:09:35 -0800 From: rjurado To: email_address_removed Subject: No DT?!? Help with mail format. Message-ID: Well, let's see if there were no DT, I'd be listening to stuff for which people might flame me. :) Seriously, though, I wonder if that's true. Well, here goes. No order of preference. So So Def Bass All-Stars, Volume 2 John Coltrane and (or is it "&") Johnny Hartman Cassandra Wilson - "New Moon Daughter" "Love Jones" soundtrack Steely Dan - "The Royal Scam" Hendrix - "Axis: Bold As Love" Hedges - "Live On The Double Planet" Chante Moore - "Love Supreme" 'Trane - "Love Supreme" Extreme Trying desperately to get Nuno's "Schizophonic" Waiting desperately for "Van Halen III" Satch Vai Ani DiFranco Mail help: Now, if any kind soul out there would help me with how my posts look, I'd appreciate it. I'm sending it using Netscape Communicator. Last time I saw one of my posts, it came out all weird looking. Any tips? -Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 05:01:21 EST From: The iban To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest #XXXXXX Message-ID: some ytse-expert said: > >If you want people to read your message, put in a relevant subject. that's > >why you can change it so you have one. oh thank you man, i just don't know what we would do without your expert advice you really changed my life Rocky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 05:07:15 EST From: The iban To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Picking Message-ID: i must agree with Chris Ptacek on the Alternate picking, i used to do this "Economy Picking" without really noticing, i always thought i was alternate picking all the way, till i watched a paul gilbert video and actually paid attention to my right hand more, and the fast runs i was attempting, the problems were always at the parts where i would sweep pick between the strings instead of alternating when i should, so i sat down and started practicing complete alternate picking for hours, and in a few weeks i could play a lot faster without the problems i was having before, it took a while to get used to because i played the other way for years, but it was well worth it. also, personally i have always used Dunlop Jazz III's as well, i love the sharp edge, and when i switch to another pick i feel weird and it seems harder to play, but its probably just because i'm used to the shape Rocky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 05:07:23 -0500 From: Lobsterback To: email_address_removed Subject: Hot damn, I'm missing out Message-ID: >there are a few people that leave the >subject blank or leave RE:Ytsejam Issue #XXXX Hey, since when has there been a quadruple X version of the Ytsejam?! Brian "Always The Last To Know" Henderson =========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: email_address_removed ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ =========================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 05:11:18 EST From: The iban To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3594 Message-ID: Rich said: > >Funny >thing is that when I play air guitar to Symphony-X tunes, I notice I use a >lot of slip picking in my playing. Go figure. :) hmm, i'm gonna have to study my air guitar picking technique, it could prove helpful, i don't air guitar as much as i air drum though. i'm an awesome air drummer, you should see my kit, it has everything, its fuckin huge... but everything is really close together, maybe thats why i suck at real drums.. hmm.. maybe i should try spacing out my air drum kit, its kinda hard to with the size of my steering wheel though.. Rocky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 04:10:32 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin To: ThE NuGgeTjAm Subject: The usual. Message-ID: Chris Pthewie wrote: > I plan to put my finger exercises > on the web page eventually (Gabbo, don't even TRY to make a funny). "Muruphupt humamufanama grumuphumapht!" -- Kenny ------------==[ This Subject Intentionally Left Blank ]==----------- > From: John Hough > Subject: pink pickles and sauerkraut There are a few reasons I will skip a post, and the subject isn't necessarily one of them. 1) The From: Line. If I see a post from someone who consistantly posts crap, or incoherent nonsense, or has no grasp of the concepts of grammar, sarcasm, or intelligent conversation, I will skip it. If I see a post from someone that I know is currently in a personal flame war that should be in private email, or who is carrying on about a thread I wish would die, I will skip it (with the exception of certain people whom I enjoy reading retorts from). 