YTSEJAM Digest 3583 Today's Topics: 1) A couple of things... by Karri K Kiviluoma 2) Hanson/Barney/Marilyn Manson Death-pit by "Brett Flannigan" 3) Re: YNGWIE by The iban 4) Re: Re: YNGWIE by Tom Cox 5) Re: Keys, Guitarists, a laugh, and ACTUAL DTC! by The iban 6) Who are you? by Jon Kretschmer 7) Our Rob or Ross by Chris Oates 8) Tonighte - GENSEIS IN CONCERT LIVE IN GERMAN RADIO by "holger.hoffmeister" 9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3582 by "Matt Halloran" 10) ACOS by "Woolcock" 11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3579 by rjurado 12) Re: Re: Green Day by Dave 13) Re: YADNEERG digest 3579 by A P Longley 14) re: Talk about overreacting... by yzzy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:33:44 +0200 (EET) From: Karri K Kiviluoma To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: A couple of things... Message-ID: Heyho! I lurk no mo'! Err..yeah. Someone with a name starting with A scribbled: > melodies anyway. Dead Winter Dead was the first album I heard/bought by > Savatage, and what got me hooked. Everyone should definitely have this. > It's a rock-opera - the first one I got to hear. The music, and the > lyrics, everything will just blow you away. Well, I think you're going to be VERY pleased with 'The Wake of Magellan'! I thought that nothing could match DWD, but that disc just blows it away. The melodies are great and the story is great. And there's no weak songs in there like IMO in DWD. > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:46:15 -0500 > From: Chris Calabrese > Ok, 3 things: Dude, you're being played like a horny violing. Other stuff: 1. About YM: Most of you have propably noticed there's room for many kinds of music in this world, why not let the poor man be ,) Anyways he was my stepping stone to melodic metal for which I am eternally grateful. I think I'll have to buy the coming classical work by him to see if he still has it. 2. DT on wednesday! And JP and MP clinics on tuesday (dunno if I can go though =P). 3. New Blind Guardian single out!!! Anyone wanna ship one over here from Germany? =P life sucks back to da lurks... Karri email_address_removed.fi This crap was brought to you by The Evil Internet!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:45:25 PST From: "Brett Flannigan" To: email_address_removed Subject: Hanson/Barney/Marilyn Manson Death-pit Message-ID: >re: Met* >If M* were to play acoustic versions of their new stuff, it would be >country. Period. End of Discussion. Open for debate: And, it would >be some pretty bland, bad country at that. Not that I like good >country, but the new stuff is really boring. Well, there I disagree with you; obviously though I'm one of the few who like the new sound (ah well). Flame me if ya want, just my opinion. Anyway, they would have to throw in a few twangs here and there to make it true country ;). >come on, let's not get hostile, shouldn't we be uniting against the >common enemy?? >no, not the Judian Peoples Front, HANSON! Hell Yeah! I for one think them and Barney should be thrown in a death-pit with Marilyn Manson. Of course we know who would win, but damn it would be fun to watch. I think Pay-per-view would cover that :). BTW, Goddamn the Jam sure is fun to read! Gullible AND pissed-off people all thrown together! Whew, for a few weeks there I thought the Jam had settled down. Hehehe. ->Dagoth ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 05:02:54 EST From: The iban To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YNGWIE Message-ID: < Yngwie probably knows >more about music and theory than any of the FUCKERS that bash him put >together times ten. >> i seriously doubt that >why don't you settle this argument by asking John >Petrucci to play even half of a rippin-ass Malmsteen solo, and I promise >you, he wouldn't come close at all. > ha.. ha ha.... ha ha haha..... BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh please >So Fuck all you opinionated MOTHERFUCKERS. > whats wrong with having an opinion? who raised you? Hitler? >BTW, this is from a drummer that doesn't even play guitar > no shit?!?!?! >I just subscribed to this list two days ago > do us ALL a favor, send an email to email_address_removed, in the subject put "asdf" in the body of the message type "unsubscribe ytsejam" It's been real, Rocky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 04:17:58 -0600 From: Tom Cox To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Re: YNGWIE Message-ID: hey graham,(or any one else who gives a shit) That thing I said about Yngwie Malmsteen wasn't exactly my opinion about him anyway. I have a few of his albums and yes, JP kicks his ass TOTALLY, IMHO, I like Yngwie's solo's, but he can't write a decent rythm guitar line to save his life, his rythm stuff bores me to tears, and his leads do get very repetitive. Sorry if I pissed you off, man, but I was just trying to make the point that all of this putting down crap is not very conducive to a good