YTSEJAM Digest 3587 Today's Topics: 1) More yacking by email_address_removed 2) Yngwie and a harpoon, tonight on America's Stupidest Groin Videos by Pat Griffin 3) Fates in Dynamo 98 !!! by Arash Ashouriha 4) Things that make you go hmmm... by "KorgX3" 5) Wowzers by email_address_removed 6) Curious about MP3s by Angus53 7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3586 by email_address_removed 8) AWARD: Jon K. by Glenn Waterfield 9) Re: Validity of drummers by graham boyle 10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3585 by "Matt Halloran" 11) by email_address_removed 12) The Fastest? by Chris Groves 13) On a lighter side! by Calvin 6S 14) Petrucci and Malmsteen by Matej Grginic ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 00:07:29 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: More yacking Message-ID: > From: Arash Ashouriha > Subject: Yngwie Johan Malmsteen > > What have all you guys against Yngwie Johan Malmsteen ? Nothing at all. He's just an easy butt end for jokes. I firmly believe that the majority of the people on this list who knock him, have never listened to his playing in the first place. When I actually cut him down, it's usually lighthearted. The guy can play... I just wish he could still WRITE . > He is one the best guitar player of all time. > Without him, bands like Symphony X, Stratovarius would never make the > music they do these days. Yngwie has create the style you call "Neo > Classical Metal". You just keep on believing that. :) Yngwie was influenced by DiMeola and Uli Jon Roth, both of whom have neoclassical recordings that pre-date Yngwie's. He's a big influence on a lot of players, but if he had never come about, someone else would have. When Yngwie arrived on the scene, there were already people who could play like him. He was just one of the first to be promoted. > I like all his albums. From Rising Force (1984) to Facing tht Animal (1997). > It's true that sometimes his solo's sounds the same but it's not a bad thing. Yes it IS. It's the WORST thing. It shows that he's a sort of shallow writer, and the most important thing is the writing, not the technique, if you ask me. > Ynwie make still the best neo classical music --->>>> BACH AND ROLL. That should read "Yngwie still makes the SAME neoclassical music... over and over again." > I can't wait to hear his Concerto album, which promised to be 1 of the best > and inovativest instrumental album of all time. It promises to be interesting. I'll offer that much. "Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:32:38 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin To: ThE NuGgeTjAm Subject: Yngwie and a harpoon, tonight on America's Stupidest Groin Videos Message-ID: > Yngwie is arrogant but, hell he can play. He is giunus. ^^^^^^ Boy, isn't *that* a ringing endorsement. :) Hey, guys? I heard a rumor that we are going to get sued by the Yngwie mailing list for copyright infringement. Can we please stop this conversation, I think 3 weeks is long enough. Why don't the six of you who are still arguing about it just email each other and choose a mutually agreeable location to meet and bludgeon each other with large heavy objects. Hey, since we already have Chris Calabrese's address... h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o / | Pat Griffin Reality Squared Design | | email_address_removed email_address_removed | h t t p : / / w w w . p r o g n o s i s . c o m / g a b b o / ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 07:40:44 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha To: email_address_removed Subject: Fates in Dynamo 98 !!! Message-ID: Hi Fates Warning will play on the Dynamo Open Air Festival 98 in Holland !!! Stratovarius, Hammerfall, Fear Factory and many other bands will play there as well. During the Fates Warning tour through Europe, they will be some special guestes. I would say, those guestes are maybe Kevin Moore and John Arch. For more information about the tour, check out my Prog Or Die page. Arash -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | PROG OR DIE - The Progressive Music Page | | | | DREAM THEATER - FATES WARNING - ROYAL HUNT - SHADOW GALLERY | | | | http://lionel.kr.fh-niederrhein.de/~ashouria/index.htm | | OR | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/1748/ | | | | by Arash Ashouriha | | | | email_address_removed.de | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:36:58 -0700 From: "KorgX3" To: Subject: Things that make you go hmmm... Message-ID: <01bd44dc$6f831f40$message_id_removed> Is it just me or does Herbal Essences Conditioner just rock? --KorgX3 The previous is a basic demonstration of the general quality of the Ytsejam Mailing List. For a list of advertisers in your area, please stand by. Will the real Saddam please step forward? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 01:01:08 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Wowzers Message-ID: > "Dream Theater is a band." - Chris Merlo > Is it me, or does the Jam fucking RULE this week? :) It feels like the good ol' days. > From: Calvin 6S > Subject: Validity of drummers > > I know that putting down drummers as the lowest form of musical life is said > in good fun, but I have a simple concept here. I've done similar work, and you're right. I suppose I should make sure this is clear: When I knock drummers, or those pussy "bass" players, it's generally meant as a joke. True exellence on any instrument requires immense amounts of time and effort, and it doesn't matter if you're the primitive barbarian that beats on a piece of wood and animal skin, or the clean, well groomed 7 string virtuouso. > From: Carol Dellinger > Subject: Re: Validity of drummers This post wins my "Completely unwaranted, 'out of the blue' flame of the week" award. How could you have found something insulting in that? Are you just holding a grudge from something Cal previously said? > From: Uroborosss > Subject: Our Lady of Shrapnel > > Can anybody list a "very best of Shrapnel records", i dont trust their own > > reviews, they repeat the same things over and over for each artist. > > I can't list a very-best-of, but I can tell you what I've heard and how it > sounds. The best reference for this question would be Chris Ptacek, who owns > 8,261 compact discs, 7,388 of which are from the Shrapnel label. Above all, > keep in mind that Shrapnel is for a specialized audience. If you are not an > avid guitar freak like myself you probably won't like much of their catalog. I'll go ahead and add some notes (though I agree with the ones Bafu noted and would have worded my comments very similarly) : Jason Becker: Perpetual Burn. This is the be all and end all of Neo Classical, and there are few among the informed (both among players who have their own shred albums out, and are mentioned on this list, and among collectors and listeners) who will disagree with this statement. He has all the chops and more, but on top of it all, he manages to OOZE feeling and emotion, in a way that some people reserve for only blues players. This guy is the reason I play guitar, and he is where I learned that you can play fast and still have a soul. You just can't imagine what you're missing if you don't own this. Even my non-musician friends love this all instrumental masterpiece. Cacophony: Go Off, or Speed Metal Symphony. This is Becker and Friedman, in what I believe is the most monumental and beautiful shred guitar collaboration to date. The problem is, these are both mainly comprised of vocal tunes, and the vocalist is VERY VERY BAD. To quote the dude who got me into this band, when I was 12 years old, "The guitars are certainly very ripping, but the singer sounds like he gargles with Liquid Plumber." Go Off is, in my opinion, the better of their two albums. The two instrumentals, and the solos in the vocal tunes are more than worth the price of admission. I think I'd go so far to say that these two albums are Becker and Friedman's best recorded performances ever, better than either of their solo works, in terms of soloing. Greg Howe: This guy has 6 or 7 Shrapnel releases now. His first is his most NeoClassical, in my opinion, and really epitomizes what 80's shred metal guitar was about. Alive, kicking, and memorable. As time has gone on, he's been influenced heavily by other players and other styles (Garsed and Holdsworth seem to be the big ones), and now he's doing some of the best fusion out there. He has immense technique, and his phrasing is impeccable... when I listen to his old stuff, I just love to groove with the shred, but when I hear the new stuff, I often revert to the (now very rare) "What the fuck is he DOING?!" mode (that's not to say that I can DO everything now... I can just tell what techniques are being used usually) Tony MacAlpine: All of his albums are amazing. He always has at least one Chopin piece that he performs beautifully on piano on each album, and SOMEHOW, he's able to shred equally well on keys and on guitar. This guy is like MICHAEL.ANGELO. technically, but with more feel, and a sort of "style" to his playing... very classy and very cool... like you know he's not breaking a sweat as he whips out 32nd notes across the neck. His best album, IMO, is Maximum Security. Vinnie Moore: We lose a bit of emotion, and trade it for perfection in technique. Vinnie doesn't hide behind 10ms of delay, like MICHAEL.ANGELO. and picks with a standard