2) The Subject: Line. If it refers to a thread I don't want to read, I will skip it. Re: Ytsejam #xxxx does not count here. I usually will at least skim those posts. A good example would be the current Yngwie thread, which I lost interest in before it even started, since in my opinion Yngwie is a good player whose songs are infected with cheese that's been fermenting since the 1980s. 3) The Appearance. If the post contains any of the following I will usually skip it: double spacing , HTML code, MIME encoded sections, poor cut and paste jobs. 4) The Content. This consists of a brief scan of the text to determine if the subject matter is worth reading. There are other influences and exceptions of course, but those are the main ones. The point being that most people I know don't give a crap about the subject line as much as they do about other factors. --------------------==[ Brave, Brave Sir Ryan ]==---------------------- > From: "Ryan Good,WSUM Loud Rock Director" > Subject: Atheist, Anacrusis, Cynic, Watchtower, Imperium > Anyone got info about any of the above personnel? I understand that > 2) cynic's members have various projects which I have no ideas about Shawn Malone has a solo CD out called Cortlandt. It's not metal. Sean Reinert helps out on drums. I've also heard news of a new band with Shawn and Sean, featuring appearances by John Myung, but for the life of me I can't remember the name of the band or the CD or release date. 5) anacrusis' screams and whispers is really really really underrated. Screams and Whispers is the only Anacrusis CD I have, and it rocks. I'll probably end up getting more eventually, but I can't afford it right now. They're a local band (St. Louis) that unfortunately broke up a while back. I can't say that the CD is underrated, seeing as how I never heard anyone rate it in the first place, but it's definately a good buy. -----------------==[ If Dream Theater Didn't Exist ]==---------------- > I was thinking (oh ow, that hurt) and I was just wondering that if there > was no DT (prog gods forbid) what would you have in your 10 CD player? If Dream Theater did not exist, then the Ytsejam would not exist. Therefore you would most likely not know any of us or have any way of reaching us in such a public forum. Therefore no one here should answer your question on the list, because if Dream Theater did not exist, none of us would know you asked the question. As for what CDs I'd listen to, check the web page. My whole collection is in constant rotation. h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o / | Pat Griffin Reality Squared Design | | email_address_removed email_address_removed | h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o / ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 06:08:13 EST From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: Economy Picking (If you are not interested in guitar technique, page down) Message-ID: Chris Ptacek aka email_address_removed stated: >See, I think that it's imperative to start someone off on Alternate >picking, because it tends to lead the player to better timing. I can agree with this statement (the part that alternate picking lends toward better timing - at first) It makes your hand like a metronome. In fact, my first issue when going back with Economy Picking was timing. With Alternate Picking, I was at the point where I could double just about anything I played and have it sound uncannily like the original (timing is always the issue when it comes to doubling). When I switched back to Economy Picking, I had to work on timing again. But with Alternate Picking, it had seemed no matter how hard I worked on speed I was at my limit!!!!! With Economy, I could increase my limit and all I had to do was reconfigure my brain so it didn't depend on the constant up/down motion for timing. The very first thing I did was play everything starting with an upstroke because I had realized that I had become dependent on starting with a downstroke. Next was the simple practice of the gallop rhythm ( Think Iron Maiden). Once the timing was down on that, I could do that type of rhythm so much faster. And in a sense, my timing improved because I didn't have to do two downstrokes in a row (this isn't straight alternate picking, but most alternate pickers play gallops /\ \/ /\ /\ \/ /\ instead of /\ \/ /\ \/ /\ \/ atleast while on the same string). With these two basic barriers, the timing quickly came to me. As far as the single note string thing, that was actually always my strong point. My problem was this |-----------12---------------------| |-----15---------------------------| /\ \/ It just seemed like a wasted (and hard, for me) motion. I look at it like this. The two strings are car doors. Is it easier to be inside the car (between the two strings) and touch the left then right door, or is it easier to outside the car (outside the two strings) and tought the left then right door. If you were outside the car, you would have to run around the car to hit the other door. That's how I felt. I had to jump over the next string to hit it. So now depending on where my picking happens to be at 1) If the last stroke I hit the 15th Fret at was a downstroke, I would play it like |-----------12---------------------| |-----15---------------------------| /\ /\ 2) If the last stroke I hit the 15th Fret at was an upstroke, I would play it like |-----------12---------------------| |-----15---------------------------| \/ /\ Those are my two options. I don't arrange notes so I have two downstrokes or upstrokes in a row, that is unmusical. Besides, how