conversation. Check this out- most everyone, if not everyone on this list, loves DT, but does that mean that someone can't like another band, or another guitar player? Personally, one of my favorite guitarists is Alex Skolnick. He is extremely fluid on the old Testament stuff, which is kind of strange considering that it was written on top of heavy thrash music. JP kicks his ass too, technically, but that doesn't mean Alex Skolnick sucks, or that Yngwie Malmsteen sucks either. Back to the Yngwie stuff, I read an interview in a guitar magazine, the subject was DT. And he said that DT was his favorite band to listen to, the only bad thing he said about DT was that he didn't care for the drummer all that much, which isn't surprising considering almost everything Malmsteen plays is in 4/4 time. Actually, I don't even like Malmsteen that much at all, in fact, I think he's an arrogant prick. I've just gotten the idea that a few people are somewhat narrow-minded, and if I got the wrong opinion, I apologize for that. If you seriously think I'm an asshole(I assure you I'm not) than please feel free to email me privately at email_address_removed I know a lot of people that are into prog-metal, a lot of people that are into death-metal, and a lot of people that like alternative stuff. And I've noticed that some people have become narrow-minded in their opinions of music, or music talent. What I'm trying to say is, let whoever they are, go ahead and like Malmsteen if they choose to, because music has plenty of room for people who enjoy it. And that goes for people who like Green Day as well. It also goes for the homeless guy on the corner playing for money. Music is everything, music is the one hope in a world where almost everything else absolutely drives you insane. I'm apologize if I pissed anybody off. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 05:22:02 EST From: The iban To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Keys, Guitarists, a laugh, and ACTUAL DTC! Message-ID: Keys: hey keyboardists, i just bought a Korg N364, it's a great synth, anyway, it can store settings for sounds, and all kinda other shit on floppies. i was wondering if anyone knew if i could download some settings files off the 'net anywhere, or if anyone wants to trade some with me. Guitarists: hey guitarists, if you live in maryland, can play some good progressive rock (nothing extremely complicated), know music theory (i'm tired of being the only one in the band that does), are open minded, drop me an email. my band needs a good guitarist bad, i used to switch back and forthe from guitar to keys, but now i decided just to stick to keys, even though i'm better on guitar, don't ask me why, i don't know, the world may never know. anyway, we are pretty serious, we only get a chance to all get together about once a week, but we can practice any time. for more info, just drop me a line. a laugh: >Yngwie's stuff sounds to me like pirate music. When I hear >Yngwie I get scurvy. > hahah, man, i don't know why, but that had me rollin for a few mins. ACTUAL DTC!: this is probably in the FAQ, and although i know you're not supposed to ask shit that's in the FAQ, i'm too lazy to look it up, so, here goes.. ok, both times i saw DT this tour, they played the same music before the opening band, and then they played the unreleased DT songs before DT came on. the question is, what were they playing before the opening band? it sounded pretty good, even though the songs seemed to always end with double bass, riding on the cymbals, the quarter note snare, and the guitar just wailing. anyway, i just wanted to know so i could check it out, if they actually carry it at a record store near me. Rocky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 02:50:25 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer To: email_address_removed Subject: Who are you? Message-ID: >From: Tom Cox >I just subscribed to this list two days ago, and since have seen more >bashing of Yngwie than I would care to. I thought this was a list of >people with intelligence, but alas, I guess I was mistaken. Perhaps if you dont judge the list after two days you will see a different jam. Youre new at this, so we can forgive your ignorance, but threads like this arise all the time, people voice their opinions, and then they die out to be replaced by new ones. You havent seen that yet. Some of us that have been around for years see people like you come and go, and your kind's absence doesnt matter to us, so if you dont like it here, leave. If you like DT and related bands and musicians, stick around, youll be surprised at what turns up onthe jam. >Yngwie probably knows >more about music and theory than any of the FUCKERS that bash him put >together times ten. Cool your jets man, there are some pretty musically literate people on the jam. You havent been here long enough, so you wouldnt know. >So Fuck all you opinionated MOTHERFUCKERS. I have opinions, so I am opinionated. Deal with it. >Half of you don't deserve to be DT fans in the first place. You havent even seen a 20th of the jammers that exist, so chill until you hear from them, then you decide whether they deserve to be DT fans. Youre just a freshman loudmouth, and we all know where those end up, head first in a garbage can. So stop typing and start reading, youll be surprised at what youll learn. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 03:22:53 -0800 From: Chris Oates To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" Subject: Our Rob or Ross Message-ID: Actually, Bafu, fans of Red Dwarf (at least those who have seen season seven) should know what an Uroboros is ... ~Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:51:35 +0100 From: "holger.hoffmeister" To: Cc: Subject: Tonighte - GENSEIS IN CONCERT LIVE IN GERMAN RADIO Message-ID: HI everybody, just wanted to tell you, that the german radiostation NDRII is broadcasting a full-lenght Live Concert. Hopefully from this Tour. Time 20.00 - 22.30 o'clock CET So, before you ask... You can recieve it in Europe and in north Africa via the ASTRA Satelite: Frequenzy: 11.582 GHz (Normally you have to use 1832 as frequency in you Reciever) Sound carrier: 7.38/ 7.56 (stereo) Polarisation: horizontal, Satelite Position: 19.2° East Back to business... yours, H. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 06:13:15 -0400 From: "Matt Halloran" To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3582 Message-ID: > > > In a message dated 98-02-28 00:43:37 EST, you write: > > << Clapton's "24 nights >> > > Funny, I just said to someone yesterday "Yngwie could play circles around > Clapton." Yngwie can do what Clapton does, and more. but, to each his own. . > . > > Art actually Yngwie cannot play what clapton does.....sure he could play it technically but it would be soulles as that is not Yngwie's thing. Just listed to any of Yngwie's 'blues' solos to understand. Bear in mind that Yngwie is one of my favorite guitarists and I can't wait for the Concerto to come out in the states........Plus 24 nights is incredibe......oh Clapton could probably pull of a few Malmsteen runs as well. To keep on the Yngwie tip for a bit in some of yngwies latest interviews(last couple years) He seems to have mellowed out quite a bit.....sure he used to be arrogant but what truly talented individual has not dealt with arrogance......Heck in a recent interview he even had something nice to say about Hanson ( he said they could sing in tune so there must be something there,,,,he went on to bash the Spice girls saying that they couldn't even sing in tune)....so you see Yngwie is a changed man....at least to the media........also i thought Inspiration was by far the best album he has released in the last few years......sadly Yngelbert does not seem to have quite the song writing chops as playing chops. I found his playing on 'in the dead of night' by UK to be incredible. I was wondering if there are any other Bjork fans on this list....I know it might be a stretch but some of her melodies are just awe inspiring. One last thing does anyone here realize that Alex Skonlick has a band called Skol-Patrol out and that they have an e.p. for sale through the mail?....I am sending for one pretty soon....kick ass.... I guess that's all. for now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:11:26 +1030 From: "Woolcock" To: "YtseJam Mailing List" Subject: ACOS Message-ID: Hi jammers, In the inlay for ACOS, it says something about "thanks to the YtseJammers for making this possible". What's that all about? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Shane Woolcock - email_address_removed.au WWW - http://rampage.ml.org/sector1/~samah/ "Still awake, I continue to move along, Cultivating my own nonsense" - DT ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:04:24 -0800 From: rjurado To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3579 Message-ID: email_address_removed wrote: > Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:54:15 EST > From: Calvin 6S > To: email_address_removed > Subject: Amplifier Opinions > Message-ID: > > Mesa Engineering Triaxis:=A1@ Almost got this one, but I think the > Rectifier > sounds better.=A1@ The Rectifier circuitry on this is good, but it isn'= t > quite a > Rectifier.=A1@ Besides, it's the Orange channel, not the Red.=A1@ What = I > do like is > the clean tones on this, and the live possibilities with it. > > Marshall JMP-1:=A1@ I didn't think I liked Marshalls, but when I was at > the NAMM > show recently, I plugged into one of these and I was getting an > incredible > tone.=A1@ My mind quickly thought "Everybody is a Marshall man (or > woman) or a > Mesa man. It's like Ford and Chevy.=A1@ One inevitably hates the other. > =A1@ But if I > were to mix the two for a whole new tone.=A1@ The killer midrange of th= e > Marshall > with the incredible bottom end of the Rectifier.=A1@ Damn.=A1@ Where's = my > checkbook?" > > I am also interested in these two amps for direct recording.