technique (Unlike the way M.A. braces and pivots off of the base of his fingertips). His picking is so flawless, that it almost takes away from the impact of the music... every note is hit with such a sickening precision. It makes for some beautiful music. He always has an awesome keyboardist (I think Rudess plays on at least one of his discs... can't recall off the top of my head). He is one of about 5 players I know of who can pick as perfectly as DiMeola (not about speed alone... about perfection) but can also do legato, as smoothly and bogglingly as Holdsworth. Bafu said it best though... "When Steve Vai has nightmares, they feature music by Ron Thal." For those of you people who didn't know, MICHAEL.ANGELO.'s real name is Michael Batio and he used to play with the band Holland. He's now playing shows in the Chicago area under his real name, which leads me to believe he may have shedded the vinyl pants and sleeveless shirts and gone "normal." I see him around town all the time. One of the most humble, and knowledgable shredders I've met. As of last year, he was still wearing the glam gear and shredding just like you remember, on stage at the Becker Benefit. I hope he's gotten that out of his system, because he has a lot to offer. > > Why? > > Versatility. I'm basically trying to say there's more to being a respectable > guitar player than just shredding. John's already proved he's capable of > changing styles and can still play with great ability. I was just curious about the Billy McLaughlin reference. His playing is actually quite easy (though fantastic, beautiful, and impacting) to pull off. He doesn't reach for the complexity that Hedges did. You know... I still don't understand Hedges... he took simple songs, and made them impossible to play, while making them sound simpler and more natural. I don't understand how you do that to a song. I have learned a bunch of his stuff, and I still just can't comprehend how he came up with his methods. He was just the king. I truly love his music, as much as I love anything in this world. "Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 02:09:39 EST From: Angus53 To: email_address_removed Subject: Curious about MP3s Message-ID: I checked out the MP3 web sight, and downloaded a player. It didn't say anywhere whether or not this stuff costs any money. Maybe I'm computer retarted or something, but how does this work, and where do I find songs to play. If someone could e-mail me privately with some info I would apreciate it. Thanks Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 01:23:47 +0000 From: email_address_removed To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3586 Message-ID: > From: Calvin 6S > musical goals. It was meant to be self-deprecating. It was also meant to > show that you don't have to be a drummer to appreciate drums, a guitarist to > appreciate guitar, etc, etc. That was more towards the comment that another > ytse jammer made stating something like "and you're a drummer. You shouldn't > comment on guitar." That isn't what was said exactly, but that was definitely > what was implied. What was meant was that I don't believe that a drummer can, without having put forth a reasonable effort to try to PLAY the guitar, understand guitar techniques in the same way as someone who has spent the better half of his life doing little more than playing guitar. You don't have to be a musician to appreciate music, or to appreciate a virtuoso, but without significant experience playing an instrument, you can't really qualify technique in the same way that a musician can. If you don't believe this, that's fine, but I absolutely do believe it. I know I can't say with any certainty who is the better sax player, Coltrane or Parker, technically. I can't say who the better drummer is technically, Dennis Chambers or Terry Bozzio... Buddy Rich or Gene Krupa... etc. Why does Emerson sound more complex to me than Rudess? My keyboard friends have told me that the opposite is generally true of those two... As a guitarist, there are certain things you can know about a song, solo, etc, that a non guitarist can't. For instance, you can see the shapes that Yngwie is playing as you hear him play them, where no drummer who doesn't also play guitar can possibly do this (even if the drummer has watched his friend play guitar, or watched Yngwie previously). You can hear the difference between a tapped lick, and a legato lick, by the tones of the strings, which dictate how many notes are being played per string.... you can hear the difference between perfect precise picking (like DiMeola) and slightly off picking (Like most of Yngwie's, though I love a great deal of his work). "Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller Chris Ptacek email_address_removed http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 01:27:49 -0600 (CST) From: Glenn Waterfield To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: AWARD: Jon K. Message-ID: That's got to be the best greeting to a mouthy newbie I've read in a long time. Honestly guys (and gals), this list does have a lot to offer. You just have to wade through the periodic waves of nonsense threads (and I'm not blameless) to get some good content. I've been lurking for years and I've been turned on to some fantastic music because of you guys. BTW, I HIGHLY recommend Lemur Voice's _Insights_. Great prog metal. Cross between WDaDU & I&W. And the list rolls on... Glenn P.S. I've heard people that suck, but Shannon Hoon is the biggest suck to ever suck a suck. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ L. Glenn Waterfield "Call for your physics reading today!" "Live it up, boys. The meter's running." - Harry Caray Argonne National Lab email_address_removed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 18:30:54 +1100 From: graham boyle To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Validity of drummers Message-ID: Calvin 6S wrote: > On a let's get on with it note: > Received LTE in the mail today. It's amazing. II don't agree it is where DT > might have gone after IAW like others have said. I just think it is a great > extension of four very talented musicians that can write and play excellent > music on a whim!!! And before somebody so easily gets offended, no I don't > think my remarks have any bearing on the lives of other people except the fact > they may just decide to buy it if they hear enough good things about it. I don't remember anyone saying that on this list. Anyone expecting an 'I&W' part II orgy is going to be disappointed though from the 4 songs I heard I am very impressed with. It is as you said 4 very talented musicians playing some great progressive music. Maybe DT should dump JLB, JM and DS and replace them with Tony Levin and Jordan Rudess ? Now there's a thought :) graham N.B. This post contains sarcasm, look it up in a dictionary before you reply ! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 01:34:21 -0400 From: "Matt Halloran" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3585 Message-ID: > I am probably going to get "flamed" for this, but Joe Satriani has the worst > drums (usually a drum machine) I have ever heard. My friend asked me to make > a jam along tape to Crushing Day. I was never able to listen to Satriani the > same way again. Yeah, his guitar playing is phenomenal, but he should "sub > out" when it comes to drums. > Have you listened to the Joe Satriani album......Manu Katche, Peter Gabriel's drummer plays on it and it has some good drumming. It was kinda funny in the Home video where Joe is jamming in the studio and recording, Manu was doing some real Cool drumming and it kept screwing Joe up.....once he gets out his Drum Programmitis just imagine how awesome his music will become. Also I agree drums are not the most important part of a song but Good drumming can make a good song great and bad drumming can make a Great song sound like shit. Anyone on this list Buckethead fans? If so he plays on three tracks on a CD by Arcana it is another Bill Laswell Project....along the lines of Praxis (if you haven't heard this check it out on Transmutation Mutatis...something after that can't remember now.....you've got Buckethead playing with Bootsy Collins.......daaaeee Groooveeee.) but anyways Arcana is kinda experimental Jazz...and pretty darn good too. Has anyone checked out Black Light Syndrome.....I knew that Bozzio was Great..and I knew that Levin was Great.....and I Knew that Stevens was good but I didn't realize he was that good "Oh my god you killed Kenny, you Bastard"........Stan(Uhhh South PARk....for those without a good cable hook up) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:46:44 -0800 (PST) From: email_address_removed To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-ID: BAH! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:19:28 +1100 From: Chris Groves To: Ytsejam Subject: The Fastest? Message-ID: Well, dammit, I wanted to stay clear of a "fastest guitarist" thing, but here, I play my trump card: Buckethead. faster than any human. :) Anyone who's heard him may agree? I can't guarantee anyone's heard him? Check out all four of the albums by Praxis (stay away from the '1984' EP, it isn't what it appears to be), or check out any of his solo albums, an album by Giant Robot, either of the Death Cube K albuma, as well as HEAPS of other stuff. He generally works in conjunction with Bill Laswell, so if you're familiar with Laswell, you're prolly already familiar with Buckethead. He's up there as the fastest, without a doubt. I'm not going to say he IS the fastest, with all these people seeming to know without a doubt who's faster (if you sit next to a CD player with a stop watch in your hands, you need to get out more!), but if you want super-fast guitar, check him out. Seeya! Chirs Groves. email_address_removed.au "And you hate me.... because of my lazy eye....." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 03:16:57 EST From: Calvin 6S To: email_address_removed Subject: On a lighter side! Message-ID: I have reveiwed my past posts to the Ytse Jam and discovered that I have broken one of the 10 commandments of the jam. Make sure your messages are bland enough so as not to piss anyone off! I have sinned against you! I was told if I say 1,000 Hail Petruccis I will be forgiven: Well here it goes: bpm = 208 Play with feeling Repeat 1,000 times ||---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------|| ||-o-------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------o-|| ||---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------|| ||---------------------- H a i l ----- P e t r u c c i ---------------------------------------------|| ||---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------|| ||-o-------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------o-|| ||---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------|| Now if I were Yngwie Malmsteen I could have finished that much faster. Have I pissed you off yet? I like it here. I'm not going anywere. So deal with it and I'll deal with your hate mail. Send c/o email_address_removed. Hurry up and do it before I have to pay $2 more and get a new email address! I have also tabbed out many other arrangements like the above if you are interested! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 10:04:43 +0100 From: Matej Grginic To: email_address_removed Subject: Petrucci and Malmsteen Message-ID: `Allo Jammers.. Last couple digests were getting kinda pathetic so I just HAD to post this. I`m wondering how long will it take before people will realise that u CAN NOT judge guitarists and tell this one is better, this one sucks, this one is the best... at least not when we`r talking about guitar gods like Malmsteen, Petrucci, Clapton (do I have to go on?)... It`s all a matter of opinion. They all have their unique styles and they`r all undoubtly extremely good at what they`r doing. It`s either you like their music or you don`t..PERIOD! But you can NOT judge their musicianship and talent. Malmsteen is such an unbelivable guitar player that makes me shiver any time I hear him. U might not like the masterbateolian sound of his solos, but that doesn`t make him a bad guitarist. He also probably plays more notes in one solo than clapton did in all his career, but that still doesn`t give you the right to say who`s better. When I hear Clapton a verse of Sambora`s song crosses my mind: "...and when he bend a note, a tear would fill my eye"...or something like that. Claptons solo`s might sound boring to some people, but only a tone deaf person can call Clapton a bad guitarist. I`m not gonna waste words on Petrucci..he is the god of all guitar gods, but u still can`t say he`s the best guitarist that ever lived. I can`t imagine a thing that Petrucci plays and Vai couldn`t...and the other way around. OK..and now the reason I`m writing this... This is for all of the buttmunches that spat on Malmsteen last couple of days, but are true and dedicated fans of Petrucci. I`ll show you what the man himself said about Malmsteen. In the last Guitar magazine Petrucci listed 10 of the most important albums in his collection. One of them is (GUESS!!!!!!) "Rising Force" by (do I really have to tell you???) Yngwie Malmsteen!!!!!!! and for those that haven`t read the article yet, I`ll retype it for your viewing pleasure. John Petrucci: Rising Force by Yngwie Malmsteen " I was really getting into idea of playing fast and proficient, and here was a guy that sounded like Al Di Meola playing heavy metal. His use of vibrato and phrasing and runs and arpeggios was just amazing. I was in the high school at the time this record came out and I would sit in the back of the class with my headphones on, flipping out over what Yngwie was doing. I couldn`t wait to go home and try to play his parts. This album also encouraged me to go out and learn Bach and Paganini, and study pieces that were both beautiful and technically challenging. It gave me a whole new knowledge of single-note, classical type soloing " `nuff said! ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3587 **************************