can you improv if you have to actually think aobut arranging notes on strings. I want to think about the notes, not the technique. It's a simple concept. If I am going to a higher pitched string, I always hit the first note with a downstroke. If I am going to a lower pitched string, I always hit the first note with an upstroke. The only time I think about whether I am going to start with an upstroke or a downstoke is if I am not improvising and have had time to think which helps me perform it better. Hey, I like that you said about Economy pickers sounding snakey. I don't know what you mean by this, but I always thought that I like players that are weaving in and out of a rhythm, as opposed to running along with it. Of course, the coolest guitarists do both. You wanna hear the weirdest thing. I suck at sweep picking. Although I have improved a great deal these past three months. I have really been working on using the littlest amount of pick to string contact as possible without missing the string. (almost like I feel like I am air guitaring). This helped me get better at sweep picking. The first technique I caught onto was Eddie Tapping, then long legato runs, then eight finger, then straight all notes picked, and the sweep picking. I have to admit I cheat with the eight finger. Roy Ashen from MI got me started on using a pony tail tie (or whatever you call them - scrunchies?) When I know I am going to do a long eight finger run (not necessarily fast - I do this when I want to play something originally on keys (large intervals) such as the keyboard part on the beginning of 6:00. I did this when I had another guitarist in the band, but no keys. I always volunteer for the keyboard parts. So much more to learn. But I flip the scruncy right over the nut, and I am free to concentrate on the dynamics of the note as oppossed to the ringing of the open strings. Back to Economy Picking, another jammer said he thought economy (slip) picking felt awkward. I would say he should stick with Alternate Picking. Not that learning both methods is bad, but if he had to choose one, stay with Alternate Picking. Like I said, I don't believe anybody's guitar method can be deemed as "The Right Way to Play". Some comment about using it when he air guitared though. Maybe I am losing my sense of humor, but I think I missed the point there. Maybe there was no point. Well, sorry if keyboard players and drummers tried to find the end of this and got bored out of their mind, but if you want to discuss your techniques, I am not opposed to hearing it. I actually play keys (better than the average guitarist, pathetic when compared to actual keyboardists). One thing for sure, I am glad CD's don't wear out otherwise I would have to preorder eight more copies of LTE right now. Sorry if there are typos and words missing that make sentences awkward at times, but I just type these things as my brain forms them. I think my ability to type fast somehow helped my guitar playing. I never had that problem the other guy mentioned about the pinky being underdeveloped. So we're all practicing guitar as we type!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 03:31:58 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" To: "'email_address_removed'" Subject: ingvay (my one and only post about him)/'Tage Message-ID: >I believe it is pronounce Ing Vay It sounds like a lot of people pronounce it "Asshole". Disclaimer: I am not saying he IS an asshole. He could be a really nice guy. I've never met him. My favorites are Rising Force, Odyssey, Fire & Ice, and Magnum Opus. (BTW, I came across an YJM cd the other day that looked fairly new, but did not have the date on it anywhere. If I recall, it had a big triangle on the cover. When was this released?) > >>Savatage will release a live CD and a live Video later this year. >Are either of these going to be released in the U.S.? I think the live cd could be called Live Devestation and is all pre-Streets stuff. I could be wrong, but I got promo of this one from Knights of the Round. Trevor Ansel Adams is the Yngwie Malmsteen of black and white photography. (I have no idea what this means. I just thought I'd say it because I know it will piss somebody off and then we'll get even MORE jams) :) > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:56:04 +0100 (CET) From: Choon-Kang Walther To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: PICTURAL EVIDENCE OF MIKE AND JAMES Message-ID: Hi Jammers, It's me who posted this news in the jam. I didn't know that this would steer up so much comment. I have pictures of this and will them send to a friend in Holland who hopefully will put them on in a week. The adress is http://euronet.nl/users/ouden/ Please be patient, a week. Cheers Choon-Kang ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:57:20 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Return of Shredology Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, Uroborosss wrote: > Bafu Vai > > > p.s. this must be boring the hell out of the non-guitarists. Well, I can only speak for myself, but if others are like me, then they should be enjoying the thread also, because you guys are mentioning some techniques and people who I may check in the future for reference and also comparison with current preferred guitarrists. In the end it is very informative, IMO. []s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - email_address_removed.