=A1@ I get > these huge > tones out of the Rectifier, but when I stick a mic in front of it, all > that > bottom end goes bye-bye.=A1@ Plus it is too loud to record at 3:30 am > when I get > a great song idea.=A1@ So tell me about the following: =A1@=A1@=A1@ Well, first of all, the JMP-1.=A1@ I thought I was exclusive= ly a MESA/Boogie man.=A1@ I figured I'd check out some pre-amps from other companies, though, for direct recording type stuff.=A1@ I thought the ADA was okay, especially, because it was so much cheaper than the JMP-1 and, of course, the TriAxis.=A1@ However, the JMP-1 seemed to me to be the best buy with a price in between the TriAxis and the ADA.=A1@ Of course, it sounded much better than the ADA. =A1@=A1@=A1@ But if I had all the money in the world, I would have gotten= the TriAxis. I, as you can imagine, don't have all the money in the world so I own none of these. :(=A1@ I was just in the music stores fantasizing.=A1@ My guita= r teacher had a TriAxis through which I did some direct recording.=A1@ Direct recording was the precise reason he traded his MarkIII combo for the TriAxis.=A1@ I thought it sounded killer for the nice shimmering clean sounds and the distortion sounds.=A1= @ Just a little bit of effects on top really made a nice demo sound.=A1@ I think it was a= n Alesis MidiVerbIII, or something.=A1@ It also might have been a Lexicon (I don't remember if he owned the Lexicon at the time of that recording.=A1@ We definitely used it on some later stuff, though.). =A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1= @=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@ =A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1= @=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@ =A1@=A1@=A1@ -Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 05:04:51 -0500 From: Dave To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: Re: Green Day Message-ID: > Have you been smokin' crack? Are you nuts? As a musician I almost > never use this term...THEY SUCK! They're pathetic. They're a bunch of > loser teenagers who got together one day, learned a few power chords and > > went out and became a band. They are the epitome of shitty American > music. It's talentless, unoriginal bands, like Green Day that get > together and "flush your mind right down the drain..." Great chord > progressions? gimme a break. Big deal if they can play a bunch of > power chords in different orders. They're the easiest songs in the > world to play on top of that. Any kid can pick up a guitar for the > first time and learn any Green Day song in a week. It's boring, > repetative crap. You want some great song writing? Get some Jethro > Tull or some Kansas. WOOOOOHHOOOOOO !!! Tell it like it REALLY IS !! I fuckin' hear ya' man !!!! A good 90% of the BULLSHIT that plays on my local radio stations is about like EmPtVy....mindless musical repetitive noise with a couple of words that you know are gonna come back around in a few seconds. Hum the crap you don't know etc..... Yadda Yadda Yadda..just go listen to Rush "Spirit of the Radio" (and you lamers that know that song well, read along and think!) ;) Zildjian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:17:34 +0000 From: A P Longley To: email_address_removed Subject: Re: YADNEERG digest 3579 Message-ID: Chris dribbled... > > come on, you can't put down Green Day, they are some of the best song > writers > > out there, just the chord progressions that they come up with amaze > me, very > > very original, i doubt anyone from the ytsejam could even begin to > write some > > What? Are you really that stupid? Is someone joking around here or is > this guy for real? Joking? You think so? NOOOOO!? What are you suggesting? Someone using SARCASM...on the jam?! He was dead serious, in fact I've heard talk of this list changing its name to the YADNEERG just because we love them sooooo much. Anyway, I think the point he was trying to make was that the attitude he was sending up, is the way alot of people on this list talk about the music we like as though we are the only ones with a valid opinion and your response bears that out to a tee: Hey, fuck ytsecon, let's have a ytsecru. - a crusade! - YEAH, let's visit the homes of evil Green Day fans in the dead of night and rape their wives, and kill them in their sleep in the name of the righteous prog God. - The Prog Warrior. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:24:17 -0600 From: yzzy To: email_address_removed Subject: re: Talk about overreacting... Message-ID: >Mail? Chris Calabrese > 706 East Tower > Ithaca College > 953 Danby Rd. > Ithaca, NY 14850 hmmm.... i've been wondering what to do with all of these contest entry forms that i get in the mail ;-) yzzy "A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction into a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." - Calvin discovers Usenet ------------------------------ End of YTSEJAM Digest 3583 **************************