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 15:50:31 +0200 From: O-P Komonen To: email_address_removed Subject: Hollow years in finnish TV... Message-ID: HY video was aired in Finnish TV music show, Jyrki, today around 15:40... I pretty much liked the vid myself (except one clip with a bitch who had loooong hands) op777 ------------------------------------------------------------- Olli-Pekka Komonen snail:Kutojantie 2, 13720 Parola, Finland e-mail: opk@hlti.fi phn:+358-3-6715036 cell:+358-400-498 266 ------------------------------------------------------------- "YOUTAKEMYLIFEANDI'LLTAKEYOURSTOO!!!" -Kevin Moore "Very positive message" -James LaBrie ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:08:34 -0500 From: email_address_removed Subject: YNGWIE and Drummers Message-ID: > So Fuck all you opinionated MOTHERFUCKERS > FUCK YOU. BTW, this is from a drummer that doesn't even play guitar but > seems to respect the instrument more than a lot of people here. Great, it's drummers like you who give us a bad name. Later, KDR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:19:23 -0500 From: Nicholas Giannotti To: email_address_removed Subject: Gobs O' Stuff: No DTC Message-ID: At 02:04 3/2/98 -0800, Mark Peters wrote: >And finally, I've got 2 passes to the local movie theater. Does anyone >have any recommendations as to good movies that are playing now? I've >already seen Titanic, but after that, I'm totally ignorant. > If you can still catch it, see "Good Will Hunting" - you will NOT be disappointed. Anyone else out there agree with me on this one? Then, Ryan Good wrote, >From: "Ryan Good,WSUM Loud Rock Director" >To: email_address_removed >Subject: Atheist, Anacrusis, Cynic, Watchtower, Imperium >Message-ID: > > >Hey- > >3) watchtower is back together? and writing? A friend of mine insists that the singer for Watchtower is the guy who sang for Dangerous Toys, while another one claims that he isn't. I don't know enough about either band to dispute this fact, so if anyone out there can clue me in, I'dbe greatly appreciative. THEN, someone else wrote, >10 Cd's....hmm in no particular order 1. The Cure - Standing on a Beach: The Singles 2. SRV: Greatest Hits 3. Journey: Greatest Hits 4. Duran Duran: Seven and the Ragged Tiger 5. a-ha: Hunting High and Low 6. Iron Maiden: Best of the Beast 7. New Order: Substance, 1987 8. Shrapnel Records Metal Sampler (Anyone else out there remember this one? Had two tracks from Racer X, one from Jason Becker, one from Marty Friedman, one from Cacophony, and a bunch of their other stuff... I wish I could find it still...) 9. Monty Python: The Final Rip Off 10. Lorenna McKennit: The Mask and The Mirror (I know there aren't supposed to be Top-10 Lists, but I wanted to jump on the bandwagon with this one. Sorry, all. ) -Nicholas "Anyone who believes in psychokinesis, please raise my right hand." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 02:34:03 -0700 From: "KorgX3" To: Subject: Re: Shredology Message-ID: <01bd45be$56dbf380$message_id_removed> >3). The most important thing in shred, beyond speed, beyond chops, >and beyond wearing the cooler Pirate shirt Actually, the big hair has alot of basis for it. Most of the supershredders have big hair. Notice how Joe Satch got real laid back after the hair came off? Started doing the jazzy, bluesy stuff? It' s the hair. And if you open any of their guitar cases, there's a collection of lighters and Troll Dolls[tm]. It's just an expoundment on the hair thing. The more hair the better. I bet non of you knew that Crystal Gayle was a supershredder. She was just a closet shredder. She'd hide in the closet and shred. But of course if you spill green ooze on a turtle, you've got something else. A hairless reptile should in fact be incapable of playing guitar. Let alone with three fingers, but somehow or another Leonardo had the best ability of them all. I saw him live, and believe me, he could cut Yngwie into piece. But I digress. --KorgX3 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 02:16:02 -0700 From: "KorgX3" To: Subject: Re: Herbalessencejam Message-ID: <01bd45bb$d2ab8960$message_id_removed> >Conclusion: >The good-smelling effects Herbal Essence shampoos only work on fems, >causing the rejection of the hypothesis. It can be theorized that there is >something in the overall gender chemical make-up that causes this >difference. Further experiments need be conducted. Actually I've noticed that (sure, uh huh). The only reason I use it anyway it cuz it's about the only conditioner that keeps my hair from getting all frizzy. But I only use pure Infusium 23 shampoo, baybee! Now if I could just do something about this damned yeast infection. --KorgX3 ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3595 **************************